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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on October 18, 2006, 12:05:29 AM
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why only 635?
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His bacne is on a par with TA's.
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That's a lot to me. I can get 455 for a single on my BEST day. Most days I would be lucky to get more than four plates.
I don't really know anything about DC training so I don't know how the set/rep schemes work.
there's a couple of other vids of these guys training out there. They use weights that are pretty much off the charts on everything. I don't know them but it seems to me they aren't "all drugs" at all. Everything I've seen of them they bust thier ass in the gym. I've seen vids of Kulco front squatting something like 465 for 6 reps and he was going really low. That's alot of weight roids or not.
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thats impressive for sure
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there's a couple of other vids of these guys training out there. They use weights that are pretty much off the charts on everything. I don't know them but it seems to me they aren't "all drugs" at all. Everything I've seen of them they bust thier ass in the gym. I've seen vids of Kulco front squatting something like 465 for 6 reps and he was going really low. That's alot of weight roids or not.
I have done 460 for 6 ass to floor.
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Thats f'n crazy good on em
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I have done 460 for 6 ass to floor.
I thought that it was 600 for reps? :)
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I have done 460 for 6 ass to floor.
good for you.
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two very impressive young bodybuilders!
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How old are they? They look very good.
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that kid is a hard worker, i didn't think he was even gonna get one rep with that and he got three, nice video.
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Courtesy of Dante:
Justin Harris doing the same:
TA said Steve's reliance on steroids is a joke but I don't agree with that completely. To me, reliance which is a joke would be the kind of guys who don't eat big and train hard and simply take lots of drugs and get huge. Steve is probably as dedicated as Jay Cutler in that he does everything like clockwork (this kid isn't even human in how motivated he is). I would put his work ethic up there with ANY pro. Based on the training video he made at age 18, he trains harder than most pros. I'm sure he's on his fair share of gear, but "reliance" to me would mean that he is allowing his drug use to compensate for poor training or lack of proper nutrition. It's obvious that Steve is taking EVERY aspect seriously (nutrition, hormones, and training).
This all said, I don't like how Dante is selling his program by showing us examples of juiced bodybuilders who use DC training. It is irrelevant if they are gaining mass using his training principles since they would gain muscle just by eating and sleeping on the drugs they are on.
hmm, I wonder - could DC training get me a chest or a back? I would be a much better example to use than a juiced bodybuilder.
Attached are some pictures of Steve and Justin.
Did they rinse their beef before or after the video clip was filmed and was there any oil in their postworkout shake? The world must know!
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I thought that it was 600 for reps? :)
We were talking about squats.
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Did they rinse their beef before or after the video clip was filmed and was there any oil in their postworkout shake? The world must know!
Confirmed:
Rinsed ground chuck with hot water, then they chugged some flax in with their shake....then they had a pose off.
Dante style :-X
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Confirmed:
Rinsed ground chuck with hot water, then they chugged some flax in with their shake....then they had a pose off.
Dante style :-X
Bahahahahahaha! Excellent! I'm sure the painful extreme stretching followed right before they lathered each other up in the shower. True diciples of Dante!
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Did they rinse their beef before or after the video clip was filmed and was there any oil in their postworkout shake? The world must know!
clearly the second and third rep is because of the tbsp of olive oil
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Good post Matt C. I agree with a lot of what you said.
Maybe you should contact DC and see if his training helps you.
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awesome stuff, true "put up or shut up" mentality. A nice change of pace from people who talk a big game and have nothing to show for it.
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Great post Matt C
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love how adonis has the huge superiority issue, and cant help but add his personal achievements in. monster self-esteem issues.
if this guy entered the mr getbig adonis would have came in thrid :D
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impressive lifts but i'd like to see 3 reps without the floor bounce...
not taking anything away from them, strong guys for sure.
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How old are they? They look very good.
Steve just turned 21 in August.
Bright future for him.
He is as dedicated as anyone I've seen.
But, he knows he has to set himself up for the future. He finished the fire academy last spring, and is in paramedic school now.
Good kid, and a hard worker. His offseason conditioning in those photos shows how seriously he takes his diet year round.
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Steve has a bright future, he has been taking steroids since he was 18 yrs old...he knows what it takes to move up in the industry.
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I don't know why TA is polluting this thread with his bullshit. I'll put a gun to my head and pull the trigger myself if you could front squat 460 for 6 with those legs.
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TA said Steve's reliance on steroids is a joke but I don't agree with that completely. To me, reliance which is a joke would be the kind of guys who don't eat big and train hard and simply take lots of drugs and get huge. Steve is probably as dedicated as Jay Cutler in that he does everything like clockwork (this kid isn't even human in how motivated he is). I would put his work ethic up there with ANY pro. Based on the training video he made at age 18, he trains harder than most pros. I'm sure he's on his fair share of gear, but "reliance" to me would mean that he is allowing his drug use to compensate for poor training or lack of proper nutrition. It's obvious that Steve is taking EVERY aspect seriously (nutrition, hormones, and training).
This all said, I don't like how Dante is selling his program by showing us examples of juiced bodybuilders who use DC training. It is irrelevant if they are gaining mass using his training principles since they would gain muscle just by eating and sleeping on the drugs they are on.
Matt a couple things to your 2 paragraphs above
a)again Steve Kuclo won the teen nats heavy's lifetime natural at that point at over 200lbs onstage. I know TA likes to make up stuff about Steve because it helps his arguments along, I guess it bothers him that Steve was not only a 19 year old teenager at the time but also had 40lbs more of muscle than TA does at the same height--I really got no idea. I dont understand the mode of hating people that are better than you bodybuilding wise. I put merit on whether a person is a good guy or not, but hey thats how I look at things. You saw Trop himself who is Steves training partner, freind and mentor come on this board and say the same about Steves teen nats win. Trop would say NOTHING if the alternative were true.
b)Selling my program? Ive rejected over 120 people who wanted to train with me over the last 4 months, and took on 4. (yes 4). There is no selling here. Do you know of many other trainers that have put more info (for free) up online about their methods than me? I dont. This has always been about helping people for free IF THEY WANT my help. Happy with what your presently doing or dont agree with the things I say? No problem then, do your own thing. More power to you...I dont want to push my way of doing things on anyone, do your own thing. So if Im not making much money because I dont feel like training alot of guys (second job for me anyway), yet Im doing my best on boards like IntenseMuscle and others answering peoples questions (for free)..... from people who want to know about it or want my help....what am I selling Matt? How come you skip over guys like 21 year old lifetime natural Brian Bennett who just won the 2006 NPC Natural Wisconsin Championships that I train in the offseason and Trop prepped too? (4 weeks out here)
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Matt is going for his INBF pro card next week.
Good luck Matt!
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That guy is as thick as a drivers lisence...i thought dogg crapp made you bigger ?
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What amazes me is you have the actual guy "the 2006 JR USA superheavyweight champion" Justin Harris (Troponin) that actually built the subject of this thread (Steve Kuclo) from scratch and noone picks his mind. If you add up the amount of food in the last 2 years (bought) that you wasted in a diet that you "thought" was going to put muscle mass on you, or supplements that you bought that didnt work....you could hire him to design you a gameplan, take the shortrack method with 5 jumps forward as a bodybuilder and save a grip of money....and not look like the same bodybuilder you do today 3 years from now.
Instead everyone gripes about this and that and "Kuclo must be doing this" conspiracy theories.
The architect is right in front of you....pay for his help and people might be making these same kinds of threads about you 1-2 years down the road.
