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We've discussed the most underrated, so what about the most overrated? Who gets too much exposure, got a push they didn't deserve, shouldn't even be on TV?
My first thought is Brian Kendrick. I don't get what his character is supposed to be, I don't enjoy his matches, and I can't see what they're doing with him.
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Randy Orton.
If you want to talk about guys who are getting a push that should not I think Bladamir Kozlov, Mike Knox.
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Batista. I hate that guy. I change the channel when he comes on. His Tats are so incredibly weak. Especially the one on his back!
I don't mind Batista that much. I know what you mean about the tats, you can hardly tell what they are supposed to look like, and they're all faded as well. I'm afraid when he comes on the TV, I'm not allowed to change the channel cos my gf has a thing for him ( ???) !!
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Randy Orton.
If you want to talk about guys who are getting a push that should not I think Bladamir Kozlov, Mike Knox.
I'm not keen on Mike Knox either. They seem to like having a weird psycho character who beats up the smaller guys all the time, but Kane does that perfectly well. They tried the same thing with Snitsky, but he never got anywhere.
After watching tonight, I'm adding Candice Michelle to the list. She hasn't looked very fluid in the ring for a while now.
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Bladamir Kozlov,
I happened to catch a wwe show when this guy was on. He seems out of time. He would've made a great heel back in the day when Bruno Sammartino was champ, but, against a modern day champ like HHH it just doesn't work.
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Koslov is fucking brutal - now WWE would say that hes getting heat and he is, but its because hes so fucking inept in the ring that people are screaming at him to make him aware of how shit he truly is.
Awful.
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Koslov is fucking brutal - now WWE would say that hes getting heat and he is, but its because hes so fucking inept in the ring that people are screaming at him to make him aware of how shit he truly is.
Awful.
Thats called X Pac heat. People don't like you not because your a good heel, but because you suck .
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Matt and Jeff Hardy.
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Matt and Jeff Hardy.
I can see where you're coming from with Matt, I've always found him to be a bit anonymous, no personality. I think with Jeff though, if you discount his activities out of the ring, he's always been willing to do the things other people maybe wouldn't do, and that shows in the way the fans respond to him. His wrestling looks a bit uncoordinated at times, I must admit.
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I hate CHAVO GUERRERO this clown sucks and the GM of smackdown Wife of Eddie Guerrero.
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I hate CHAVO GUERRERO this clown sucks and the GM of smackdown Wife of Eddie Guerrero.
Sorry bro but Chavo is very underrated.
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Rey is a little overrated IMO. He has no business in the world title picture and his run as champ was awful and terribly booked.
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Rey is a little overrated IMO. He has no business in the world title picture and his run as champ was awful and terribly booked.
I could not agree more
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I could not agree more
I mean i've met the dude and he's about 5 foot 3 on his best day. It's hard to but him beating Kane, Batista, Cena etc.. That whole thing after Eddie died pissed me off, that was so annoying.
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I mean i've met the dude and he's about 5 foot 3 on his best day. It's hard to but him beating Kane, Batista, Cena etc.. That whole thing after Eddie died pissed me off, that was so annoying.
Yeah I have meet him as well, he made me feel so big ha ha
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Rey is a little overrated IMO. He has no business in the world title picture and his run as champ was awful and terribly booked.
I never understood why they made a 175lbs(ish) guy the World HEAVYweight Champion.
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I never understood why they made a 175lbs(ish) guy the World HEAVYweight Champion.
Agreed, there is suspending peoples disbelief and theres taking the piss.....Rey holding the title was taking the piss.
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Think about the main event for Wrestlemanie III. When I was a kid I'd never ever dream one of the Rockers would ever be world champ. Now I'm surprised Chyna never won it!
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I beleave Chyna was noly IC champ my man.
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Chris Jericho...just kidding ;D
Tough question I will have to think about it.
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I know she won that. I said I'm suprised they never let her win the World Title. Anyone can become champ. The title means nothing like when Hogan and Bret held it. I don't even know who the champions are now? Because the titles don't mean jack.
I agree with you 100%. The same with all the titles.
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I agree with you 100%. The same with all the titles.
Karl, related to this topic, I used to belong to a website in the mid 90's where we discussed wrestling. Many of the younger guys talked about how titles were always used to put over talent that coudn't do it otherwise...we older guys said that it was only a new thing in the 90's because in the older days it was most often the top draws who held titles. Were we correct?
