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Title: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 14, 2009, 03:17:47 PM
Tonight I had my first wrestling training session, and I am sore as hell.  I must admit, I was pretty nervous beforehand, but it went fine and I actually really enjoyed it.  They started by going through a few basic moves, and how to fall correctly, and then me and another newbie had 10 minutes to come up with a short match, which I lost.   :'(

Then there was an elimination match with everyone, two in the ring at a time.  This was to get us used to working off the top of your head, and with random people at the same time.

All in all, it was good fun.  Although I don't know if I'll be saying that tomorrow!
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: Montague on September 14, 2009, 04:17:14 PM
Damn…
They teach you a back bump, how to lock up, and then want you to put together a match? ???

Sounds good, though.
Keep us posted.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 14, 2009, 05:13:17 PM
Damn…
They teach you a back bump, how to lock up, and then want you to put together a match? ???

Sounds good, though.
Keep us posted.

Good luck!

Yeah, front bump, back bump, lock up, arm lock, couple of ways out of the arm lock.  Everything else was kinda improvised.  I think I did alright, I got beat when I went for a crossbody, but the other guy caught me and did a World's Strongest Slam on me.   >:(

It's weird though, I've just watched Breaking Point from last night, and I saw everything in a completely different way.  Each time they did a move/sequence, I was thinking, hmm... could I do that, how could I fit that into a match...  It was weird.
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 14, 2009, 06:30:17 PM
Yeah, front bump, back bump, lock up, arm lock, couple of ways out of the arm lock.  Everything else was kinda improvised.  I think I did alright, I got beat when I went for a crossbody, but the other guy caught me and did a World's Strongest Slam on me.   >:(

It's weird though, I've just watched Breaking Point from last night, and I saw everything in a completely different way.  Each time they did a move/sequence, I was thinking, hmm... could I do that, how could I fit that into a match...  It was weird.


Very cool leon.  It would be cool if you kept a video log of your progress.  Believe me, when you are old and broken down, it will be fun to look back on.
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: Montague on September 14, 2009, 07:29:26 PM
I trust they informed you that the “softest” part of the ring is in the middle?
Try to aim for that area when taking harder bumps.

Hopefully they have a decent wrestling ring for you guys to practice in, and not a fukking boxing ring, which is significantly harder.
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: flexingtonsteele on September 14, 2009, 11:06:39 PM
where is this school that ur going to?

thats VERY uncommon to do a "match" ur first day of training.

usually its just back bump and front bumps at the most! maybe running the ropes too.
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 15, 2009, 05:05:52 AM

Very cool leon.  It would be cool if you kept a video log of your progress.  Believe me, when you are old and broken down, it will be fun to look back on.

My gf was asking me to take some pictures as well.  I might take a camera along next week and get some pics.
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 15, 2009, 05:09:20 AM
I trust they informed you that the “softest” part of the ring is in the middle?
Try to aim for that area when taking harder bumps.

Hopefully they have a decent wrestling ring for you guys to practice in, and not a fukking boxing ring, which is significantly harder.


Yeah, they did, the slam that finished me off was in the centre luckily.

I think it's a wrestling ring?  It's a massive metal frame (which we had to set up first!) with 1 inch sheets of plywood, then some foam sheets, then two canvas covers on top.  It seemed alright, and the bumps didn't seem to hurt as much as I was expecting them to.
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 15, 2009, 05:15:25 AM
where is this school that ur going to?

thats VERY uncommon to do a "match" ur first day of training.

usually its just back bump and front bumps at the most! maybe running the ropes too.

It's just a small franchised company I think.  They've got a website somewhere, I'll try and find out what it is. 

We all had to run the ropes / bumps as a warm-up, then it was straight into learning some moves.  I'm a very impatient person anyway, so I wanted to get right in there.  My only worry was planning the match out, cos I'm quite an organised person, I'd have preferred to have it sorted beforehand.  But in the end one of the other guys called the first few sequences for us, then let us do the second half ourselves.
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: flexingtonsteele on September 15, 2009, 02:00:36 PM
It's just a small franchised company I think.  They've got a website somewhere, I'll try and find out what it is. 

We all had to run the ropes / bumps as a warm-up, then it was straight into learning some moves.  I'm a very impatient person anyway, so I wanted to get right in there.  My only worry was planning the match out, cos I'm quite an organised person, I'd have preferred to have it sorted beforehand.  But in the end one of the other guys called the first few sequences for us, then let us do the second half ourselves.

make sure its a reputable school bro, if no one from there has done anything in the business, dont go there!

good luck!!
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 15, 2009, 02:12:17 PM
make sure its a reputable school bro, if no one from there has done anything in the business, dont go there!

good luck!!

