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A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« on: February 11, 2007, 06:03:39 PM »
Okay mob, it's becoming more and more evident we don't have a reliable Moderator to offset the views of Beserker and Ozmo around here.  Therefore, after having both of these two throw their hats into the ring, I nominate the following Getbiggers to replace Delusional Liberal:

- Mr. Intenseone
- Cap86

Please feel free to review the posts of both of these candidates to evaluate their viability - I will then bring this thread to Ron's attention so that he may make an informed opinion.  I would like to clarify that I in no way feel it is my prerogative to decide who represents this half of the board.  I will give my opinion just as all of you will.

State your case, guys.
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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2007, 06:04:56 PM »
moderating has nothing to do with views ... nobody needs to, or is going to be replaced

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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2007, 06:08:17 PM »
moderating has nothing to do with views ... nobody needs to, or is going to be replaced

If only it were your choice.  But it isn't, so speculate away guys.
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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2007, 06:10:47 PM »
Are you claiming Bruce, that you're being discriminated against by moderators?

Neither Berserker nor Ozmo are going to post any more or less, or change the content of their threads, regardless of who's moderating, so what difference does it make?

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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2007, 06:13:23 PM »
Well personally I think it would be fine either way between Joe and I.

I think we both represent the Right well and are regular posters here and elsewhere, especially on the topics concerning the left/right.

Although I know I will hear flack from Jaguar and Rob, I would not be biased and delete things that I do not believe in like other mods (none here) have been known to do. 

If any have questions about anything else feel free to ask me here or PM me.
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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2007, 06:43:04 PM »
Are you claiming Bruce, that you're being discriminated against by moderators?

Neither Berserker nor Ozmo are going to post any more or less, or change the content of their threads, regardless of who's moderating, so what difference does it make?

Discriminated against?  Maybe - not that I mind having a heated debate against guys like Beserker, I quite enjoy it.

I think we need more balance in the Moderation here, do you not think that is a reasonable request, Deedee?

Thanks to whoever made this thread a sticky, I think we need some good debate on this.
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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2007, 06:52:26 PM »
Discriminated against?  Maybe - not that I mind having a heated debate against guys like Beserker, I quite enjoy it.

I think we need more balance in the Moderation here, do you not think that is a reasonable request, Deedee?

Thanks to whoever made this thread a sticky, I think we need some good debate on this.
but if people are happy with delusion, my vote is that he stays, I would like to see him in the forum more, but... If  someone new becomes mod, there will be a few agreements to go over dealing with merging threads and general stuff so that mods aren't at war with eachother.  It's worked like a charm so far so if there is a change, don't think it's going to come with world dominance power ;D  I am not for any moderation that hinders free thought in this forum.  Any canditate that doesn't want allow for heated debates does not have my vote.  Again, this forum wan't broke, it doesn't need fixed.  I fine tuned the rules as there was an issue with calling people out, but that's minor shit.

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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2007, 06:54:17 PM »
Well personally I think it would be fine either way between Joe and I.

I think we both represent the Right well and are regular posters here and elsewhere, especially on the topics concerning the left/right.

Although I know I will hear flack from Jaguar and Rob, I would not be biased and delete things that I do not believe in like other mods (none here) have been known to do. 

If any have questions about anything else feel free to ask me here or PM me.

Cap, what are your views on the following:

- Socialist states (eg. Cuba, Venezuela)
- Global Warming
- Iraq

Also, what religion, if any, do you follow?
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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2007, 06:56:18 PM »
but if people are happy with delusion, my vote is that he stays, I would like to see him in the forum more, but... If  someone new becomes mod, there will be a few agreements to go over dealing with merging threads and general stuff so that mods aren't at war with eachother.  It's worked like a charm so far so if there is a change, don't think it's going to come with world dominance power ;D  I am not for any moderation that hinders free thought in this forum.  Any canditate that doesn't want allow for heated debates does not have my vote.  Again, this forum wan't broke, it doesn't need fixed.  I fine tuned the rules as there was an issue with calling people out, but that's minor shit.

I agree, and I don't think the board is broken - just a little out of balance.  Haidar accused Delusional Liberal of racism before, and he's not even here to defend himself.  Why not?
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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2007, 07:04:12 PM »
Discriminated against?  Maybe - not that I mind having a heated debate against guys like Beserker, I quite enjoy it.

