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It looks like the three front runners in autonomous are Waymo, Tesla, Mobileye, and Cruise.
Here's a short clip of Mobileye driving through the streets of Munich. Mobileye is owned by Intel.
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Tesla FSD Beta 9 driving through the streets of San Francisco.
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Lucid Motors had their IPO today.
Ticker: LCID
Current market cap $6.9 Billion
My opinion is the Lucid air beats the Tesla Model S, but is not as good as the Mercedes EQS depending on horse power selected.
https://www.lucidmotors.com/ (https://www.lucidmotors.com/)
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Lucid Motors had their IPO today.
Ticker: LCID
Current market cap $6.9 Billion
My opinion is the Lucid air beats the Tesla Model S, but is not as good as the Mercedes EQS depending on horse power selected.
https://www.lucidmotors.com/ (https://www.lucidmotors.com/)
& Rimac NEVERA outclass Merc & Tesla :D
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If I wanted a car I didn’t have to drive I’d hire a driver. Fuck electric cars.
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If I wanted a car I didn’t have to drive I’d hire a driver. Fuck electric cars.
I didn't believe autonomous was such a big deal before too because I like to drive, but I have changed my mind in a big way. This technology will be transformative and will affect all forms of transportation of both people and cargo. It will also mean the end of car ownership for most people. Automakers see this transformation on the horizon and realize their industry will see more change in the next five years than it's seen in the last twenty.
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Cars are dinosaurs and electric dinosaurs will not save us.
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Fisker will unveil the production-ready version of the Ocean SUV at November’s Los Angeles Auto Show.
It has been 18 months since the Fisker Ocean was first unveiled as a concept at CES 2020 and while the production model isn’t expected to look much different, its debut will mark an important step for the electric car manufacturer.
Production of the Ocean is set to commence in the fall of 2022 and it will be manufactured by Magna Steyr in Austria. Car and Driver understands that Fisker will begin testing prototypes later this year and has already secured 17,300 paid reservations for the all-electric SUV.
https://www.carscoops.com/2021/07/fiskers-production-ready-ocean-to-make-debut-at-la-auto-show/ (https://www.carscoops.com/2021/07/fiskers-production-ready-ocean-to-make-debut-at-la-auto-show/)
The top of the line Fisker Ocean will have 545 HP.
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Cars are dinosaurs and electric dinosaurs will not save us.
If I wanted a car I didn’t have to drive I’d hire a driver. Fuck electric cars.
I'm with these guys. I'll just take my private jets anywhere I want to go.
Fucking peasants!
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TechAltar explains why smart phone companies like Sony, Xiaomi, Huawei, Apple, and LG started making electric cars.
There are strong parallels between what happened to smart phones with the iPhone and Android and what's happening right now in the car industry.
The Tesla Model S launch is the parallel to the iPhone launch. It showed other manufacturers this works and must be emulated.
The Fisker, Sony, and Apple cars (all made by Magna LG) are the Android parallel. Showing that cars are now a collection of simple components that can be bought from various manufacturers and assembled together by someone else just like a smart phone. Basically anyone can build a car and put their brand on it and that's exactly what Sony and Apple are doing.
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Cars are dinosaurs and electric dinosaurs will not save us.
But they can get us from point a to point b.
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But there is a hidden secret.
The infrastructure to maintain a full grid for mass transit is decades away.
I think at some point in time it MAY be possible to have autonomous cars full scale, but not for a very very long time.
There are a lot of problems too.
Read about the Japanese Shinkansen train system. A friend of mine from college actually moved to Japan for 5 years to help work on it.
It's an amazing system.
One day this will be more practical.
Electric cars are great, i never liked them until a drove a Tesla. I'll end up getting one eventually.
In 20 years we won't have a choice anyway.
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But there is a hidden secret.
The infrastructure to maintain a full grid for mass transit is decades away.
I think at some point in time it MAY be possible to have autonomous cars full scale, but not for a very very long time.
There are a lot of problems too.
Read about the Japanese Shinkansen train system. A friend of mine from college actually moved to Japan for 5 years to help work on it.
It's an amazing system.
One day this will be more practical.
Electric cars are great, i never liked them until a drove a Tesla. I'll end up getting one eventually.
In 20 years we won't have a choice anyway.
Excellent post and our likely future.
130-140 years ago, Tesla and Edison had the "battle of the currents" and Tesla backed by Westinghouse won with AC.
Right before that , the main dispute was; "electric lights vs oil lamps " . :o
Elon Musk with his Tesla's has proven the electric care is a superior, quality future car.
People often forget we already have autonomous drones that use AI to fly safely by wire.
You're 100% right about the extensive infrastructure for charging and autonomous drivers will take several years.
However, by 2040, electric cars will be the norm and the internal combustion engine will be a museum pc.
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But there is a hidden secret.
The infrastructure to maintain a full grid for mass transit is decades away.
I think at some point in time it MAY be possible to have autonomous cars full scale, but not for a very very long time.
There are a lot of problems too.
Read about the Japanese Shinkansen train system. A friend of mine from college actually moved to Japan for 5 years to help work on it.