It's tricky to use that theory over here, cos anyone who makes it in this business ends up in America!  The guy who runs the place has wrestled all over, someone said he'd had a match against Jake Roberts once, but that was probably in some indy show somewhere in the UK.
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: Montague on September 15, 2009, 05:25:44 PM
someone said he'd had a match against Jake Roberts once...

 ;D
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on September 15, 2009, 06:11:02 PM
It's tricky to use that theory over here, cos anyone who makes it in this business ends up in America!  The guy who runs the place has wrestled all over, someone said he'd had a match against Jake Roberts once, but that was probably in some indy show somewhere in the UK.

Good luck, bro. Hope you can make something of a career out of it. Always was a childhood fantasy of mine to become a professional wrestler. Never tried to do it, though. :(

I know you post on Getbig a lot but how big a guy are you? Height? Weight?
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 16, 2009, 04:40:51 AM
;D

I know!  But we don't get many big stars doing the circuits over here.  Usually just former WWE rejects or has beens.  Apparently Doug Basham does the occasional show for these guys as well!  Star power right there.
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 16, 2009, 04:46:11 AM
Good luck, bro. Hope you can make something of a career out of it. Always was a childhood fantasy of mine to become a professional wrestler. Never tried to do it, though. :(

I know you post on Getbig a lot but how big a guy are you? Height? Weight?

It's never gonna be a career for me.  It's something I've started doing for fun really, I'd like to be able to do a few local shows here and there, but nothing more.  I've got a family to support and £10-£20 for a show doesn't go very far.

I'm only a small guy, 5' 9" 175lbs without visible abs...  :-[
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: Montague on September 16, 2009, 05:35:20 AM
I know!  But we don't get many big stars doing the circuits over here.  Usually just former WWE rejects or has beens.  Apparently Doug Basham does the occasional show for these guys as well!  Star power right there.

:)
I wasn’t laughing at you or your trainers, brother.
What you’re doing takes a lot of skill & guts.

That one post just reminded me of a guy I knew who trained under Dominic Denucci at the same time Mick Foley & Shane Douglas were there.

I think afterwards he only wrestled locally, part-time for a year or so. He never even became a jobber for Fed squash matches.

But he always tells people that he “worked” with Mankind & “The Franchise.”
While omitting information regarding the capacity of his “work,” he’s telling the truth, but you can see how misleading that statement can be.
He’s a nice guy anyway, and certainly not the only one to talk like that.
 ;)
Title: Re: Started training tonight...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 16, 2009, 11:35:08 AM
:)
I wasn’t laughing at you or your trainers, brother.
What you’re doing takes a lot of skill & guts.

That one post just reminded me of a guy I knew who trained under Dominic Denucci at the same time Mick Foley & Shane Douglas were there.

I think afterwards he only wrestled locally, part-time for a year or so. He never even became a jobber for Fed squash matches.

But he always tells people that he “worked” with Mankind & “The Franchise.”
While omitting information regarding the capacity of his “work,” he’s telling the truth, but you can see how misleading that statement can be.
He’s a nice guy anyway, and certainly not the only one to talk like that.
 ;)

I gotta admit I laughed myself when someone mentioned it.  I couldn't help wondering what state Roberts was in during the match.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 18, 2009, 04:40:10 PM
Just to update, today is the first day I have full movement back in my neck!  The muscles down the front of my throat were so sore, I had trouble tilting my head just to drink!  But it's gone now, and I figure it won't be so bad once I get used to it.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on September 18, 2009, 07:44:39 PM
Your body will develop some tolerance to bumping, etc.
But don’t mistake that for invincibility.
It is still very possible to get very hurt.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 19, 2009, 08:49:30 AM
Your body will develop some tolerance to bumping, etc.
But don’t mistake that for invincibility.
It is still very possible to get very hurt.


As long as the soreness doesn't last 4 days I'm happy.  I doubt I'll be taking any major bumps anytime soon.  If it gets too much I'll just develop a dependancy on painkillers...

 ;D
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on September 19, 2009, 09:19:31 PM
Living the dream...
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 20, 2009, 07:59:26 AM
Living the dream...