I think we need more balance in the Moderation here, do you not think that is a reasonable request, Deedee?

Thanks to whoever made this thread a sticky, I think we need some good debate on this.

I'm not entirely sure that I find this the right way to go about asking for mod replacement. But leaving that aside, why do you feel discriminated against? Do you feel your threads or posts are threatened with deletion or tampering in some way? Does Berserker cow you in some way, or discourage you from posting? Do you think that by adding a conservative mod, you'll have more power or back-up for your views? (Not asking that in any kind of sarcastic way). If so, shouldn't you revisit your motives for asking for this mod replacement, since basically this is a forum for individuals to state their views, not form squadlike teams in order to bash or overwhelm the other side. Your posts should stand or fall on their own merit. The same people post here, day in, day out, regardless of who's modding, so adding a right wing mod will do nothing to change the content of this board, and wouldn't skew the number of conservative versus liberal posters in favor of any one side. The function of a mod is to see that the rules of a board are adhered to, nothing more, nothing less.

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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2007, 07:06:58 PM »
I'm not entirely sure that I find this the right way to go about asking for mod replacement. But leaving that aside, why do you feel discriminated against? Do you feel your threads or posts are threatened with deletion or tampering in some way? Does Berserker cow you in some way, or discourage you from posting? Do you think that by adding a conservative mod, you'll have more power or back-up for your views? (Not asking that in any kind of sarcastic way). If so, shouldn't you revisit your motives for asking for this mod replacement, since basically this is a forum for individuals to state their views, not form squadlike teams in order to bash or overwhelm the other side. Your posts should stand or fall on their own merit. The same people post here, day in, day out, regardless of who's modding, so adding a right wing mod will do nothing to change the content of this board, and wouldn't skew the number of conservative versus liberal posters in favor of any one side. The function of a mod is to see that the rules of a board are adhered to, nothing more, nothing less.

Has a Mod started a thread about anyone else's 'identity crisis' recently?  With a diametrically opposed Mod, maybe this will result in my views being represented also (maybe not).
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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2007, 07:07:19 PM »
I agree, and I don't think the board is broken - just a little out of balance.  Haidar accused Delusional Liberal of racism before, and he's not even here to defend himself.  Why not?
You should probably come clean about holding my modding over my head on bouts between us.  Just because that is a point that you have held by doing this that there is a problem with the moderation of this board.  I want the mods to feel like they can participate along with everyone and there's no reason they shouldn't be able to.  As long as a mod isn't being unfair with is abilities, there should be no issue.  If DL or any other righty mod wants to get jiggy with it, I say have at it ;D  It needs to stay that way and I hope it's the last I've seen being called on that unless I'm abusing privileges.

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2007, 07:10:09 PM »
Has a Mod started a thread about anyone else's 'identity crisis' recently?  With a diametrically opposed Mod, maybe this will result in my views being represented also (maybe not).
see there's the problem I'm talking about... You are finding it broken... There was a political point to calling you out and yes, I do call out others routinely which is not a special power, anyone can do it and anyone who feels they have an issues that is political in nature and they want to challenge debate on that issue with that person should be able to do so, mod or anyone else... Do you see where I'm coming from Bruce?

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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2007, 07:10:30 PM »
Cap, what are your views on the following:

- Socialist states (eg. Cuba, Venezuela)
- Global Warming
- Iraq

Also, what religion, if any, do you follow?


Socialist states are more of a threat than we also a general populace give them credit.  Cuba is pretty docile as Castro dies but I honestly think that leaving him in power has actually prevented worse things from happening.  That being said, had we done something very early about him the people in Cuba would have been better off.  It will be interesting to see how things turn out when he croaks.  Chavez on the other hand is terrible for us and for his own country.  If you still believe in Manifest Destiny then this dude needs to go.  We need the CIA to organize a resistence against him.  A President (and please save your Bush comments) should not be an outright dictator and oppress his people.  Additionally, I think him having oil and us needing it puts him in a good position to mess with us and we would have to proceed in an intelligent manner to avoid another all out war.  A smarter "Bay of Pigs" would work if executed correctly.