It's an amazing system.
One day this will be more practical.
Electric cars are great, i never liked them until a drove a Tesla. I'll end up getting one eventually.
In 20 years we won't have a choice anyway.
Yes electrics are likely the future. I like the grid idea, hooking up on such for the larger roads. Cars could charge on them while driving.
Combustion-cars will be like mechanical watches. You use them once in a while for style and out of mechanical interest.
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A big problem with self driving cars…….those driving cars that are not self driving. I think the tech is “getting there” but until everyone has a self driving car you still have douche bags driving
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A big problem with self driving cars…….those driving cars that are not self driving. I think the tech is “getting there” but until everyone has a self driving car you still have douche bags driving
And you have to hope that self driving cars can quickly react to those douche bag drivers. Also, any computer problem with your self driving car could kill you.
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And you have to hope that self driving cars can quickly react to those douche bag drivers. Also, any computer problem with your self driving car could kill you.
Hmmmm? Ok, the technology to safely avoid crashes exists in an autonomous drone you can buy on Amazon
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Hmmmm? Ok, the technology to safely avoid crashes exists in an autonomous drone you can buy on Amazon
They crash into buildings all the time.
There are thousands of videos of them doing it.
The "unmanned" drones the military uses have manual overrides and are supervised by humans.
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And you have to hope that self driving cars can quickly react to those douche bag drivers. Also, any computer problem with your self driving car could kill you.
Tesla has some amazing software to help avoid these things, but it is not perfect.
Even with thousands of sensors there will always be a margin for error.
The question is, does that AI margin of error make it safer than your average human?
That could be the difference.
There are a lot of idiot drivers.
There are so many variables and too many obstacles to avoid on your daily commute to work. I still don't trust the software. Yet.
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It will also mean the end of car ownership for most people.
Automated driving as a service is great until the cancel culture comes for you.
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Excellent post and our likely future.
130-140 years ago, Tesla and Edison had the "battle of the currents" and Tesla backed by Westinghouse won with AC.
Right before that , the main dispute was; "electric lights vs oil lamps " . :o
Elon Musk with his Tesla's has proven the electric care is a superior, quality future car.
People often forget we already have autonomous drones that use AI to fly safely by wire.
You're 100% right about the extensive infrastructure for charging and autonomous drivers will take several years.
However, by 2040, electric cars will be the norm and the internal combustion engine will be a museum pc.
Not even close. The energy density of batteries is nowhere close to where it needs to be to make this happen. I worked on Generation 1 intercalated compounds at Xerox in the 80's that were supposed to be the next big thing" in batteries. Nope, never happened.
As for power generation I also worked on thin film flexible solar cells at the same time. They haven't made a dent in things. We still use predominately crystalline silicon for photovoltaics and the energy cost for making them just about equals the energy generation capability over the typical life span.
The only way to make this all happen is nuclear reactors. Let me know how that works out.
These fantasy pronouncements about what the future holds reminds me a lot of this:
(https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,fl_lossy,q_auto,w_728/v1555925956/shape/mentalfloss/popsci16.png?itok=o4tqV2S6)
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It's possible some of you may know more about physics and electrical circuits, but I'm not totally ignorant on it.
1. The battery technology rate of improvement is like the microprocessor in computers.
As the battery cells get smaller , the number in series can be greatly increased in the same vehicle.
This will result in rapid advances in both power and endurance.
2. The reg car battery uses an alternator to run the DC battery current "back" into the battery to recharge it.
This is why a running car never has the battery go dead.
To do this safely, the new smaller batteries may need to have parallel circuits to effectively alternate charging with those powering the car.
FYI, once moving over 50 mph on a hwy , the battery power is only needed to overcome air resistance and tire friction.
This is fairly substantial in most cars, BUT the conservation of energy allowed for the existing car engine to
operate at much lower RPMs and a lower gear on the hwy.
This is a very simplified explanation of the possible design of future electric battery circuits in cars. But it's Getbig and
I'm not at an AAPT conference . https://www.aapt.org/
3. I've seen and heard a lot of pro/con prediction for autonomous driving cars. I tend to think that's waaaaay into the future.
The number of cars driving in densely populated areas will only increase. Plus, the insurance company risks would make rates
higher then many could afford . In simple terms, I'm skeptical about "autonomous driving" being common ,any time soon
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Foxconn is buying Lordstown's auto plant in Ohio for $230 million. Foxconn will build the Endurance pickup there for Lordstown and hire it's employees. I suspect Foxconn will also build the Fisker SUV there as well.
In my opinion Lordstown employees just got screwed. This is also an indication of how low of cash Lordstown is for they will be leasing back the part of the facility where there vehicle is being built.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/lordstown-motors-confirms-plan-to-sell-ohio-plant-to-foxconn (https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/lordstown-motors-confirms-plan-to-sell-ohio-plant-to-foxconn)
Here's an overview of the plant that was just sold and the build process of the Endurance as well as the management team.
