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Why people who believe in God 'are more likely to have a lower IQ'
By DAVID DERBYSHIRE

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1029149/Why-people-believe-God-likely-lower-IQ.html#ixzz145FplpLo

President George Bush: Not known for being the smartest politician, he is deeply religious
Stupid people are more likely than eggheads to believe in God, a controversial new study claims.
In a move that is bound to offend millions of churchgoers, a British psychologist says he has found a link between having a high IQ and being an atheist.The discovery helps explain why university academics are less likely to be religious than almost anyone else, he says.Church leaders dismissed the study as absurd and simplistic. They pointed out that many of the greatest brains in history believed in God.The study came from Prof Richard Lynn - a retired academic at the University of Ulster who has courted controversy in the past with studies looking at sex, race and intelligence.His latest work, published today in the scientific journal Intelligence, compared religious belief and average national IQs in 137 countries. Information about faith was based on surveys carried out in 2004.Prof Lynn found that in only 17 per cent of countries did the proportion of people who believe in God fall below 80 per cent.'These are virtually all the higher IQ countries,' he said.Controversial: Prof Richard Lynn's study has infuriated the church community When he broke down the statistics, he found a strong link between intelligence and faith. Countrieswith a lower national IQ tended to have the most believers.One of the few exceptions was America - a high IQ country where only 10 per cent of people don't believe in God. In Britain - another high IQ country - the figure is around 40 per cent, he said.'One factor that could provide a possible explanation for this is that many Americans are Catholics and the percentage of believers in Catholic countries in Europe is generally much higher than in Protestant countries,' he said.'A further possible factor might be that that the number of emigrants from Europe went to the United States because of their strong religious beliefs - so it may be that these beliefs have been transmitted as a cultural and even genetic ally to subsequent generations.'Prof Lynn said a survey of fellows of the Royal Society - Britain's science academy - found that only 3.3 per cent believed in God at a time when nearly 70 per cent of Britons described themselves as having a faith.Prof Lynn said most primary school children believde in God - but that they lose their faith as they get older and begin to question the world.
But Prof Gordon Lynch of Birkbeck College, London, said the study had failed to take into account complicated economic, historical and social factors that explained different IQ and 'faith' levels in countries.'Linking religious belief and intelligence in this way could reflect a dangerous trend, developing a simplistic characterisation of religion as primitive,' he said.Ben Wilson a spokesman for the Church of England said: 'The idea that believers are not intelligent is absurd. 'Some of the greatest thinkers through history have been people of faith. You don't have to leave your brain in the church porch.'


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Re: Study reveals:believers in God 'are more likely to have a lower IQ'
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2010, 06:33:57 PM »

