I'm up in the air on the question. Either way, the stats are skewed based on my experience. There's a few different versions that randomly go out and it has a 10 + year impact on a plethora of things, not just gov't. Having an accurate count of people regardless of race or citizenship is most important. Having worked for the the Dept. of Commerce, including the decennials, many people refuse to answer some or all of the questions. The 2020 is going to be a huge PITA. I'd be afraid (safety wise) to be a Census worker in any capacity this time around.
Technically, it does say "persons" in the constitution, but there is also no legal reason why they cannot ask that question as well.
Do you really believe "persons" was meant to include illegal aliens?I am going to say, No, because at that time it wasn't so much of a defined term so if they were around today I am sure they would make it more clear to only include citizens due to the representation aspect.
I am going to say, No, because at that time it wasn't so much of a defined term so if they were around today I am sure they would make it more clear to only include citizens due to the representation aspect.
Literally, I think it did mean that back then.
Does that make sense in how I am explaining that? So the ruling was bogus, imo.
I could be wrong as I haven't looked too hard into the term "persons" at that time.
Do you really believe "persons" was meant to include illegal aliens?
They just called them invaders back then...
Whenever I see people fighting to ensure illegal aliens can flood our borders and stay once they make it across the border, I think of one word: anti-american. Or is that two words?
Look at the response to Trump dropping the citizenship question from the census: "we won." Won what? Making it easier for illegal aliens to be counted in the census to try and effect how many representatives of Congress a state may get? Anti-American.
DOJ says citizenship question being dropped from 2020 Census: NY attorney general's office
By Gregg Re | Fox News
It's 'common sense' for the government to know whether or not residents are citizens, says Mercedes Schlapp, White House director of strategic communications.
The New York attorney general’s office said Tuesday the Justice Department has decided to print the 2020 Census without the citizenship question sought by the Trump administration, ending a contentious legal dispute over an issue that could soon affect the makeup of Congress and the Electoral College.
The Supreme Court ruled last week that the question couldn't be added for now, as civil rights groups argued that the Trump administration's reasons for including the question were merely pretextual efforts to discourage illegal immigrants from responding to the Census. Population counts from the Census are used to apportion House seats among the 50 states.
In a tweet on Monday, Daniel Jacobson, who worked in the White House Counsel’s Office under President Obama, said a trial attorney at the Justice Department told him that "the printer has been instructed to begin the printing process" without the citizenship question.
"We won," Jacobson wrote.
Daniel Jacobson
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HUGE CENSUS NEWS — the Government just advised that the decision has been made to print the the census questionnaire WITHOUT the citizenship question. We won.
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House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings, D-Md., issued a less-than-celebratory statement calling for answers, even as he praised the decision to scrap the citizenship question.
"I am encouraged that Administration officials dropped President Trump’s unconstitutional plan to postpone the Census just because he lost the Supreme Court case," Cummings said. "The Trump Administration put our country through more than a year of wasted time and squandered resources—all in the service of an illegal attempt to add a discriminatory question based on a pretext. Now they need to direct all their attention to the nuts and bolts of putting on the Census next year. The Census Bureau has a responsibility under the Constitution to get an accurate count."
Cummings continued: "The Attorney General and the Secretary of Commerce must now turn over all of the documents our Committee has subpoenaed on a bipartisan basis."
The White House didn't immediately comment on the decision. Spokespeople for the U.S. Census Bureau have not responded to emails or phone calls seeking comment.
President Trump had tweeted that he had asked lawyers if the count can be delayed until the Supreme Court can reevaluate the matter, based on additional evidence supporting the administration's justifications for adding the citizenship question.
The Supreme Court, in its ruling last week, did not prohibit a citizenship question out of hand but dismissed the administration's provided rationale. The court suggested it would be open to different arguments from the White House.
However, experts responded that any delay could gum up the U.S. Census Bureau's finely calibrated timetable for the 10-year count. Monday was the deadline to start printing the 600 million documents that will be mailed to 130 million households for next April's census count.
For months, the Trump administration had argued that the courts needed to decide quickly whether the citizenship question could be added to the 2020 census because of the looming deadline.
"I think it's very important to find out if somebody is a citizen as opposed to an illegal," Trump told reporters Monday. "There's a big difference to me between being a citizen of the United States and being an illegal."
Former President Barack Obama's administration didn't ask the citizenship question in the 2010 census. The citizenship question was last asked on the census in 1950, but beginning in 1970, a citizenship question was asked in a long-form questionnaire sent to a relatively small number of households, alongside the main census. In 2010, there was no long-form questionnaire.
"There is no credible argument to be made that asking about citizenship subverts the Constitution and federal law," Chapman University law professor and constitutional law expert John Eastman told Fox News.
From a logistical standpoint, any delay "would be a nightmare," said John Thompson, who served as Census Bureau director during Obama's second term.
The bureau already has been in the process of signing almost 250 office leases across the U.S. and has hired 1,500 specialists partnering with community organizations to encourage people to participate in the census. More than 170,000 recruits already have filled out applications for the almost half-million positions being created for the count. The bureau has helped set up more than 1,500 committees nationwide working to get everyone to respond.
Furthermore, Congress would have to change the law for the count to be delayed because Title 13 of the U.S. Code mandates that it take place on April 1, 2020, Thompson said.
"I don't think there's any ambiguity, but I'm not a lawyer," Thompson said.