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The governors of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin are joining forces to build a new network for charging electric vehicles.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1041987104/midwest-electric-vehicles-charging-evs-cars (https://www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1041987104/midwest-electric-vehicles-charging-evs-cars)
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The governors of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin are joining forces to build a new network for charging electric vehicles.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1041987104/midwest-electric-vehicles-charging-evs-cars (https://www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1041987104/midwest-electric-vehicles-charging-evs-cars)
Send them the link to the No New Car thread from here.
They'll quickly realize they are wasting their time.
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Send them the link to the No New Car thread from here.
They'll quickly realize they are wasting their time.
I think they should include North Dakota and Montana and create a charging network that would allow someone to drive from San Diego to Detroit. I'm assuming an already existing network along the West coast.
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The perfect vehicle to drop you off at the FEMA camps. ;)
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I think they should include North Dakota and Montana and create a charging network that would allow someone to drive from San Diego to Detroit. I'm assuming an already existing network along the West coast.
Agreed.
Getting the Midwest to buy in is huge. It’s a sign the big 3 realize that electric cars are part of the future.
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Lucid Air deliveries now underway
A total of six Lucid Air Dream Edition sedans are pictured sitting on a car carrier for delivery
By Jeremy Korzeniewski
Judging by the company's official Twitter account, it appears that deliveries for the Lucid Air Dream Edition are just getting underway.
Lucid plans to build 520 Air Dream Edition sedans, each spinning out a total of 1,080 horsepower, a range of 520 miles and carrying an asking price of $169,000.
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/10/25/lucid-air-deliveries/ (https://www.autoblog.com/2021/10/25/lucid-air-deliveries/)
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Rivian valued at over $100 bln in debut, after world's biggest IPO of 2021
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ev-maker-rivian-set-high-profile-market-debut-after-mammoth-ipo-2021-11-10/ (https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ev-maker-rivian-set-high-profile-market-debut-after-mammoth-ipo-2021-11-10/)
Rivian has produced 180 vehicles to date and has $3 Billion cash on hand and a market cap of over $100 Billion. Interesting times.
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When we are all driving electric cars what will the power plants run on that provide the electricity to charge the batteries? Will it be coal, gas, oil or nuclear power? Power plants don't run on windmills and solar panels.
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When we are all driving electric cars what will the power plants run on that provide the electricity to charge the batteries? Will it be coal, gas, oil or nuclear power? Power plants don't run on windmills and solar panels.
I personally don't care and I don't really believe global warming is a problem. I would be fine if they were all powered by coal.
My interest in electric cars is based on weather they're descent vehicle to drive and own. I have no problem with gas powered cars as well.
More importantly, I don't believe there should be any government intervention in the auto industry. I'm even opposed to Cafe fleet average fuel economy standards and I'm quite fond of big block V8's. I'm in favor of both gas and electric vehicles and believe the choice should be open to the individual.
The reality is the technology of electric cars is progressing so rapidly right now, they will soon eclipse gas powered cars.
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When we are all driving electric cars what will the power plants run on that provide the electricity to charge the batteries? Will it be coal, gas, oil or nuclear power? Power plants don't run on windmills and solar panels.
We won't be able to power the American grid with solar and/or wind within our lifetime.
A lot of people believe it's more about emissions, rather than saving fuel/resources.
There is a balance.
Very few people understand the fuel and emissions required by a larger source that are required to power a grid of "electric" cars.
Most of it is complete nonsense.
Here in NM they are working on solar technology that can power your house and charge your car, using just the sun. It works rather well but it's expensive and not practical for 90% of the planet.
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We won't be able to power the American grid with solar and/or wind within our lifetime.
A lot of people believe it's more about emissions, rather than saving fuel/resources.
There is a balance.
Very few people understand the fuel and emissions required by a larger source that are required to power a grid of "electric" cars.
Most of it is complete nonsense.
Here in NM they are working on solar technology that can power your house and charge your car, using just the sun. It works rather well but it's expensive and not practical for 90% of the planet.
Yes, they are idiots.
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EV sales in China surpass 3 million units in 2021.
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XPeng’s New G9 Is An All-electric Luxury SUV With LiDAR Tech.
It can charge 200 KM range in 5 minutes.
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Saudi Arabia owns over 50% of Lucid and huge parts of Rivian and Uber, yet their People’s Investment Fund knew not to touch Nikola and dumped Tesla.
Seems legitimate…. ::)
The younger generations of Americans don’t want to own a maintenance intensive asset like a house or a car. So if the vehicles were to become fully autonomous, you wouldn’t own one, you would just request it like an Uber ride.
So picture a conglomerate of EV/Autonomous car companies that sell you rides over your cell phone when you order one - and you never have to own your own vehicle. Or even a government agency that owns all the cars and you have to rent a ride from them when you need one.
That’s the future of EV/autonomous cars in big cities, communist countries, and in Europe. The government (or politically owned and affiliated firms) will take over under the guise of climate change.
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But there is a hidden secret.
The infrastructure to maintain a full grid for mass transit is decades away.
I think at some point in time it MAY be possible to have autonomous cars full scale, but not for a very very long time.
There are a lot of problems too.
Read about the Japanese Shinkansen train system. A friend of mine from college actually moved to Japan for 5 years to help work on it.
It's an amazing system.