Haha, damn right!
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 23, 2009, 06:17:34 PM
Unfortunately no training this week, as my gf had already planned a family get-together for my b'day.  Instead I met up with a couple of the other guys last night and had a good chat about some bits and bobs.  I've got a couple of moves and ideas I wanted to get their opinion on, and one of the more experienced guys said he'd train me one-on-one next week, which was good.

They're doing a show in 3 weeks, so if I can get the basics down, I might get thrown in as fodder in a Royal Rumble!
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on September 23, 2009, 06:19:56 PM
Does your promotion use women in any capacity?
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 23, 2009, 06:23:29 PM
Does your promotion use women in any capacity?

There were a couple of girls at training the first week.  One of them was too scared of getting hurt, dropping from clotheslines before the actual impact.  I think she's a manager for one of the heels.  The other girl I didn't see much of, but the other guys said she's awesome, not afraid to get in there and be thrown about.  Apparently she does a mean hurricanrana (spelling?).
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 28, 2009, 04:41:14 PM
Had my second training session tonight.  It went really well, started off with the same drills, then into some sequences.  I missed some stuff last week so I had to catch up pretty quick.  Things learned tonight were: Cross body off the second rope, and hip toss.  They did suplexes and scoop slams last week, so I didn't get much training on those, but I took a few tonight!

The guy who was going to train with me had to go look after his son for the night, so I was put with the other newbie guy from the first week again.  We had a decent match tonight, some of the other guys even came up to compliment us on it, which was nice.  I got a couple of spots in I wanted to try, and finished the guy off with a high knee straight into a swinging neck breaker!  (I think Miz does it?).

Only downside tonight was when I took a hip toss, I went sideways as I flipped and landed on my shoulder instead of my back.  It kinda feels like I've trapped a nerve somewhere in my shoulder now, but I'll see what it's like tomorrow.

So, all in all, a good night.  The boss guy said I could take part in a show in a fortnight, just getting thrown out of a Rumble!  That'll do nicely for my first time!
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on September 28, 2009, 04:55:15 PM
Only downside tonight was when I took a hip toss, I went sideways as I flipped and landed on my shoulder instead of my back.  It kinda feels like I've trapped a nerve somewhere in my shoulder now, but I'll see what it's like tomorrow.

Be prepared for this. It's a common theme.
You'll always have some little ass-ache - being in a constant minor (at best) state of discomfort.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on September 28, 2009, 04:59:27 PM
Be prepared for this. It's a common theme.
You'll always have some little ass-ache - being in a constant minor (at best) state of discomfort.

Yeah, hopefully I'll get used to it.  As long as is doesn't affect my day job then it's not really a problem.  I'm used to being sore from the gym, so little aches aren't much bother.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 05, 2009, 12:58:52 PM
Just got back from this week's training session, which was outdoors, cos the usual venue had a function on.  Bit different but it was OK.  Had to pack up a bit earlier than normal cos it was getting dark!  We went through quite a few things tonight, back drops, suplexes, scoop slam, sunset flip and spine buster.  As you'd imagine the impact on the spine buster is pretty harsh, especially when you're quite light and they can get you really high.  I think I forgot to tense my neck and keep my head forward though, as my head hit the canvas pretty hard.

I didn't get to do a one on one match this week due to the time constraints, so it was just the elimination match we always end with.  Unfortunately someone decided to suplex me a bit too close to the ropes, and my leg got caught on the middle rope on the way down, which has pulled something in my knee.  Doesn't seem too bad, but it's quite tender to walk on.

There are 3 shows next week, the first on Monday.  I think I'll just be in the rumble for that one, but the boss guy said he wants me to do a tag match at a show next Thursday.  I'm not sure yet, it seems a bit early.  I don't mind being thrown in at the deep end, but I don't fancy making an ass of myself if I forget something?  We'll see what happens I suppose.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: The Showstoppa on October 05, 2009, 01:05:24 PM
Just got back from this week's training session, which was outdoors, cos the usual venue had a function on.  Bit different but it was OK.  Had to pack up a bit earlier than normal cos it was getting dark!  We went through quite a few things tonight, back drops, suplexes, scoop slam, sunset flip and spine buster.  As you'd imagine the impact on the spine buster is pretty harsh, especially when you're quite light and they can get you really high.  I think I forgot to tense my neck and keep my head forward though, as my head hit the canvas pretty hard.

I didn't get to do a one on one match this week due to the time constraints, so it was just the elimination match we always end with.  Unfortunately someone decided to suplex me a bit too close to the ropes, and my leg got caught on the middle rope on the way down, which has pulled something in my knee.  Doesn't seem too bad, but it's quite tender to walk on.

