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Anti-American
« on: July 02, 2019, 03:09:36 PM »
Whenever I see people fighting to ensure illegal aliens can flood our borders and stay once they make it across the border, I think of one word:  anti-american.  Or is that two words? 

Look at the response to Trump dropping the citizenship question from the census:  "we won."  Won what?  Making it easier for illegal aliens to be counted in the census to try and effect how many representatives of Congress a state may get?  Anti-American. 

DOJ says citizenship question being dropped from 2020 Census: NY attorney general's office
By Gregg Re | Fox News

It's 'common sense' for the government to know whether or not residents are citizens, says Mercedes Schlapp, White House director of strategic communications.

The New York attorney general’s office said Tuesday the Justice Department has decided to print the 2020 Census without the citizenship question sought by the Trump administration, ending a contentious legal dispute over an issue that could soon affect the makeup of Congress and the Electoral College.

The Supreme Court ruled last week that the question couldn't be added for now, as civil rights groups argued that the Trump administration's reasons for including the question were merely pretextual efforts to discourage illegal immigrants from responding to the Census. Population counts from the Census are used to apportion House seats among the 50 states.


In a tweet on Monday, Daniel Jacobson, who worked in the White House Counsel’s Office under President Obama, said a trial attorney at the Justice Department told him that "the printer has been instructed to begin the printing process" without the citizenship question.

"We won," Jacobson wrote.

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House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings, D-Md., issued a less-than-celebratory statement calling for answers, even as he praised the decision to scrap the citizenship question.

"I am encouraged that Administration officials dropped President Trump’s unconstitutional plan to postpone the Census just because he lost the Supreme Court case," Cummings said. "The Trump Administration put our country through more than a year of wasted time and squandered resources—all in the service of an illegal attempt to add a discriminatory question based on a pretext.  Now they need to direct all their attention to the nuts and bolts of putting on the Census next year.  The Census Bureau has a responsibility under the Constitution to get an accurate count."

Cummings continued: "The Attorney General and the Secretary of Commerce must now turn over all of the documents our Committee has subpoenaed on a bipartisan basis."

The White House didn't immediately comment on the decision. Spokespeople for the U.S. Census Bureau have not responded to emails or phone calls seeking comment.

President Trump had tweeted that he had asked lawyers if the count can be delayed until the Supreme Court can reevaluate the matter, based on additional evidence supporting the administration's justifications for adding the citizenship question.

The Supreme Court, in its ruling last week, did not prohibit a citizenship question out of hand but dismissed the administration's provided rationale. The court suggested it would be open to different arguments from the White House.

However, experts responded that any delay could gum up the U.S. Census Bureau's finely calibrated timetable for the 10-year count. Monday was the deadline to start printing the 600 million documents that will be mailed to 130 million households for next April's census count.

For months, the Trump administration had argued that the courts needed to decide quickly whether the citizenship question could be added to the 2020 census because of the looming deadline.

"I think it's very important to find out if somebody is a citizen as opposed to an illegal," Trump told reporters Monday. "There's a big difference to me between being a citizen of the United States and being an illegal."

Former President Barack Obama's administration didn't ask the citizenship question in the 2010 census. The citizenship question was last asked on the census in 1950, but beginning in 1970, a citizenship question was asked in a long-form questionnaire sent to a relatively small number of households, alongside the main census. In 2010, there was no long-form questionnaire.

"There is no credible argument to be made that asking about citizenship subverts the Constitution and federal law," Chapman University law professor and constitutional law expert John Eastman told Fox News.

From a logistical standpoint, any delay "would be a nightmare," said John Thompson, who served as Census Bureau director during Obama's second term.

The bureau already has been in the process of signing almost 250 office leases across the U.S. and has hired 1,500 specialists partnering with community organizations to encourage people to participate in the census. More than 170,000 recruits already have filled out applications for the almost half-million positions being created for the count. The bureau has helped set up more than 1,500 committees nationwide working to get everyone to respond.

Furthermore, Congress would have to change the law for the count to be delayed because Title 13 of the U.S. Code mandates that it take place on April 1, 2020, Thompson said.