1.2. Non-Religious People Can Become Better Scientists
Richard Dawkins (2006) summarizes on the religious beliefs of Nobel-Prize winners, the members of the top scientific organizations in the USA and the UK, and finds that only a small percent believe in a personal God, even in countries where god-belief is extensive. Because those who do not subscribe easily to dogmatic lines of thought are naturally more inquisitive, they are the ones more likely to discover new facts about the world. This is perhaps why most scientists are atheists. A large survey confirmed that becoming a scientist does not leads to a loss of religious conviction2; but, those who are free from it are simply more likely to want to study the world objectively, and therefore to become good scientists. The less religious they are, the better they become at science.
“The only website I could find that claimed to list 'Nobel Prize-winning Christians' came up with six, out of a total of several hundred scientific Nobelists. Of these six, it turned out that four were not Nobel Prize-winners at all; and at least one, to my certain knowledge, is a non-believer who attends church for purely social reasons. A more systematic study by Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi 'found that among Nobel Prize laureates in the sciences, as well as those in literature, there was a remarkable degree of irreligiosity, as compared to the populations they came from.'52
A study in the leading journal Nature by Larson and Witham in 1998 showed that of those American scientists considered eminent enough by their peers to have been elected to the National Academy of Sciences (equivalent to being a fellow of the Royal Society in Britain) only about 7 per cent believe in a personal God53. This overwhelming preponderance of atheists is almost the exact opposite of the profile of the American population at large, of whom more than 90 per cent are believers in some sort of super-natural being. [...] It is completely as I would expect that American scientists are less religious than the American public generally, and that the most distinguished scientists are the least religious of all. [...]
The overwhelming majority of [fellows of the Royal Society], like the overwhelming majority of US Academicians, are atheists. Only 3.3 per cent of the Fellows agreed strongly with the statement that a personal god exists [...] while 78.8 per cent strongly disagreed [...]. There were a massive 213 unbelievers and a mere 12 believers.”
"The God Delusion" by Prof. Richard Dawkins (2006)3
References 52 and 53 are duplicated at the bottom of this page.
Studies have found that a general "connectedness with god" is associated with lower levels of education4. Prof. Kyung reports the findings of many studies into religion and intelligence, and the chart on the left is my reproduction of the first chart on one of his pages, taken from data in a Scientific American article (1999)5. Many of these studies are probably mentioned below by Dawkins. 39 studies since 1927 have found that the more educated a person is, and the higher one's intelligence, the less likely someone is to hold religious beliefs. It shows that those with a degree in science are less than half as likely to believe in God as the general populace, and eminent scientists are nine times less likely.
2. Religion and General Intelligence
2.1. The More Religious the Parents, the Less Intelligent the Children
There is a reason why god-believing adults rarely become scientists, and almost never become top scientists. Not only does theology and dogmatic religious assertions interfere with correct scientific thought, but, children of religious parents have on average, lower intelligence. This common-sense finding is not a one-off statistic, but part of an entire trend. The stricter the religious beliefs of the parent, the less the average intelligence of the child.
“Sociologist Zena Blau of the University of Houston recently conducted a study of more than a thousand children in Chicago. [...] In 1981 Blau reported that IQs were lowest among children whose mothers have overly strict religious beliefs. Children whose mothers were from a non-denominational or non-religious background had the highest average IQs - 110 for whites, 109 for blacks. Children whose mothers belonged to "fundamentalist" religious groups tended to have IQs that were 7 to 10 points lower. According to Blau, these religion-IQ differences hold even when you take into account the mother's social class, current occupational status, and education.”
"Understanding Human Behavior" by James V. McConnel (1986)6
It is easy to see how a cycle may emerge: If some people are prompted to adopt some religious beliefs, their children will have less IQ. They will therefore be more likely to take up religious beliefs more strictly. If they do so, their children will have even less average intelligence, and perhaps adopt even stricter religious behaviours. A cycle. This cycle would be most readily shaken by education imposed from without, on a national scale. Public education is a good defence against communities cycling into la-la land. Also, sometimes such as during the enlightenment, a general changing in culture can break the hold of specific forms of religious inhibition, and break the cycle. In the West, a gradual counter-cycle of individualism ended the dark ages and allowed the West's cultural ascent.
2.2. Religious People Have Lower IQ
It is apparent that there is a cycle. Religiosity, and belief in God, causes parents to have children with lower IQs. These children go on to be less interested in science, and hardly ever become top scientists. If this is true, then it must also be true that religious people in general, during their adult lives, remain less intelligent and less educated than those around them. Research has already shown that this is true.
“Several research studies have been published on the statistical relationship between religiosity and educational level, or religiosity and IQ. Michael Shermer, in How We Believe: The Search for God in an Age of Science, describes a large survey of randomly chosen Americans that he and his colleague Frank Sulloway carried out. [...] Religiosity is indeed negatively correlated with education (more highly educated people are less likely to be religious). Religiosity is also negatively correlated with interest in science. [...]
[Paul Bell in Mensa Magazine, 2002, reviewed all studies taken of religion and IQ. He concluded:]
"Of 43 studies carried out since 1927 on the relationship between religious belief and one's intelligence and/or educational level, all but four found an inverse connection. That is, the higher one's intelligence or education level, the less one is likely to be religious or hold "beliefs" of any kind."”
"The God Delusion" by Prof. Richard Dawkins (2006)7
2.3. Religious Countries Have a Lower Average IQ
All the studies so far have concentrated on individual measurements of IQ, and how they correlate with religiosity. In the West, this largely correlates with Christian religiosity. Because most of these studies are performed in the West, it is possible that secularism and atheism is correlated with higher intelligence simply because Christianity has a particularly negative effect on intelligence. To explore this further, we need to see if these trends exist in various cultures, where the background religion is no Christianity. Such studies have already been done, and have shown that across the globe, the more religious the people are, the less their average intelligence. It seems that the effects of belief on the Human search for truth are universal, and not religion-specific.
A study of data for belief in God and intelligence across 137 countries was undertaken by Lynn, Harvey & Nyborg (2009)8, with the latest comprehensive sets of data available, which were mostly from 2004. The data shows conclusively that countries with a higher average IQ have less belief in God - they state that "in only 17% of the countries (23 out of 137) does the proportion of the population who disbelieve in God rise above 20%. These are virtually all the higher IQ countries". Sociologists have found that in general, as a country gets more intelligence, the rate of belief in God begins to drop.
3. Conclusions
The historical battles between religious institutions and science, such as those in physics, astronomy and biology, indicate there is something wrong with the religious approach to the study of reality. The underlying problem extends to negative effects on the individual intelligence of believers, and a related negative effect on educational achievements. Hardly any of the several-hundred Nobel Prize winning scientists have been Christians. Only 3.3% of the Members of the Royal Society in the UK and 7% the National Academy of Sciences in the USA, believe in a personal God. The more senior and learnéd the scientist, the less likely they are to believe in God. Countries with a higher rate of belief in God have lower average intelligence; all countries with high average intelligence have low national levels of belief in God. The children of highly religious parents suffer diminished IQs - averaging 7 to 10 points lower compared to their non-religious counterparts in similar socio-economic groups. As you would expect from these results, multiple studies have also shown that IQ is opposed to the strength of religious belief. 39 studies since 1927 (out of 43) have found that the more educated a person is, and the higher one's intelligence, the less likely someone is to hold religious beliefs.

By Vexen Crabtree 2007 Jan 01
Links:
•"Science: Its Character and History" by Vexen Crabtree (2006)
•"Human Stupidity Knows No Bounds" by Vexen Crabtree

Crabtree, Vexen
"Science: Its Character and History" (2006). Accessed 2010 Apr 03.
"Christianity v. Astronomy: The Earth Orbits the Sun!" (2006). Accessed 2010 Apr 03.
Dawkins, Prof. Richard
"The God Delusion" (2006 hardback). Published by Bantam Press, Transworld Publishers, Uxbridge Road, London, UK.
52: Beit-Hallahmi, Benjamin & Argyle, M. (1997). The Psychology of Religious Behaviour, Belief and Experience. London: Routledge.
53: E. J. Larson and L. Witham, 'Leading scientists still reject God', Nature 394, 1998, 313.
McConnel, James V.
"Understanding Human Behavior" (1986 hardback 5th ed). Originally published 1974. CBS College Publishing, Holt Rinehart and Winston, New York, USA.
Stenger, Prof. Victor J.
"God, the Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist" (2007). Published by Prometheus Books. Stenger is a Nobel-prize winning physicist, and a skeptical philosopher whose research is strictly rational and evidence-based.
Notes
1.Dawkins (2006) p101.^
2.National Secular Society newsletter (2007 Jul 06). Added to this page on 2007 Nov 03.^
3.Dawkins (2006) p100-103.^
4.Schieman et al. (2006). Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion (2006) 45(4):529-549. Scott Schieman is professor of sociology at the University of Toronto, USA.^
5.Scientific American 1999 Sep, article "Scientists and Religion in America", reported on Prof. Kyung's website at kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm, accessed 2007 Jan 01.^
6.McConnel (1986) p555-6.^
7.Dawkins (2006) p102-103.^
8.Richard Lynn, John Harvey and Helmuth Nyborg article "Average intelligence predicts atheism rates across 137 nations" in Intelligence (2009 Jan/Feb) vol. 37 issue 1 pages 11-15. Online at www.sciencedirect.com, accessed 2009 Sep 15. The graph is produced from the data by Vexen Crabtree. Added to this page 2009 Sep 13.^
 
 

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Re: Study reveals:believers in God 'are more likely to have a lower IQ'
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2010, 06:42:53 PM »
Notice the credible sources that were posted, including science direct..I haven't ever heard a logical or something that made sense in reguards to religion..That's why i became atheist at the age of 15. The same week after i was confirmed from a catholic church...

I Figured that i could never make up the punishment that the priest gave me at my last confession..Which was 40 our father, 20 hail marys etc...

So i figured it was easier to give up on Religion altogether




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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2010, 08:09:28 PM »
Theres actually not a solid correlation between those two, some studies say there are, some say there are not. Dawkins said this.

There needs to be more studies done

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Re: Study reveals:believers in God 'are more likely to have a lower IQ' Dumb
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2010, 11:31:25 AM »
There sure are a lot of dumb people who say they believe in God.
Just as there are a lot of dumb people who say they don't.
99.9% of both groups have no idea what it means though.

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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2010, 11:49:38 AM »
Christopher Michael Langan is an American autodidact whose IQ was reported by 20/20 and other media sources to have been measured at between 195 and 210.  Billed by some media sources as "the smartest man in America"  He said:

"I believe that evolution, including the principle of natural selection, is one of the tools used by God to create mankind"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Michael_Langan


Francis Sellers Collins is an American  physician-geneticist, noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the Human Genome Project (HGP) and described by the Endocrine Society as "one of the most accomplished scientists of our time."  And he is a devout Christian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins#Religious_views

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Re: Study reveals:believers in God 'are more likely to have a lower IQ' Dumb
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2010, 02:29:04 PM »
There sure are a lot of dumb people who say they believe in God.
Just as there are a lot of dumb people who say they don't.
99.9% of both groups have no idea what it means though.

But you do? Oh brother... ::)
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Re: Study reveals:believers in God 'are more likely to have a lower IQ' Dumb
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2010, 05:44:23 PM »
Christopher Michael Langan is an American autodidact whose IQ was reported by 20/20 and other media sources to have been measured at between 195 and 210.  Billed by some media sources as "the smartest man in America"  He said:

"I believe that evolution, including the principle of natural selection, is one of the tools used by God to create mankind"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Michael_Langan

Not a Bible teaching though. God clearly says He created Adam and Eve.

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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2010, 07:16:25 AM »
Not a Bible teaching though. God clearly says He created Adam and Eve.

This thread specifically refers to "believers in God."

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Re: Study reveals:believers in God 'are more likely to have a lower IQ' Dumb
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 01:34:46 AM »
But you do? Oh brother... ::)

Didn't say that, I don't think I do. But I know what it does not mean.