Phil vs. Jay

[Wiggs]

Start at around :55 where he begins to talk about Jay.
Is this really why they fell out? Apparently they're better now but only recently as of this year. Their falling out is one of the better kept secrets in bodybuilding. Anyone have any insight?

[Royalty]

I think that there was definitely more to it than that. Winning more Olympia’s than Jay would not be enough to cause Jay to not be Phil’s friend.

Maybe Phil found out that Jay was friends with Kai, and Phil started attacking Jay (along with Kai)

[ProudVirgin69]

Maybe.  I could see Jay being a little salty about putting Phil on and being partly responsible for his success, only to have been surpassed by him.  The fact that it’s been kept secret probably means that it’s really boring 

It’s a little ironic that Phil complains in that video about kids today not showing respect to where they came from when he doesn’t acknowledge Jay’s role in his success.

[joswift]

maybe Jay doesnt associate with people who dump a wife with cancer or steal necklaces.

[Hulkotron]

I assume most fallings-out in BB are about tang, drug hook-ups, and/or money.

[robcguns]

Heath just comes off as a very arrogant prick.

[Wiggs]

Heath just comes off as a very arrogant prick.

I agree Rob. I don't think he can help it. He's definitely more chill now. But I guess that can happen when you have grams of hormones flowing through your body and he's 42 now.

[OlympiaGym]

Jay is white. Deep down he believes he’s better than Phil. A white meth head considers himself better than the smartest or wealthiest black man on earth. This is reality.

[Wiggs]

Jay is white. Deep down he believes he’s better than Phil. A white meth head considers himself better than the smartest or wealthiest black man on earth. This is reality.

Deep down how do you feel champ? Why TF are there pronouns in your thumbnail?

[OlympiaGym]

Deep down how do you feel champ?

Superior.

[Wiggs]

Superior.

Superior to who?

[OlympiaGym]

Superior to who?

No one. I have a BLM sign in my driveway.

[Wiggs]

No one. I have a BLM sign in my driveway.

Legit LOL!!!!!!
You crazy bastard.

[Royalty]

The year that Phil passed Jay in Olympia wins was 2015. Phil won #5 in 2015, but he came in off that year. A lot of people felt that Shawn Rhoden beat Phil in 2015.

Perhaps Jay and Phil had a falling out because Jay told Phil that Rhoden should have won. Maybe Phil felt that Jay was just jealous.

Here is the 2015 Olympia prejudging assessment

[Skeletor]

Obligatory.

Phil is a real winner

Used his wife's cancer to further his career then dumped her
Abandoned his step son
Harassed and threatened and lied about a gym receptionist
Insulted police officers then deleted his insults
Photo shops his pics
Steps over the line on stage
Talks on his phone and texts takes selfies in workouts
Has his mom defend him online
Is proud about thinking he's the only bodybuilder with trading cards when it's been done before him
Looks diabetic
Talks to hammer strength incline press machines
Mangy bald spots on head
Narrow shoulders
Bird chest
Overdeveloped arms
Failed supplement company owner
Effeminate voice
Has done nothing to further bodybuilding
Lives in a shit hole
Hated by fans worldwide
No one goes to his after party
Not respected by other bodybuilder
A piece of fucking shit

[G_Thang]

Of the last four most recognizable Os, Jay is the worst but the most successful off stage, so what's his hangup? He has to know Ronnie Dorian and Phil are better than him. I think 4 is an overachievement for him.  Minus injuries Ronnie should have won in 2006.  For most people, he only really won 2.

[Wiggs]

Of the last four most recognizable Os, Jay is the worst but the most successful off stage, so what's his hangup? He has to know Ronnie Dorian and Phil are better than him. I think 4 is an overachievement for him.  Minus injuries Ronnie should have won in 2006.  For most people, he only really won 2.

Prime Jay is better than Curry. Prime Jay is better than Ramy.
Prime Jay vs. Prime Rhoden would be interesting. Prime Jay vs. Prime Phil = Phil.

I'm not wasting my time with Dorian and Ronnie because it's not worth it.

[Bevo]

Prime Jay is better than Curry. Prime Jay is better than Ramy.
Prime Jay vs. Prime Rhoden would be interesting. Prime Jay vs. Prime Phil = Phil.

I'm not wasting my time with Dorian and Ronnie because it's not worth it.

Even dexter admitted at his best he wouldn’t beat Jay at his best

2001 and 2009 Jay would beat every version of Rhoden, he’s too small next to him

[Wiggs]

Even dexter admitted at his best he wouldn’t beat Jay at his best

2001 and 2009 Jay would beat every version of Rhoden, he’s too small next to him

My bad to Dex but yeah, prme Jay is better than Dex.
2018 Rhoden vs. 2009 or 01 Jay would be size vs. shape. I'll call the conditioning a draw. In 2009 Jay was 255. Rhoden was 240s. Not that big of a difference. I'm a shape guy but Rhoden's lack of triceps and average bdb hurts him vs. Jay.

[Bevo]

Mad bad to Dex. But year Prime Jay is better than Dex.
2018 Rhoden vs. 2009 or 01 Jay would be size vs. shape. I'll call the conditioning a draw. In 2009 Jay was 255. Rhoden was 240s. Not that big of a difference. I'm a shape guy but Rhoden's lack of triceps and average bdb hurts him vs. Jay.

I prefer Rhoden and dexters physique over Jay but I think weight aside, Jay is wider,, and just carries a much more thicker look to Rhoden, they are apples to oranges but imo, I think 2001 or 2009 Jay is better than Rhoden

Also Rhoden is 5’9 ish and Jay is 5’8 so that 255 is going to look a bit bigger than rhoden’s 240 ish

[Wiggs]

I prefer Rhoden and dexters physique over Jay but I think weight aside, Jay is wider,, and just carries a much more thicker look to Rhoden, they are apples to oranges but imo, I think 2001 or 2009 Jay is better than Rhoden

Also Rhoden is 5’9 ish and Jay is 5’8 so that 255 is going to look a bit bigger than rhoden’s 240 ish

I can't argue against this.

[G_Thang]

Of the last four most recognizable Os, Jay is the worst but the most successful off stage, so what's his hangup? He has to know Ronnie Dorian and Phil are better than him. I think 4 is an overachievement for him.  Minus injuries Ronnie should have won in 2006.  For most people, he only really won 2.

Recognizable. - Jay Phil Ronnie and Dorian

I'm not talking about Dex, Brandon and the Arab. Sorry I forgot Shawn actually won.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

I heard that Phil told Jay that his music sucks. That he shouldn't even think about being a "DJ" back when Cutler was trying to break into the music industry. Those comments by Phil although true, is what put an end to their friendship...

[King Shizzo]

Prime Jay is better than Curry. Prime Jay is better than Ramy.
Prime Jay vs. Prime Rhoden would be interesting. Prime Jay vs. Prime Phil = Phil.

I'm not wasting my time with Dorian and Ronnie because it's not worth it.

There you have it.

[Fortress]

I heard that Phil told Jay that his music sucks. That he shouldn't even think about being a "DJ" back when Cutler was trying to break into the music industry. Those comments by Phil although true, is what put an end to their friendship...

CDs?