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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #75 on: January 19, 2022, 03:45:42 PM »
97% of Ireland is vaxxed and most of my friends in their 30s who were triple vaxxed and over Christmas all of their families got infected.
I had 3 days of a flu I think was delta about 4 months ago and that was it

far from it
Dont let the media fool you
Stats like that are intended to make people take up the vax if they think they are in such a small minority

In England they said it was 5% unvaxed, its more like 30%

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #76 on: January 19, 2022, 03:48:20 PM »
far from it
Dont let the media fool you
Stats like that are intended to make people take up the vax if they think they are in such a small minority

In England they said it was 5% unvaxed, its more like 30%

England is only 30% fully vaxxed?

Post your source fool!

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #77 on: January 19, 2022, 03:55:20 PM »
Don't think vaccines "work"....check out these stats.

Mind Blowing.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1256999/number-covid-hospitalizations-canada-by-vaccination-status/

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Although the Covid vaccines have shown some efficacy in preventing hospitalizations, your study is a pile of shit at best.

YOUR study says takes all hospitalizations from Dec 2020 through Dec 2021 and says about 40,000 we’re unvaccinated and 10,000 were partially or full vaccinated.

The problem is almost no one was fully vaccinated for the first quarter (that’s 3 months oak…) and it was mid September 2021 before Canada was 50% FULLY VACCINATED.

So obviously your stats are shit. Also you need to look at hospitalization rates for each month.

No real scientist would have ever thrown this shitty paper together without being laughed at in the past. Now idiots like you are propping them up. You need to look at equal groups of vaxxed/unvaxxed and follow them to see real results. No one doing that right now AND WE SHOULD ALL BE WONDERING WHY.

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #78 on: January 19, 2022, 03:56:38 PM »
England is only 30% fully vaxxed?

Post your source fool!

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30% unvaxed you silly c.unt

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #79 on: January 19, 2022, 04:02:32 PM »

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

People vaccinated
First dose total
52,151,643

Second dose total
48,019,069

Booster or third dose total
36,621,671

United Kingdom/Population
67.22 million (2020)

so thats 19 million unvaccinated

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #80 on: January 19, 2022, 04:03:06 PM »

It's really odd that the world won't admit that the vaccines are a disappointment and we need a new approach.

Naturally I knew this would be the case several months ago. Even highlighted the solution they should have been chasing all along.

The soggy crew on here continue to bury their head in the sand.

Your taxes or some variation of it paid for vaccinations. Are you really oblivious to that fact?

There is never gonna be any eradication of the covid-19 even with 100% vaccination uptake. The sooner you except accept the better, because there is no alternative. Once everyone has been infected the virus becomes even more insignificant than it already is. The solution has always been to let the virus run. A working antiviral would have allowed for this with minimal distribution disruption.

Also lol@ you thinking Vaccines are the first line of defence. No, that would be your immune system. Always has been even for the vaccinated.


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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #81 on: January 19, 2022, 04:10:06 PM »
the smallpox vaccine was invented in 1786, it took until the 1950s before it was perfected


I call your small pox and raise you a Thalidomide..


There are problems with this comparison....apples and oranges.

"Thalidomide was introduced in the late 1950s and widely marketed as a safe, over-the-counter sleep sedative. It was eventually sold in 46 countries, though never in the United States. According to an article from Northwestern University, thalidomide sales at the time rivaled those of aspirin.

Around 1960, doctors started prescribing the drug to pregnant women experiencing morning sickness. Doctors and newspapers, however, soon reported that babies whose mothers took thalidomide were being born with phocomelia, a rare condition that causes missing, shortened and flipper-like limbs.

By 1962, most countries where thalidomide was sold banned the drug, but not before it caused an estimated 10,000 children to be born with phocomelia."

Thalidomide was never approved by the FDA for distribution in the U.S.

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #82 on: January 19, 2022, 04:18:59 PM »
It's really odd that the world won't admit that the vaccines are a disappointment and we need a new approach.

What would that approach be? Any ideas? Do you not suppose new medications are being looked at all the time?

"Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes First Oral Antiviral for Treatment of COVID-19"

December 22, 2021

"Two oral antivirals, paxlovid (PDF) and molnupiravir (PDF), were made available for outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19 under FDA emergency use authorization. Both drugs are taken twice daily for five days. Compared with placebo, paxlovid is more effective against hospitalization and death, 88%, than molnupiravir, 33%, but it is in short supply. Treatment with these oral antivirals must begin within five days of symptom onset to maintain product efficacy.

Evusheld (PDF) is the only product to receive FDA emergency use authorization for pre-exposure prophylaxis for COVID-19. It includes two long-acting anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibodies and is intended for the “highest risk immunocompromised patients” for whom vaccination is not expected to be effective. It is not intended as a treatment."

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/covid-19-treatments-what-s-fda-authorized-and-what-works

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #83 on: January 19, 2022, 04:20:10 PM »
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

People vaccinated
First dose total
52,151,643

Second dose total
48,019,069

Booster or third dose total
36,621,671

United Kingdom/Population
67.22 million (2020)

so thats 19 million unvaccinated

First of all you're counting 5 and under in the total population, which is not standard.

Second, who is saying the UK is 5% vaccinated then? You posted the government stats?

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #84 on: January 19, 2022, 05:06:15 PM »
Although the Covid vaccines have shown some efficacy in preventing hospitalizations, your study is a pile of shit at best.

YOUR study says takes all hospitalizations from Dec 2020 through Dec 2021 and says about 40,000 we’re unvaccinated and 10,000 were partially or full vaccinated.

The problem is almost no one was fully vaccinated for the first quarter (that’s 3 months oak…) and it was mid September 2021 before Canada was 50% FULLY VACCINATED.

So obviously your stats are shit. Also you need to look at hospitalization rates for each month.

No real scientist would have ever thrown this shitty paper together without being laughed at in the past. Now idiots like you are propping them up. You need to look at equal groups of vaxxed/unvaxxed and follow them to see real results. No one doing that right now AND WE SHOULD ALL BE WONDERING WHY.

I told him this same thing the first time he posted this a month ago.  He doesn't care, just a troll.

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #85 on: January 19, 2022, 05:13:01 PM »
There are problems with this comparison....apples and oranges.

"Thalidomide was introduced in the late 1950s and widely marketed as a safe, over-the-counter sleep sedative. It was eventually sold in 46 countries, though never in the United States. According to an article from Northwestern University, thalidomide sales at the time rivaled those of aspirin.

Around 1960, doctors started prescribing the drug to pregnant women experiencing morning sickness. Doctors and newspapers, however, soon reported that babies whose mothers took thalidomide were being born with phocomelia, a rare condition that causes missing, shortened and flipper-like limbs.

By 1962, most countries where thalidomide was sold banned the drug, but not before it caused an estimated 10,000 children to be born with phocomelia."

Thalidomide was never approved by the FDA for distribution in the U.S.

Oh shit!  Bodybuilding Thalidomide link exposed:  "Ciba, a pharmaceutical company based in Switzerland, first synthesized thalidomide, a sedative similar to barbiturates and derived from glutamic acid, in 1953."  https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/us-regulatory-response-thalidomide-1950-2000

I remember a kid I went to high school with in the 80s that was clearly a thalidomide baby.  I remember him dipping Skoal using those flipper hands to get a dip out of the can.

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #86 on: January 19, 2022, 06:48:37 PM »
Although the Covid vaccines have shown some efficacy in preventing hospitalizations, your study is a pile of shit at best.

YOUR study says takes all hospitalizations from Dec 2020 through Dec 2021 and says about 40,000 we’re unvaccinated and 10,000 were partially or full vaccinated.

The problem is almost no one was fully vaccinated for the first quarter (that’s 3 months oak…) and it was mid September 2021 before Canada was 50% FULLY VACCINATED.

So obviously your stats are shit. Also you need to look at hospitalization rates for each month.

No real scientist would have ever thrown this shitty paper together without being laughed at in the past. Now idiots like you are propping them up. You need to look at equal groups of vaxxed/unvaxxed and follow them to see real results. No one doing that right now AND WE SHOULD ALL BE WONDERING WHY.

I can't believe you think this is a "research paper" that you can argue against.

These are the statistics of EVERY COVID-19 hospitalization case in Canada from last year.

There's NO arguing that over 90% of COVID-19 hospitalizations were NOT fully vaccinated (you'd be better off arguing that 1+1 is NOT equal to 2).