One day this will be more practical.
Electric cars are great, i never liked them until a drove a Tesla. I'll end up getting one eventually.
In 20 years we won't have a choice anyway.
if i'm not mistaken it's the leading part of the 7g rollout(which is 20 years away)
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Baidu Officially Launches Robotaxi Service In Beijing After Getting The OK To Charge Fees
BY Brad Anderson
Chinese technology giant Baidu has launched its robotaxi service in Beijing, China and started collecting fees from paying customers.
Baidu has been testing autonomous robotaxis throughout the city for over a year and earlier this week, received regulatory approval allowing it to start collecting fares from users.
The company currently operates 67 self-driving cars in Beijing’s suburban district of Yizhuang. It hasn’t said how much users will have to pay but told CNBC that fares will be comparable with the premium level services offered by ride-hailing apps like Didi which, as the outlet notes, can cost twice as much as ordinary rides. Baidu’s vice president and chief security operation officer, Wei Dong, expects other major cities like Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen to start allowing it to charge users.
According to Baidu, more than 20,000 users each take at least 10 rides in its robotaxis each month and the company plans to roll out an additional 100 robotaxis onto the streets each year.
The Baidu Apollo Go robotaxi service currently operates in five cities and a plan from chief executive Robin Li calls for the service to grow to 65 cities by 2025 and to 100 cities by 2030. Baidu also says that its next generation of robotaxi vehicles will cost half the price to manufacture than its current vehicles.
https://www.carscoops.com/2021/11/baidu-officially-launches-robotaxi-service-in-beijing-after-getting-the-ok-to-charge-fees/ (https://www.carscoops.com/2021/11/baidu-officially-launches-robotaxi-service-in-beijing-after-getting-the-ok-to-charge-fees/)
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Hasn't Musk himself said the future of autonomous cars is that you won't own the car?
This is all conjecture at this point. Futuristic predictions rarely come true.
The free market usually determines what happens but now the governments are trying to control the future.
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Hasn't Musk himself said the future of autonomous cars is that you won't own the car?
This is all conjecture at this point. Futuristic predictions rarely come true.
The free market usually determines what happens but now the governments are trying to control the future.
I think every automaker has connected the dots on what consumers are going to do when cars become fully autonomous. The changes coming in the next ten years are going to be huge and all forms of transportation will be affected by autonomous
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There will have to be some MAJOR infrastructure changes for autonomous cars to become mainstream. A few are....
1. Insurance companies. They make money by charging high premiums on higher risk drivers, will everyone with an autonomous car have the same rate? Or you'll have some switch to change from auto drive to manual? Sounds a bit dangerous to me to be switching back and forth from autonomous to manual. But insurance companies are a big lobby. They'll have to figure out how to charge insurance for autonomous cars. Can you legally even have to have insurance for what your car does if you leave it in auto drive?
2. CHP and traffic tickets create billions in revenue. Will autonomous cars be allowed to break traffic laws? All those tickets like running stop signs, illegal lane change without blinker, and most especially DUI's will be eliminated(a good thing). But this will cost local government revenue billions without petty traffic infractions.
3.Lawsuits. For every accident, a person can be sued civilly, and just default or go bankrupt but now accident survivors and relatives can sue auto companies, creating the possibility for massive fraud. Auto accident ambulance chasing attorneys must be just drooling at the idea of class action lawsuits for some glitch or breakdown of autonomous technology.
4. Mechanics. It will take a while for all mechanics to be able to learn and be able to repair this technology. There will have to be new certifications, etc. All machines break eventually.
There will have to be a complete infrastructure change to implement autonomous cars on a large scale. This may take a while.
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There will have to be some MAJOR infrastructure changes for autonomous cars to become mainstream. A few are....
1. Insurance companies. They make money by charging high premiums on higher risk drivers, will everyone with an autonomous car have the same rate? Or you'll have some switch to change from auto drive to manual? Sounds a bit dangerous to me to be switching back and forth from autonomous to manual. But insurance companies are a big lobby. They'll have to figure out how to charge insurance for autonomous cars. Can you legally even have to have insurance for what your car does if you leave it in auto drive?
2. CHP and traffic tickets create billions in revenue. Will autonomous cars be allowed to break traffic laws? All those tickets like running stop signs, illegal lane change without blinker, and most especially DUI's will be eliminated(a good thing). But this will cost local government revenue billions without petty traffic infractions.
3.Lawsuits. For every accident, a person can be sued civilly, and just default or go bankrupt but now accident survivors and relatives can sue auto companies, creating the possibility for massive fraud. Auto accident ambulance chasing attorneys must be just drooling at the idea of class action lawsuits for some glitch or breakdown of autonomous technology.
4. Mechanics. It will take a while for all mechanics to be able to learn and be able to repair this technology. There will have to be new certifications, etc. All machines break eventually.
There will have to be a complete infrastructure change to implement autonomous cars on a large scale. This may take a while.
I work for Munich Re, we're pretty much cutting all our digital partners that aren't willing to pivot to rideshare\long haul truckers and municipality transport.
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Ford looks to surpass Tesla. Investing in coal might be a better idea if we need to charge millions of EV.