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Karl, related to this topic, I used to belong to a website in the mid 90's where we discussed wrestling. Many of the younger guys talked about how titles were always used to put over talent that coudn't do it otherwise...we older guys said that it was only a new thing in the 90's because in the older days it was most often the top draws who held titles. Were we correct?
There aren't many people on the WWE roster who've never held a belt. I think the titles are used very much for putting wrestlers over. I'm sure many of them could still have done it without a title reign, but there is not enough patience among fans to see a wresler develop and build up to being a title holder.
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There aren't many people on the WWE roster who've never held a belt. I think the titles are used very much for putting wrestlers over. I'm sure many of them could still have done it without a title reign, but there is not enough patience among fans to see a wresler develop and build up to being a title holder.
Oh, I agree that they are now...but they were arguing that it has always been the case. I don't think they were used that way until the 90's. Now, they are meaningless.
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Hulkster and Bret. Thats when the title meant something. I don't even know all the titles nowadays. The only real title out there to get is Undertakers undefeated title at Mania.
I don't think he will ever lose at Wrestlemania. I've read that he's not opposed to the idea of losing, but he wants it to be someone who will be a huge star. It probably could have been someone like Brock or Lashley, but they both left the company after they were given a huge push.
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There's one last historical fued left between Undertaker and Shawn. They're gonna go back into the cell for sure. I think if anyone beat The Undertaker at Mania it's gonna be the Show Stopper. Seeing tonights smackdaown though. Nobody is gonna beat Undertaker anytime soon. The guy is better then ever. And with a submission move added to the repitoire. He's just the total package. Top five, if not the greatest ever?
I'll agree with that, the guys been on top of his game for so many years. He's had feud's with so many people over the years there are a few people who could be in the picture to take away his unbeaten streak.
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Karl, related to this topic, I used to belong to a website in the mid 90's where we discussed wrestling. Many of the younger guys talked about how titles were always used to put over talent that couldn't do it otherwise...we older guys said that it was only a new thing in the 90's because in the older days it was most often the top draws who held titles. Were we correct?
It kinda works both ways. You have to think who do the fans want to see. If your trying to get a guy over and it's not working , if you do it right putting the title on him can help. It's easier to get a guy over as a heel then a face. A lot of the times back in the day if a guy was already over he did not need to be Champion. But you might put him in a angle with the champ to draw money. To me IMO there is not reason to have the title on a heel for too long. Look how long Hogan, and Backland were Champions, long time. Iron Sheik on the other hand was only a transitional Champ, he had it for like a month. After Hogan, Savage who was face then Hogan again and the Warrior. All babyfaces.
When wrestling had territories the Champion had to be someone who could travel a lot and could go in and help build up that territories top talent. Thats what Lou Thez ( Babyface) was great at. Same with Jack Brisco (babyface) , Dusty (Babyface). Only few guys could do that as a heel. Flair and Harley race were great at it. The Champion had a lot of pressure on them back then and had to travel more then the other guys. Also to be Champion you had to put a $25,000 deposit down on the belt that way you could not run off with it, or if you decided you did not want to drop in when it was time you were stripped of it, and the NWA kept you money.
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I'll agree with that, the guys been on top of his game for so many years. He's had feud's with so many people over the years there are a few people who could be in the picture to take away his unbeaten streak.
I really thought Orton was going to beat him in 05.
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I really thought Orton was going to beat him in 05.
I was a bit like that last year when he beat Edge.
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Orton.. hands down. Dude is as interesting as a wet stick.
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Orton.. hands down. Dude is as interesting as a wet stick.
He's one of the most natural heels ever though. I can't say I like the guy, but I can't fault his work.
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He's one of the most natural heels ever though. I can't say I like the guy, but I can't fault his work.
ahahah exactly he just looks like a jerk. I think his work has gotten 100 x better since he returned from his injury. I can't stand Brian Kendrick. I know his gimmick is a cowardly heel hiding behind his bodyguard, but i think he is generic and too small to be a believable main eventer.
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ahahah exactly he just looks like a jerk. I think his work has gotten 100 x better since he returned from his injury. I can't stand Brian Kendrick. I know his gimmick is a cowardly heel hiding behind his bodyguard, but i think he is generic and too small to be a believable main eventer.
I can't stand Kendrick either. He's like one of those little chihuahua dogs that you just want to kick til it shuts up. And dancing around like Axl Rose just finishes it all off.
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I can't stand Kendrick either. He's like one of those little chihuahua dogs that you just want to kick til it shuts up. And dancing around like Axl Rose just finishes it all off.
hahh yes that gay dance and that jacket annoy the hell out of me and not the good hate when a heel does his job and makes you dislike him.
