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John Kerry and the Liberal media made Cindy Sheehan.........
http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes/index.html
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Melanie Morgan is who you're hanging the credibility of this thread on? And that clip is from Hannity and Colmes, LOL. ::)
"Melanie Morgan gained national notoriety in the summer of 2006 when she suggested that Bill Keller, an editor of the New York Times, be killed in a "gaschamber" for the crime of "treason" after the Times' reporting on US government spying on Americans. [1] (http://mediamatters.org/items/200606300004)
Morgan works with the Russo Marsh & Rogers public relations firm which specializes in electing Republican candidates, has with help from the Pentagon run "Truth Tours" to Iraq for right-wing US media personalities, and which receives funding from Iraqi Kurds to run advertisements on American television stations thanking the United States for the war.
Melanie Morgan is chairwoman of the Russo Marsh & Rogers-run pro-war lobby Move America Forward. She is a columnist for WorldNetDaily, author of the book America Mourning, and is also a conservative radio talk personality at KSFO in San Francisco, California."
Your sources are about as credible as 240's 9/11 conspiracy theory sources.
Nice to see you never change even when the subject is a woman whose son was killed fighting a war you want. When you lose your son in war, or Morgan loses her son in war or Hannity loses his son in war then you and them get to comment, until then this is disgusting partisan election time politics at it's worst.
I have no problem with going after the Democrats but why pick on a mother that lost her son? Just leave her alone to say whatever craziness she wants. If anyone has earned the right to criticize Bush it's a mother whose son was killed in the Iraq war.
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If this proves true, Kerry looks pretty bad! Monster exploitation.
Don't yall just love every other October? Parties trading bombshells they've saved up for the last 23 months :)
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Of course she was used for the left. She is a complete loon, a disgrace, and a traitor. I don't know the rest of that.
Her son went over there one time, and then volunteered to go back again when his service was up. He obviously did not share teh same feelings about the war as his mother developed.
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there were a couple of c.unts on Hannity last night talking about Cindy Sheehan and Colmes ripped into them for putting stuff in their book like Sheehan was addicted to online porn and other malicious bullshit, i wanted to bitch slap the both of them especially the fat one.
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Of course she was used for the left. She is a complete loon, a disgrace, and a traitor. I don't know the rest of that.
That is the most fucked up charge you can use against someone. I mean, just shit to say.
Why is she a traitor?
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That is the most fucked up charge you can use against someone. I mean, just shit to say.
Why is she a traitor?
I'm guessing it's because he's a Republican and she's bashing his parties President.
I readily agree that she's a bit wacko but she lost her son in the war, she's earned the right to say what she wants about it. I don't think anyone should pay any attention to her. Just let her say what she wants and leave her alone.
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Holy shit - people can be scumbags, killers, rapists, drug dealers, etc... but that doesn't make them traitors. To call her a traitor because her politicial views are different or because she whines about the war - WAY OUT OF LINE
Treason is one of the worst offenses one can do. Not even something to joke about, and it really casts a bad light on a person who would use that charge so flippantly.
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Holy shit - people can be scumbags, killers, rapists, drug dealers, etc... but that doesn't make them traitors. To call her a traitor because her politicial views are different or because she whines about the war - WAY OUT OF LINE
Treason is one of the worst offenses one can do. Not even something to joke about, and it really casts a bad light on a person who would use that charge so flippantly.
Especially when you consider her son was killed in this ridiculous and meaningless war. She's paid a far bigger price for this war than any of the people that are judging her for her opinions.
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Especially when you consider her son was killed in this ridiculous and meaningless war. She's paid a far bigger price for this war than any of the people that are judging her for her opinions.
i can't believe we actually agree on someting.
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Melanie Morgan is who you're hanging the credibility of this thread on? And that clip is from Hannity and Colmes, LOL. ::)
"Melanie Morgan gained national notoriety in the summer of 2006 when she suggested that Bill Keller, an editor of the New York Times, be killed in a "gaschamber" for the crime of "treason" after the Times' reporting on US government spying on Americans. [1] (http://mediamatters.org/items/200606300004)
Morgan works with the Russo Marsh & Rogers public relations firm which specializes in electing Republican candidates, has with help from the Pentagon run "Truth Tours" to Iraq for right-wing US media personalities, and which receives funding from Iraqi Kurds to run advertisements on American television stations thanking the United States for the war.