"I don't think there's any ambiguity, but I'm not a lawyer," Thompson said.

Both the census and the way individual congressional districts are crafted can change the balance of power on Capitol Hill; Shannon Bream, Fox News chief legal correspondent and anchor of 'Fox News @ Night,' reports.

Fewer people are expected to fill out the questionnaires using paper than in years past because the bureau for the first time is relying on most respondents to use the Internet to answer questions. Still, printed postcards and letters are to be sent out next March reminding residents it's time to answer the questionnaire, and those who don't respond digitally are expected to be mailed paper questionnaires.

As recently as last week, the Trump administration's solicitor general wrote in court papers that the Census Bureau needed to finalize the questions by June. Any changes to the paper questionnaire after June would impair the bureau's ability to conduct the count in a timely manner, wrote the solicitor general, Noel Francisco.

More than two dozen Democrats in the U.S. Senate last week sent a letter urging Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross to drop any further pursuit of the citizenship question because it would delay the bureau's ability to conduct the count.

"The 2020 Census is less than half a year away, and any unnecessary delay in operations would impact the ability of the Census Bureau to count every person in our country," the letter read.

This past May, Montana Republican Sen. Steve Daines introduced legislation that would require the census to include a citizenship question.

"This is America," Daines told Fox News at the time. "We are a sovereign nation. It's absurd that we don't know how many citizens and non-citizens are living in this country. That's why I'm introducing this bill to require a citizenship question on the census - and ensure that states harboring millions of illegal immigrants are not rewarded with additional taxpayer dollars."

Fox News' Jake Gibson and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-says-citizenship-question-being-dropped-from-2020-census-ny-attorney-generals-office

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2019, 03:49:35 PM »
I'm up in the air on the question. Either way, the stats are skewed based on my experience. There's a few different versions that randomly go out and it has a 10 + year impact on a plethora of things, not just gov't.  Having an accurate count of people regardless of race or citizenship is most important.  Having worked for the the Dept. of Commerce, including the decennials, many people refuse to answer some or all of the questions.  The 2020 is going to be a huge PITA.  I'd be afraid (safety wise) to be a Census worker in any capacity this time around.
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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2019, 04:00:24 PM »
I'm up in the air on the question. Either way, the stats are skewed based on my experience. There's a few different versions that randomly go out and it has a 10 + year impact on a plethora of things, not just gov't.  Having an accurate count of people regardless of race or citizenship is most important.  Having worked for the the Dept. of Commerce, including the decennials, many people refuse to answer some or all of the questions.  The 2020 is going to be a huge PITA.  I'd be afraid (safety wise) to be a Census worker in any capacity this time around.

Why do you think it's important to count illegal aliens?  Only thing I can think of is something like making infrastructure decisions based on population growth? 

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2019, 05:29:01 PM »
Technically, it does say "persons" in the constitution, but there is also no legal reason why they cannot ask that question as well.

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2019, 05:53:17 PM »
Technically, it does say "persons" in the constitution, but there is also no legal reason why they cannot ask that question as well.

Do you really believe "persons" was meant to include illegal aliens? 

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2019, 06:45:52 PM »
Do you really believe "persons" was meant to include illegal aliens?  
I am going to say, No, because at that time it wasn't so much of a defined term so if they were around today I am sure they would make it more clear to only include citizens due to the representation aspect.

 Literally, I think it did mean that back then.

Does that make sense in how I am explaining that? So the ruling was bogus, imo.

I could be wrong as I haven't looked too hard into the term "persons" at that time.

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2019, 02:39:24 PM »
My issue is why have laws agains it then? 

Its BS.  More corruption.

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2019, 02:42:59 PM »
I am going to say, No, because at that time it wasn't so much of a defined term so if they were around today I am sure they would make it more clear to only include citizens due to the representation aspect.

 Literally, I think it did mean that back then.

Does that make sense in how I am explaining that? So the ruling was bogus, imo.

I could be wrong as I haven't looked too hard into the term "persons" at that time.