Both the census and the way individual congressional districts are crafted can change the balance of power on Capitol Hill; Shannon Bream, Fox News chief legal correspondent and anchor of 'Fox News @ Night,' reports.
Fewer people are expected to fill out the questionnaires using paper than in years past because the bureau for the first time is relying on most respondents to use the Internet to answer questions. Still, printed postcards and letters are to be sent out next March reminding residents it's time to answer the questionnaire, and those who don't respond digitally are expected to be mailed paper questionnaires.
As recently as last week, the Trump administration's solicitor general wrote in court papers that the Census Bureau needed to finalize the questions by June. Any changes to the paper questionnaire after June would impair the bureau's ability to conduct the count in a timely manner, wrote the solicitor general, Noel Francisco.
More than two dozen Democrats in the U.S. Senate last week sent a letter urging Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross to drop any further pursuit of the citizenship question because it would delay the bureau's ability to conduct the count.
"The 2020 Census is less than half a year away, and any unnecessary delay in operations would impact the ability of the Census Bureau to count every person in our country," the letter read.
This past May, Montana Republican Sen. Steve Daines introduced legislation that would require the census to include a citizenship question.
"This is America," Daines told Fox News at the time. "We are a sovereign nation. It's absurd that we don't know how many citizens and non-citizens are living in this country. That's why I'm introducing this bill to require a citizenship question on the census - and ensure that states harboring millions of illegal immigrants are not rewarded with additional taxpayer dollars."
Fox News' Jake Gibson and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-says-citizenship-question-being-dropped-from-2020-census-ny-attorney-generals-office
Amazing... IIFYM creator
Can't believe people think like this
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Believe it or not we can secure our borders without being hateful or racist.
That's the America I want. Who's with me?
What is really Anti_American is to weaponize the census for political gains (which is what correspondence between the people in the administration and key Republican operatives has revealed is the motive)
According to the latest research outlined by the Census Bureau earlier this month, the question would reduce response rates for non-citizens by 8 percentage points. (The research assumes that the question wouldn’t affect response rates in households of U.S. citizens.) That translates to an overall drop of 2.2 percentage points for all households. Such a decline is expected to drive up costs and require additional follow-up for people who don't respond.
So the Census Bureau themselves have revealed that this question would result in LESS PARTICIPATION and LESS ACCURATE RESULTS
Note to Trumptards - Non-Citizens does not only mean illegal residents (you know, like the ones that work at Trump golf courses and hotels)
Believe it or not we can secure our borders without being hateful or racist.
That's the America I want. Who's with me?
Believe it or not we can secure our borders without being hateful or racist.
That's the America I want. Who's with me?
What is really Anti_American is to weaponize the census for political gains (which is what correspondence between the people in the administration and key Republican operatives has revealed is the motive)Nothing and I mean nothing happens in your life without you finding a way to put Trump into the conversation.
According to the latest research outlined by the Census Bureau earlier this month, the question would reduce response rates for non-citizens by 8 percentage points. (The research assumes that the question wouldn’t affect response rates in households of U.S. citizens.) That translates to an overall drop of 2.2 percentage points for all households. Such a decline is expected to drive up costs and require additional follow-up for people who don't respond.
So the Census Bureau themselves have revealed that this question would result in LESS PARTICIPATION and LESS ACCURATE RESULTS
Note to Trumptards - Non-Citizens does not only mean illegal residents (you know, like the ones that work at Trump golf courses and hotels)
It’s really just vote buying. Let illegals in, then give them bennies and a path to citizenship. Which party are they gonna support?Yes, that is the goal for the democrat leaders but your typical libtard on here isn't smart (or honest) enough to figure that out.
Good point and see no problem with a citizenship question on the census.
In fact, several can be LEGAL immigrants but not full citizens.
In my opinion everyone counted needs to be some form of legal resident.
Oddly enough, I agree with you regarding citizenship questions as part of the census. I'm going to go a step further and say everyone should be counted regardless of whether they are legal residents.
If the census is used to determine Congressional representation, why would we count people who are here illegally?
Straw man says that's bullshit!
Because they vote and get govt benefits in sanctuary cities.
Oddly enough, I agree with you regarding citizenship questions as part of the census. I'm going to go a step further and say everyone should be counted regardless of whether they are legal residents.
OMG! :o :o :o A moment of lucid clarity and reason. :oThe end is nigh.
If the census is used to determine Congressional representation, why would we count people who are here illegally?
If the census is used to determine Congressional representation, why would we count people who are here illegally?
Because they vote and get govt benefits in sanctuary cities.
I don't know. Why don't you ask Trump? Isn't he the person who wants the citizenship question added to the census? Seems like a good idea to me. I think folks who aren't American citizens should not have the privilege of voting on our issues or in our elections.
Having said this, unless proof of citizenship is required. How do you know whether the person's answer is true or not.
The administration argues that the citizenship data would help in enforcement of the Voting Rights Act, and that is manifestly true. By law, “majority minority” districts must be drawn so at least 50% of eligible voters—i.e., citizens over 18—are members of the minority in question. If too many minority residents are ineligible to vote, that defeats the purpose of avoiding the dilution of minority voting strength. Voting-rights litigation and compliance are hampered by the lack of citizenship data in the decennial census.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/should-noncitizens-be-represented-in-congress-11555972120
What is really Anti_American is to weaponize the census for political gains (which is what correspondence between the people in the administration and key Republican operatives has revealed is the motive)
According to the latest research outlined by the Census Bureau earlier this month, the question would reduce response rates for non-citizens by 8 percentage points. (The research assumes that the question wouldn’t affect response rates in households of U.S. citizens.) That translates to an overall drop of 2.2 percentage points for all households. Such a decline is expected to drive up costs and require additional follow-up for people who don't respond.