There are 3 shows next week, the first on Monday.  I think I'll just be in the rumble for that one, but the boss guy said he wants me to do a tag match at a show next Thursday.  I'm not sure yet, it seems a bit early.  I don't mind being thrown in at the deep end, but I don't fancy making an ass of myself if I forget something?  We'll see what happens I suppose.

Awesome.  If you can, it would be really cool to post a vid of one of your matches.  Maybe we could help with a critique, etc.... either way it would be cool.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 05, 2009, 03:28:14 PM
I'll definitely have some pics from the shows next week, I'm not sure about vids.  There were a couple of guys at last weeks training session who were looking at videoing the shows for us to put onto the website, so I'll have to see if they're gonna be about.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: The Showstoppa on October 06, 2009, 07:57:54 AM
I'll definitely have some pics from the shows next week, I'm not sure about vids.  There were a couple of guys at last weeks training session who were looking at videoing the shows for us to put onto the website, so I'll have to see if they're gonna be about.

Awesome.  Keep us updated.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 14, 2009, 03:58:21 PM
Had training tonight, which was rearranged from Monday.  Tomorrow night is going to be my in-ring debut, in a tag match.  We went through it tonight, but I'm not happy with how it went.  It's slightly less work, but it's a lot harder to communicate between all four people.  We did the match twice, but we missed quite a few of the spots we'd planned.  I hope it all works out tomorrow night.

There'll be some pics taken of the match, so I'll put a few on here.  There might be a video, but nothing's been confirmed yet.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 15, 2009, 04:50:42 PM
Just back from the show, and it was awesome!  I was so nervous beforehand, it was freaking me out looking out into the venue, with all these people.  The match got changed slightly from training, as they put a much more experienced guy in as my tag partner, against two other relatively new guys.  So I think I got the better end of the bargain there, as I could just tag in my partner if I got into any trouble.

I'm a bit sore, few bruises here and there, but it was an amazing feeling.  Standing on the ropes in the corner, looking down on all these people cheering for you, having kids wanting to slap hands with you on the way to the ring, it was crazy.  I can understand a whole lot more how the professionals find it hard to give up that high.

The video guys were there and filmed the whole event from several angles.  I've asked them to email me my match once they get the editing done.  In the meantime, my sister's boyfriend video'd my match on his phone, and said he'd put it on YouTube, so I'll post it here as soon as it's up.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: The Showstoppa on October 15, 2009, 05:03:18 PM
Just back from the show, and it was awesome!  I was so nervous beforehand, it was freaking me out looking out into the venue, with all these people.  The match got changed slightly from training, as they put a much more experienced guy in as my tag partner, against two other relatively new guys.  So I think I got the better end of the bargain there, as I could just tag in my partner if I got into any trouble.

I'm a bit sore, few bruises here and there, but it was an amazing feeling.  Standing on the ropes in the corner, looking down on all these people cheering for you, having kids wanting to slap hands with you on the way to the ring, it was crazy.  I can understand a whole lot more how the professionals find it hard to give up that high.

The video guys were there and filmed the whole event from several angles.  I've asked them to email me my match once they get the editing done.  In the meantime, my sister's boyfriend video'd my match on his phone, and said he'd put it on YouTube, so I'll post it here as soon as it's up.

Awesome!  Sounds like you had a great time too.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 15, 2009, 05:08:41 PM
Awesome!  Sounds like you had a great time too.

It was a lot more enjoyable once I got out there.  It really is nerve wracking beforehand, worrying that you're gonna mess something up and make your opponent look stupid.  But once I went out, it all kinda went away, and I could just focus on getting my moves right.  I'm hoping the video looks alright now!
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on October 15, 2009, 05:44:23 PM
Congratulations.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 16, 2009, 05:45:07 AM
Congratulations.

Cheers mate!

How long have you been wrestling?
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on October 16, 2009, 05:50:04 AM
I don't do it anymore, and didn't do it that long to begin with.

Too many ass-aches, pains, and traveling, etc. for too little money.
It actually cost more than I made - at least if I'd broken even...
But it was that way for a lot of the guys.

Besides, I love my free time, and I had NONE when "working."

Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 16, 2009, 01:58:11 PM
I don't do it anymore, and didn't do it that long to begin with.

Too many ass-aches, pains, and traveling, etc. for too little money.
It actually cost more than I made - at least if I'd broken even...
But it was that way for a lot of the guys.