I don't think it takes more than common sense.  We have borders.  We don't allow foreigners to come here without going through a process.  There is no way the framers intended to decide political representation based in part on how many illegal aliens are in a particular district. 

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2019, 11:13:20 PM »
Do you really believe "persons" was meant to include illegal aliens? 


They just called them invaders back then...

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2019, 09:24:32 AM »

They just called them invaders back then...

Good word.  Applies today too. 

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2019, 09:35:02 AM »
If you illegally cross the border into country X waving the flag of the country you come from that is not X, then you are invading country X and should be killed as an invader.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2019, 07:19:52 PM »
Whenever I see people fighting to ensure illegal aliens can flood our borders and stay once they make it across the border, I think of one word:  anti-american.  Or is that two words? 

Look at the response to Trump dropping the citizenship question from the census:  "we won."  Won what?  Making it easier for illegal aliens to be counted in the census to try and effect how many representatives of Congress a state may get?  Anti-American. 

DOJ says citizenship question being dropped from 2020 Census: NY attorney general's office
By Gregg Re | Fox News

It's 'common sense' for the government to know whether or not residents are citizens, says Mercedes Schlapp, White House director of strategic communications.

The New York attorney general’s office said Tuesday the Justice Department has decided to print the 2020 Census without the citizenship question sought by the Trump administration, ending a contentious legal dispute over an issue that could soon affect the makeup of Congress and the Electoral College.

The Supreme Court ruled last week that the question couldn't be added for now, as civil rights groups argued that the Trump administration's reasons for including the question were merely pretextual efforts to discourage illegal immigrants from responding to the Census. Population counts from the Census are used to apportion House seats among the 50 states.


In a tweet on Monday, Daniel Jacobson, who worked in the White House Counsel’s Office under President Obama, said a trial attorney at the Justice Department told him that "the printer has been instructed to begin the printing process" without the citizenship question.

"We won," Jacobson wrote.

Daniel Jacobson
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House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings, D-Md., issued a less-than-celebratory statement calling for answers, even as he praised the decision to scrap the citizenship question.

"I am encouraged that Administration officials dropped President Trump’s unconstitutional plan to postpone the Census just because he lost the Supreme Court case," Cummings said. "The Trump Administration put our country through more than a year of wasted time and squandered resources—all in the service of an illegal attempt to add a discriminatory question based on a pretext.  Now they need to direct all their attention to the nuts and bolts of putting on the Census next year.  The Census Bureau has a responsibility under the Constitution to get an accurate count."

Cummings continued: "The Attorney General and the Secretary of Commerce must now turn over all of the documents our Committee has subpoenaed on a bipartisan basis."

The White House didn't immediately comment on the decision. Spokespeople for the U.S. Census Bureau have not responded to emails or phone calls seeking comment.

President Trump had tweeted that he had asked lawyers if the count can be delayed until the Supreme Court can reevaluate the matter, based on additional evidence supporting the administration's justifications for adding the citizenship question.

The Supreme Court, in its ruling last week, did not prohibit a citizenship question out of hand but dismissed the administration's provided rationale. The court suggested it would be open to different arguments from the White House.

However, experts responded that any delay could gum up the U.S. Census Bureau's finely calibrated timetable for the 10-year count. Monday was the deadline to start printing the 600 million documents that will be mailed to 130 million households for next April's census count.

For months, the Trump administration had argued that the courts needed to decide quickly whether the citizenship question could be added to the 2020 census because of the looming deadline.

"I think it's very important to find out if somebody is a citizen as opposed to an illegal," Trump told reporters Monday. "There's a big difference to me between being a citizen of the United States and being an illegal."

Former President Barack Obama's administration didn't ask the citizenship question in the 2010 census. The citizenship question was last asked on the census in 1950, but beginning in 1970, a citizenship question was asked in a long-form questionnaire sent to a relatively small number of households, alongside the main census. In 2010, there was no long-form questionnaire.

"There is no credible argument to be made that asking about citizenship subverts the Constitution and federal law," Chapman University law professor and constitutional law expert John Eastman told Fox News.