So the Census Bureau themselves have revealed that this question would result in LESS PARTICIPATION and LESS ACCURATE RESULTS
Note to Trumptards - Non-Citizens does not only mean illegal residents (you know, like the ones that work at Trump golf courses and hotels)
Democrats mull masking whistleblower, holding testimony at remote locale: report
BY JUSTINE COLEMAN - 10/07/19
House Democrats are looking to prevent the whistleblower from being identified by holding the person's testimony at a remote location and potentially changing their appearance and voice.
Democrats are going to great lengths to hide the whistleblower's identity out of fear the Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee could leak their identity, according to The Washington Post, which cited three people familiar with the discussions.
Democrats are considering holding testimony outside the Capitol as well as a staff-only session that would bar lawmakers from questioning the whistleblower, according to the Post.
Democrats are also weighing options to distort the whistleblower's appearance and voice, including through a video camera or audio-only testimony or by placing the person behind a screen, the Post reported.
These meetings could occur "within the next couple of weeks," though the date has not been decided, an official told the Post.
The whistleblower's allegations that President Trump sought to pressure Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden led Democrats to start an impeachment inquiry.
Trump has requested to know the identity of the whistleblower and has called the person "close to a spy."
The lawyer representing the whistleblower has expressed concern for his client's safety. A second whistleblower has hired the same legal team.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/464738-democrats-mull-masking-whistleblower-holding-testimony-at-remote-locale-report
Didn't you already post this in a different thread?
Yes.
I guess this means you think it's major news.
No that means I think it's relevant to more than one thread.
Good point. Hadn't thought about that.
The Russia conspiracy hoax is one of the most unAmerican things I've ever seen. This faux impeachment is right up there too. No vote. No identification of specific impeachable offenses. Secret interviews. No release of transcripts. Selective leaking. Hiding the identity of witnesses. Not giving the POTUS access to evidence. Absolutely crazy stuff.The dems are pushing this country into an out of control spiral and their media counterparts are fanning the flames.
Are there any civil libertarians on the left other than Alan Dershowitz??
The dems are pushing this country into an out of control spiral and their media counterparts are fanning the flames.
Yep. The media and the Democrat Party are one and the same.
Have you remembered to include FOX in your observation?
Even Trump’s Fox News allies admit his Ukraine call was problematic
By Ephrat Livni in Washington DCOctober 5, 2019
...even some of his most vocal supporters admit that Trump’s Ukraine dealings, which sparked an impeachment inquiry, are highly problematic.
https://qz.com/1722711/even-trumps-fox-news-allies-admit-his-ukraine-call-is-problematic/
What is it about this Fox article that makes them anti-American?
Don't get what you are saying. Where did I suggest that FOX is anti-American?
You posted the article in a thread about anti-Americans.
Disgusting.Can you believe this shit. POS.
The Washington Post faces backlash for headline calling ISIS terrorist 'austere religious scholar'
Jeanine Santucci, USA TODAY Published 28, 2019
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/28/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-washington-post-austere-headline/2483340001/
Can you believe this shit. POS.
Shreveport Mayor Tells First Responders Not to Help When Trump VisitsWhat a piece of shit. Should be removed from office.
posted by Ken Webster jr - Nov 13, 2019
Update: new reports reveal the mayor of Shreveport has gone into full defense mode, telling outlets he will provide “some” help with Trump’s visit.
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Shreveport Police and Firefighters have been ordered not do their jobs and assist with President Trump's visit to Bossier City this week.
First responders from Northwest Louisiana were planning to help prepare for Donald Trump's rally at the CenturyLink Center this week but the Mayor of Shreveport, Democrat Adrian Perkins, has ordered them not to get involved, according to multiple news outlets.
This order pertains to traffic control and the fire department bomb squad.
Wow! The Mayor of Shreveport wants people in Northwest Louisiana to be less safe? Sounds like another corrupt Democrat is running his mouth again.
Not surprisingly, local residents are pissed.
https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/the-pursuit-of-happiness/content/2019-11-13-shreveport-mayor-tells-first-responders-not-to-help-when-trump-visits/?fbclid=IwAR31ZlxDLIPyNp2AnHZagN9XHOZbmz_oxARLAdXA2nigoetyZ0e9igdAFDY
Dangerous times.
‘I Actually Have Some Civil Rights Here Too’: Defiant Devin Nunes Fires Back At Schiff Phone Record Subpoena
SCOTT MOREFIELD
REPORTER
December 04, 2019
Republican California Rep. Devin Nunes fired back at Democratic California Rep. Adam Schiff during Wednesday night’s edition of “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” calling his phone record subpoena a violation of his “civil rights.”
Schiff, the House Intelligence Committee chairman, released his committee’s impeachment inquiry report Tuesday, which revealed the acquisition of several personal phone records of conversations involving Nunes, investigative reporter John Solomon, and Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani.
“He has subpoena power,” Nunes told Fox News host Tucker Carlson when asked how it happened. “So when the Democrats gained control, they have subpoena power. We knew he had issued – he notified us that he had subpoenaed some phone numbers. We didn’t know who those numbers were. And, of course, because it’s … classified, we can’t talk about it.”