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Matt a couple things to your 2 paragraphs above
a)again Steve Kuclo won the teen nats heavy's lifetime natural at that point at over 200lbs onstage. I know TA likes to make up stuff about Steve because it helps his arguments along, I guess it bothers him that Steve was not only a 19 year old teenager at the time but also had 40lbs more of muscle than TA does at the same height--I really got no idea. I dont understand the mode of hating people that are better than you bodybuilding wise. I put merit on whether a person is a good guy or not, but hey thats how I look at things. You saw Trop himself who is Steves training partner, freind and mentor come on this board and say the same about Steves teen nats win. Trop would say NOTHING if the alternative were true.
b)Selling my program? Ive rejected over 120 people who wanted to train with me over the last 4 months, and took on 4. (yes 4). There is no selling here. Do you know of many other trainers that have put more info (for free) up online about their methods than me? I dont. This has always been about helping people for free IF THEY WANT my help. Happy with what your presently doing or dont agree with the things I say? No problem then, do your own thing. More power to you...I dont want to push my way of doing things on anyone, do your own thing. So if Im not making much money because I dont feel like training alot of guys (second job for me anyway), yet Im doing my best on boards like IntenseMuscle and others answering peoples questions (for free)..... from people who want to know about it or want my help....what am I selling Matt? How come you skip over guys like 21 year old lifetime natural Brian Bennett who just won the 2006 NPC Natural Wisconsin Championships that I train in the offseason and Trop prepped too? (4 weeks out here)
40 lbs of muscle at the same height?
Why must you lie?
First all, isn`t he over 6 feet?
Second he is a juicer and you have NO idea when he started using. NONE.
Third, NO FUCKING WAY he had 40 lbs of muscle on me.
Get a clue my friend.
At least you realize that a LIFETIME NATURAL CANNOT BE Under 6 foot and 200 lbs plus Ripped (2-4 percent bodyfat).
You used to believe it were possible until I made you realize.
If it IS possible or if you think it to be as true, I will send 1000 dollars,if you can provide me with 3 such specimens with the return address from the products I receieve from your company.
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What amazes me is you have the actual guy "the 2006 JR USA superheavyweight champion" Justin Harris (Troponin) that actually built the subject of this thread (Steve Kuclo) from scratch and noone picks his mind. If you add up the amount of food in the last 2 years (bought) that you wasted in a diet that you "thought" was going to put muscle mass on you, or supplements that you bought that didnt work....you could hire him to design you a gameplan, take the shortrack method with 5 jumps forward as a bodybuilder and save a grip of money....and not look like the same bodybuilder you do today 3 years from now.
Instead everyone gripes about this and that and "Kuclo must be doing this" conspiracy theories.
The architect is right in front of you....pay for his help and people might be making these same kinds of threads about you 1-2 years down the road.
just out of curiosity Dante what makes you think that the people posting on here don't know how to eat and train? are you so arrogant that you think you and your "people" are the only ones who know anything about bodybuilding?
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Steve has a bright future, he has been taking steroids since he was 18 yrs old...he knows what it takes to move up in the industry.
Bahahahahahaha! Yes! The brilliant twuntsickle lost his nuts to 1000grams of test a week before he got his first pubes.
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just out of curiosity Dante what makes you think that the people posting on here don't know how to eat and train? are you so arrogant that you think you and your "people" are the only ones who know anything about bodybuilding?
realistically I bet most people that post here don't know how to eat, if they do that's great. If you've got a guy who's a national level guy and a pretty good nutritionalist why not ask a few questions? What could it hurt? If he doesn't answer somebody else will.
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I also remember you DC people filling MOSLEM ELBOWMACARONI`s head full of lies and nonsense that deluded him to the point of no return. You had him DCing it up with Gay Sean Allan. Calling him future "Pro" and things, and all I ever did was point out the truth. That he was "ALL DRUGS" and that pretty soon he was going to hurt himself or seriously complicate his life.
You guys mistook my warnings as jealousy for some unknown reason. No idea why you think I would be EVER jealous of a steroid user. That is the last thing I would EVER want to be or look like.
Look where MO is now. A living wreck and not even out of his early 20`s.
HE is responsible but so is the likes of you and Massive G and other`s filling his pea brain full of shit that he believed it.
I see the same happening with this KUCLO kid and it won`t be long before he is destroyed as well.
Watch and see.
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What happened to your ears, TA?
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40 lbs of muscle at the same height?
Why must you lie?
First all, isn`t he over 6 feet?
Second he is a juicer and you have NO idea when he started using. NONE.
Third, NO FUCKING WAY he had 40 lbs of muscle on me.
Get a clue my friend.
At least you realize that a LIFETIME NATURAL CANNOT BE Under 6 foot and 200 lbs plus Ripped (2-4 percent bodyfat).
You used to believe it were possible until I made you realize.
If it IS possible or if you think it to be as true, I will send 1000 dollars,if you can provide me with 3 such specimens with the return address from the products I receieve from your company.
Allright correct me if im wrong
a) Steve is a shade under 6 foot, your also 5'11".....For the Mr Getbig you were 162 as you said you lost a certain amount of weight and also what your offseason weight was (I did the calculations a couple weeks back I forget specifics)...Steve was over 200 for his teen nats show
b) He won the teen nats natural, I dont know what else to say here to this or why your arguing with it other than (sorry?)
c) 40lbs of muscle...Steve was over 200 (200-205), you were 162 you both were lean, that was 40lbs
d)Didnt Michael Lockett just pass a multitude of drug tests and competed in the team universe at 5'9" and over 200?
e)You didnt make me realize anything about over 200lbs and under 6 foot. I know certain things about pro's and top am's in this sport that I start typing up every time you and MattC go on these rants but then I have to stop and delete + dont post them because if I say "so and so was natural up to this point"....Im now saying in hidden terms that he isnt natural after said point arent I? Im not going to divulge peoples personal business
f) My business partner doug is taking care of all the getbig prizes. He said alot of guys havent contacted him back. He said he emailed you about what flavors you want but hasnt heard back from you so you might want to send him an email at Dsmith@trueprotein.com so he can get those out to you.
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I also remember you DC people filling MOSLEM ELBOWMACARONI`s head full of lies and nonsense that deluded him to the point of no return. You had him DCing it up with Gay Sean Allan. Calling him future "Pro" and things, and all I ever did was point out the truth. That he was "ALL DRUGS" and that pretty soon he was going to hurt himself or seriously complicate his life.
You guys mistook my warnings as jealousy for some unknown reason. No idea why you think I would be EVER jealous of a steroid user. That is the last thing I would EVER want to be or look like.
Look where MO is now. A living wreck and not even out of his early 20`s.
HE is responsible but so is the likes of you and Massive G and other`s filling his pea brain full of shit that he believed it.
I see the same happening with this KUCLO kid and it won`t be long before he is destroyed as well.
Watch and see.
C'mon TA you're reaching here. No one is responsible for Mo's condition but Mo. No one was forcing him to do whatever he did. You have to use your head when you lift. If something doesn't feel right you stop, reassess the situation and go from there. Who twisted his arm and made him train with Sean Allen? How long did Sean Allen work with DC? What was it a month? I wonder if Mo shares your point of veiw. I don't know him at all, I just wonder how he feels.
You've got alot of anger...I just don't get it. What's your fucking problem? Why so combative with everyone about everything?
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I also remember you DC people filling MOSLEM ELBOWMACARONI`s head full of lies and nonsense that deluded him to the point of no return. You had him DCing it up with Gay Sean Allan. Calling him future "Pro" and things, and all I ever did was point out the truth. That he was "ALL DRUGS" and that pretty soon he was going to hurt himself or seriously complicate his life.
You guys mistook my warnings as jealousy for some unknown reason. No idea why you think I would be EVER jealous of a steroid user. That is the last thing I would EVER want to be or look like.