From a logistical standpoint, any delay "would be a nightmare," said John Thompson, who served as Census Bureau director during Obama's second term.

The bureau already has been in the process of signing almost 250 office leases across the U.S. and has hired 1,500 specialists partnering with community organizations to encourage people to participate in the census. More than 170,000 recruits already have filled out applications for the almost half-million positions being created for the count. The bureau has helped set up more than 1,500 committees nationwide working to get everyone to respond.

Furthermore, Congress would have to change the law for the count to be delayed because Title 13 of the U.S. Code mandates that it take place on April 1, 2020, Thompson said.

"I don't think there's any ambiguity, but I'm not a lawyer," Thompson said.

Both the census and the way individual congressional districts are crafted can change the balance of power on Capitol Hill; Shannon Bream, Fox News chief legal correspondent and anchor of 'Fox News @ Night,' reports.

Fewer people are expected to fill out the questionnaires using paper than in years past because the bureau for the first time is relying on most respondents to use the Internet to answer questions. Still, printed postcards and letters are to be sent out next March reminding residents it's time to answer the questionnaire, and those who don't respond digitally are expected to be mailed paper questionnaires.

As recently as last week, the Trump administration's solicitor general wrote in court papers that the Census Bureau needed to finalize the questions by June. Any changes to the paper questionnaire after June would impair the bureau's ability to conduct the count in a timely manner, wrote the solicitor general, Noel Francisco.

More than two dozen Democrats in the U.S. Senate last week sent a letter urging Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross to drop any further pursuit of the citizenship question because it would delay the bureau's ability to conduct the count.

"The 2020 Census is less than half a year away, and any unnecessary delay in operations would impact the ability of the Census Bureau to count every person in our country," the letter read.

This past May, Montana Republican Sen. Steve Daines introduced legislation that would require the census to include a citizenship question.

"This is America," Daines told Fox News at the time. "We are a sovereign nation. It's absurd that we don't know how many citizens and non-citizens are living in this country. That's why I'm introducing this bill to require a citizenship question on the census - and ensure that states harboring millions of illegal immigrants are not rewarded with additional taxpayer dollars."

Fox News' Jake Gibson and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-says-citizenship-question-being-dropped-from-2020-census-ny-attorney-generals-office

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2019, 12:05:56 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2019, 12:55:27 PM »
What is really Anti_American is to weaponize the census for political gains (which is what correspondence between the people in the administration and key Republican operatives has revealed is the motive)

According to the latest research outlined by the Census Bureau earlier this month, the question would reduce response rates for non-citizens by 8 percentage points. (The research assumes that the question wouldn’t affect response rates in households of U.S. citizens.) That translates to an overall drop of 2.2 percentage points for all households. Such a decline is expected to drive up costs and require additional follow-up for people who don't respond.

So the Census Bureau themselves have revealed that this question would result in LESS PARTICIPATION and LESS ACCURATE RESULTS

Note to Trumptards - Non-Citizens does not only mean illegal residents (you know, like the ones that work at Trump golf courses and hotels)


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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2019, 02:21:46 PM »
Amazing... IIFYM creator

Can't believe people think like this



1. I always have to laugh whenever I see or hear a liberal interject God into a statement, as if.

2. This person or any person liberal or otherwise won't ever do this. They all talk shit.

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2019, 02:37:19 PM »
Believe it or not we can secure our borders without being hateful or racist.
That's the America I want. Who's with me?

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2019, 04:42:24 PM »
What is really Anti_American is to weaponize the census for political gains (which is what correspondence between the people in the administration and key Republican operatives has revealed is the motive)

According to the latest research outlined by the Census Bureau earlier this month, the question would reduce response rates for non-citizens by 8 percentage points. (The research assumes that the question wouldn’t affect response rates in households of U.S. citizens.) That translates to an overall drop of 2.2 percentage points for all households. Such a decline is expected to drive up costs and require additional follow-up for people who don't respond.