“Could they do that for my phone records and your phone records?” Tucker asked.
“It appears like they could,” said Nunes. “If Adam Schiff now wants to go out and subpoena, they have now set a precedent where Adam Schiff can go and get any phone number he has, send it to AT&T and AT&T is going to comply.”
Nunes told Carlson that he was unaware of “any previous time” where the House Intelligence Committee had subpoenaed phone numbers. (RELATED: Devin Nunes Yields To Adam Schiff ‘For Story Time Hour’)
“And because I had talked to Rudy Giuliani and somehow that’s now a crime, and then I make it into his report,” said Nunes. “We spent the last three years, if any Republican ever talked to any Russian at any time, even if you are Russian-American, that was a no-no. Then we were criticized. We switched to Ukraine. If you talk to any Ukrainian that’s now a crime. Now I can’t even talk to Rudy Giuliani, who I have known for 10 years. That’s supposedly a crime. And I’m in his report for supposedly doing something wrong. So this is — this is wrong. And what is happening, whatever is happening in this town is wrong and look, I’m going to look at whatever legal remedies I have. Because I actually have some civil rights here too.”
“If they can do it to you, then what protection do we have?” asked Carlson.
“They can do it to you,” Nunes said.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/04/devin-nunes-adam-schiff-phone-records/
Telephone calling records have been subject to search for a considerable time. I believe there is a legal basis in that there is no expectation of privacy of calling records,…because you are making it known to a third party, (the telephone company) by dialing the number of whom you are calling.
As I understand it…the legal precedent was set when calls were connected by human operators shoving plugs into jacks,… you had to tell the operator the number and thus you had no expectation of privacy…she would make a paper trail of the call.
When telephones got dials, local calls were routed by large arrays of mechanical switches…(the first computer logic was based on telephone switching offices). With the exception of long distance which were still handled by human operators (who timed calls with the same timers that pool rooms used to time pool table use) no routine record was kept of local telephone calls.
To obtain a record of who people called locally became something you had to seek out by installing a device called a “pen register” on the line in question. If you refer back to the earlier telephone era of human operators whom the callers had to tell the number that they were calling…only now you are dialing the number into the switching system…with no expectation of privacy.
Enter into the scene ESS…electronic switching systems…controlled by computers. Calls are always super clear, easy to understand, with lots of neat new things that the telephone can do.
Such as:And many more.
- You dial someone and if the line is busy…when the person you called hangs-up the system will call you back and connect you.
- You can see the number of who is calling you.
- If you are going to the gym you can have the system forward your calls to the gym’s front desk.
All this requires the system to remember the numbers of whom you are calling,…with no expectation of privacy.
Fast forward to the cell phone era:All with no expectation of privacy because originally you had to talk to human operators to route calls.
- Like wired telephones you have to tell the system (dial) the number you want to call.
- The system in order to route calls it has to know which tower you are closest to (your cell phone reports to the nearest tower every six seconds)…so the system knows where you are.
I'm no lawyer, but this doesn't pass the sniff test.
We have every expectation of privacy when talking on the phone - in general at least. If I'm blabbing away in public where anyone can sit there and listen, then maybe not. If I'm at home talking to my doctor or wife, then there's no question we have an expectation of privacy.
Not your conversation...Whom did you call? When? For how long? Where did you call from? Where was the person you called when you talked to him?...Those records.
Dangerous times.
‘I Actually Have Some Civil Rights Here Too’: Defiant Devin Nunes Fires Back At Schiff Phone Record Subpoena
SCOTT MOREFIELD
REPORTER
December 04, 2019
Republican California Rep. Devin Nunes fired back at Democratic California Rep. Adam Schiff during Wednesday night’s edition of “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” calling his phone record subpoena a violation of his “civil rights.”
Schiff, the House Intelligence Committee chairman, released his committee’s impeachment inquiry report Tuesday, which revealed the acquisition of several personal phone records of conversations involving Nunes, investigative reporter John Solomon, and Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani.
“He has subpoena power,” Nunes told Fox News host Tucker Carlson when asked how it happened. “So when the Democrats gained control, they have subpoena power. We knew he had issued – he notified us that he had subpoenaed some phone numbers. We didn’t know who those numbers were. And, of course, because it’s … classified, we can’t talk about it.”
“Could they do that for my phone records and your phone records?” Tucker asked.
“It appears like they could,” said Nunes. “If Adam Schiff now wants to go out and subpoena, they have now set a precedent where Adam Schiff can go and get any phone number he has, send it to AT&T and AT&T is going to comply.”
Nunes told Carlson that he was unaware of “any previous time” where the House Intelligence Committee had subpoenaed phone numbers. (RELATED: Devin Nunes Yields To Adam Schiff ‘For Story Time Hour’)
“And because I had talked to Rudy Giuliani and somehow that’s now a crime, and then I make it into his report,” said Nunes. “We spent the last three years, if any Republican ever talked to any Russian at any time, even if you are Russian-American, that was a no-no. Then we were criticized. We switched to Ukraine. If you talk to any Ukrainian that’s now a crime. Now I can’t even talk to Rudy Giuliani, who I have known for 10 years. That’s supposedly a crime. And I’m in his report for supposedly doing something wrong. So this is — this is wrong. And what is happening, whatever is happening in this town is wrong and look, I’m going to look at whatever legal remedies I have. Because I actually have some civil rights here too.”