You think you know more than 99% of all Medical Doctors and Scientists in North America yet you don't even understand what a "study" or "research paper" is?


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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #87 on: January 19, 2022, 06:49:30 PM »
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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #88 on: January 19, 2022, 06:50:35 PM »
Posting a meme doesn't make you right.
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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #89 on: January 19, 2022, 06:54:27 PM »
Posting a meme doesn't make you right.

True.

But I posted the meme BECAUSE I'm right.

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #90 on: January 19, 2022, 06:56:01 PM »
True.

But I posted the meme BECAUSE I'm right.

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Only in your own head.
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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #91 on: January 19, 2022, 06:57:09 PM »
Only in your own head.

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #92 on: January 19, 2022, 07:00:44 PM »
Exactly. Avoidance is your best defense. ;)
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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #93 on: January 19, 2022, 07:31:57 PM »
What would that approach be? Any ideas?

Brutal honesty. "You're fat and gluttoned your way into diabetes. You're by far the #1 cost to the healthcare system and we're not carrying your blubber ass anymore. You killed socialized medicine."

Also a vaccine that's actually a vaccine. In the sense that it works. I'm curious about traditional technology ones. I think India has one and I think Sinopharm is one. How are they working? I have no idea. All I hear is Pfizer/Moderna every 3 months or no job 4 u!

Australia needs regime change.

A mask that actually works. Also vitamin D, zinc & quercetin, NAC, Fluvoxamine, Ivermectin, and Hydroxychloroquine. You should dig into these imo. What you took is minimally effective, if at all. There's nothing bad about seeing if other things can help. It doesn't make you an antivaxer to do things in addition to vaccination. Idk why people insist on doing nothing other than vaccinating. It's weird.

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #94 on: January 19, 2022, 07:56:33 PM »
WASHINGTON – On December 29, 2021, U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) sent a letter to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) regarding information he obtained from independent researchers. These researchers used publicly available data from the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to uncover a potential disturbing relationship between COVID-19 adverse event reports and certain vaccine lots. Senator Johnson asked the FDA and CDC for a response to his letter no later than January 12, 2022. To date, the FDA and CDC have not responded– reinforcing their arrogant lack of transparency and unwillingness to be held accountable.

“Using VAERS data, these researchers found that for the past 30 years, seasonal flu vaccines have never had more than 137 adverse events reported for a single lot in VAERS. In stark contrast, in less than one year, 5,297 adverse events were associated with a single COVID- 19 vaccine lot. In addition, 186 lots of COVID-19 vaccine had over 1,000 reports of adverse events, and an additional 70 lots between 500-999 reports. The researchers’ analysis further shows that approximately 80% of U.S.-only adverse events reported to VAERS for COVID-19 vaccines are associated with approximately 1% of vaccine lots reported to VAERS, and approximately 80% of serious adverse events (those involving emergency room visits, hospitalization, or death) are associated with approximately 5% of specific vaccine lots reported to VAERS,” the senator wrote.

“In addition, the total number of adverse events and deaths reported to VAERS for the COVID-19 vaccines should have prompted serious investigations and corrective action many months ago. As noted by federal health agencies, the reports on VAERS are “only a small fraction of actual adverse events.” Through December 17, 2021, there have been 983,758 total adverse events and 20,622 deaths reported worldwide associated with the COVID-19 vaccines. Of the 20,622 deaths, 6,232 (30%) have occurred on day 0,1, or 2 following vaccination. In contrast, over 30 years of reporting on seasonal flu vaccines, there have been a total of 200,264 adverse events and 2,078 deaths,” the senator continued.

The full text of the letter can be found here and below.

December 29, 2021

Janet Woodcock, M.D.

Acting Commissioner

Food and Drug Administration

10903 New Hampshire Ave.

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Rochelle P. Walensky, M.D., MPH

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Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

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Washington, DC 20024

 

Dear Drs. Woodcock and Walensky:

                Due to the unprecedented number of adverse events and deaths associated with the COVID-19 vaccines on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), independent researchers have downloaded VAERS data and begun analyzing the apparent variation in the distribution of adverse events between vaccine lots.  If the production of vaccines were under control, with quality systems working properly, one would expect to see relatively even distribution of adverse events and deaths across all lots.