Global warming, based off information I have seen and been taught tells me we are half the problem.  I had a recent class with a professor that said this is a cycle that the Earth goes through.  I believe that to be true because of extreme heats and colds that happen all the time.  Everything is cyclical.  Sure we have different technology that exacerbates the problem but we still do sustain.  It's been pretty cool this winter for me so I'm not sure about how the summer will be.  I've experienced highs and lows all the time so I would imagine the Earth can manage.  Blaming the oil companies does not take away the responsibility of the consumer.  If everybody cared as much about global warming as they say they do, we'd all ride busses and bikes but we don't.  My prof said that there have been times in history where this has happened before, without the aid of fossil fuels burning.

Iraq is always a fun topic.  I think we need to secure our interests and finish the mission.  It is heading towards a Vietnam execution and that is bad.  Securing oil.  Fine.  Setting up a regime of democracy or close to it is good for the people.  They have been under a dictatorship so long they don't know how to function in a system like ours.  Give it time.  Six years isn't enough time.  As far as strategy, less conventional forces.  Better trained conventional forces.  More Spec OPs and Mercs.  Mercs cost money but training and sending troops overseas is more costly in the long run.  Replacing dead soldiers costs money.  Mercs don't care about dying and won't cause as much of a public outrage, the same for Spec Ops.  Nobody hears of their deaths.  Replace Marines with Rangers or SEALs to execute the missions, prefereably Rangers.  Rangers are the best for for going in and blowing up everything and killing everyone in their path.  SF and Delta are the best for gathering intel with little loss of life on either side.  The right people get killed.  they need to focus on getting more of these guys into action.  I'll say it again, 18 year old Marines are causing problems and aren't trained for an unconventional mission.

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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2007, 07:10:36 PM »
You should probably come clean about holding my modding over my head on bouts between us.  Just because that is a point that you have held by doing this that there is a problem with the moderation of this board.  I want the mods to feel like they can participate along with everyone and there's no reason they shouldn't be able to.  As long as a mod isn't being unfair with is abilities, there should be no issue.  If DL or any other righty mod wants to get jiggy with it, I say have at it ;D  It needs to stay that way and I hope it's the last I've seen being called on that unless I'm abusing privileges.

I still feel I was justified to say that, Beserker, but I want to make it clear I'm not trying to have you replaced.  All I want is something like an anti-Berserker to balance things out here (so long as we're stuck with you  ;)).
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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2007, 07:11:52 PM »
see there's the problem I'm talking about... You are finding it broken... There was a political point to calling you out and yes, I do call out others routinely which is not a special power, anyone can do it and anyone who feels they have an issues that is political in nature and they want to challenge debate on that issue with that person should be able to do so, mod or anyone else... Do you see where I'm coming from Bruce?

No, yours was a personal attack.  It's not that I can't take having abuse and insults hurled at me, it's that there's no balance.
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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2007, 07:19:14 PM »
I still feel I was justified to say that, Beserker, but I want to make it clear I'm not trying to have you replaced.  All I want is something like an anti-Berserker to balance things out here (so long as we're stuck with you  ;)).
You know, that's really uncool of you... Ask cap, I have rightwing guys come to me and I bust my ass to be fair as hell even though I'm the left mod.  You might consider this before painting me a villain... and you are absolutely wrong, if there is a political point to calling someone out, it had better not get deleted by any mod.  You claimed to be unbias and not of the right, I called you out on that... I have a valid poing calling you out.  any person or any mod can do so, to demand otherwise is to hinder free thought in this forum and I am against that... why do you think I approve of your blog...

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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2007, 07:24:45 PM »
Has a Mod started a thread about anyone else's 'identity crisis' recently?  With a diametrically opposed Mod, maybe this will result in my views being represented also (maybe not).

No Bruce, it would not be a diametrically opposed Mod's function or job to take your side in any kind of political debate. If that were the case, the board would become a meltdown mess in no time at all. It's up to you as an individual poster to either debate back, or complain. Berserker will state his views, and start whatever threads he wishes, whether he mods or not.  He does not post or start threads as a function of "modship" and whatever issue he might have with your views are his as a contributor to the board, not this official (lol) function. Each one of us is basically a lone gun here.

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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2007, 07:24:55 PM »
You know, that's really uncool of you... Ask cap, I have rightwing guys come to me and I bust my ass to be fair as hell even though I'm the left mod.  You might consider this before painting me a villain... and you are absolutely wrong, if there is a political point to calling someone out, it had better not get deleted by any mod.  You claimed to be unbias and not of the right, I called you out on that... I have a valid poing calling you out.  any person or any mod can do so, to demand otherwise is to hinder free thought in this forum and I am against that... why do you think I approve of your blog...