“If they can do it to you, then what protection do we have?” asked Carlson.
“They can do it to you,” Nunes said.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/04/devin-nunes-adam-schiff-phone-records/
We are surrounded by anti-American zealots.
Impeachment Manager Adam Schiff Wants ‘9/11 Commission’ on Coronavirus: ‘What Went Wrong’?
JOEL B. POLLAK 1 Apr 2020
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/04/01/impeachment-manager-adam-schiff-wants-9-11-commission-on-coronavirus-what-went-wrong/
I'm done with all these commissions. They rarely change anything and they cost us tax payers dearly. Also, it seems like the time to do this could be put to better use, specially right now. Looking for someone to blame is not progressive thinking.
Remember this anti american piece of shit?
What does the Republican platform from 64 years ago have to do with what is happening today with the anti-American zealots?
We are surrounded by anti-American zealots.Adam misses the spot light.
Impeachment Manager Adam Schiff Wants ‘9/11 Commission’ on Coronavirus: ‘What Went Wrong’?
JOEL B. POLLAK 1 Apr 2020
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/04/01/impeachment-manager-adam-schiff-wants-9-11-commission-on-coronavirus-what-went-wrong/
That platform from 64 years ago (thanks for doing the math) would truly "Make America Great Again". But, I think you already know that. You just like to show everyone here how darn clever you are.
Adam misses the spot light.
Yep. Although he's fortunate this mass hysteria has taken the spotlight off the continually crumbling Russian Manchurian Candidate Conspiracy Theory.
Nothing more anti-american than the current police state we all willingly allow
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/how_a_police_state_is_born.html
I do not like what I've been seeing. It's essentially martial law, without people so much as batting an eye.It truly is terrible. I will never look at my community the same way again after this that's for sure.
Remember this anti american piece of shit?1. Low income communities don't receive federal assistance?
1. Low income communities don't receive federal assistance?
2. Social Security still exists as far as I know. It is even greatly expanded with SSI.
3. We literally have millions of illegals (refugees). How many more would you like?
4. How much should the minimum wage be? $15, $25, $50 an hour? Why not make it $500 an hour?
5. We still have unemployment benefits. Literally millions have signed up this week. How much more free money do we need to give to non working people?
6. The unions have killed themselves with their ridiculous demands forcing companies to choose to hire a foreign workforce. On a philosophic or ideological note why should an employer be forced to deal with a union anyway? If I hire people for a job and they agree to the salary and benefits why should they be allowed to force me to pay them more? I would fire all of their asses and either hire a new workforce or shut the whole company down altogether before I would be held hostage by ungrateful employees. Let them invest their own money in building a profitable company.
7. Women get equal pay if they do the same jobs as men for the same amount of time. This myth of unequal pay was debunked a long time ago. If corporations could really pay 70% less for women why would they ever hire men?
Don't try and confuse people with the facts.It's a hopeless endeavor I know.
Mara Gay Says It’s ‘Disturbing’ To See American Flags In America, Blames White Trump SupportersThis assholes need to leave our Country.
VIRGINIA KRUTA
ASSOCIATE EDITOR
June 08, 2021
https://dailycaller.com/2021/06/08/mara-gay-new-york-times-msnbc-morning-joe-disturbing-american-flags-capitol-riot-january-6-commission/
This assholes need to leave our Country.
Mara Gay Says It’s ‘Disturbing’ To See American Flags In America, Blames White Trump SupportersReally?
VIRGINIA KRUTA
ASSOCIATE EDITOR
June 08, 2021
https://dailycaller.com/2021/06/08/mara-gay-new-york-times-msnbc-morning-joe-disturbing-american-flags-capitol-riot-january-6-commission/
Whenever I see people fighting to ensure illegal aliens can flood our borders and stay once they make it across the border, I think of one word: anti-american. Or is that two words?
Look at the response to Trump dropping the citizenship question from the census: "we won." Won what? Making it easier for illegal aliens to be counted in the census to try and effect how many representatives of Congress a state may get? Anti-American.
DOJ says citizenship question being dropped from 2020 Census: NY attorney general's office
By Gregg Re | Fox News
It's 'common sense' for the government to know whether or not residents are citizens, says Mercedes Schlapp, White House director of strategic communications.
The New York attorney general’s office said Tuesday the Justice Department has decided to print the 2020 Census without the citizenship question sought by the Trump administration, ending a contentious legal dispute over an issue that could soon affect the makeup of Congress and the Electoral College.
The Supreme Court ruled last week that the question couldn't be added for now, as civil rights groups argued that the Trump administration's reasons for including the question were merely pretextual efforts to discourage illegal immigrants from responding to the Census. Population counts from the Census are used to apportion House seats among the 50 states.
In a tweet on Monday, Daniel Jacobson, who worked in the White House Counsel’s Office under President Obama, said a trial attorney at the Justice Department told him that "the printer has been instructed to begin the printing process" without the citizenship question.
"We won," Jacobson wrote.
Daniel Jacobson
@Dan_F_Jacobson
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HUGE CENSUS NEWS — the Government just advised that the decision has been made to print the the census questionnaire WITHOUT the citizenship question. We won.
Daniel Jacobson
@Dan_F_Jacobson
Here’s the email from DOJ
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House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings, D-Md., issued a less-than-celebratory statement calling for answers, even as he praised the decision to scrap the citizenship question.