So the Census Bureau themselves have revealed that this question would result in LESS PARTICIPATION and LESS ACCURATE RESULTS

Note to Trumptards - Non-Citizens does not only mean illegal residents (you know, like the ones that work at Trump golf courses and hotels)



1970
P. 6
https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/1970_questionnaire.pdf

1980
P. 6
https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/1980_long_questionnaire.pdf

1990
p.6
https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/1990_questionnaire.pdf

2000
Q. 13
https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/2000_long_form.pdf

2010
https://www.census.gov/history/www/through_the_decades/questionnaires/2010_overview.html
Citizen question not on the "short form", which was the ONLY form sent out that year (how convenient for the Obama admin)
However, it is on the ACS which is a YEARLY sample that now encompasses many of the questions previously on the decennial.
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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2019, 04:49:15 PM »
Believe it or not we can secure our borders without being hateful or racist.
That's the America I want. Who's with me?

What is hateful or racist about the current situation?
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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2019, 09:53:16 PM »
Believe it or not we can secure our borders without being hateful or racist.
That's the America I want. Who's with me?


Is this a Trump quote?  ;D


If you are serious, then just for asking this AOC says you are hateful and racist. The majority of the dem party is now for open borders and abolishing immigration and border security. You have a total disconnect from the platform.


By 2020 you will be voting Trump.

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2019, 09:17:14 AM »
What is really Anti_American is to weaponize the census for political gains (which is what correspondence between the people in the administration and key Republican operatives has revealed is the motive)

According to the latest research outlined by the Census Bureau earlier this month, the question would reduce response rates for non-citizens by 8 percentage points. (The research assumes that the question wouldn’t affect response rates in households of U.S. citizens.) That translates to an overall drop of 2.2 percentage points for all households. Such a decline is expected to drive up costs and require additional follow-up for people who don't respond.

So the Census Bureau themselves have revealed that this question would result in LESS PARTICIPATION and LESS ACCURATE RESULTS

Note to Trumptards - Non-Citizens does not only mean illegal residents (you know, like the ones that work at Trump golf courses and hotels)


Nothing and I mean nothing happens in your life without you finding a way to put Trump into the conversation.
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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2019, 02:51:35 PM »
It’s really just vote buying. Let illegals in, then give them bennies and a path to citizenship. Which party are they gonna support?

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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2019, 04:44:46 PM »
It’s really just vote buying. Let illegals in, then give them bennies and a path to citizenship. Which party are they gonna support?
Yes, that is the goal for the democrat leaders but your typical libtard on here isn't smart (or honest) enough to figure that out.

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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2019, 11:23:01 AM »
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None of the other members of Maher's panel wanted to see the U.S. stumble.

"I'm not wishing for a recession," Tom Nichols, author of "The Death of Expertise," said.

"Neither am I," Washington Post columnist Catherine Rampell agreed.

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But Maher -- a multimillionaire whose investments include a stake in MLB's New York Mets -- tried to make the case that economic hardship for the nation might help him and other liberals realize their dream of preventing a second Trump term.

"You should wish for a recession because that would definitely get [Trump] unelected," Maher shot back, earning him a few claps from his Los Angeles studio audience.

Another guest, former White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci, attempted to lower the temperature of the conversation.

"You don't really want a recession," Scaramucci tried to convince Maher.

"I really do," the host replied. "We have survived many recessions, we can't survive another Donald Trump term."

Last week, Maher had revived his stance that a recession would be "worth it"  because it would hurt Trump's reelection.

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2019, 02:01:55 PM »
Maher...well, they just can't help but out themselves. Of course a recession doesn't hit a multimillionaire the way it hits the average voter so just another limousine liberal showing their true colors here.

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Re: Anti-American
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2019, 04:31:09 PM »
Good point and see no problem with a citizenship question on the census.
In fact, several can be LEGAL immigrants but not full citizens.
In my opinion everyone counted needs to be some form of legal resident.

Oddly enough, I agree with you regarding citizenship questions as part of the census. I'm going to go a step further and say everyone should be counted regardless of whether they are legal residents.