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Batista. I hate that guy. I change the channel when he comes on. His Tats are so incredibly weak. Especially the one on his back!
(http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/635/635699/batista-animal-unleashed-20050721051503000.jpg)
His intro is great because it looks like he is firing a gun and i am just waiting to see him shit his pants!!
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I'm adding Kozlov to the list, the guy is getting worse the more I see him.
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After Wrestlemania, I'm adding Hornswoggle to the list. I know he's not a 'wrestler', but I'm beyond sick of him. Finlay needs to go back to being on his own, kicking ass.
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the hardys dont belong anywhere but in tlc matches not singles and certainly not hwy champs
randy orton is just fuked and annoying
that little guy with that big black guy Ezekiel just annoying and worthless
hornswoggle is just useless with no talent. midgets worked well with doink the clown not someone like fit finley
jack swagger when ever i see him i feel like punching him in the head
edge hes the same as the hardys i wonder why they are pushing him so hard
the big show he isnt doing anything, not in any good story lines camt wrestle for shit and has shit mic skills
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that little guy with that big black guy Ezekiel just annoying and worthless
hornswoggle is just useless with no talent. midgets worked well with doink the clown not someone like fit finley
jack swagger when ever i see him i feel like punching him in the head
Agree.
I don't get Brian Kendrick at all either. I haven't seen enough of Swagger yet to make up my mind.
the hardys dont belong anywhere but in tlc matches not singles and certainly not hwy champs
randy orton is just fuked and annoying
edge hes the same as the hardys i wonder why they are pushing him so hard
the big show he isnt doing anything, not in any good story lines camt wrestle for shit and has shit mic skills
Disagree.
The Hardy's are both decent wrestlers. I don't think they are World Title guys, but they are definitely solid mid-card wrestlers.
Randy Orton is a very talented athlete, and arguably the best heel in the business at the moment.
Edge is also one of the best heels in the business. You want him to fail, you want him to get screwed over. I don't like the guy, but it's his character I don't like, not his ability.
Ric Flair referred to the Big Show as the 'best big guy in the business'. I think he's good on the mic, doesn't take himself too seriously and you can tell he's having fun.
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After Wrestlemania, I'm adding Hornswoggle to the list. I know he's not a 'wrestler', but I'm beyond sick of him. Finlay needs to go back to being on his own, kicking ass.
I agree 100% can't stand him
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Not on the roster but Goldberg was overrated.
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for me Kane is underrated :-\
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Edge is not getting pushed? Edge is there. Edge is a Superstar. I don't even like Canadians and believe he's definitely earned the right to be a main eventer. 8 time World champ? The title doesn't mean anything anymore but Edge is still great. Orton is misused. The guy has all the potential in the World. Big Show. Remember when he went to ECW and was literally destroying people? This guy is so big, so strong, and so agile if they let him be him? No one could match him. It would sink the ship. Paul Heyman always said Show was the most under used superstar on the roster. He'll never reach his true potential because it would sink the ship. The Big Show is the best Big Man that ever entered the square circle.
i never liked edge the singles wrestler i liked him with christian because they fed of each other to make a great match.
orton just talks to much in the ring. i dont mind backstage promos but damn all these half hour speeches in the middle of the ring is wasting wrestling time. can he wrestle sure but he needs coaching on mic skills to be complete i think he falls in the same category as shelton benjamin.
what made big show great was he was able to use his strength and size to decimate his opponents even the bigger opponents. all he deciamtes is the smaller wrestlers with that ko punch as a finisher. when he would choke slam people you knew this was a big bad fuker. now he kos people. i dont know if he is just lazy or what but he should use size and abilities to fuk up big guys. shit brock lesnar would pick up bigger opponents and slam them every where why cant big show do the same
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We've discussed the most underrated, so what about the most overrated? Who gets too much exposure, got a push they didn't deserve, shouldn't even be on TV?
My first thought is Brian Kendrick. I don't get what his character is supposed to be, I don't enjoy his matches, and I can't see what they're doing with him.
Brian Kendrick is on Smackdown.
On raw the most over-rated would have to be Batista. He is built like a shit brickhouse but he can't wrestle for shit. Plus from what I heard he is very arrogant backstage not to mention he's always injured.
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I'm adding Sheamus to this. Every week I hope that he does something to change my mind, but it's not happening. The guy's got no charisma, and should never have been given a title run so soon.
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I'm adding Sheamus to this. Every week I hope that he does something to change my mind, but it's not happening. The guy's got no charisma, and should never have been given a title run so soon.
I can't see Sheamus walking out of the Elimination chamber PPV with the title. I think Orton will win it and head into WM. I can also see the Undertaker retaining his title and Edge challenging him to a title match at WM.
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Sheamus is merely a transitional champion...for now.
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Sheamus is merely a transitional champion...for now.
Yup....I can totally see him losing the title in the chamber.
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It kinda works both ways. You have to think who do the fans want to see. If your trying to get a guy over and it's not working , if you do it right putting the title on him can help. It's easier to get a guy over as a heel then a face. A lot of the times back in the day if a guy was already over he did not need to be Champion. But you might put him in a angle with the champ to draw money. To me IMO there is not reason to have the title on a heel for too long. Look how long Hogan, and Backland were Champions, long time. Iron Sheik on the other hand was only a transitional Champ, he had it for like a month. After Hogan, Savage who was face then Hogan again and the Warrior. All babyfaces.
When wrestling had territories the Champion had to be someone who could travel a lot and could go in and help build up that territories top talent. Thats what Lou Thez ( Babyface) was great at. Same with Jack Brisco (babyface) , Dusty (Babyface). Only few guys could do that as a heel. Flair and Harley race were great at it. The Champion had a lot of pressure on them back then and had to travel more then the other guys. Also to be Champion you had to put a $25,000 deposit down on the belt that way you could not run off with it, or if you decided you did not want to drop in when it was time you were stripped of it, and the NWA kept you money.
Carl you are right about how much more the title meant in the old days. And heels were just to transistion one babyface to another. Except for Superstar Billy Graham. He actually held the title for 9 months, and was starting to get very popular. He could have turned babyface, or continued to have a successfull run as a heel champion.
Graham sold out Madison Square Garden I believe almost every time he headlined there as champ. You either loved him or hated him. Vince has even admitted that maybe he should have waited a while to push Baclund and let Superstar continue his run. But back then, like you said, heels were just there to give a reason for another face to win the title back.
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Undertaker is losing tonight for sure. He's definitely not losing at Mania. He just beat Rey last PPV. He's losing the belt tonight and just defending the Streak at WM.
Good call here, Chef. That's exactly what happened. I thought for sure that Edge would end up challenging the Undertaker at WM26 just to through a knuckleball at the fans. Undertaker will face Michaels in a Streak vs Career match. Personally, I would have loved to see a "buried alive" match. How suitible would it be for those two?
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Best would have been Hell in a Cell II. This match is going to be awesome! This is for HBKs Legacy. He's gonna put on the performance of his career. If he beats the streak I don't wanna hear a peep outta anyone saying HBK isn't the greatest ever.
I have a funny feeling he'll win on a count that I can't see him loosing twice in a row at a WM event. Unless there is outside interference that gets him dq'd or counted out thus keeping the streak alive and HBK's career in tact.
On a personal side, I hope the Undertaker wins just because I don't want to see the streak end. It will definately be a killer match and the best on the card.
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I cannot say if Shawn deserves the win or not? The guy has already had the most glamorous career already. Taking the streak wouldn't make him look that much greater? His Legacy is already set in stone. Loosing the streak will definitely make the Undertaker look really bad though.
HBK looses the match with some sorta controversy and doesn't have to retire. Next Mania Undertaker faces Cena. Wins. Then retires.
I was hoping to see a HHH vs HBK match. But I am now starting to accept a sequal to a Taker vs HBK match. I still say they should have had a buried alive match. We've already seen them in a hell in the cell.
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Batista. I hate that guy. I change the channel when he comes on. His Tats are so incredibly weak. Especially the one on his back!
(http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/635/635699/batista-animal-unleashed-20050721051503000.jpg)
I read somewhere in this forum that Batista used to be a real badass b efore joining wwe.
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Batista had a hard life. He grew up in the prjects of Washington DC. His father left him and his mother and sister to fend for themselves. He lived a very tough life and weak tats or not, the guy is 6'5" and is huge and ripped to the bone. I'm sure he could easily rip apart anyone in his path and still make time for a coffee.
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what about the biggg khalid? is he overrated?
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what about the biggg khalid? is he overrated?
The Great Khali was stricty hired based on his size. Just like Giant Gonzolas was back in the day. Vince likes big guys as he markets the crap out of them.
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The Great Khali was stricty hired based on his size. Just like Giant Gonzolas was back in the day. Vince likes big guys as he markets the crap out of them.
Agreed, honestly who can expect a man over 7 feet to have the technical abilities of Lance Storm, Bret Hart or Chris Jericho. They are there because of their size.
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The Great Khali was stricty hired based on his size. Just like Giant Gonzolas was back in the day. Vince likes big guys as he markets the crap out of them.
Those were some painful matches to watch...
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Edge is way better as a heel and thats where he saw the bulk of his sucess and run as heavyweight champion.
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It's what I call the weapon of last defense. Either you fued with VKM or you join forces with him. Our latest candidate? Batista. New Tats and all. Anytime any star needs a push they turn to the Federations biggest star VKM.
He should have a good match with Cena at WM. They can put on a good show as they click well together in the ring.
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Sorry bro but Chavo is very underrated.
I agree, a lot of talent that could be used. On of the best drop kicks in the game.
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I agree, a lot of talent that could be used. On of the best drop kicks in the game.
Agreed 100%
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Batista is a much better heel then a face.
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Koslov is fucking brutal - now WWE would say that hes getting heat and he is, but its because hes so fucking inept in the ring that people are screaming at him to make him aware of how shit he truly is.
Awful.
They buried Koslov. Remember in 2008, he was beating everyone in sight. And in early 2009, he got a CLEAN WIN OVER THE UNDERTAKER on Smackdown as was being promoted as the guy to challenge 'Taker and his undefeated WrestleMania streak.
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They buried Koslov. Remember in 2008, he was beating everyone in sight. And in early 2009, he got a CLEAN WIN OVER THE UNDERTAKER on Smackdown as was being promoted as the guy to challenge 'Taker and his undefeated WrestleMania streak.
The problem there isn't with Koslov'swrestling skill. Its his mic skills. He is far too stale. He used to come to the ring with no entrance music until they gave him that cheezy ruccian track. He cannot deliver a promo if his life depended on it. Sad but fact. To be successful in pro wrestling you must have the total package (no pun intended to luger's name, lol). You need to be able to wrestle, pop the crowd, do good promo's and more importantly DRAW.
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Unless you're a "Benoit."
And, let's be glad that more people AREN'T.
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The problem there isn't with Koslov'swrestling skill. Its his mic skills. He is far too stale. He used to come to the ring with no entrance music until they gave him that cheezy ruccian track. He cannot deliver a promo if his life depended on it. Sad but fact. To be successful in pro wrestling you must have the total package (no pun intended to luger's name, lol). You need to be able to wrestle, pop the crowd, do good promo's and more importantly DRAW.
This is where the old school had it right with managers. They weren't just props....they actually got over the talent who couldn't cut promos.
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This is where the old school had it right with managers. They weren't just props....they actually got over the talent who couldn't cut promos.
Heenan usually sold his "clients'" shots better than they did.
Bobby managed like a wrestler & wrestled like a manage.
Genius.
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Heenan usually sold his "clients'" shots better than they did.
Bobby managed like a wrestler & wrestled like a manage.
Genius.
The classic managers of the eighties were GOLD. Bobby Heenan, Mr.Fuji, Jimmy Hart, Johnny Valient & Freddy Blassie / Slick were simply the best.
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The classic managers of the eighties were GOLD. Bobby Heenan, Mr.Fuji, Jimmy Hart, Johnny Valient & Freddy Blassie / Slick were simply the best.
I always thought Paul Ellering was very under-rated, especially his early work in georgia....the guy is brilliant and it comes thru in his interviews.
Also, I would add Skandar Akbar, Paul Jones (he put over the PoP and Fernandez and Rood very well, Sir Oliver Humperdink, Cornette and JJ Dillon.....I'm sure I'm leaving out a ton, but those are off the top of my head.
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I always thought Paul Ellering was very under-rated, especially his early work in georgia....the guy is brilliant and it comes thru in his interviews.
Also, I would add Skandar Akbar, Paul Jones (he put over the PoP and Fernandez and Rood very well, Sir Oliver Humperdink, Cornette and JJ Dillon.....I'm sure I'm leaving out a ton, but those are off the top of my head.
Absolutely. I was referring to WWE managers. There are tons more and you provided beautiful examples.
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The classic managers of the eighties were GOLD. Bobby Heenan, Mr.Fuji, Jimmy Hart, Johnny Valient & Freddy Blassie / Slick were simply the best.
Valiant was a much better manager than wrestler.
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Valiant was a much better manager than wrestler.
He was funny as shit on the mic too when he did the odd commentary.