"I am encouraged that Administration officials dropped President Trump’s unconstitutional plan to postpone the Census just because he lost the Supreme Court case," Cummings said. "The Trump Administration put our country through more than a year of wasted time and squandered resources—all in the service of an illegal attempt to add a discriminatory question based on a pretext. Now they need to direct all their attention to the nuts and bolts of putting on the Census next year. The Census Bureau has a responsibility under the Constitution to get an accurate count."
Cummings continued: "The Attorney General and the Secretary of Commerce must now turn over all of the documents our Committee has subpoenaed on a bipartisan basis."
The White House didn't immediately comment on the decision. Spokespeople for the U.S. Census Bureau have not responded to emails or phone calls seeking comment.
President Trump had tweeted that he had asked lawyers if the count can be delayed until the Supreme Court can reevaluate the matter, based on additional evidence supporting the administration's justifications for adding the citizenship question.
The Supreme Court, in its ruling last week, did not prohibit a citizenship question out of hand but dismissed the administration's provided rationale. The court suggested it would be open to different arguments from the White House.
However, experts responded that any delay could gum up the U.S. Census Bureau's finely calibrated timetable for the 10-year count. Monday was the deadline to start printing the 600 million documents that will be mailed to 130 million households for next April's census count.
For months, the Trump administration had argued that the courts needed to decide quickly whether the citizenship question could be added to the 2020 census because of the looming deadline.
"I think it's very important to find out if somebody is a citizen as opposed to an illegal," Trump told reporters Monday. "There's a big difference to me between being a citizen of the United States and being an illegal."
Former President Barack Obama's administration didn't ask the citizenship question in the 2010 census. The citizenship question was last asked on the census in 1950, but beginning in 1970, a citizenship question was asked in a long-form questionnaire sent to a relatively small number of households, alongside the main census. In 2010, there was no long-form questionnaire.
"There is no credible argument to be made that asking about citizenship subverts the Constitution and federal law," Chapman University law professor and constitutional law expert John Eastman told Fox News.
From a logistical standpoint, any delay "would be a nightmare," said John Thompson, who served as Census Bureau director during Obama's second term.
The bureau already has been in the process of signing almost 250 office leases across the U.S. and has hired 1,500 specialists partnering with community organizations to encourage people to participate in the census. More than 170,000 recruits already have filled out applications for the almost half-million positions being created for the count. The bureau has helped set up more than 1,500 committees nationwide working to get everyone to respond.
Furthermore, Congress would have to change the law for the count to be delayed because Title 13 of the U.S. Code mandates that it take place on April 1, 2020, Thompson said.
"I don't think there's any ambiguity, but I'm not a lawyer," Thompson said.
Both the census and the way individual congressional districts are crafted can change the balance of power on Capitol Hill; Shannon Bream, Fox News chief legal correspondent and anchor of 'Fox News @ Night,' reports.
Fewer people are expected to fill out the questionnaires using paper than in years past because the bureau for the first time is relying on most respondents to use the Internet to answer questions. Still, printed postcards and letters are to be sent out next March reminding residents it's time to answer the questionnaire, and those who don't respond digitally are expected to be mailed paper questionnaires.
As recently as last week, the Trump administration's solicitor general wrote in court papers that the Census Bureau needed to finalize the questions by June. Any changes to the paper questionnaire after June would impair the bureau's ability to conduct the count in a timely manner, wrote the solicitor general, Noel Francisco.
More than two dozen Democrats in the U.S. Senate last week sent a letter urging Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross to drop any further pursuit of the citizenship question because it would delay the bureau's ability to conduct the count.
"The 2020 Census is less than half a year away, and any unnecessary delay in operations would impact the ability of the Census Bureau to count every person in our country," the letter read.
This past May, Montana Republican Sen. Steve Daines introduced legislation that would require the census to include a citizenship question.
"This is America," Daines told Fox News at the time. "We are a sovereign nation. It's absurd that we don't know how many citizens and non-citizens are living in this country. That's why I'm introducing this bill to require a citizenship question on the census - and ensure that states harboring millions of illegal immigrants are not rewarded with additional taxpayer dollars."
Fox News' Jake Gibson and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-says-citizenship-question-being-dropped-from-2020-census-ny-attorney-generals-office
Mara Gay Says It’s ‘Disturbing’ To See American Flags In America, Blames White Trump Supporters
VIRGINIA KRUTA
ASSOCIATE EDITOR
June 08, 2021
https://dailycaller.com/2021/06/08/mara-gay-new-york-times-msnbc-morning-joe-disturbing-american-flags-capitol-riot-january-6-commission/
Mara Gay Says It’s ‘Disturbing’ To See American Flags In America, Blames White Trump Supporters
VIRGINIA KRUTA
ASSOCIATE EDITOR
June 08, 2021
https://dailycaller.com/2021/06/08/mara-gay-new-york-times-msnbc-morning-joe-disturbing-american-flags-capitol-riot-january-6-commission/
US Olympic athlete Chelsea Wolfe threatened to burn flag on podiumThis is unreal.
BMX Freestyle rider Chelsea Wolfe identifies as a trans woman
By Evie Fordham | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-olympic-athlete-chelsea-wolfe-burn-flag-podium
US Olympic athlete Chelsea Wolfe threatened to burn flag on podiumWhat's a trans woman? Is that a dude that wants to be a chick or the other way around?