                According to these researchers, the variation of adverse events among COVID-19 vaccine lots stands in stark contrast to a much lower degree of variation of adverse events associated with seasonal flu vaccine lots reported over a 30-year period.  Furthermore, the total number of adverse events reported in COVID-19 vaccine lots appear to be much higher than the total number of adverse events reported in the context of seasonal flu vaccine lots.

                Using VAERS data, these researchers found that for the past 30 years, seasonal flu vaccines have never had more than 137 adverse events reported for a single lot in VAERS.  In stark contrast, in less than one year, 5,297 adverse events were associated with a single COVID-19 vaccine lot.  In addition, 186 lots of COVID-19 vaccine had over 1,000 reports of adverse events, and an additional 70 lots between 500-999 reports.  The researchers’ analysis further shows that approximately 80% of U.S.-only adverse events reported to VAERS for COVID-19 vaccines are associated with approximately 1% of vaccine lots reported to VAERS, and approximately 80% of serious adverse events (those involving emergency room visits, hospitalization, or death) are associated with approximately 5% of specific vaccine lots reported to VAERS.

                According to the researchers, as of December 3, 2021, the data comparing COVID-19 vaccine lots to seasonal flu vaccine lots spanning 30 years show the following:

                                                                  COVID-19 Vaccines                 Seasonal Flu Vaccines

Total # of lots reported:                                             24,945                                           22,334

Highest # Adverse Events in one lot:

   (COVID-19: Moderna lot# 039K20A)                    5,297

   (Flu:  Novartis lot # 1514501)                                                                                        137

# of lots with Adverse Events totaling between:

                                      3,000 to 5,297:                       12                                                    0

                                      1,000 to 2,999:                     174                                                    0

                                         500 to    999:                       70                                                    0

                                         100 to    499:                     109                                                  10

                                           50 to      99:                       73                                                150

                                           10 to      49:                     695                                             3,779

                                             5 to        9:                  1,136                                             2,588

                                             1 to        4:                22,676                                           15,807

                Over the last year, public reporting has revealed instances where specific COVID-19 vaccine doses or lots were contaminated or linked to safety concerns.  For example, in January 2021, California temporarily paused administering doses from a Moderna COVID-19 vaccine lot following reports of people having severe allergic reactions to the doses from that lot.[1]  It is unclear how the California Department of Public Health made the decision to lift the pause and whether individuals from the other states that received doses from this lot experienced similar severe allergic reactions.[2]

Reports also revealed that in March 2021, Johnson & Johnson confirmed that “one vaccine batch was discarded over production issues.”[3]  In August 2021, Moderna reportedly recalled three lots of its vaccine in Japan after detecting a contaminant in vaccine vials.[4]  These examples underscore concerns about potential problems with specific vaccine lots.

In addition, the total number of adverse events and deaths reported to VAERS for the COVID-19 vaccines should have prompted serious investigations and corrective action many months ago.  As noted by federal health agencies, the reports on VAERS are “only a small fraction of actual adverse events.”[5]   Through December 17, 2021, there have been 983,758 total adverse events and 20,622 deaths reported worldwide associated with the COVID-19 vaccines.  Of the 20,622 deaths, 6,232 (30%) have occurred on day 0,1, or 2 following vaccination.  In contrast, over 30 years of reporting on seasonal flu vaccines, there have been a total of 200,264 adverse events and 2,078 deaths.   

                The significant differences between adverse event reports in the contexts of COVID-19 and seasonal flu vaccines, both in terms of absolute numbers and vaccine lot variation, should be raising major alarms with the vaccine manufacturers and federal health agencies.  However, it remains unclear the extent to which vaccine manufacturers and federal health agencies have reviewed or conducted robust safety investigations based on the COVID-19-associated VAERS data.

                Fortunately, VAERS data is publicly available, and these alarming safety signals have not remained totally hidden.  Also fortunately, scientists and researchers have revealed, and continue to reveal, potential serious safety signals and are attempting to bring these revelations to the public and to the regulatory agencies.  The experienced opinions of these independent researchers, some of whom are veterans of the pharmaceutical industry, is that the extent of variability in product safety between batches is completely outside of any normal boundaries of properly manufactured products of this highly-regulated sector.