TA honestly, you know that post on the MO thread you are talking about that I made giving him a compliment (what was that 3 years ago?)..didnt I say something short like "great build, future pro"?..Im pretty sure that is the only contact and only words Ive ever spoken to Mo. I dont know how you remembered that because I sure dont. Ive never spoken to him in email form or PM's or anything other than that post....with that said I wish him well in whatever he does (bodybuilding wise or other)
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I also remember you DC people filling MOSLEM ELBOWMACARONI`s head full of lies and nonsense that deluded him to the point of no return. You had him DCing it up with Gay Sean Allan. Calling him future "Pro" and things, and all I ever did was point out the truth. That he was "ALL DRUGS" and that pretty soon he was going to hurt himself or seriously complicate his life.
You guys mistook my warnings as jealousy for some unknown reason. No idea why you think I would be EVER jealous of a steroid user. That is the last thing I would EVER want to be or look like.
Look where MO is now. A living wreck and not even out of his early 20`s.
HE is responsible but so is the likes of you and Massive G and other`s filling his pea brain full of shit that he believed it.
I see the same happening with this KUCLO kid and it won`t be long before he is destroyed as well.
Watch and see.
Serious question Adonis.
If Dante had the same recommendations that you do as far as training and diet, would you still feel as strongly opposed to him as you do now?
Would you still not believe that Steve was natural at over 200lbs, and a teen if he followed your ideas on training and diet?
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just out of curiosity Dante what makes you think that the people posting on here don't know how to eat and train? are you so arrogant that you think you and your "people" are the only ones who know anything about bodybuilding?
Sarcasm that is the only thing you derived from my post? Did I say that? I noted that people complain and make up these conspiracy theories about Steve Kuclo yet here is Trop right in front of you and you dont even pick his brain (and all you got from that is a putdown that I didnt even make?)
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TA honestly, you know that post on the MO thread you are talking about that I made giving him a compliment (what was that 3 years ago?)....Im pretty sure that is the only contact and only words Ive ever spoken to Mo. I dont know how you remembered that because I sure dont. Ive never spoken to him in email form or PM's or anything other than that post....with that said I wish him well in whatever he does (bodybuilding wise or other)
I have an eidetic memory.
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Allright correct me if im wrong
a) Steve is a shade under 6 foot, your also 5'11".....For the Mr Getbig you were 162 as you said you lost a certain amount of weight and also what your offseason weight was (I did the calculations a couple weeks back I forget specifics)...Steve was over 200 for his teen nats show
b) He won the teen nats natural, I dont know what else to say here to this or why your arguing with it other than (sorry?)
c) 40lbs of muscle...Steve was over 200 (200-205), you were 162 you both were lean, that was 40lbs
d)Didnt Michael Lockett just pass a multitude of drug tests and competed in the team universe at 5'9" and over 200?
e)You didnt make me realize anything about over 200lbs and under 6 foot. I know certain things about pro's and top am's in this sport that I start typing up every time you and MattC go on these rants but then I have to stop and delete + dont post them because if I say "so and so was natural up to this point"....Im now saying in hidden terms that he isnt natural after said point arent I? Im not going to divulge peoples personal business
f) My business partner doug is taking care of all the getbig prizes. He said alot of guys havent contacted him back. He said he emailed you about what flavors you want but hasnt heard back from you so you might want to send him an email at Dsmith@trueprotein.com so he can get those out to you.
I was not 162 or in the 160s. My home scale read in the 170s and monstrosity of a digital scale at a Military base where I was conducting research had me in the low 180s.
I do not think one is more accurate than the other even though the military one is thousands of dollars more in cost.
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Serious question Adonis.
If Dante had the same recommendations that you do as far as training and diet, would you still feel as strongly opposed to him as you do now?
Would you still not believe that Steve was natural at over 200lbs, and a teen if he followed your ideas on training and diet?
I think Steve would do Very well using both of our methods. I think mine to be way more efficient and certainly more accurate as it is based solely on scientific equations and can be utilized to determine a specific result down to a few minutes in real time.
I know what a natural is capable of, but with Steve, there is too much reasonable suspicion to cast whatever you guys say about him, in a truthful light regarding the usage of steroids. Only he knows the answer. You and I don`t. So if I am wrong, you as well can be equally wrong. And the inverse and opposite is true as well.
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I think Steve would do Very well using both of our methods. I think mine to be way more efficient and certainly more accurate as it is based solely on scientific equations and can be utilized to determine a specific result down to a few minutes in real time.
I know what a natural is capable of, but with Steve, there is too much reasonable suspicion to cast whatever you guys say about him, in a truthful light regarding the usage of steroids. Only he knows the answer. You and I don`t. So if I am wrong, you as well can be equally wrong. And the inverse and opposite is true as well.
So, you would still believe he was not natural.
Then there is no point in arguing it. But, you can see why I don't think it is apropos that you bash him at every opportunity.
(and no, I don't use the word apropos in every day life, but for some reason it seems to be custom to try to use big words with internet banter between two people like this...)
But, you didn't answer my question.
If Dante had the same diet and training ideas as you, would you still be so opposed to him? Would you still claim all his posts are lies, and that he was "filling people's "head full of lies and nonsense that deluded him to the point of no return?"
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I have done 460 for 6 ass to floor.
He means without the anti-gravity suit.
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Sorry, people, but i've been away for sometime. What happened to Mo ?
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Sarcasm that is the only thing you derived from my post? Did I say that? I noted that people complain and make up these conspiracy theories about Steve Kuclo yet here is Trop right in front of you and you dont even pick his brain (and all you got from that is a putdown that I didnt even make?)
Well then, let's ask Troponin... Is Steve on steroids? Can you post his cycles?
No wait, scratch that, it sounds stupid...
Oh, and True Anus, why are you filled with so much hate? Seriously, you come off as a psycho...
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The bottom line is these 2 guys work hard as hell to get where they are. Natural or not natural without all the effort that they put in to their diets and training they would not get to where they are or ever improve. So many of you actually believe that you can take a shot or swallow a pill, eat 3 meals of ice cream and cookies and watch tv and get to this level of developement. It can't and will never happen. I know Trop very well as he does my diets for me. I know how smart he is and the effort he puts into his training. Adonis you will always only believe what you want to believe and we all know Sarcasm will be there 5 mins later to back you. It's amazing that you push your methods like you do when you really are only a skinny beach body at best. You make these big lifting claims but looking at you no one will ever believe it. I guarantee that this time next year you will look pretty much exactly the same as you do now.
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Adonis, I guarantee that this time next year you will look pretty much exactly the same as you do now.
Or even worse, most likely !!!!!!! ;) :D
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So, you would still believe he was not natural.
Then there is no point in arguing it. But, you can see why I don't think it is apropos that you bash him at every opportunity.
(and no, I don't use the word apropos in every day life, but for some reason it seems to be custom to try to use big words with internet banter between two people like this...)
But, you didn't answer my question.
If Dante had the same diet and training ideas as you, would you still be so opposed to him? Would you still claim all his posts are lies, and that he was "filling people's "head full of lies and nonsense that deluded him to the point of no return?"
All of Dante`s posts are NOT lies. Alot are simply his opinion and I do admire his steadfast nature regarding his methods. He does however, sometimes disregard certain factual elements and becomes rather quixotic.
If Dante` had the same ideas as I, he would have to change a lot of his beliefs regarding human genetics and many other elements where I have detected inconsistency and inefficiency.
Even if he shared in the facts I present, I am sure we could find something to disagree about.
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All of Dante`s posts are NOT lies. Alot are simply his opinion and I do admire his steadfast nature regarding his methods. He does however, sometimes disregard certain factual elements and becomes rather quixotic.
If Dante` had the same ideas as I, he would have to change a lot of his beliefs regarding human genetics and many other elements where I have detected inconsistency and inefficiency.