I look for Musk to continue to sell his way out of Tesla, maybe sell to the Chinese.
(https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/closing%20gap.png?itok=8SWicq2Y)
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ford-ceo-says-company-targets-600000-evs-year-wants-surpass-tesla-us-ev-sales
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All electric vehicles do is move the emissions from the car to another source, be it a coal burning power plant, nuclear facility, etc. There is no free lunch.
Meanwhile, wars will start in the Congo over cobalt mining, lol
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All electric vehicles do is move the emissions from the car to another source, be it a coal burning power plant, nuclear facility, etc. There is no free lunch.
Meanwhile, wars will start in the Congo over cobalt mining, lol
The Congo people have nothing better to do with their time.
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When we are all driving electric cars what will the power plants run on that provide the electricity to charge the batteries? Will it be coal, gas, oil or nuclear power? Power plants don't run on windmills and solar panels.
We won’t all be driving cars, that’s the point of lockdowns.
We will likely move to 1 car households.
Get food delivered. Get online shopping delivered. The odds are much more in favour of us owning an electric scooter or electric motorbike to get around. Cheaper to buy/run/maintain. Less energy. Easier to park.
When money gets tight and you have 120k of cars in the driveway which move 500km month combined, people are gunna dump the second car.
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All electric vehicles do is move the emissions from the car to another source, be it a coal burning power plant, nuclear facility, etc. There is no free lunch.
Meanwhile, wars will start in the Congo over cobalt mining, lol
They don't trust people with resources. They own the world in their eyes. That is what this is all about - centralization of resources and controlled distribution or lack thereof.
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NHTSA Says Human Controls Now Unnecessary for Autonomous Vehicles
By Matt Posky
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) had decided there’s no need for modern vehicles to possess steering wheels, pedals, or other human controls — provided they’re intended to be fully autonomous.
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2022/03/nhtsa-says-human-controls-now-unnecessary-for-autonomous-vehicles/ (https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2022/03/nhtsa-says-human-controls-now-unnecessary-for-autonomous-vehicles/)
This is moving very quickly. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this, but government regulations allow cars to have no steering wheel and pedals.
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When we are all driving electric cars what will the power plants run on that provide the electricity to charge the batteries? Will it be coal, gas, oil or nuclear power? Power plants don't run on windmills and solar panels.
We won’t all be driving electric cars because our grid doesn’t support it nor is everybody owning electric cars inline with the global carbon emissions targets.
Besides, 90% won’t be able to afford one once we move through the deflationary-inflationary phases but that won’t be a problem because most of us will be working from home and remain in our suburb/LGA anyway.
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Bunch of liberal fags in here.
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Another opinion on the subject:
Start at 57:15
https://www.brighteon.com/64d2356f-d3a9-4993-b1ac-ec60b53d4510
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Mercedes EQS review.
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Autonomous cars will never work as long as there are human drivers on the road. No matter how smart your AI is, you can never underestimate the stupidity of people on the road.
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Autonomous cars will never work as long as there are human drivers on the road. No matter how smart your AI is, you can never underestimate the stupidity of people on the road.
The Chinese are already allowing two companies to offer fully autonomous taxis in Beijing.
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How many electric cars? What's the kWH battery density?
What's the electrical power generation needed?
Being generous here....
100 kWH battery.
Charge 50-70 of that at home every night, not counting charging during day....a normal 2350 sq ft house (not counting basement) can eat 600-800 kWH per month.
Math doesn't add up if we have an administrative state and sitting presidential admin that wants to generate less energy.
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CEO of Lucid showing just how good an engineer he is. I doubt any of the Detroit big three CEO's could explain a vehicle as well as he does.
He goes in depth as to why an electric car is superior to a gas vehicle in terms of interior volume versus exterior dimensions.
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CEO of Lucid showing just how good an engineer he is. I doubt any of the Detroit big three CEO's could explain a vehicle as well as he does.
He goes in depth as to why an electric car is superior to a gas vehicle in terms of interior volume versus exterior dimensions.
Doies he explain how it will run when the government starts switching off the grid to save the planet?
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The Chinese are already allowing two companies to offer fully autonomous taxis in Beijing.
To be fair. A 5 year blind kid would be a better driver than a China man behind wheels.
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To be fair. A 5 year blind kid would be a better driver than a China man behind wheels.
That's the main reason Chinese are so enthusiastic about autonomous. They know first hand how dangerous Chinese drivers are and they would rather a computer drive than a person.
China is and will lead on autonomous and electric. The younger generation in particular have fully embraced both.
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To be fair. A 5 year blind kid would be a better driver than a China man behind wheels.
Its because they are always squinting.
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Ford F150 Lightning - 4.4 second zero to 60 @7:00. :o :o :o
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That's the main reason Chinese are so enthusiastic about autonomous. They know first hand how dangerous Chinese drivers are and they would rather a computer drive than a person.
China is and will lead on autonomous and electric. The younger generation in particular have fully embraced both.