The information detailed above raises a number of questions that need to be answered.

    Is the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) aware of VAERS data showing certain COVID-19 vaccine lots with high numbers of adverse events?

If so, please identify those lots.

If so, what investigations or corrective action have the FDA and CDC undertaken?

If no action has been taken, please explain why.

If not aware, please describe what action(s) you are taking to ensure you identify such events in the future.

In the past, has there ever been such a wide variability in the safety profile of any pharmaceutical product under the oversight of your agency?

2. Please provide a definitive listing of all COVID-19 vaccine lots by manufacturer.Identify the COVID-19 vaccine lots that:

3. Identify the COVID-19 vaccine lots that:

Have been discarded;

Are no longer administered; and

Are under investigation.
4. Describe what, if any, actions FDA and CDC took to investigate reports of severe allergic reactions or other adverse events linked to the Moderna vaccine lot that the California Department of Public Health reportedly examined in January 2021 (vaccine lot # 041L20A).[6]

5. How many doses are in each COVID-19 vaccine lot?
6. If vaccine lots contain different numbers of doses, what is the range of doses across all vaccine lots?

 7. How many FDA audits have been conducted at each COVID-19 vaccine manufacturing site since the vaccines received Emergency Use Authorization?
Please provide the results and findings of those audits.
8. Were all COVID-19 vaccine manufacturing sites found to be in full FDA and Current Good Manufacturing Practice compliance?

If not, have there been any instances where any amounts of drug substance or drug product have not been locatable at the time of the inspection? If so, how often has this occurred?
9. What specific quality control checks are performed on each vaccine lot?
10. What is the statistical sampling criteria for each quality check?

11. What quality control information is provided to your agency by the COVID-19 vaccine manufacturers?

On a routine basis?

As part of your ongoing quality surveillance requirements?
        12. What do the numbers and alpha characters represent in the lot numbering system?

        Can the manufacturing location be identified by the lot number?  How?
        Can the manufacturing date be identified by the lot number?  How?
        What other manufacturing information is captured in the lot number?
 

Please provide this information no later than January 12, 2022.  Thank you for your attention to this important matter.

 

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #95 on: January 19, 2022, 07:59:42 PM »
England is only 30% fully vaxxed?

Post your source fool!

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #96 on: January 19, 2022, 08:06:35 PM »
Brutal honesty. "You're fat and gluttoned your way into diabetes. You're by far the #1 cost to the healthcare system and we're not carrying your blubber ass anymore. You killed socialized medicine."

Also a vaccine that's actually a vaccine. In the sense that it works. I'm curious about traditional technology ones. I think India has one and I think Sinopharm is one. How are they working? I have no idea. All I hear is Pfizer/Moderna every 3 months or no job 4 u!

Australia needs regime change.
It's weird.
A mask that actually works. Also vitamin D, zinc & quercetin, NAC, Fluvoxamine, Ivermectin, and Hydroxychloroquine. You should dig into these imo. What you took is minimally effective, if at all. There's nothing bad about seeing if other things can help. It doesn't make you an antivaxer to do things in addition to vaccination. Idk why people insist on doing nothing other than vaccinating.
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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #97 on: January 19, 2022, 10:44:41 PM »
First of all you're counting 5 and under in the total population, which is not standard.

Second, who is saying the UK is 5% vaccinated then? You posted the government stats?

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #98 on: January 19, 2022, 10:46:01 PM »

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Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
« Reply #99 on: January 20, 2022, 04:38:48 AM »


Thanks for posting the lot number issues, PL. It's the first I've heard about this. Definitely worth investigating.

If I could ask just one question it would be: Hey, why are adverse reactions almost exact mirror images of disease symptoms?

It's not like I might develop priapism or some random shit. Clots/stroke and myocarditis. "Covid causes that too, ya know!" Yeah. What are the chances that side effects happen to be the exact fucking thing the disease causes? Heck of a coincidence.




Unrelated, but I hit a kangaroo two days ago. Bad, with a truck. First one in over 20 years I couldn't swerve around. I couldn't muster the strength to go back and put him out of his misery, which I still feel like a jerk about, but he wasn't anywhere to be seen yesterday so maybe somehow he'll recover.