Melanie Morgan is chairwoman of the Russo Marsh & Rogers-run pro-war lobby Move America Forward. She is a columnist for WorldNetDaily, author of the book America Mourning, and is also a conservative radio talk personality at KSFO in San Francisco, California."
Your sources are about as credible as 240's 9/11 conspiracy theory sources.
Nice to see you never change even when the subject is a woman whose son was killed fighting a war you want. When you lose your son in war, or Morgan loses her son in war or Hannity loses his son in war then you and them get to comment, until then this is disgusting partisan election time politics at it's worst.
I have no problem with going after the Democrats but why pick on a mother that lost her son? Just leave her alone to say whatever craziness she wants. If anyone has earned the right to criticize Bush it's a mother whose son was killed in the Iraq war.
Mr. I's sources are credible, how can sources such as Limbaugh and H&C not be? ::)
This is almost as stupid as when he said America owes Israel because of some jew back in the 1700's.
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Mr. I's sources are credible, how can sources such as Limbaugh and H&C not be? ::)
This is almost as stupid as when he said America owes Israel because of some jew back in the 1700's.
I must have missed that one, care to elaborate?
i can't believe we actually agree on someting.
Suicidal 14 year olds with message board addictions and over protective mothers are too young to form an opinion on this topic. Go back to worrying about your homework and getting beat up in gym class and let the men talk about politics.
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I must have missed that one, care to elaborate?
I believe it was in a topic during the Israel/Hezbollah conflict. He was ripped pretty bad by almost everyone for it. I don't remember it in detail, maybe Beserker and Ozmo do? They ripped him hard.
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I love the Colmes setup.
He's supposed to be the "liberal" nutjob of the two.
So he can bring up the sleaze on Sheehan, ask the authors about why the wrote about that, bring that topic up.
I loved how the EVER so subtly dropped that Hillary Clinton represented a more moderate Democrate perspective.
Question: Why the fcuk even mention her name to begin with? She has nothing to do with this issue!!!!
Mark my words, this is agenda setting in the works.
Again, another setup for Hillary Clinton. Rest assured, Hillary, or rather "Senator" Clinton, is going to look VERY credible when it comes to Sheehan.
If Hillary would've had ties, then Fox would've picked an entirely different spin on the matter.
Fox News is making me sick. Fcuking piece of shit "news" station.
Murdoch Propaganda Channel for the Masses.
YIP
Zack
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Fox wants the truth about 911 to come out.
I know, it doesn't make sense, but in the beginning, they would have guys on and just hammer the shit out of them. Twilight Zone music, name calling, etc.
Now, the last few times they've had people on (and I do not miss them), they have given them uninterrupted time to speak their case. H&C had the professor on who teaches both 911 theories, and they just gave him a ton of time to make the case and even describe Norman minetti's (sp?) statement that he sat with VP Cheney as United 7 came in, and Cheney ordered them to let it hit!
OReilly is the exception - he's a prick to them and doesn't let them talk. But Brit Hume is VERY fair. Greta does't touch it much. H&C have changed a lot :)
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John Kerry and the Liberal media made Cindy Sheehan.........
http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes/index.html
That rubbish passes for journalism does it? and even worse people actually sit and watch it? lol I'll never moan about the beeb again.
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That rubbish passes for journalism does it? and even worse people actually sit and watch it? lol I'll never moan about the beeb again.
BBC is fcuking outstanding.
You cannot compare it to any of the big US networks.
US PBS has some shows that are comparable, even though those are relying on sponsor funds.
McLaughlin Group is an honest discussion group from a neutral-conservative perspective.
But when it comes to news, BBC rules.
al-Jazeera is decent as well.
YIP
Zack
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BBC is fcuking outstanding.
You cannot compare it to any of the big US networks.
US PBS has some shows that are comparable, even though those are relying on sponsor funds.
McLaughlin Group is an honest discussion group from a neutral-conservative perspective.
But when it comes to news, BBC rules.
al-Jazeera is decent as well.
YIP
Zack
NPR is pretty good as well Zack.
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Fox wants the truth about 911 to come out.
I know, it doesn't make sense, but in the beginning, they would have guys on and just hammer the shit out of them. Twilight Zone music, name calling, etc.