Even if he shared in the facts I present, I am sure we could find something to disagree about.
At the obvious risk of sounding like an after-school special....
If you don't believe certain levels of physique are possible, then you certainly won't reach them. So, you're just setting very definite limits on yourself.
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At the obvious risk of sounding like an after-school special....
If you don't believe certain levels of physique are possible, then you certainly won't reach them. So, you're just setting very definite limits on yourself.
Not at all. That is THE major issue and problem with DC principles. The operation is deep-rooted on faith-based initiatives of idealism in that no limit exists. This is what is causing the majority of DC trainers to become obese. They are becoming quixotic and do not realize that they are simply tilting at windmills and not slaying dragons. Knowing the limits does place one in a cage, but it is a cage of realism and fact. The thing I am most aware of is my limits. And this is natural; for I never, or almost never, occupy the middle of my cage; my whole being surges toward the bars.
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True Anus, that sounds so poetic... what a load of crap!!!
When you train someone who comes anywhere near Steve or Trop, maybe your ideas will start to mean something... Until then you're just a psycho and troll...
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Not at all. That is THE major issue and problem with DC principles. The operation is based on the faith-based initiative of idealism in that no limit exists. This is what is causing the majority of DC trainers to become obese. They are becoming quixotic and do not realize that they are simply tilting at windmills and not slaying dragons. Knowing the limits does place one in a cage, but it is a cage of realism and fact. The thing I am most aware of is my limits. And this is natural; for I never, or almost never, occupy the middle of my cage; my whole being surges toward the bars.
Perhaps you'd be more comfortable writing poetry. Your build fits that of most around the local cofeehouse.
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Not at all. That is THE major issue and problem with DC principles. The operation is based on the faith-based initiative of idealism in that no limit exists. This is what is causing the majority of DC trainers to become obese. They are becoming quixotic and do not realize that they are simply tilting at windmills and not slaying dragons. Knowing the limits does place one in a cage, but it is a cage of realism and fact. The thing I am most aware of is my limits. And this is natural; for I never, or almost never, occupy the middle of my cage; my whole being surges toward the bars.
“Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them.”
Albert Einstein
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Well then, let's ask Troponin... Is Steve on steroids? Can you post his cycles?
No wait, scratch that, it sounds stupid...
Oh, and True Anus, why are you filled with so much hate? Seriously, you come off as a psycho...
As I recall troponin said "when Steve starts using everyone will KNOW because it will be so dramatic" or something to that effect. Of course he is on now as the slight gyno and slight acne will attest to.
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TA, could you PLEASE stop trying to sound smart..."quixotic"...and such.Come on now!
You try to sound so well-spoken and eloquent, but you just come off as a pseudo-intellectual.The thing that bothers me most is the fact you didn't write and post like that at first, but ever since you came up with your 'Adonis principles' you post all these quasi intelligent words to sound superior.
Meldown!
Peace
D
P.S.: Dantes training works, it is THE most effective training protocol i've ever done. Thanks Dante!
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Very impressive work in the gym.
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adonis i would love to see you argue your points over at avant, you would get some good debate and would have a better outlet for scientific inquiry. i challenge you to make a post about yout diet and the misconceptions of traditional bodybuilding diets and defend your posts. should be interesting to say the least.
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Not at all. That is THE major issue and problem with DC principles. The operation is based on the faith-based initiative of idealism in that no limit exists. This is what is causing the majority of DC trainers to become obese. They are becoming quixotic and do not realize that they are simply tilting at windmills and not slaying dragons. Knowing the limits does place one in a cage, but it is a cage of realism and fact. The thing I am most aware of is my limits. And this is natural; for I never, or almost never, occupy the middle of my cage; my whole being surges toward the bars.
Regardless of content, that is pretty impressive writing...you're a bright guy, Adonis. This lift by Steve is very impressive, with or without drugs...hips are low and mechanics are pretty good. He's got a good physique as well, obviously he's aware that drugs DO NOT build champion physiques and quality training and nutrition throughout time does. Synthol RUINS physiques as does insulin use over time. With drugs and little concern for training and nutrition you can build muscle but it will have no true quality I the end. Good for this kid, very impressive!
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Hips low?
did you watch the same video i did?
that was a stiff leg deadlift...
i'm not taking ANYTHING away from the guy.
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I have done 460 for 6 ass to floor.
Absolute bullsh*t!! I seriously hope you're not claiming that on front squats, but even you're referring to regular squats, its still complete BS.
Even in your "fat" pictures you have no quads and in your Mr. GetBig pics they are seriously non-existent.......someone that could go 460 ass to floor would have *some* quad development, even with shitty genetics.
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Endurance is what i'm talking about! Grind it out for 20!
&NR
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That's an impressive set. Any idea what he can do without the straps and if he paused the reps?
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"it is based solely on scientific equations and can be utilized to determine a specific result down to a few minutes in real time."
TA - c'mon, man, I've spent my entire lifetime in science, and NO ONE can be that precise w. the human body - the body is just too complex.
You've obviously some intellect, but dont commit one of the biggest no-no's when submitting your scientific results for publication in a journal.
Namely: overstating the strength of your results and/or theories.
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Hips low?
did you watch the same video i did?
that was a stiff leg deadlift...
i'm not taking ANYTHING away from the guy.
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Actually, Overload, went back and saw that I was reffering to Justins lift, which stared off in good position. yeah, Steves is pretty close to a stiff legged, haha...strong kid none the less.
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That's an impressive set. Any idea what he can do without the straps and if he paused the reps?
Donno, my guess would be 10-12...you?
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Actually, Overload, went back and saw that I was reffering to Justins lift, which stared off in good position. yeah, Steves is pretty close to a stiff legged, haha...strong kid none the less.
Agree...
justins first rep is pretty good...
These guys are strong as hell...i haven't seen many power lifters rep 600+
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I bet if he ditched the wrist straps and took off the industrial strength Weight belt and paused each rep like you are supposed to... hence the name ( DEADlift... weight is DEAD before you lift it) Didnt PRO-tract his shoulders and round his lumbar like the hunchback of Notre Dame and wiggle the bar up his smoothly shaven quads then I would give him 2 reps at 500. Take away the AAS abuse..... 425 for 3.
Just because someone is Strong doesnt mean they shouldnt use proper lifting technique. The sooner people realize this the more sense it will make.
However he has the size and development I'd expect to see on someone with another decade's worth of syringes in his trash.
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He trains heavier than Cutler
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I bet if he ditched the wrist straps and took off the industrial strength Weight belt and paused each rep like you are supposed to... hence the name ( DEADlift... weight is DEAD before you lift it) Didnt PRO-tract his shoulders and round his lumbar like the hunchback of Notre Dame and wiggle the bar up his smoothly shaven quads then I would give him 2 reps at 500. Take away the AAS abuse..... 425 for 3.
Just because someone is Strong doesnt mean they shouldnt use proper lifting technique. The sooner people realize this the more sense it will make.
However he has the size and development I'd expect to see on someone with another decade's worth of syringes in his trash.
hahahaha adonis is so pathetic that his life revolves around this forum and he has to make alternate accounts to back himself up hahah you are one major loser.
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Hips low?
did you watch the same video i did?
that was a stiff leg deadlift...
i'm not taking ANYTHING away from the guy.
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umm, have you ever lifted before?
stiff legs are much harder than conventional deadlifts.
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All of Dante`s posts are NOT lies. Alot are simply his opinion and I do admire his steadfast nature regarding his methods. He does however, sometimes disregard certain factual elements and becomes rather quixotic.
If Dante` had the same ideas as I, he would have to change a lot of his beliefs regarding human genetics and many other elements where I have detected inconsistency and inefficiency.