Besides, I love my free time, and I had NONE when "working."

Yeah, I doubt I'll ever even make enough to cover the cost of the gear I've bought!  It's only gonna be a part-time thing for me, an occasional show here and there.  It was loads of fun, but I couldn't do it as a career.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on October 16, 2009, 03:45:30 PM
So long as you enjoy it, you’re doing it for the right reason.




Besides, “pro-wrestler” always looks good on a resume.
 :)
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 16, 2009, 03:54:15 PM
Besides, “pro-wrestler” always looks good on a resume.
 :)

 ;D
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on October 16, 2009, 05:14:17 PM
Actually, that can be a serious statement.

I submitted some photos to a local casting agency a few years back.
I only worked on one commercial set and had no real acting experience to speak of.
Well, I had to write something on the resume/profile, so I mentioned martial arts & pro-wrestling, which I described as “theatrical” wrestling so there’d be no confusion.

Anyway, it was based on that info that I got a call to audition for the lead killer in a “slasher” flick they were about to start filming.
No lines, and I’d have worn a mask the whole time, but it was decent pay and an opportunity to work in front of a camera with every single star/costar on a movie set.
How many people have done that?

My point is, there are so many OTHER doors that can open from opportunities you take.
You never know where something will lead you, so go do it.
What are you going to lose?
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 17, 2009, 12:22:51 AM
Actually, that can be a serious statement.

I submitted some photos to a local casting agency a few years back.
I only worked on one commercial set and had no real acting experience to speak of.
Well, I had to write something on the resume/profile, so I mentioned martial arts & pro-wrestling, which I described as “theatrical” wrestling so there’d be no confusion.

Anyway, it was based on that info that I got a call to audition for the lead killer in a “slasher” flick they were about to start filming.
No lines, and I’d have worn a mask the whole time, but it was decent pay and an opportunity to work in front of a camera with every single star/costar on a movie set.
How many people have done that?

My point is, there are so many OTHER doors that can open from opportunities you take.
You never know where something will lead you, so go do it.
What are you going to lose?


That's good advice, cheers!

I've never been much of a performer, in fact I've always been the exact opposite!  I'm usually pretty quiet, and having people watch me do something has always been something I've avoided.  I'm hoping this little venture will help me overcome this slightly!
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: mass 04 on October 17, 2009, 01:50:56 PM
maybe we'll see leon in a 'Mr Nanny' remake?
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on October 17, 2009, 02:04:15 PM
I hear the producers of the original won't release the rights because they are holding out for a higher offer.



They know what they're sitting on.
 ;)

Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 18, 2009, 04:47:29 PM
Hahaha, right, here we go then.  World exclusive first look right here!!!

To be honest, I'm not happy with it at all.  Some of the moves are dreadful, I spend too much time watching my opponent, and I go from beaten up to fresh again in about 3 seconds.  Much work is needed, I think.

Please give any advice/pointers/criticism at all.  Although, try to keep it constructive!

Anyway, here you go:

EDIT:  Yes, I'm the skinny fat twink in white PVC pants with brutal face paint...



Title: Re: Leon's First Match:
Post by: Montague on October 18, 2009, 05:35:28 PM
You looked good out there, man – especially considering how green you are; “green” meaning “new.”

I hope the dude in the blue tank is also new. You should always kick out of a pin early in a match. Simply raising your arm is lame, and should be reserved for later in a match when you’re spent – both as part of the story and for real.

Neither of your opponents got up very high for your arm drags & hip tosses, etc.
They really dragged their feet. You seemed a lot more lively.

One criticism: the double clothesline at 5:13 was pretty weak. You and your buddy looked like you barely touched the guy with your palms. And your partner moved his hand away before the opponent even began the sell.
I would follow through with shots like that. You can do it without knocking the other guy’s head off.

Your partner also did a similar thing towards the end of the match while administering a series of clotheslines. And the sells were just as slow and weak.

Aside from some of the acrobatic stuff your friend in yellow did, you were the best one out there.
You put in some good emotion.
You played to the fans a bit – definitely do that more whether you’re a heel or a face.
It was obvious from their reaction that the people were into what you were doing.
The timing will come with experience.

For a first match, I think you did very, very well.

Congratulations.
Title: Re: Leon's First Match:
Post by: leonp1981 on October 18, 2009, 06:06:56 PM
You looked good out there, man – especially considering how green you are; “green” meaning “new.”