Easy there, I was being facetious with that comment.  You didn't have a point calling me 'Right-Wing', you were wrong, and I told you so.  You also have no business commenting on anyone's 'identity crisis' (or lack thereof).  That's a personal attack rather than a statement made against my opinion.

Regardless of this, I think that thread hurt you more than me.
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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2007, 07:25:50 PM »
No Bruce, it would not be a diametrically opposed Mod's function or job to take your side in any kind of political debate. If that were the case, the board would become a meltdown mess in no time at all. It's up to you as an individual poster to either debate back, or complain. Berserker will state his views, and start whatever threads he wishes, whether he mods or not.  He does not post or start threads as a function of "modship" and whatever issue he might have with your views are his as a contributor to the board, not this official (lol) function. Each one of us is basically a lone gun here.

Saying someone has an 'identity crisis' isn't a 'political debate', can you see that?
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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2007, 07:27:36 PM »
No Bruce, it would not be a diametrically opposed Mod's function or job to take your side in any kind of political debate. If that were the case, the board would become a meltdown mess in no time at all. It's up to you as an individual poster to either debate back, or complain. Berserker will state his views, and start whatever threads he wishes, whether he mods or not.  He does not post or start threads as a function of "modship" and whatever issue he might have with your views are his as a contributor to the board, not this official (lol) function. Each one of us is basically a lone gun here.
thank you deedee, I couldn't have said it better...  I did also invite DL to this debate so we're not all doing this behind his back. That would be terrible..

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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2007, 07:31:06 PM »
On calling someone out: There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling someone out by creating a thread to hash out a specific political point with that person.  This is really perfect when you've noted a serious discrepancy in your opponent and want to make a specific debate from it.  Stay away from calling someone out for insult purposes only, have a valid political point that you indend on debating if you call someone out.  If there is no point, the thread may be deleted at the leasure of the mods or by request.

Okay - now guess who wrote this?
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2007, 07:32:44 PM »
Saying someone has an 'identity crisis' isn't a 'political debate', can you see that?

No absolutely not, I called you out because of what I saw as a POLITICAL identity crisis...   you said you were not bias and not of the right, I found what I believed to be otherwise in the majority of your posts, I called you out on it...  There is NOTHING wrong with that and if you believe there is you want more moderation for this forum than the majority wants... We sought this forum and fought for this forum to have this very kind of freedom, you're not going to change that while I'm here...  The spirit of why this forum was created will not die soon... Take it or leave it...  If you're sure of yourself, you should have no problems defending political callouts...

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2007, 07:35:47 PM »
No absolutely not, I called you out because of what I saw as a POLITICAL identity crisis...   you said you were not bias and not of the right, I found what I believed to be otherwise in the majority of your posts, I called you out on it...  There is NOTHING wrong with that and if you believe there is you want more moderation for this forum than the majority wants... We sought this forum and fought for this forum to have this very kind of freedom, you're not going to change that while I'm here...  The spirit of why this forum was created will not die soon... Take it or leave it...  If you're sure of yourself, you should have no problems defending political callouts...

He came to this forum claiming no bias, I quote "I in fact am an Agnostic, and by definition cannot therefore be of the right." Yet he seems to have landed hardcore rightwing on issue after issue after issue... Wuzup boyeeeee?!?!

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You decide, guys - is this calling me out for a legitimate political reason, or not?
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Re: A New Moderator? Should We Replace 'Delusional Liberal'?
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2007, 07:35:59 PM »
On calling someone out: There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling someone out by creating a thread to hash out a specific political point with that person.  This is really perfect when you've noted a serious discrepancy in your opponent and want to make a specific debate from it.  Stay away from calling someone out for insult purposes only, have a valid political point that you indend on debating if you call someone out.  If there is no point, the thread may be deleted at the leasure of the mods or by request.

Okay - now guess who wrote this?
Did i have a valid reason for calling you out??? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did I call you out for "insult purposes only" obviously if I had a political motive that was clear, and it was there was more than insult to my post ;)  those are the rules, take them or leave them, it's a fair balance that I created so as not to hinder free thought in the forum.