Even if he shared in the facts I present, I am sure we could find something to disagree about.
quixotic
just on this page alone you've used this word twice.
where you watching 'pee wee's playhouse' and this was the word of the day'?
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I was not 162 or in the 160s. My home scale read in the 170s and monstrosity of a digital scale at a Military base where I was conducting research had me in the low 180s.
I do not think one is more accurate than the other even though the military one is thousands of dollars more in cost.
military base conducting research?
is this a fucking joke.
you are such a fucking loser.
what base and what research are you doing?
if you arent in the army with certain authorization, how are you going to be doing research there?
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TA's training partner said on the MD boards that TA always eats clean.
HaHa yes he also said that his "girlfriend dumped him,pathetic cockroach.
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How can a blow-up doll dump someone? ;D
Vtrip started the thread which had the quote from his training partner here a couple of days ago but cant find it now.Any ideas where its at matt?
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Nope. Tomr1976 posted it too. I think his training partner's name was Jake. Over at the MD boards.
How many pillows does TA bite in a night?
Discuss.
PS - sorry TA. ;D
I don`t have a training partner other than Jezebelle.
That account is a fake. Its funny because he started posting regularly so now he is owned by the gimmick as if he deviates from it, (which he already has), it will continue to destroy all credibility...Not that he had any.
You will see Jezebelle and I this Halloween!
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You will see Jezebelle and I this Halloween!
the board consensus is that you don't need a mask for Halloween.
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Adonis,
That is one butt ugly avatar.
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FOr some people, every day is Halloween. :(
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FOr some people, every day is Halloween. :(
Lol :D
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Those hitched deads with straps were okay. At least it was clear, unlike the pic True Adonis posted of his "deadlift".
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FOr some people, every day is Halloween. :(
Too much chlorine in that gene pool.
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I bet if he ditched the wrist straps and took off the industrial strength Weight belt and paused each rep like you are supposed to... hence the name ( DEADlift... weight is DEAD before you lift it) Didnt PRO-tract his shoulders and round his lumbar like the hunchback of Notre Dame and wiggle the bar up his smoothly shaven quads then I would give him 2 reps at 500. Take away the AAS abuse..... 425 for 3.
Just because someone is Strong doesnt mean they shouldnt use proper lifting technique. The sooner people realize this the more sense it will make.
However he has the size and development I'd expect to see on someone with another decade's worth of syringes in his trash.
Pretty much all the biggest powerlifting deads are done that way. Rounded upper back, semi-stiff legged. And why should they pause them? This wasn't a powerlifting contest. Every bodybuilder also pauses their benches and squats etc right?
Those deadlifts were impressive with acceptable form.
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TA's training partner said on the MD boards that TA always eats clean.
who posts as his training partner?
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I bet if he ditched the wrist straps and took off the industrial strength Weight belt and paused each rep like you are supposed to... hence the name ( DEADlift... weight is DEAD before you lift it) Didnt PRO-tract his shoulders and round his lumbar like the hunchback of Notre Dame and wiggle the bar up his smoothly shaven quads then I would give him 2 reps at 500. Take away the AAS abuse..... 425 for 3.
Just because someone is Strong doesnt mean they shouldnt use proper lifting technique. The sooner people realize this the more sense it will make.
However he has the size and development I'd expect to see on someone with another decade's worth of syringes in his trash.
I think you are quite incorrect. I think without the straps and with a pause he would get the weight for at least 2 reps.
I was just curious for competitive reasons, not trying to downplay the lift. The guy is very strong.
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who posts as his training partner?
Probably you.
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Probably you.
no. I don't have the time or wouldn't waste the effort. I already have an account over there. I'm not a guy who has to have fake accounts like you. I'll say what I have to say using my own username, I don't have to hide. Contact the mods over there and have them check my IP if you want, my username over there is a-dog.
You spend enough time making a fool out of yourself you don't need me helping you along ;D ;D ;D
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umm, have you ever lifted before?
stiff legs are much harder than conventional deadlifts.
I have judged meets before.
never said it wasn't...can you read? i said a stiff leg because the guy above said he got his hips low and he didn't. stay in school.
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Pretty much all the biggest powerlifting deads are done that way. Rounded upper back, semi-stiff legged. And why should they pause them? This wasn't a powerlifting contest. Every bodybuilder also pauses their benches and squats etc right?
Those deadlifts were impressive with acceptable form.
Yea and at a powerlifting meet they wear a suit and the goal is to move the most possible weight, not grow muscle.
" WHy should they pause them?" The carry over of elastic energy from each rep is aiding tremendously in each rep! WHy do u think the hardest rep was the first??lol
Ummmmm, who said anything about pausing a bench or squat? THis was a deadlift video son.
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I think you are quite incorrect. I think without the straps and with a pause he would get the weight for at least 2 reps.
I was just curious for competitive reasons, not trying to downplay the lift. The guy is very strong.
Spoken like someone who has never used straps or a belt before.
He would not have gotten 1 rep if He performed it RAW. Notice how the last 2 reps were EASIER then the first.... He was able to bounce the last 2 off the floor. I mean the first rep was a killer he could harely move it , NO WAY he would have gotten even 1 rep if he took off the belt and straps.
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Yea and at a powerlifting meet they wear a suit and the goal is to move the most possible weight, not grow muscle.
" WHy should they pause them?" The carry over of elastic energy from each rep is aiding tremendously in each rep! WHy do u think the hardest rep was the first??lol
Ummmmm, who said anything about pausing a bench or squat? THis was a deadlift video son.
i agree with most of your statements but a suit doesn't do jack shit unless you sit back, get your hips low and drive with your heals...a suit is pointless if you stiff leg deadlift.
Chris knows his shit...
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i agree with most of your statements but a suit doesn't do jack shit unless you sit back, get your hips low and drive with your heals...a suit is pointless if you stiff leg deadlift.
Chris knows his shit...
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Overload... how can you possibly say that someone knows their shit, when they can honestly say that without the belt or straps " He would have gotten at least 2 reps"? Take away some VITAL equipment that some has become accustomed to wearing and they will SUFFER. I bet this kid is so used to straps he has almost zero grip strength.
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Overload... how can you possibly say that someone knows their shit, when they can honestly say that without the belt or straps " He would have gotten at least 2 reps"? Take away some VITAL equipment that some has become accustomed to wearing and they will SUFFER. I bet this kid is so used to straps he has almost zero grip strength.
how could you know his grip strength?
maybe he just likes straps?
i agree 100% that without straps and with a pause he would get alot less reps and maybe less weight but NONE of us know what exactly would happen.
not trying to argue here because i do agree with you...
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Sarcasm that is the only thing you derived from my post? Did I say that? I noted that people complain and make up these conspiracy theories about Steve Kuclo yet here is Trop right in front of you and you dont even pick his brain (and all you got from that is a putdown that I didnt even make?)
no that's not the only thing i got from it but you inferred that he knows more about nutrition and training than most people here, i give both of those guys respect even if they are juicing because they both work extremely hard.
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"Devon97" is obviously True Adonis. Notice how they both CAPITALIZE certain words to make a POINT. Totally pathetic.
Spoken like someone who has never used straps or a belt before.
He would not have gotten 1 rep if He performed it RAW. Notice how the last 2 reps were EASIER then the first.... He was able to bounce the last 2 off the floor. I mean the first rep was a killer he could harely move it , NO WAY he would have gotten even 1 rep if he took off the belt and straps.
Overload... how can you possibly say that someone knows their shit, when they can honestly say that without the belt or straps " He would have gotten at least 2 reps"? Take away some VITAL equipment that some has become accustomed to wearing and they will SUFFER. I bet this kid is so used to straps he has almost zero grip strength.