Now, the last few times they've had people on (and I do not miss them), they have given them uninterrupted time to speak their case. H&C had the professor on who teaches both 911 theories, and they just gave him a ton of time to make the case and even describe Norman minetti's (sp?) statement that he sat with VP Cheney as United 7 came in, and Cheney ordered them to let it hit!
OReilly is the exception - he's a prick to them and doesn't let them talk. But Brit Hume is VERY fair. Greta does't touch it much. H&C have changed a lot :)
Enough with the 9/11 conspiracy BS, if it had any legs at all it would have been on the front page every news paper in the world and especially the NY Times but you don't even find it there. I firmly believe that Kerry funded the whole Sheehan fiasco and even though she is a greiving mother...she used her sons death for profit and propaganda for the Left to make Bush look bad. This wack job is actually a candidate for the Nobel Peace prize...LOL!!
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NPR is pretty good as well Zack.
AAaaaahahahahahahahahaha, yeah, about as credible as "Air America"!!
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AAaaaahahahahahahahahaha, yeah, about as credible as "Air America"!!
I love your wacko right wing zealot routine but do you really think you should be commenting on credibility?
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I love your wacko right wing zealot routine but do you really think you should be commenting on credibility?
Lets face it....none of us are politicians and all of us have different opinions, some just stronger than others, we all have the same amount of credibility............. NONE!!
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Lets face it....none of us are politicians and all of us have different opinions, some just stronger than others, we all have the same amount of credibility............. NONE!!
You're not allowed to express your opinion, because you're a "right wing zealot." ::) Somebody get that man a thesaurus.
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1. a person who betrays another, a cause, or any trust.
2. a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country
she is a traitor. she is aiding and abbetting the enemy. when she calls terrorists who blow up schoolchildren and hospitals in iraq freedom fighters and then calls our president a murdering terrorist she could very easily be the cause of more deaths in iraq. Al Jazeera has used her statements in the past in its propaganda (freedom fighters???) to attract more muslims to the jihadist cause.
she certainly is a traitor to the thougths and ideals of her son, who volunteered, when he did not have to, to go back to iraq for a 2nd tour. He obviously thought it was a war worth fighting. THe minute he dies....excuse me, months after she dies with much prodding and help all of a sudden she is this anti-war, anti-american activist. If that is not betraying her son after the sacrifices he made, I don't know what is.
Would I have her prosecuted and executed? No. But onlly in this country gone mad could she have any followers or get any TV time at all.
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You're not allowed to express your opinion, because you're a "right wing zealot." ::) Somebody get that man a thesaurus.
I don't remember telling him not to express his opinion. Maybe you read something I didn't type, thanks for trying to discredit me while at the same time running to your boys defense. ::)
My point was when questions of credibility are raised perhaps he's not the best person to be raising them. ::)
It warms my heart to see you get your panties all twisted when someone questions Mr. Intenseone. I'm sure he appreciated you having his back. I don't need a thesaurus because the word zealot fits so beautifully and it has a connotation that fits perfectly.
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1. a person who betrays another, a cause, or any trust.
2. a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country
she is a traitor. she is aiding and abbetting the enemy. when she calls terrorists who blow up schoolchildren and hospitals in iraq freedom fighters and then calls our president a murdering terrorist she could very easily be the cause of more deaths in iraq. Al Jazeera has used her statements in the past in its propaganda (freedom fighters???) to attract more muslims to the jihadist cause.
she certainly is a traitor to the thougths and ideals of her son, who volunteered, when he did not have to, to go back to iraq for a 2nd tour. He obviously thought it was a war worth fighting. THe minute he dies....excuse me, months after she dies with much prodding and help all of a sudden she is this anti-war, anti-american activist. If that is not betraying her son after the sacrifices he made, I don't know what is.
Would I have her prosecuted and executed? No. But onlly in this country gone mad could she have any followers or get any TV time at all.
Until your son is killed in Iraq you, me or anyone else doesn't really have the right to condemn her. I agree that she's gone off the deep end but she's earned the right to say pretty much whatever she wants. She's paid a far higher price for this war than we have, certainly higher than any of the politicians that started the war have as well.
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"Until your son is killed in Iraq you, me or anyone else doesn't really have the right to condemn her."