I've driven in Beijing. It has nothing to do with "dangerous Chinese drivers". There are too many cars for the road system, period. Where there are 4 lanes they try to make 5 lines because the traffic doesn't move at all. The primary reason for autonomous driving is to add one more layer of control to an already over controlled society.
The younger generation in China are a bunch of stupid fucks. The older generation actually remembers starving under Mao. I heard this many times in my travels across China.
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Back in 2016/2017 they were predicting autonomous vehicles would be commonplace in 5 years. Trucking jobs would be obsolete etc... ::)
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What cars can float for when the polar ice caps melt?
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The Chinese are already allowing two companies to offer fully autonomous taxis in Beijing.
We will see how and if it pans out. History would tell us that it won’t
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Back in 2016/2017 they were predicting autonomous vehicles would be commonplace in 5 years. Trucking jobs would be obsolete etc... ::)
The Jetsons' cartoon had us in flying cars by now.
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This is the base model F150 Lightning with the bigger battery. The sticker on this truck as equipped is $46K.
Based on this initial review I think this truck is going to be a hit.
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The Jetsons' cartoon had us in flying cars by now.
So did Bladerunner.
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This is the base model F150 Lightning with the bigger battery. The sticker on this truck as equipped is $46K.
Based on this initial review I think this truck is going to be a hit.
Im honestly looking at getting one, for the "frunk" alone. Having a truck bed AND a lockable trunk is a game changer
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We’ll learn detailed specifications closer to launch, but the truck’s dual-motor all-wheel drive system is slated to produce 754 hp (562 kW / 764 PS) and 785 lb-ft (1,063 Nm) of torque in Max Power mode. This should enable the model to accelerate from 0-60 mph (0-96 km/h) in less than 4.5 seconds. Buyers can also expect towing and payload capacities of up to 9,500 lbs (4,309 kg) and 1,300 lbs (590 kg), respectively.
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/10/2024-gmc-sierra-ev-denali-edition-1-debuts-as-a-no-holds-barred-luxury-pickup-with-754-hp-and-400-miles-of-range/ (https://www.carscoops.com/2022/10/2024-gmc-sierra-ev-denali-edition-1-debuts-as-a-no-holds-barred-luxury-pickup-with-754-hp-and-400-miles-of-range/)
The GMC Sierrra EV is very impressive and beats Ford in range at 400 miles, which becomes important when towing.
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That's the main reason Chinese are so enthusiastic about autonomous. They know first hand how dangerous Chinese drivers are and they would rather a computer drive than a person.
China is and will lead on autonomous and electric. The younger generation in particular have fully embraced both.
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We’ll learn detailed specifications closer to launch, but the truck’s dual-motor all-wheel drive system is slated to produce 754 hp (562 kW / 764 PS) and 785 lb-ft (1,063 Nm) of torque in Max Power mode. This should enable the model to accelerate from 0-60 mph (0-96 km/h) in less than 4.5 seconds. Buyers can also expect towing and payload capacities of up to 9,500 lbs (4,309 kg) and 1,300 lbs (590 kg), respectively.
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/10/2024-gmc-sierra-ev-denali-edition-1-debuts-as-a-no-holds-barred-luxury-pickup-with-754-hp-and-400-miles-of-range/ (https://www.carscoops.com/2022/10/2024-gmc-sierra-ev-denali-edition-1-debuts-as-a-no-holds-barred-luxury-pickup-with-754-hp-and-400-miles-of-range/)
The GMC Sierrra EV is very impressive and beats Ford in range at 400 miles, which becomes important when towing.
Is it in a 3/4 ton version? $107,000 is a bit steep for a half ton pick up. I just looked at a 2500 Denali with a Duramax and sticker was $94,000.
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Is it in a 3/4 ton version? $107,000 is a bit steep for a half ton pick up. I just looked at a 2500 Denali with a Duramax and sticker was $94,000.
It's a 1/2 ton.
The newest Duramax is rated at 445 hp and 910 lb⋅f
So this truck has 309 additional hp, but less torque.
There's a significant cost savings of electric over diesel.
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It's a 1/2 ton.
The newest Duramax is rated at 445 hp and 910 lb⋅f
So this truck has 309 additional hp, but less torque.
There's a significant cost savings of electric over diesel.
I get it, it has a lot of power and weight, but if the suspension isn’t set up for towing weight, whatever you’re hauling is going to drag you all over the road. Might be good for your average weekend warrior, but until they make a 3/4 or 1 ton it won’t be used in construction.
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There's a significant cost savings of electric over diesel.
Today this is true. But for how long?
What happens when the price of electricity is increased, and it will be.
What happens when you need a repair or more specifically a battery replacement? As of today that is not cheap.
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Today this is true. But for how long?
What happens when the price of electricity is increased, and it will be.
What happens when you need a repair or more specifically a battery replacement? As of today that is not cheap.
Yeah, no shit. I’ve got a golf cart that has batteries and they’re super expensive to replace if they go bad. Couldn’t imagine what it would be for lithium ion batteries for a $100k truck.
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Where is the infrastructure to support everyone needing to charge a vehicle?
I'm naive to some of this, but do you get a free charging station to put in your garage, when you buy an electric car?