I also remember you DC people filling MOSLEM ELBOWMACARONI`s head full of lies and nonsense that deluded him to the point of no return. You had him DCing it up with Gay Sean Allan. Calling him future "Pro" and things, and all I ever did was point out the truth. That he was "ALL DRUGS" and that pretty soon he was going to hurt himself or seriously complicate his life.
You guys mistook my warnings as jealousy for some unknown reason. No idea why you think I would be EVER jealous of a steroid user. That is the last thing I would EVER want to be or look like.
Look where MO is now. A living wreck and not even out of his early 20`s.
HE is responsible but so is the likes of you and Massive G and other`s filling his pea brain full of shit that he believed it.
I see the same happening with this KUCLO kid and it won`t be long before he is destroyed as well.
Watch and see.
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Devon, Adonis, TA, I do not see why you continue to put down people for acheiving something you can not do. You want to say there is no way Steve could pull 400 and change without AAS or straps and belts. LOL Wake up guys you are making excuses for your own lack of commitment and flawed training. But Boy do yall boast some big egos.
We had 7 a combo of WRs and DBs when I was playing football that were under 170 pulling 450. 2 of them powercleaned 320. And these are the little guys on the team.
Wake up kids.
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both of those dudes are strong as fuck.
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Overload... how can you possibly say that someone knows their shit, when they can honestly say that without the belt or straps " He would have gotten at least 2 reps"? Take away some VITAL equipment that some has become accustomed to wearing and they will SUFFER. I bet this kid is so used to straps he has almost zero grip strength.
So?
Lots of people have genetically weak grip strength that will never parallel their ability to deadlift. Its no suprise that its never people with that problem who complain about straps of course.
Is he training legs or his grip ?
Post a video of you doing 635lbs for 3 and feel free to wear straps of course.
BrianX: As far as I remember TA's deadlift pics show him using straps..
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I am NOT Devon97.
I do not have any gimmicks on here.
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First off please never insult me by accusing me of being TA.
Bottom line is this:
If a skinny kid posted a vid of himself doing 3 reps deadlifts of 315 with the EXACT technique as Klucko, then I guarentee you that everyone on this board would tell the kid to lower thew weight and use better lifting technique.
Fact: When someone posts a vid of them doing a very heavy weight with sloppy technique young impressionable lifters are often so impressed by the sheer weight used that they look past the sloppy bounceing of the weight and are awe struck by the visual affect.
YOu see if he were to use 525 for a RAW 3 reps with ZERO bounce it would still be impressive but yet not have the same SHOCK affect on impressionable young lifters.
Fact: Another way that people try to justify the sloppy and dangerous bounce technique is " WHY dont YOU post a vid of YOU doing it with a bounce and straps?" My reply: " SO if I cant equal that feat I cant correct poor lifting technique when I see it"?
REMEMBER: Being strong doesnt give you a free ticket to bounce weights.
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I never, or almost never, occupy the middle of my cage; my whole being surges toward the bars.
I tried, Lord knows I tried but I just couldn't read this without laughing. Nice try though TA.
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First off please never insult me by accusing me of being TA.
Bottom line is this:
If a skinny kid posted a vid of himself doing 3 reps deadlifts of 315 with the EXACT technique as Klucko, then I guarentee you that everyone on this board would tell the kid to lower thew weight and use better lifting technique.
Fact: When someone posts a vid of them doing a very heavy weight with sloppy technique young impressionable lifters are often so impressed by the sheer weight used that they look past the sloppy bounceing of the weight and are awe struck by the visual affect.
YOu see if he were to use 525 for a RAW 3 reps with ZERO bounce it would still be impressive but yet not have the same SHOCK affect on impressionable young lifters.
Fact: Another way that people try to justify the sloppy and dangerous bounce technique is " WHY dont YOU post a vid of YOU doing it with a bounce and straps?" My reply: " SO if I cant equal that feat I cant correct poor lifting technique when I see it"?
REMEMBER: Being strong doesnt give you a free ticket to bounce weights.
I never said anything about the bounce personally so I'll make it clearer.
You're quite welcome to post a video of you doing 1 faithful rep (which he did) with straps.
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I never said anything about the bounce personally so I'll make it clearer.
You're quite welcome to post a video of you doing 1 faithful rep (which he did) with straps.
And what will this prove? Most coaches arent as strong as the lifters they train. Does this mean if a coach cant out lift his pupil then he cant instruct him>? Im confused? I am also confused why my ability to perform a 1 rep deadlift with an industrial strength belt and straps has anything thing to do with anything.... especially since I NEVER once claimed to be able to!
Do you see why this is very confusing to me ?
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And what will this prove? Most coaches arent as strong as the lifters they train. Does this mean if a coach cant out lift his pupil then he cant instruct him>? Im confused? I am also confused why my ability to perform a 1 rep deadlift with an industrial strength belt and straps has anything thing to do with anything.... especially since I NEVER once claimed to be able to!
Do you see why this is very confusing to me ?
You came to this thread and put forth the fact that its a shit lift for a variety of reasons. This isn't a coaches board, this is a board for lifters. If its a shit lift and straps and belt are such a performance gain post a picture of you coming close using the parameters provided - thereby proving thats its a trivial thing. The question of whether you can do it is highly relevant.
You are right that if it were 315 we would criticise it but you make certain allowances when the load is decent. Especially when you're talking about legitimate equipment allowances, not poor technique (again, the bounce I said nothing about, the first rep has nothing to do with that).
This has nothing to do with instruction and everything to do with having a little respect for an "ok" lift. I don't think its super impressive for a juiced up guy either but I'm not about to make a thousand excuses as to why he can do it and I can't.
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Juicing or not.... the kid is dope. let him do his thing.
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Juicing or not.... the kid is dope. let him do his thing.
Word.
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You came to this thread and put forth the fact that its a shit lift for a variety of reasons. This isn't a coaches board, this is a board for lifters. If its a shit lift and straps and belt are such a performance gain post a picture of you coming close using the parameters provided - thereby proving thats its a trivial thing. The question of whether you can do it is highly relevant.
You are right that if it were 315 we would criticise it but you make certain allowances when the load is decent. Especially when you're talking about legitimate equipment allowances, not poor technique (again, the bounce I said nothing about, the first rep has nothing to do with that).
This has nothing to do with instruction and everything to do with having a little respect for an "ok" lift. I don't think its super impressive for a juiced up guy either but I'm not about to make a thousand excuses as to why he can do it and I can't.
Your wrong: 1)Never said it was a shit lift. Please dont put words into my mouth. 2) My strength has ZERO relevance. 3) I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are an experienced lifter with at least 10 years experience. If so then you SHOULD know from personal experience the HUGE BOOST straps and an industrial strength belt can offer.
Your right: 1)I do agree its an "ok" lift for a juiced up guy and the first rep is solid. I will agree you didnt say anything about bounce so fair enough on that point.
Here is my Beef: I personally think the lift would be ALOT more impressive if it were performed RAW and no bounce BUT with less weight. Do you agree with me or Disagree with me on this point?
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Word.
agreed as well, so why the need for the excessive bounce?
If it was a skinny kid who bounced 315 EVERYONE on here would tell him to LOWER the weight.
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agreed as well, so why the need for the excessive bounce?
If it was a skinny kid who bounced 315 EVERYONE on here would tell him to LOWER the weight.
Because it's not a skinny kid with 315lbs on the bar. It's a 21 year old monster with 600+. Who cares what he could do raw? I could give a shit, I doubt he'll ever try to do 600+ raw with no belt and straps. I just see it as a mute point. I'm not trying to argue with you I just don't get the motivation behind saying how much he could do raw.