So, if she chose to bomb military recruiting stations i would not be able to condemn her? Regardless, whether she is a "traitor" or just a loon, i loathe this women. Losing your son is obviously something I have not and hopefully will never experience, but does that justify her actions?
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I don't remember telling him not to express his opinion. Maybe you read something I didn't type, thanks for trying to discredit me while at the same time running to your boys defense. ::)
My point was when questions of credibility are raised perhaps he's not the best person to be raising them. ::)
It warms my heart to see you get your panties all twisted when someone questions Mr. Intenseone. I'm sure he appreciated you having his back. I don't need a thesaurus because the word zealot fits so beautifully and it has a connotation that fits perfectly.
??? Protesting too much. I agree with I-One that all he and others are doing is expressing their opinions for the most part.
And yes you overuse the word "zealot." It lost its effectiveness after about the first 75 times. I just checked my thesaurus. If you insist on the rather juvenile, persistent name-calling, try the following: fanatic, enthusiast, energumen, partisan, sectarian, extremist, radical.
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??? Protesting too much. I agree with I-One that all he and others are doing is expressing their opinions for the most part.
And yes you overuse the word "zealot." It lost it's effectiveness after about the first 75 times. I just checked my thesaurus. If you insist on the rather juvenile, persistent name-calling, try the following: fanatic, enthusiast, energumen, partisan, sectarian, extremist, radical.
Good post except for the section I put into boldface.
Don't you find it a bit ironic that you say my calling Mr. Intenseone a "right wing zealot" is juvenile yet his constant, and I mean constant blaming of everything and I mean everything on liberals you don't call juvenile?
Nothing like having a double standard for your "right wing zealot" boy there Homer.
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Good post except for the section I put into boldface.
Don't you find it a bit ironic that you say my calling Mr. Intenseone a "right wing zealot" is juvenile yet his constant, and I mean constant blaming of everything and I mean everything on liberals you don't call juvenile?
Nothing like having a double standard for your "right wing zealot" boy there Homer.
Not at all. I know plenty of people like I-One who are extremely conservative or extremely liberal. I don't think it's juvenile at all for them to have those strong convictions and essentially blame most of the evils of society on liberals and conservatives. Unreasonable at times maybe, but not juvenile.
I see a fairly clear distinction between that and using a pejorative in essentially every reference when you refer to a specific person. Unprovoked.
But I've been running to people's defense my entire life. Bad habit. :)
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I don't think it's juvenile at all for them to have those strong convictions and essentially blame most of the evils of society on liberals and conservatives.
Just so I get this straight, I act juvenile by calling someone that blames EVERYTHING that's wrong with the world on liberals a "right wing zealot" but that person that blames EVERYTHING that's wrong with the world on liberals and won't even admit the Republican party has ever done anything wrong is acting just fine in your opinion? And this person that spouts off conservative propaganda as if it were Catholic dogma ignites in you a passion to run to his defense? ::)
And a mother who is acting a little wacky because her son was killed in Iraq doesn't ignite in you a fire to defend her?
Uh, yeah. Good luck with all that.
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Who's acting juvenile?
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Who's acting juvenile?
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/Nananana.jpg)
Hey, welcome back. We were just talking about you. How's the zealotry going? My juvenile ways are going rather well, in case you were interested.
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How's the zealotry going? My juvenile ways are going rather well, in case you were interested.
My "zealotry" is going well thank you and I see your juvenile ways are still intact!
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It warms my heart to see you get your panties all twisted when someone questions Mr. Intenseone. I'm sure he appreciated you having his back. I don't need a thesaurus because the word zealot fits so beautifully and it has a connotation that fits perfectly.
What questions do you want me to answer? I completly understand she is a greiving mother...no doubt, but she isn't the only one who's son died in the line of duty. What would you like me to say, that "she wasn't paid off by Kerry and the left" and "she's not using her sons death for propaganda?" if I said that I'd be lying. From what I understand, before she became what she is, she was praising Bush in his efforts!
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Just so I get this straight, I act juvenile by calling someone that blames EVERYTHING that's wrong with the world on liberals a "right wing zealot" but that person that blames EVERYTHING that's wrong with the world on liberals and won't even admit the Republican party has ever done anything wrong is acting just fine in your opinion? And this person that spouts off conservative propaganda as if it were Catholic dogma ignites in you a passion to run to his defense? ::)
And a mother who is acting a little wacky because her son was killed in Iraq doesn't ignite in you a fire to defend her?
Uh, yeah. Good luck with all that.
I didn't say any of that. I have a problem with anyone who constantly attacks a specific person solely because they express opinions you don't like (with some exceptions of course). I didn't say it was "just fine" to blame all of society's ills on a particular group. Sometimes it is warranted, sometimes it isn't.
I haven't been paying attention to this woman. I have a great deal of sympathy for her loss, but when someone becomes repetitive and attacks a specific person in what is apparently a politically motivated way, I tend to tune them out. She is starting to sound like a political hack. Honestly, though, I don't have an opinion about her, because I haven't been following her crusade.
On the other hand, if she posted on this message board and you called her a name, like every day, then I might say something. :)
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I didn't say any of that. I have a problem with anyone who constantly attacks a specific person solely because they express opinions you don't like (with some exceptions of course). I didn't say it was "just fine" to blame all of society's ills on a particular group. Sometimes it is warranted, sometimes it isn't.
I haven't been paying attention to this woman. I have a great deal of sympathy for her loss, but when someone becomes repetitive and attacks a specific person in what is apparently a politically motivated way, I tend to tune them out. She is starting to sound like a political hack. Honestly, though, I don't have an opinion about her, because I haven't been following her crusade.
On the other hand, if she posted on this message board and you called her a name, like every day, then I might say something. :)
Apparently you weren't completely truthful in your post because if you were you wouldn't have made two contradictory statements such as "She is starting to sound like a political hack" and "Honestly, though, I don't have an opinion about her" those two statements don't really jibe now do they?
Let me say this first, I absolutely believe that she was used for political reasons by the Left.
I also believe she has earned the right to say what she wants within reason. When any of us lose our son in the War in Iraq then we have earned the right to criticize her, until then she's paid more for this war than we have so she can say essentially say what she wants.
And you still astonish me with your justifications. I'm open for criticism for calling a zealot a zealot yet he can spew whatever hatred he wants and you will not question what he says. Even if his spew is regarding a mother whose son was killed in Iraq. ::)
I love it when people stand on a nebulous moral ground.
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Apparently you weren't completely truthful in your post because if you were you wouldn't have made two contradictory statements such as "She is starting to sound like a political hack" and "Honestly, though, I don't have an opinion about her" those two statements don't really jibe now do they?
Let me say this first, I absolutely believe that she was used for political reasons by the Left.
I also believe she has earned the right to say what she wants within reason. When any of us lose our son in the War in Iraq then we have earned the right to criticize her, until then she's paid more for this war than we have so she can say essentially say what she wants.
And you still astonish me with your justifications. I'm open for criticism for calling a zealot a zealot yet he can spew whatever hatred he wants and you will not question what he says. Even if his spew is regarding a mother whose son was killed in Iraq. ::)
I love it when people stand on a nebulous moral ground.
??? If I had an opinion about her I would have said she IS a political hack, not she is starting to sound like one. ::)
Who's talking about morality? Wrong thread. Sounds like you don't have a problem with repeatedly calling someone names (which I expect from kids, but not adults) and I don't make the connection between your unprovoked attacks against someone and his belief that liberals are always wrong, evil, etc., etc.
This is actually something I teach my kids on a daily basis. You would not believe how many sentences my son has written for name calling. Trying to teach him how to be a gentleman. Since he knows he cannot touch women (his sisters), he uses his mouth as a weapon. The girls do take advantage of him though. But I digress . . . .
We'll have to agree to disagree. After all, reasonable and UNreasonable minds can disagree. :)
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Let me say this first, I absolutely believe that she was used for political reasons by the Left.
I also believe she has earned the right to say what she wants within reason.
First of all, she does have the Right to say what she wants as long as it is within reason, but her problem is what she usually has to say IS NOT within reason...sorry dude, but comparing our President to Hitler and saying things like "He waged a war OF terror instead of ON terror is completely out of line and when I have enough time I'll dig up a few more "inspirering quotes from this political puppet!
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First of all, she does have the Right to say what she wants as long as it is within reason, but her problem is what she usually has to say IS NOT within reason...sorry dude, but comparing our President to Hitler and saying things like "He waged a war OF terror instead of ON terror is completely out of line and when I have enough time I'll dig up a few more "inspirering quotes from this political puppet!
Unless she says Bush should be killed then in my book she hasn't crossed the line. The Hitler quote is off the wall but to me it wasn't enough to stifle her and the terror comment doesn't even rate on my radar.
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??? If I had an opinion about her I would have said she IS a political hack, not she is starting to sound like one. ::)
Who's talking about morality? Wrong thread. Sounds like you don't have a problem with repeatedly calling someone names (which I expect from kids, but not adults) and I don't make the connection between your unprovoked attacks against someone and his belief that liberals are always wrong, evil, etc., etc.
This is actually something I teach my kids on a daily basis. You would not believe how many sentences my son has written for name calling. Trying to teach him how to be a gentleman. Since he knows he cannot touch women (his sisters), he uses his mouth as a weapon. The girls do take advantage of him though. But I digress . . . .
We'll have to agree to disagree. After all, reasonable and UNreasonable minds can disagree. :)
Are you kidding? Your defense is laughable. You can't make a statement saying "She is starting to sound like a political hack" and then say you have no opinion about her. That is stating an opinion. ::)
Perhaps that kind of shady logic works with your children but come on now.
To refute your second point about morality. When you criticize me for name calling those are your morals speaking. You realize this don't you? Your moral compass sees my "right wing zealot" posts and your alarm goes off. It's all based on your sense of right and wrong which is part of your moral code. ::)
Forget the nebulous moral ground you stand on the new term for you is fuzzy logic. Not as bad as right wing zealot though so your moral alarm shouldn't go off. ::)
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Are you kidding? Your defense is laughable. You can't make a statement saying "She is starting to sound like a political hack" and then say you have no opinion about her. That is stating an opinion. ::)
Perhaps that kind of shady logic works with your children but come on now.
To refute your second point about morality. When you criticize me for name calling those are your morals speaking. You realize this don't you? Your moral compass sees my "right wing zealot" posts and your alarm goes off. It's all based on your sense of right and wrong which is part of your moral code. ::)
Forget the nebulous moral ground you stand on the new term for you is fuzzy logic. Not as bad as right wing zealot though so your moral alarm shouldn't go off. ::)
Okay my friend. I guess you can form my opinions for me and assess my "moral compass," etc., etc. ::) BTW, I'm not defending myself or my comments. I don't have to defend anything. Just trying to correct misinformation and help you out a bit. Guess it didn't work . . . .
And wouldn't you know it, just had to give my son sentences for calling his sister "an annoying little person." He'll be writing "I will control my mouth" 100 times.
I suggest you write it about 500 times. :)
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Okay my friend. I guess you can form my opinions for me and assess my "moral compass," etc., etc. ::) BTW, I'm not defending myself or my comments. I don't have to defend anything. Just trying to correct misinformation and help you out a bit. Guess it didn't work . . . .
And wouldn't you know it, just had to give my son sentences for calling his sister "an annoying little person." He'll be writing "I will control my mouth" 100 times.
I suggest you write it about 500 times. :)
Good for you, it appears you live in that parallel universe that True Adonis also occupies. You know, the one where what you say has a different meaning than it does in the universe everyone else occupies.
In this universe when someone says "She is starting to sound like a political hack" it means the person making the statement has formed an opinion, apparently in your universe it means something different.
Also, when someone says "I've been running to people's defense my entire life" when justifying defending someone in this universe that person is showing what they consider to be right and wrong within their moral code of conduct, apparently in your universe that isn't the case though.
It's funny that you mention disciplining your children, because your excuses sound like they come from a child. ::)
Instead of writing "I'll control my mouth" 100 times I think I'll write "Don't interpret what I say by it's actual meaning" instead.
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Good for you, it appears you live in that parallel universe that True Adonis also occupies. You know, the one where what you say has a different meaning than it does in the universe everyone else occupies.
In this universe when someone says "She is starting to sound like a political hack" it means the person making the statement has formed an opinion, apparently in your universe it means something different.
Also, when someone says "I've been running to people's defense my entire life" when justifying defending someone in this universe that person is showing what they consider to be right and wrong within their moral code of conduct, apparently in your universe that isn't the case though.
It's funny that you mention disciplining your children, because your excuses sound like they come from a child. ::)
Instead of writing "I'll control my mouth" 100 times I think I'll write "Don't interpret what I say by it's actual meaning" instead.
::)