Do they think that traditional gas stations are going to go the way of the dinosaur? Will they have the balls to make gas vehicles illegal in the future?
Let's not talk about lack of replacement parts, and new batteries that you need a loan to afford.
I think that hybrids are the better option, although, I can't see myself owning something other than gas.
We are talking decades before the government, Tesla, etc.... can realistically expect the majority of the population to become electric, maybe even hybrid.
Give people a free charging station for personal use with purchase. Don't make people have to take out a second mortgage to fix their cars.
Right now, they are just taking advantage of rich people, and hipsters, people that don't care about throwing money away.
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Where is the infrastructure to support everyone needing to charge a vehicle?
I'm naive to some of this, but do you get a free charging station to put in your garage, when you buy an electric car?
Do they think that traditional gas stations are going to go the way of the dinosaur? Will they have the balls to make gas vehicles illegal in the future?
Let's not talk about lack of replacement parts, and new batteries that you need a loan to afford.
I think that hybrids are the better option, although, I can't see myself owning something other than gas.
We are talking decades before the government, Tesla, etc.... can realistically expect the majority of the population to become electric, maybe even hybrid.
Give people a free charging station for personal use with purchase. Don't make people have to take out a second mortgage to fix their cars.
Right now, they are just taking advantage of rich people, and hipsters, people that don't care about throwing money away.
All valid points, Shitz. I’ll hold off on an electric vehicle until they close all gas stations.
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I get it, it has a lot of power and weight, but if the suspension isn’t set up for towing weight, whatever you’re hauling is going to drag you all over the road. Might be good for your average weekend warrior, but until they make a 3/4 or 1 ton it won’t be used in construction.
Now that the unsponsored reviews are coming out, it's changing a bit.
Towing anything substantial with these trucks is a nightmare.
And the milage they get is very different.
Also, the cost to charge one of these frequently is not as cheap as people think. The benefits come for people who drive very little.
I do believe they will improve over time; technology always gets better. But i would not buy one in the next few years.
EV are very popular where i live and nobody i have met that owns one will back up the claims made when they purchased them. Even the tree hugger granolas are surprised when the cost to "fuel" them is only 15-20% less than gasoline.
And we all know energy prices are going to continue to go up as we move away from fossil fuels.
I will happily drive my V8 until the wheels fall off.
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Tesla Semi Delivery Event to Pepsico.
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Tesla Semi driving 500 miles, fully loaded, on a single charge.
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Tesla Semi Delivery Event to Pepsico.
Seems a little dangerous to be zipping around that fast. Either way, I’d like to own one if the price is right. A new Mack CH series is running $170k now. They were $145k two three years ago.
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BYD recently overtook Volkswagen as the best selling brand in China.
The BYD Seal just went on sale and is one of the reasons the Chinese auto market is so competitive.
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Seems a little dangerous to be zipping around that fast. Either way, I’d like to own one if the price is right. A new Mack CH series is running $170k now. They were $145k two three years ago.
Are you a trucker?
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Are you a trucker?
I don’t personally drive them but I do own some road tractors and dump trucks.
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I don’t personally drive them but I do own some road tractors and dump trucks.
Sweet
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New emissions regulations being announced this Wednesday will be 70 percent stricter in 2027 than in 2021. These regulations are as strict as Europe and China are proposing.
I'm opposed to this kind of government regulation of the auto industry, but it means auto companies won't have a choice but to make electric cars.
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New emissions regulations being announced this Wednesday will be 70 percent stricter in 2027 than in 2021. These regulations are as strict as Europe and China are proposing.
I'm opposed to this kind of government regulation of the auto industry, but it means auto companies won't have a choice but to make electric cars.
We need a new administration that won’t allow this kind of EPA regulation. Laws enacted by some agency.
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Waymo VS Tesla on the same route in San Francisco.
Carscoops:
"Furthermore, it’s worth noting that the Waymo is full of sensors that help it accomplish its Level 4 driving ability. Those sensors include radar, lidar, and more. The Tesla has none of that and literally drives through the automaker’s Level 2 “Vision” system regardless of location. It leverages data gathered by external cameras rather than ultrasonic sensors."
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/06/teslas-full-self-driving-matches-waymo-skills-despite-far-less-hardware/ (https://www.carscoops.com/2023/06/teslas-full-self-driving-matches-waymo-skills-despite-far-less-hardware/)
Both systems are impressive.
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When’s my ugly Cybertruck gonna be ready?
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California and Nevada have both certified Mercedes level 3 autonomous system making it legal to use in both states. Mercedes is the first company to achieve this certification in America.
Germany has also certified the use of this system.
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What happens when one of these "blue screens" on the highway?
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What happens when one of these "blue screens" on the highway?
Just hope you aren't on the same highway.
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Infrastructure Bill Includes Per-Mile Road Tax Test That Will Track Drivers’ Travel
https://www.thedrive.com/news/41865/infrastructure-bill-includes-per-mile-road-tax-test-that-will-track-drivers-travel
More States Hitting Electric Vehicle Owners With High Fees
https://www.consumerreports.org/hybrids-evs/more-states-hitting-electric-vehicle-owners-with-high-fees/
Pa. looking to charge electric vehicle owners a $290 annual fee
https://www.pennlive.com/politics/2023/06/pa-looking-to-charge-electric-vehicle-owners-a-290-annual-fee.html
Without a Gas Tax, How Will EVs Be Charged for Road Use?