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agreed as well, so why the need for the excessive bounce?
If it was a skinny kid who bounced 315 EVERYONE on here would tell him to LOWER the weight.
Here is a question for every poster on this thread. When you deadlift in the gym, do you go without straps and make sure you take a deadstop 3 second pause between every rep, just in case maybe just maybe there might be a powerlifting judge 10 feet away sitting in a chair.....waiting to give you a green light or not?
When I saw Ronnie doing 805 for 2, my thoughts were "thats guys a freak!"
not "ohhhh bullshit he bounced the second rep, he sucks! Probaly couldnt get 400 without straps"
He's a 21 year old bodybuilder Devon winging it in the gym....
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Here is a question for every poster on this thread. When you deadlift in the gym, do you go without straps and make sure you take a deadstop 3 second pause between every rep, just in case maybe just maybe there might be a powerlifting judge 10 feet away sitting in a chair.....waiting to give you a green light or not?
When I saw Ronnie doing 805 for 2, my thoughts were "thats guys a freak!"
not "ohhhh bullshit he bounced the second rep, he sucks! Probaly couldnt get 400 without straps"
He's a 21 year old bodybuilder Devon winging it in the gym....
Did you rinse your beef before or after this post?
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Both--since it rids ground beef of up to 50% of the fat that is cooked and brought to the surface, both. Do this today, cook up some burger/ground beef and put it into a dish and leave it in the fridge till tommorrow morning. Let me know if you feel like chowing it down after looking at the contents of that dish, because all that white solidified fat you see is what's going into your body if you dont rinse after cooking.
If its too comical for you to do or just a pain in the ass to do after cooking, hey be my guest in chowing that down, might as well pour the liquidfied fat thats in the pan and drink that down as a chaser.
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Here is a question for every poster on this thread. When you deadlift in the gym, do you go without straps and make sure you take a deadstop 3 second pause between every rep, just in case maybe just maybe there might be a powerlifting judge 10 feet away sitting in a chair.....waiting to give you a green light or not?
When I saw Ronnie doing 805 for 2, my thoughts were "thats guys a freak!"
not "ohhhh bullshit he bounced the second rep, he sucks! Probaly couldnt get 400 without straps"
He's a 21 year old bodybuilder Devon winging it in the gym....
I pause after each rep for a few sets and at times do the other method. I find it really doesn`t matter as I don`t really bounce that much. I pretend I am touching glass with the touch and go method.
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Both--since it rids ground beef of up to 50% of the fat that is cooked and brought to the surface, both. Do this today, cook up some burger/ground beef and put it into a dish and leave it in the fridge till tommorrow morning. Let me know if you feel like chowing it down after looking at the contents of that dish, because all that white solidified fat you see is what's going into your body if you dont rinse after cooking.
If its too comical for you to do or just a pain in the ass to do after cooking, hey be my guest in chowing that down, might as well pour the liquidfied fat thats in the pan and drink that down as a chaser.
Enjoy the fat, eat less protein!
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Both--since it rids ground beef of up to 50% of the fat that is cooked and brought to the surface, both. Do this today, cook up some burger/ground beef and put it into a dish and leave it in the fridge till tommorrow morning. Let me know if you feel like chowing it down after looking at the contents of that dish, because all that white solidified fat you see is what's going into your body if you dont rinse after cooking.
If its too comical for you to do or just a pain in the ass to do after cooking, hey be my guest in chowing that down, might as well pour the liquidfied fat thats in the pan and drink that down as a chaser.
Ha ha ha ha...MELTDOWN. What's up, Dante? ;D Holy shit I love this place.
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You guys didnt know that rinsing off cooked ground beef is the secret behind Steve Kuclo's success?
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Yeah Dante, they understand perfectly well the logic behind rinsing your beef so why are you trying to explain it again? If you pick apart any guru's bag of objective, formal tricks, you can usually reduce it all to a collection of seemingly trivial techniques that aren't worthy of any real unique praise...but you put them all together and sprinkle an objective eye for detail with a passionate appreciation of aesthetic and you have yourself a true asset to the sport that can help make dreams become a reality. You were the first to really advocate more than a couple of ideas so you deserve credit for trying to help the sport actualize itself, IMO.
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Since this is going offtopic anyway I might as well ask this: I'm not american so I wanted to know what rinsing the meat is, I was not too lazy to look up rinsing so I'll just ask: it's just holding it under water for a while ?
And if you have a burger containing 10g fat per 100g burger, does it rid it of 5-8 of those fat grams ?
Thx dante (or others who reply)
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Yeah they understand perfectly well the logic behind rinsing your beef so why are you trying to explain it again? If you pick apart any guru's bag of objective, formal tricks, you can usually reduce it all to a collection of seemingly trivial techniques that aren't worthy of any real unique praise...but you put them all together and sprinkle an objective eye for detail with a passionate appreciation of aesthetic and you have yourself a true asset to the sport that can help make dreams become a reality. You were the first to really advocate more than a couple of ideas so you deserve credit for trying to help the sport actualize itself, IMO.
However,
there is a lot to be said by doling out false hope and expecting a true result.
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I dont know how it got started anyway Moen...its not like its a staple in my diet rec's. I think I answered a question once on IM from someone who said they didnt have alot of money for red meat (which I do recommend) and they asked if ground beef would be ok, and I told him to rinse it after its cooked......Im hoping it becomes as big of a staple as "he almost died for you bitches" and "Flex Wheeler measured his bodyfat at 0% in Golds Gym in front of Jimmy Quinn" but I dont think it has that kind of momentum.
To answer your question, after cooked (in a collander or whatever) if you run it under water fairly quickly (this isnt a lengthy ordeal) it will get rid of a great deal of liquidfied fat that is cooked to the surface and is coating the meat.
One of the detrimental sides of it though is it can cause you to slightly bounce your deadlift reps so keep that in mind
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Here is a question for every poster on this thread. When you deadlift in the gym, do you go without straps and make sure you take a deadstop 3 second pause between every rep, just in case maybe just maybe there might be a powerlifting judge 10 feet away sitting in a chair.....waiting to give you a green light or not?
Yes...
no straps, only a belt for anything under 3 reps and a little chaulk.
but i'm a power lifter... ;D
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I dont know how it got started anyway Moen...its not like its a staple in my diet rec's. I think I answered a question once on IM from someone who said they didnt have alot of money for red meat (which I do recommend) and they asked if ground beef would be ok, and I told him to rinse it after its cooked......Im hoping it becomes as big of a staple as "he almost died for you bitches" and "Flex Wheeler measured his bodyfat at 0% in Golds Gym in front of Jimmy Quinn" but I dont think it has that kind of momentum.
To answer your question, after cooked (in a collander or whatever) if you run it under water fairly quickly (this isnt a lengthy ordeal) it will get rid of a great deal of liquidfied fat that is cooked to the surface and is coating the meat.
One of the detrimental sides of it though is it can cause you to slightly bounce your deadlift reps so keep that in mind
What if I rinse it somewhat longer, will I also bounce harder during deadlifting ?
Thx by the way!
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However,
there is a lot to be said by doling out false hope and expecting a true result.
Adonis I'm not implying that I don't sympathize with your position somewhat as well...please understand this. I'm not taking sides here, that's for sure.
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Both--since it rids ground beef of up to 50% of the fat that is cooked and brought to the surface, both. Do this today, cook up some burger/ground beef and put it into a dish and leave it in the fridge till tommorrow morning. Let me know if you feel like chowing it down after looking at the contents of that dish, because all that white solidified fat you see is what's going into your body if you dont rinse after cooking.
If its too comical for you to do or just a pain in the ass to do after cooking, hey be my guest in chowing that down, might as well pour the liquidfied fat thats in the pan and drink that down as a chaser.