I hope the dude in the blue tank is also new. You should always kick out of a pin early in a match. Simply raising your arm is lame, and should be reserved for later in a match when you’re spent – both as part of the story and for real.

The guy in blue is relatively new, he's been around a bit longer than me.  The opponent in black started the same time as me. 

I'll definitely start to kick out earlier, that's a good point.

Neither of your opponents got up very high for your arm drags & hip tosses, etc.
They really dragged their feet. You seemed a lot more lively.

Never really noticed that, I've just watched it back and I see what you mean.  I tried to be a bit more bouncy, cos I think that's the only way I'm gonna get over with the fans.  I wanna try some of the things the guy in yellow was doing.

One criticism: the double clothesline at 5:13 was pretty weak. You and your buddy looked like you barely touched the guy with your palms. And your partner moved his hand away before the opponent even began the sell.
I would follow through with shots like that. You can do it without knocking the other guy’s head off.

Your partner also did a similar thing towards the end of the match while administering a series of clotheslines. And the sells were just as slow and weak.

That clothesline was garbage!  I never noticed it during the match, but I missed his hand completely, so we didn't get the desired effect.  He looked a bit pissed afterwards as well!  I do need to put a bit more into my clotheslines.

I think the yellow guys clotheslines at the end were more lariat type hits?  I don't know on this one.

Aside from some of the acrobatic stuff your friend in yellow did, you were the best one out there.
You put in some good emotion.
You played to the fans a bit – definitely do that more whether you’re a heel or a face.
It was obvious from their reaction that the people were into what you were doing.
The timing will come with experience.

For a first match, I think you did very, very well.

Congratulations.

The guy in yellow has been wrestling for 13 years, and is one of the headliners of our little promotion.  It was quite a big thing for me to get partnered with him in my first match, there are some guys there who haven't worked with him in 6 months.

He is a good worker, but he seems to be a perfectionist, and when a few spots got missed during the start of the match, he got a bit pissed.  I can see why, but we were all beginners, so maybe a bit of leeway was needed.  I don't think the missed spots were that noticeable to the crowd.

I liked playing to the crowd and I'll definitely do that more next time.  There were about 100 people there, so it was a decent first audience for me.

There's a lot for me to work on.  Definitely my clotheslines, my dropkick at the start didn't have enough height, I'm making it too obvious that I'm watching/listening to my opponents.  So all that can start tomorrow night at training!

Thanks for taking the time to watch and give me feedback!

 8)
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: The Showstoppa on October 18, 2009, 07:06:50 PM
I think you looked really good considering how limited your training time has been. 

Like Montague said, you looked full of energy and it helped get over with the crowd.  I think the timing will improve with experience.

Just something from a longtime fan standpoint....really sell your movements.  For example when you whip someone into the corner or rope, look like you are forcing them and follow thru by stepping a step or two towards them after you shoot them....it really makes it look more polished and you aren't waiting on the guy to hit the corner or ropes by just standing there.  Maybe Montague knows what I mean and can explain it in better wrestler jargon.

Honestly, you should really be proud for a first effort.  I've watched more seasoned guys who didn't look nearly as good as you did.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on October 18, 2009, 07:46:04 PM
I know what you’re saying.
That’s really more of a finesse thing.
A few guys naturally have it, some pick up on it rather easily, and the rest go by the name “Ultimate Warrior.”

One of the best examples can be learned watching a Chris Benoit match.
Watch how he sets up for an Irish Whip:

 He grabs his opponents left wrist with his own left hand.
 The right forearm is used to push his opponent into the ropes.
 He really pushes his opponent into the ropes to set up a recoil effect.
 He then squats down a bit maneuvering his hips into a lower position of leverage.
 By now, his right hand has slid down to meet his left so that he’s holding his opponent’s wrist with both hands.
 He leads the pull with his ass/hips just as you would playing tug of war.
 As the opponent starts his trip, Benoit’s right hand now releases its grip on the wrist and moves to the guy’s left scapula to apply projectile force from the posterior side of the body.
 It looks as if Benoit fired the guy across the ring and those steel core ropes are the only things that may stop him.

You could break it down even further than that, but you get the point. Using body english and nonverbal suggestion, you make that initial pull from the ropes literally look like you’re playing tug of war.
It looks less choreographed and more like you’re putting all you’ve got into sailing that guy across the ring for real.
  
When you can apply that type of subtlety to everything you do in the ring, you will achieve Zen and be making at least $40.00 USD per match.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 19, 2009, 04:31:16 AM
I think you looked really good considering how limited your training time has been. 

Like Montague said, you looked full of energy and it helped get over with the crowd.  I think the timing will improve with experience.

Just something from a longtime fan standpoint....really sell your movements.  For example when you whip someone into the corner or rope, look like you are forcing them and follow thru by stepping a step or two towards them after you shoot them....it really makes it look more polished and you aren't waiting on the guy to hit the corner or ropes by just standing there.  Maybe Montague knows what I mean and can explain it in better wrestler jargon.

Honestly, you should really be proud for a first effort.  I've watched more seasoned guys who didn't look nearly as good as you did.

Yeah, I'm definitely gonna look at putting more emphasis into everything I do.  I'm gonna have a chat with some of the guys tonight at training about some things.

Thanks for the comments.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 19, 2009, 04:32:26 AM
A few guys naturally have it, some pick up on it rather easily, and the rest go by the name “Ultimate Warrior.”

When you can apply that type of subtlety to everything you do in the ring, you will achieve Zen and be making at least $40.00 USD per match.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on October 19, 2009, 03:51:39 PM
Back from training.  I worked on my drop kick a bit tonight, so I'm slightly happier with that than before.  I tried to put more effort into my Irish whips as well, but I'm not sure how that looked.  My clothesline still needs some work, again I wasn't following through with it.

We did a lot of impact moves in training tonight, so I feel a little more beat up than normal.  But we had a good 'triple threat' style match.  The two other guys in that were my tag opponents from the show, and they started the match with a bit of one-up-man ship, seeing who could do the best slam, best suplex, etc.  Luckily I got a minute break after that when they turned on each other!

The next show they have in the diary is in Scarborough, a seaside town about 2 hours drive away.  It's in a 2000 seater hall, so they're hoping for a big turnout.  I doubt very much I'll get a full match at that one, as they hire a lot of experienced guys in for shows of that size, but I'll get to make an appearance in a Rumble.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on November 02, 2009, 06:56:56 PM
Training again tonight, I missed last week as I was ill.  I'm not too happy with tonights session, I didn't have a good week and missed a lot of stuff.  The drop kick I worked on last time had disappeared and I ended up hitting one of the other guys square in the nuts.

On the plus side, they asked us all if there was a move we wanted to learn.  I couldn't think of a good one, so I chose a move that I'd seen JTG do last week on Smackdown, I think he calls it 'The Mugshot'.  It looked pretty cool actually, so I think I'll keep that one in my repetoire.

It's the big show in 2 weeks, Sunday 15th, so I need to up my game over the next couple of training sessions, as a few things aren't quite working at the moment.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 03, 2009, 04:47:14 AM
Training again tonight, I missed last week as I was ill.  I'm not too happy with tonights session, I didn't have a good week and missed a lot of stuff.  The drop kick I worked on last time had disappeared and I ended up hitting one of the other guys square in the nuts.

On the plus side, they asked us all if there was a move we wanted to learn.  I couldn't think of a good one, so I chose a move that I'd seen JTG do last week on Smackdown, I think he calls it 'The Mugshot'.  It looked pretty cool actually, so I think I'll keep that one in my repetoire.

It's the big show in 2 weeks, Sunday 15th, so I need to up my game over the next couple of training sessions, as a few things aren't quite working at the moment.

Sounds like a great finisher!   ;D  Glad you are back in the gym, I wouldn't worry too much about one bad week.  That happens in every sport.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on November 03, 2009, 11:12:29 AM
Sounds like a great finisher!   ;D  Glad you are back in the gym, I wouldn't worry too much about one bad week.  That happens in every sport.

Yeah, the 'Ball Buster'!  I don't think I'd have many opponents with that one.  I'm getting back on the weights as well this week which should help my ring work.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on November 10, 2009, 08:24:38 PM
Well folks, I've just got back from the hospital with a nice new cast on my leg!  The JTG move that I did last week didn't seem to work too well this week, as it broke my foot.  It didn't feel too bad when it happened, I went on and finished the match, took down the ring, drove some of the other guys home and picked up a chinese.  But once I got home and took my shoes/socks off, it swelled up to the point where I couldn't put any weight on it at all.

So right now, I'm sat here, pretty pissed off.  I was supposed to be doing the show on Sunday, which would have been in a proper nice venue, maybe 300+ people.  Some friends were driving 400 miles to come and watch me.  Now I'm virtually crippled for weeks, can't wrestle, can't drive, can't work.  It's shit.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on November 11, 2009, 04:11:02 AM
That's the shits, man.

Wishing you a speedy recovery.

Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on November 11, 2009, 05:52:27 AM
That's the shits, man.

Wishing you a speedy recovery.



Cheers mate.  Works gonna be the real killer, I'm self-employed, so if I don't work, I don't get paid and the business suffers.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: chadstallion on November 11, 2009, 06:22:13 AM
Tonight I had my first wrestling training session, and I am sore as hell.  I must admit, I was pretty nervous beforehand, but it went fine and I actually really enjoyed it.  They started by going through a few basic moves, and how to fall correctly, and then me and another newbie had 10 minutes to come up with a short match, which I lost.   :'(

Then there was an elimination match with everyone, two in the ring at a time.  This was to get us used to working off the top of your head, and with random people at the same time.

All in all, it was good fun.  Although I don't know if I'll be saying that tomorrow!

you have to wear a singlet?  going commando or jock?
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 11, 2009, 08:14:12 AM
Oh leon, sorry to hear that broski.....that sucks ass......too bad you aren't doing TV spots, they could write it into an angle.... 8)


But seriously, wish you a speedy recovery. 
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on November 11, 2009, 02:51:37 PM
you have to wear a singlet?  going commando or jock?

Good questions!   :-\   ;D

I'm a commando kind of guy though...   :P
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on November 11, 2009, 02:53:14 PM
Oh leon, sorry to hear that broski.....that sucks ass......too bad you aren't doing TV spots, they could write it into an angle.... 8)


But seriously, wish you a speedy recovery. 

Cheers fella.

I spoke to the boss today, he said if I wanted to come to the show anyway, I could help out with entrance music, lights, etc.  It's not what I wanted to be doing, but it's better than nothing.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 11, 2009, 07:28:51 PM
Cheers fella.

I spoke to the boss today, he said if I wanted to come to the show anyway, I could help out with entrance music, lights, etc.  It's not what I wanted to be doing, but it's better than nothing.

I would think any kind of experience would be good.  Kinda give you a different view of whats going on.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on November 12, 2009, 03:01:24 AM
If you're creative, this could be an opportunity to show it.
Suggest a few ideas that the promoter likes and/or that go over with the audience and it could open up some doors for you - particularly when you start back in the ring.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on November 12, 2009, 06:21:27 AM
If you're creative, this could be an opportunity to show it.
Suggest a few ideas that the promoter likes and/or that go over with the audience and it could open up some doors for you - particularly when you start back in the ring.

Yeah, that's a good point, I might have to see if I can get someone to drive me down to the show on Sunday.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on December 07, 2009, 04:17:23 PM
Update?
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on December 07, 2009, 08:08:42 PM
The foot's slowly getting there, it's still a bit stiff, but apart from a slight limp I'm alright.  I don't think I'll be up to any ring activity until into the new year.  I'm gonna have to think about what I wanna do though, cos in 3 months of training, there weren't many weeks when I came home without something damaged.

The broken foot wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be, but it still put me out of work for a couple of weeks, and when you're self-employed, two weeks without wages is not good at all.

I really enjoy wrestling, but I've got family to support, so I haven't decided yet.
Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: Montague on December 07, 2009, 08:17:00 PM
Today your foot; tomorrow your...

I was talking with a colleague of mine today when my wrestling experience came up.
She asked, “So it’s not all fake, then?”

I said, “Well, there are some things you CAN’T fake…like gravity…”

When someone picks you up & slams you on a mat, I don’t care how “soft” that ring is or how careful you land…
You know yourself that even if you take a PERFECT bump, it still doesn’t tickle.

Injuries are inevitable, common, range in severity, and you’re vulnerable to every single one.

Do you know what would happen to you if you broke your neck?
The same thing that happens to everyone else.

Title: Re: Started wrestling training...
Post by: leonp1981 on December 07, 2009, 08:23:35 PM
It's much easier to understand how so many of these guys have to rely on a cocktail of drugs to get through the day.  After training, my neck would be sore for 3 days minimum, making it uncomfortable to even sleep.  I got suplexed into a rope a coupld of weeks in, which tore something in my knee, which still isn't right.  Plus the broken foot, and this was in only three months!

So many others there were / had been recently injured.  One guy had just come back from two broken ribs, the boss broke his wrist earlier this year, as had one of my mates, it really is a high risk pastime!

I think I'll go down to training to watch in the next couple of weeks and see how I feel.  I could always offer my services in some other capacity, something with slightly less impact!