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/without-a-gas-tax-how-will-evs-be-charged-for-road-use-a1206432507/
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Infrastructure Bill Includes Per-Mile Road Tax Test That Will Track Drivers’ Travel
https://www.thedrive.com/news/41865/infrastructure-bill-includes-per-mile-road-tax-test-that-will-track-drivers-travel
More States Hitting Electric Vehicle Owners With High Fees
https://www.consumerreports.org/hybrids-evs/more-states-hitting-electric-vehicle-owners-with-high-fees/
Pa. looking to charge electric vehicle owners a $290 annual fee
https://www.pennlive.com/politics/2023/06/pa-looking-to-charge-electric-vehicle-owners-a-290-annual-fee.html
Without a Gas Tax, How Will EVs Be Charged for Road Use?
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/without-a-gas-tax-how-will-evs-be-charged-for-road-use-a1206432507/
It’s a fair point, electric vehicles are heavier than their ICE counterparts (ie: more damaging to the roads) and they don’t pay the taxes that fund road repairs.
The new electric hummer is over 9000 pounds :o
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It’s a fair point, electric vehicles are heavier than their ICE counterparts (ie: more damaging to the roads) and they don’t pay the taxes that fund road repairs.
The new electric hummer is over 9000 pounds :o
So far, electric car owners have been getting a free ride.
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So far, electric car owners have been getting a free ride.
That’s part of the selling point.
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It’s a fair point, electric vehicles are heavier than their ICE counterparts (ie: more damaging to the roads) and they don’t pay the taxes that fund road repairs.
The new electric hummer is over 9000 pounds :o
That's true for the hummer and also the electric Silverado and Sierra. I'm interested in seeing what the Cyber truck weighs. I think Tesla will embarrass GM and Ford with how much lighter it is. For comparison, the F150 Lightning is 6600 lbs.
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When’s my ugly Cybertruck gonna be ready?
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That's true for the hummer and also the electric Silverado and Sierra. I'm interested in seeing what the Cyber truck weighs. I think Tesla will embarrass GM and Ford with how much lighter it is. For comparison, the F150 Lightning is 6600 lbs.
I wouldn’t be optimistic, electric vehicles are heavy because of all the batteries involved. The Model X is 5100-5300 lbs. Assuming the cyber truck is larger, I think 6000lbs is around right.
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Waymo and cruise permitted to drive in San Francisco without restrictions to location or time. They are still restricted by speed to 65 mph for Waymo (Google) and 35 mph for Cruise (GM).
Waymo and Cruise currently operate in San Francisco, Phoenix, and Austin.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/california-agency-vote-san-francisco-robotaxi-expansion-amid-heavy-opposition-2023-08-10/ (https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/california-agency-vote-san-francisco-robotaxi-expansion-amid-heavy-opposition-2023-08-10/)
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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-12353409/Security-fears-invasion-electric-cars-China-experts-warn-remotely-controlled-paralyse-Britain.html#:~:text=59%20shares-,Security%20fears%20over%20%27invasion%27%20of%20electric%20cars%20from%20China%20as,remotely%20controlled%20to%20%27paralyse%27%20Britain&text=Security%20fears%20over%20an%20%27invasion,controlled%20to%20%27paralyse%27%20Britain.
Security fears over an 'invasion' of electric cars from China have emerged as experts warn the vehicles could be remotely controlled to 'paralyse' Britain.
Professor Jim Saker, president of the Institute of the Motor Industry, said Britain faces 'major security issues' from Chinese cars, adding that there is 'no way' of stopping them coming under remote control.
In a report set to be shared with car makers and regulators, Prof Saker said: 'The car manufacturer may be in Shanghai and could stop 100,000 to 300,000 cars across Europe, thus paralysing a country.'
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Yeah, no shit. I’ve got a golf cart that has batteries and they’re super expensive to replace if they go bad. Couldn’t imagine what it would be for lithium ion batteries for a $100k truck.
Warranty on batteries here is 8yrs / 192,000kms
Tesla model 3 is the best selling sedan in Australia now. We pay double what Americans pay. If the batteries were all dying we’d be utterly fucked. You don’t hear of much.
There is new battery tech in them now so they’re improving things. Longevity is the key objective, I agree it’d be pointless to have batteries fail after 8yrs. We should be able to get 25yrs+ out of the batteries.
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Interesting tour of Cybertruck factory. View of the castings and under body at 12:10.
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Drag race between a new Porsche 911 and a Cybertruck.
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Interesting tour of Cybertruck factory. View of the castings and under body at 12:10.
Piece of art shit.
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Tesla says that the RWD version will start at $60,990. The AWD model starts at $79,990, and the Cyberbeast gets an MSRP of $99,990.
Tow rated at 11,000 lbs with a 2500 lbs bed payload.
Towing comparison with F350 diesel: