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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2022, 07:50:13 AM »
It`s obvious that you have never seen a heroin addict for example in the throes of addiction.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

I have been around more than you think I have known a lot of adcicts. Hell my girlfriend literally runs the county drug court sending people to rehab with tax dollars.

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2022, 07:54:12 AM »
I have been around more than you think I have known a lot of adcicts. Hell my girlfriend literally runs the county drug court sending people to rehab with tax dollars.
And your point is ???

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2022, 08:57:26 AM »
Usyk says chatterboxes should be hit with sticks.

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2022, 09:04:45 AM »
It`s obvious that you have never seen a heroin addict for example in the throes of addiction.

You have no clue what you are talking about.
He knows everything though . Meanwhile he's addicted to trying to get his body to a certain size by depending on gear year round and force feeding himself

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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2022, 09:06:18 AM »
Does it really help a lot of people? I kow people on both sides quote statistics and some say AA doesn't do shit. But statistics can be interpreted in any number of ways.

I say whatever works but for myself AA is somehow distasteful. What do you think of using psychedelics to get clean? I know the founder of AA used acid but doubt he credits the acid.
Yes it does help a lot of people. NA too

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2022, 09:12:21 AM »
He knows everything though . Meanwhile he's addicted to trying to get his body to a certain size by depending on gear year round and force feeding himself

Should I join a support group bodybuilders anonymous?

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2022, 09:14:45 AM »
15 almonds is the key

16 will fuck up your world

but 15 will fix most things
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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2022, 09:23:23 AM »
Should I join a support group bodybuilders anonymous?
Haha naw. I would think about your health a little though. Your 45. Why not do actual TRT, like 100mgs a week.

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2022, 09:50:34 AM »
I have been around more than you think I have known a lot of adcicts. Hell my girlfriend literally runs the county drug court sending people to rehab with tax dollars.

Sounds like she is just passing the buck.

If she really wanted to help she would take an addict into your home.

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2022, 09:55:30 AM »
Thanks! Some great responses above which I never expected!

But I think that MPH said it best and what he recommended is the 'path' I failed to follow.

So Royalty's inquiry, "Were you violated?" which simply means " a failure to comply with some former agreement' just might be an appropriate question which I hope to respond to soon.

And to my good friend, WES, whose question was directed to Bhank, I have lived through a good friend's 'throes of addiction' for an extended period of time before I finally threw in the towel and walked away which was an act of VIOLATION of some sort on my part I guess / I think, Royalty.

Read on and you decide.

The following is a true story. Don't read it if you don't like true stories!
Especially stories with unhappy endings.

My sad drug related tale  is a long one and right now I feel like I'm talking to a psychiatrist, so I'm gonna lay back and start my story in bits and pieces.

Here goes ...

I was stationed in Hawaii and met a friend of a fellow Jarhead  who arrived from California  to relax as he was in the process of recovering from a spinal injury which was caused by a heavy squatting incident.

As a result he spent numerous months in a California hospital undergoing numerous surgeries which overtime got him addicted to 'pain killers'.

So after a long period of time he gets released from the hospital with numerous prescriptions on his pocket and arrives in Hawaii with a solid metal and leather back brace which allowed him to stand and walk with lots of effort.

So a group of us are sitting on Waikiki Beach in front of Duke's and this 22 year old kid comes walking towards us walking very slowly like a Frankenstein stroll through the park.

This was the first time we met him.

So we are all sitting in the sun and I start questioning him about the monster metal and leather contraption he's wearing which started a very long conversation which concludes with one question:

"Can you swim?"

"No, I'd sink. My brace is too heavy!"

"Well take it off and let's go swimming!"

He laughed but myself and others persisted and eventually with his partial consent we walked with him into waist deep water and helped him remove the brace and he floated comfortably while one of us carried that brace ashore.

And with some help and encouragement we 'floated' him out to the reef,  put a face mask on his head, and told him to take a look beneath the surface.

Those two or three minutes beyond the reef and the sight of some beautiful aquatic
creatures changed his life dramatically for the next few months because upon returning to the beach he asked if he could give it a try and walk without the back-brace.

It was slow going but he did manage and made the decision to keep on enjoying Hawaii  and the colorful creatures beneath the sea without the  back-brace which became a daily occurrence and a more than halfway, partial cure.

But the story continues which goes from this great day on Waikiki Beach to unspeakable hell just a few months away.

Gotta take leave and rob a casino!











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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2022, 10:00:09 AM »
No one is denied emergent care, addiction therapy does not fall under that definition

Okay. There are multiple facilities for addiction that don’t require insurance. I have an unemployed/uninsured  family member who’s in a rehabilitation facility today (in Orlando Florida ironically).

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2022, 10:34:48 AM »
Haha naw. I would think about your health a little though. Your 45. Why not do actual TRT, like 100mgs a week.

Because that is simply not an effective dosage. Who the fuck is anyone to say what is and isn't TRT if you Testosterone is low and you add more you are replacing your testosterone yes? You guys are arguing over something that is subjective like it is written in stone. I told you all exactly how much I took and you call me a liar because you disagree with a subjective classification. Everyone converts at a different rate. If you have to take 5grams a week to get to a total level of 800 is that not TRT? If you get to 900 and your natural levels were 700 at their peak is that someone no longer TRT if I get a refill of a 3/4 full drink and fill the cup up all the way is that not still a refill fucking nonsense.

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2022, 10:50:52 AM »
Because that is simply not an effective dosage. Who the fuck is anyone to say what is and isn't TRT if you Testosterone is low and you add more you are replacing your testosterone yes? You guys are arguing over something that is subjective like it is written in stone. I told you all exactly how much I took and you call me a liar because you disagree with a subjective classification. Everyone converts at a different rate. If you have to take 5grams a week to get to a total level of 800 is that not TRT? If you get to 900 and your natural levels were 700 at their peak is that someone no longer TRT if I get a refill of a 3/4 full drink and fill the cup up all the way is that not still a refill fucking nonsense.

Who are you to say what is an effective dose?

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2022, 10:56:07 AM »
Okay. There are multiple facilities for addiction that don’t require insurance. I have an unemployed/uninsured  family member who’s in a rehabilitation facility today (in Orlando Florida ironically).

im truly glad that they were able to get help in spite of their circumstances.  I think its a travesty that other people who are uninsured/unemployed might not be able to get help for their addiction.

our country spends ungodly amounts of money on military aid for other countries, most recently $40B  for Ukraine.  Id rather that money be spent on US citizens directly.

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2022, 10:59:24 AM »
im truly glad that they were able to get help in spite of their circumstances.  I think its a travesty that other people who are uninsured/unemployed might not be able to get help for their addiction.

our country spends ungodly amounts of money on military aid for other countries, most recently $40B  for Ukraine.  Id rather that money be spent on US citizens directly.

Fantastic point! 100% Agree.

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2022, 11:02:27 AM »
Who are you to say what is an effective dose?

Go ahead and take 100mg have at it. I am telling you that is not an effective dosage for me. I have a very high metabolism it will do absolutely nothing for me. I honestly don't care how much anyone else does or doesn't take. You don't get a cookie for taking more less or none. If someone says they drink 5 beers socially are you going to argue with them to the death over how many beers is social drinking vs binge drinking how many joints is medicinal how many advil is for a headache wtf does it matter if they say they drink 5 beers it is 5 beers who gives a fuck how you subjectively classify it? How the fuck do you people not understand the difference between subjective statement and factual statements? 500mg is a factual statement TRT is subjective calling 100mg or 10kmg TRT or a cycle is a fucking subjective statement. It used to just be fake natties when I was younger now every idiot wants to brag about how little test they supposedly take for TRT you are still taking test regardless it doesn't matter how much you take. Fucking Pro's no longer say they don't take steroids they just say they take a TRT dosage. Idiots always want to say well I might not be in as good of shape but I only take x and he takes x times 2 it is all fucking bullshit test is test. Your body can only use so much anyway after it is full after you are hitting the receptors an extra fucking 1000cc a day isn't going to make a lick of difference. By all means take 500mg then try 5k you simply wont get any better results

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2022, 11:28:07 AM »
Should I join a support group bodybuilders anonymous?

   One needs to be a bodybuilder first. Kinda like non alcoholics don’t join AA

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2022, 11:31:40 AM »
Bhanky is mentally addicted to steroids.

Bio-identical ones of course.

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2022, 11:32:41 AM »
Thanks! Some great responses above which I never expected!

Thanks man, glad to help.
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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2022, 11:36:16 AM »
They also drink gallons of coffee while chain smoking cigarettes at their meetings.
  so they just exchange one unhealthy addiction for another. not much of an upgrade.
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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2022, 11:58:13 AM »
  so they just exchange one unhealthy addiction for another. not much of an upgrade.

pretty much  ;D cigs & coffee are legal though so it's ok .....

The most beneficial part of AA is that you can instantly access a sober, supportive community.  They throw a lot of events and activities and so you can surround yourself w like-minded people almost 24/7.  It's pretty tough to stay sober if all your friends use drugs or alcohol, and otherwise it can be hard to meet sober people.

It's a bit much though, I stay clean from an opioid addiction but enjoy a bit of pot here and there, and most people in there won't associate w anyone who uses any drugs.  I can definitely see the value--especially for alcohol, which is ubiquitous at social gatherings

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« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2022, 12:16:45 PM »
In regards to alcoholism, the Sinclair Method seems like a much better form of treatment.  Essentially it involves taking naltrexone prior to drinking so as to block the rewards associated with alcohol consumption.  Telling an alcoholic to not drink, exercise willpower, etc. is a losing battle.  IMO, of coursse...

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2022, 12:23:22 PM »
Here’s the problem…drug addicts have 0 self-control. Nothing can be done for a person with no self control. Let them all od.
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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2022, 12:45:38 PM »
Go ahead and take 100mg have at it. I am telling you that is not an effective dosage for me. I have a very high metabolism it will do absolutely nothing for me. I honestly don't care how much anyone else does or doesn't take. You don't get a cookie for taking more less or none. If someone says they drink 5 beers socially are you going to argue with them to the death over how many beers is social drinking vs binge drinking how many joints is medicinal how many advil is for a headache wtf does it matter if they say they drink 5 beers it is 5 beers who gives a fuck how you subjectively classify it? How the fuck do you people not understand the difference between subjective statement and factual statements? 500mg is a factual statement TRT is subjective calling 100mg or 10kmg TRT or a cycle is a fucking subjective statement. It used to just be fake natties when I was younger now every idiot wants to brag about how little test they supposedly take for TRT you are still taking test regardless it doesn't matter how much you take. Fucking Pro's no longer say they don't take steroids they just say they take a TRT dosage. Idiots always want to say well I might not be in as good of shape but I only take x and he takes x times 2 it is all fucking bullshit test is test. Your body can only use so much anyway after it is full after you are hitting the receptors an extra fucking 1000cc a day isn't going to make a lick of difference. By all means take 500mg then try 5k you simply wont get any better results

Drink 5 beers socializing and drive, let me know what happens if you’re pulled over.

I’m missing your point if the body can only process x amount that more won’t do anything, because you said who is anyone to say what an effective dose is.

So I ask the same question, who are you to recommend effective doses?

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Re: DRUGGED UP! What's the 1st step to recovery?!
« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2022, 12:51:51 PM »
Go ahead and take 100mg have at it. I am telling you that is not an effective dosage for me. I have a very high metabolism it will do absolutely nothing for me. I honestly don't care how much anyone else does or doesn't take. You don't get a cookie for taking more less or none. If someone says they drink 5 beers socially are you going to argue with them to the death over how many beers is social drinking vs binge drinking how many joints is medicinal how many advil is for a headache wtf does it matter if they say they drink 5 beers it is 5 beers who gives a fuck how you subjectively classify it? How the fuck do you people not understand the difference between subjective statement and factual statements? 500mg is a factual statement TRT is subjective calling 100mg or 10kmg TRT or a cycle is a fucking subjective statement. It used to just be fake natties when I was younger now every idiot wants to brag about how little test they supposedly take for TRT you are still taking test regardless it doesn't matter how much you take. Fucking Pro's no longer say they don't take steroids they just say they take a TRT dosage. Idiots always want to say well I might not be in as good of shape but I only take x and he takes x times 2 it is all fucking bullshit test is test. Your body can only use so much anyway after it is full after you are hitting the receptors an extra fucking 1000cc a day isn't going to make a lick of difference. By all means take 500mg then try 5k you simply wont get any better results

You're a moron.

Justify your drug addiction any way you want Brian.

Talking in circles doesn't make you right.