BMX Freestyle rider Chelsea Wolfe identifies as a trans woman
By Evie Fordham | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-olympic-athlete-chelsea-wolfe-burn-flag-podium
What's a trans woman? Is that a dude that wants to be a chick or the other way around?
What's a trans woman? Is that a dude that wants to be a chick or the other way around?dude that wants to be a chick
Macy Gray on the American flag: 'I shouldn't have to salute it, I shouldn't have to honor it'
aol ^ | June 21, 2021 | TARYN RYDER
Posted on 6/28/2021, 10:22:11 AM by MarvinStinson
Macy Gray isn't backing down from her controversial stance that the American flag should be redesigned.
The 53-year-old Grammy-winning singer elicited mixed reactions over a Juneteenth op-ed she wrote for MarketWatch that quickly went viral. In the piece, Gray compared the U.S. flag to the Confederate flag, calling it "tattered, dated, divisive and incorrect." She doubled down on her assertion on Monday.
"Why do we have to celebrate a flag that now represents divisiveness and hate?" she declared.
Gray felt the need for change more than ever on Jan. 6, when she watched rioters storm the U.S. Capitol, many of whom carried American flags.
"The people there held it up as their symbol as 'this is what America represents,'" Gray continued. "'We're threatening to hang the vice president and our gang sign is the flag.'"
Gray said she "shouldn't have to salute" the current flag.
"I shouldn't have to honor it, I shouldn't have to pledge to it," she explained. "All I'm saying is let's redesign the flag for the rest of us who aren't a part of that tribe."
"The Smithsonian documents that the 'white' stripes represent purity and innocence. America is great. It is beautiful. Pure, it ain’t. It is broken and in pieces," she stated.
The latest change in the American flag was more than 60 years ago, when the new states Alaska and Hawaii were given stars.
"Sixty-two years later, in 2021, we have changed and it’s time for a reset, a transformation. One that represents all states and all of us," Gray concluded.
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In my mind, this is not anti-American. It is in fact, very American to me. It's the freedom to voice your opinion.
That's what this is about, you don't have to do shit because it's a free country. You don't like it... leave. It's impossible to have a flag that represents everyone. Our flag represents our country.
She, like that 3rd place losing idiot in the hammer throw, keep choosing to ignore that we had a civil war over this. Nothing will ever satisfy these people. Just ignore them is my feeling lately.
I agree, best to ignore it. But sometimes, I am bewildered at what some people have the audacity to say.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gwen-berry-olympic-athlete-protest-b1874234.html
Go figure - Biden FAIL supports her.
Why the heck is she representing America when she hates America??This. She worked her ass off her entire life to get there and then chooses to act this way at the pinnacle of her life?
This. She worked her ass off her entire life to get there and then chooses to act this way at the pinnacle of her life?
This. She worked her ass off her entire life to get there and then chooses to act this way at the pinnacle of her life?
Here's what real Anti-American looks like
ESPN writer troubled by American flag at Olympics: 'I keep thinking back on the Capitol riots'
William Rhoden: 'I had it wrong. Nationalism is not good'
By David Rutz | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/media/espn-writer-american-flag-olympics-capitol-riots
It just amazes me.
Liberal nut bag
"So now when I see the flag and the flag raised, what — what America am I living in? You know, are the ones that don't think, you know, we should be here?" he went on, referring to him and other African Americans.
ESPN writer troubled by American flag at Olympics: 'I keep thinking back on the Capitol riots'
William Rhoden: 'I had it wrong. Nationalism is not good'
By David Rutz | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/media/espn-writer-american-flag-olympics-capitol-riots
Severe mental illness.They have always hated America, the "Capitol Riots" are just an excuse to bring it out now.
They have always hated America, the "Capitol Riots" are just an excuse to bring it out now.
Someone should have told him he's living in one of the most progressive countries and times in all of history, that millions of other people in the world would change places with him in an instant, and he's a fucking idiot.
Severe mental illness.
I hope this didn't really happen. :-\
COUP: General Milley Secretly Pledged to Warn Chinese Communist Party if Trump Planned a Strike.
Excerpts from the new Bob Woodward book reveal a partisan coup at the heart of the U.S. government.
by Raheem Kassam and Natalie Winters
September 14, 2021
https://thenationalpulse.com/news/coup-general-milley-secretly-pledged-to-warn-chinese-communist-party-if-trump-planned-a-strike/
I hope this didn't really happen. :-\If this is true he needs to be tried at once.
COUP: General Milley Secretly Pledged to Warn Chinese Communist Party if Trump Planned a Strike.
Excerpts from the new Bob Woodward book reveal a partisan coup at the heart of the U.S. government.
by Raheem Kassam and Natalie Winters
September 14, 2021
https://thenationalpulse.com/news/coup-general-milley-secretly-pledged-to-warn-chinese-communist-party-if-trump-planned-a-strike/
If this is true he needs to be tried at once.
'DC Comics announced over the weekend during its FanDome event that Superman’s motto is being changed to “Truth, Justice and a Better Tomorrow.”'
https://wabcradio.com/2021/10/18/dc-comics-drops-american-way-from-supermans-motto-changes-it-to-a-better-tomorrow/
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Illegal migrants first to get ‘pallets’ of hard-to-find baby formulaIt gets more insane and America last every day.
by Paul Bedard, Washington Secrets Columnist | | May 12, 2022
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/illegal-migrants-first-to-get-pallets-of-hard-to-find-baby-formula
It gets more insane and America last every day.
Democrat Tim Kaine’s Wife Denounces Declaration of Independence, Constitution as ‘Fundamental in Enshrining Slavery’These people are just crazy. WTF
BRECCAN F. THIES
3 Feb 2023
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/03/democrat-tim-kaines-wife-denounces-declaration-of-independence-constitution-as-fundamental-in-enshrining-slavery/
These people are just crazy. WTFThey have to keep the woke crowd happy.
They have to keep the woke crowd happy.
I am curious, if liberals are ‘woke’, does it follow that conservatives are still asleep? Maybe it is time they woke up and smelled the coffee. ;)If that means supporting pedophiles, trannies, drag queens and race baiters I'd rather stay asleep.
If that means supporting pedophiles, trannies, drag queens and race baiters I'd rather stay asleep.
Prime,
Do you support pedophiles, trannies, drag queens and race baiters?
Prime,
Do you support pedophiles, trannies, drag queens and race baiters?
If he votes Democrat then he is that and worse. Whether or not he owns his voting record or plays the titled gentry doling out goblesse oblige is of little matter for his support of this perverse bAdministration marks him as willing participant for Biden & Co.
No. But maybe it means that you do. :) Just kidding - I am fairly sure you are a upstanding person who happens to have a sick sense of humor.
As for transexuals, while I have some difficulty understanding this... what other folks do, including undergoing gender reassignment surgery is their business and has no impact on me. Guess you could say I am neutral on this topic... neither support nor not-support it.
Some drag queens are amusing when they parody females. If I held stock in Max Factor or owned a wig store, I would really appreciate all they go through to entertain other folks. One time in the late 70’s my wife and I got tickets to the Darcelle XV Showplace in downtown Portland. He opened Darcelle’s in 1967 and it has remained successful ever since. The show goes on despite Darcelle’s passing last March at 93 years of age. https://www.darcellexv.com
I had to google ‘race-baiter’ because it was not clear to me what that term meant. Having done this, I can safely say that I am the opposite of a race-baiter. Just ask any of my many good friends who are not the same race as me.
YES
We've gone from The Greatest Generation, where young men lied about their age so they could serve and die for their country, to this.Those who died fighting for all this are probably rolling over in their graves.
By the numbers: Overall, 39% of U.S. adults say they are "extremely proud" to be American in the most recent poll.
Meanwhile, only 18% of those aged 18-34 said the same, compared to 40% of those aged 35-54 and 50% of those 55 and over.
By comparison, in 2013, 85% of those aged 18-29 said they were "extremely" or "very" proud to be an American.
Poll: Youth sour on America
Sareen Habeshian
Jul 24, 2023 - Politics & Policy
https://www.axios.com/2023/07/25/millennials-gen-z-american-pride-decline-patriotism
House Democrats have introduced a bill that would strip Secret Service protection from convicted felons sentenced to prison, a move directly targeting former President Trump who is currently on criminal trial in New York City for alleged hush money payments made during the 2016 election campaign and faces several other cases which could land him behind bars.
Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., the former chair of the now disbanded Jan. 6 congressional committee, introduced legislation that would automatically nix Secret Service protection for those who have been convicted of a federal or state felony that carries a minimum one-year prison term.
The proposed bill is provocatively called the "Denying Infinite Security and Government Resources Allocated toward Convicted and Extremely Dishonorable (DISGRACED) Former Protectees Act.
Unfortunately, current law doesn’t anticipate how Secret Service protection would impact the felony prison sentence of a protectee—even a former President," Thompson said in a statement.
"It is regrettable that it has come to this, but this previously unthought-of scenario could become our reality."
A so-called "fact sheet" accompanying Thompson’s statement notes that Trump is facing an "unprecedented 91 felony charges in federal and state courts" which have "created a new exigency that Congress must address to ensure Secret Service protection does not interfere with the criminal judicial process and the administration of justice."
The one-page document also states that the bill would apply to former President Trump should he be convicted of a felony, as well as to all Secret Service protectees convicted and sentenced under felony charges.
It notes that current law does not contemplate how Secret Service security would be administered to a protectee serving jail time and it therefore may pose logistical difficulties for both the Secret Service and prison authorities.
The proposed bill, Thompson says, would avoid such complications with incarcerating former President Trump should he be ordered to serve jail time.
"Therefore, it is necessary for us to be prepared and update the law so the American people can be assured that protective status does not translate into special treatment—and that those who are sentenced to prison will indeed serve the time required of them," Thompson said.
It would also address suggestions that any potential conviction of Trump would likely result in some form of home confinement rather than prison time, given his Secret Service protection.
This bill would remove the potential for conflicting lines of authority within prisons and allow judges to weigh the sentencing of individuals without having to factor in the logistical concerns of convicts with Secret Service protection," the document states.
Secret Service protection is afforded to current presidents and their family members as well as former presidents and other high level officials. Protection was expanded to major party presidential nominees following the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, although his son has not been provided with Secret Service protection for his 2024 independent run.
As well as the hush money trial, Trump is charged in Georgia with trying to overturn the 2020 election in a racketeering case. He also has upcoming trials in Florida over his alleged hoarding of classified White House documents and in Washington D.C., where he is accused of conspiring to overturn the results of his election loss.
He has pleaded not guilty to all charges.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-look-strip-secret-service-protection-trump-convicted