D.c, you do realize that lots bodybuilders boiled their beef as far back as 84 (and probably before), when mr universe had me doing it, right? I don't know why he asked you that question, but I just hope this isn't another one of your "new" old ideas. No offense here, just curious if you realized that.
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D.c, you do realize that lots bodybuilders boiled their beef as far back as 84 (and probably before), when mr universe had me doing it, right? I don't know why he asked you that question, but I just hope this isn't another one of your "new" old ideas. No offense here, just curious if you realized that.
show Dante some respect!! he invented bodybuilding. ::)
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Not like anyone really cares, but bouncing some heavy deads off the floor can actually be beneficial if your lockout is your weak point. It allows you to do a few more reps that you wouldnt get if you paused it therefore your locking out more weight more times. Benedict Magnussen who is one of the 2 best deadlifters in the world actually trains this way sometimes. Only problem is the 2 guys in the videos are not powerlifters so training like that shouldnt be of any use for them.
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Here is a question for every poster on this thread. When you deadlift in the gym, do you go without straps and make sure you take a deadstop 3 second pause between every rep, just in case maybe just maybe there might be a powerlifting judge 10 feet away sitting in a chair.....waiting to give you a green light or not?
When I saw Ronnie doing 805 for 2, my thoughts were "thats guys a freak!"
not "ohhhh bullshit he bounced the second rep, he sucks! Probaly couldnt get 400 without straps"
He's a 21 year old bodybuilder Devon winging it in the gym....
I will answer your question DC. And NO, I do not pause 3 seconds b/t every set, sometimes I pause 2 and sometimes I pause 4.
THis was a very good post by Matt C and good video clips by 2 very strong lifters and has proved 2 things:
1)The VAST majority of people on this board have enrolled themselves in the belief system that Poor technique and bouncing of weight is OK and acceptable if you are VERY strong. Natural -Al said it himself, since "The kid is a 21 y/o monster it is a mute point."
2) DC along with the majority of people on this thread do NOT understand Elastic energy-------> you LOSE the elastic energy carryover when you pause. PROOF------> THe 2nd two reps he performed in the vid were easier then the first!
HangClean.. You make an excellent point.... It would benefit the 2 Bodybuilders in the vid , and actually contribute to more muscle growth ( the #1 goal) anyway to pause at the bottom. The posterior chain traps and lats would be doing more work and be more heavily "recruited" with a pause.
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I will answer your question DC. And NO, I do not pause 3 seconds b/t every set, sometimes I pause 2 and sometimes I pause 4.
THis was a very good post by Matt C and good video clips by 2 very strong lifters and has proved 2 things:
1)The VAST majority of people on this board have enrolled themselves in the belief system that Poor technique and bouncing of weight is OK and acceptable if you are VERY strong. Natural -Al said it himself, since "The kid is a 21 y/o monster it is a mute point."
2) DC along with the majority of people on this thread do NOT understand Elastic energy-------> you LOSE the elastic energy carryover when you pause. PROOF------> THe 2nd two reps he performed in the vid were easier then the first!
HangClean.. You make an excellent point.... It would benefit the 2 Bodybuilders in the vid , and actually contribute to more muscle growth ( the #1 goal) anyway to pause at the bottom. The posterior chain traps and lats would be doing more work and be more heavily "recruited" with a pause.
Couldn`t have said it better myself. :)
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all these little punks, hit some gear, think they are true players, they aint nobody, do a little a gear, think people gotta respect em.
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Not like anyone really cares, but bouncing some heavy deads off the floor can actually be beneficial if your lockout is your weak point. It allows you to do a few more reps that you wouldnt get if you paused it therefore your locking out more weight more times. Benedict Magnussen who is one of the 2 best deadlifters in the world actually trains this way sometimes. Only problem is the 2 guys in the videos are not powerlifters so training like that shouldnt be of any use for them.
I prefer rack deadlifts with about 100 pounds over my max floor deadlift...set the pins around the knee area.
bouncing the weights causes momentum, it does not add weight to the bar. more weight in the rack deadlift will help your lockout strength...same thing with bench, squat...etc
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all these little punks, hit some gear, think they are true players, they aint nobody, do a little a gear, think people gotta respect em.
Meanwhile we should respect a 40 year old wannabe gang-banger having a mid-life crisis. Makes a lot of sense to me!
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all these little punks, hit some gear, think they are true players, they aint nobody, do a little a gear, think people gotta respect em.
normally i would agree with you but these two guys work extremely hard based on that video, now i don't know for sure if that video is real but i'd say i'm 98 percent sure it is.
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I prefer rack deadlifts with about 100 pounds over my max floor deadlift...set the pins around the knee area.
bouncing the weights causes momentum, it does not add weight to the bar. more weight in the rack deadlift will help your lockout strength...same thing with bench, squat...etc
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That momentum will usually only take you to about right above the knee. The only problem with rack pulls is that you are never in your regular groove that you have from the floor. I still do them anyway though because it helps my grip.
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That momentum will usually only take you to about right above the knee. The only problem with rack pulls is that you are never in your regular groove that you have from the floor. I still do them anyway though because it helps my grip.
Good points...
the rack just helps me handle heavier weights...i see your point and agree it is a little different.
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D.c, you do realize that lots bodybuilders boiled their beef as far back as 84 (and probably before), when mr universe had me doing it, right? I don't know why he asked you that question, but I just hope this isn't another one of your "new" old ideas. No offense here, just curious if you realized that.
I love how everyones ego is wrapped up so loosely in this sport. I suggest to a guy on a board a way of getting rid of some fat when he cooks ground beef and you take that as me saying "hi im the originator of this method?" If you suggest to some guy to do some treadmill work to lose bodyfat should I assume that you think you invented cardio? Ridiculous.
Think about it for a second. I didnt make up any fancy training pseudonames, I called my way of training "rest pause training" because thats the closest thing I could find to it (Rest pause is 6 singles of max weight with rest between them vs the way I do sets--going to failure 3 times during a set for 11-15 reps), and my screen name is "Doggcrapp".
Does that sound like someone who is after some sort of glory to you?
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No, absolutely it doesn't sound like someone after glory or whatever. I just was curious, (because he sarcastically asked you if you rinsed your beef) if it was a new and improved diet method you suggest. In this day and age where guys will actually try to convince naive people that medicine ball training is new and inovative for athletes, while it's been done since the early 1900's. In strength and conditioning training there are acually guys that claim there new rope climbing/hand strengthening is a new technique, while it's been used since the days of the phys ed programs in the 30's. Anyway, not wanting to start anything, it just a question.
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" WHy should they pause them?" The carry over of elastic energy from each rep is aiding tremendously in each rep! WHy do u think the hardest rep was the first??lol
The extra strength from the stretch reflex is only a positive here. You are loading the muscle with more weight. More weight = more tension = growth.
In fact guys like Benni Magnusson use this to overload more in training. He starts his deadlift from the top by picking it up from a rack.
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I will answer your question DC. And NO, I do not pause 3 seconds b/t every set, sometimes I pause 2 and sometimes I pause 4.
THis was a very good post by Matt C and good video clips by 2 very strong lifters and has proved 2 things:
1)The VAST majority of people on this board have enrolled themselves in the belief system that Poor technique and bouncing of weight is OK and acceptable if you are VERY strong. Natural -Al said it himself, since "The kid is a 21 y/o monster it is a mute point."
2) DC along with the majority of people on this thread do NOT understand Elastic energy-------> you LOSE the elastic energy carryover when you pause. PROOF------> THe 2nd two reps he performed in the vid were easier then the first!
HangClean.. You make an excellent point.... It would benefit the 2 Bodybuilders in the vid , and actually contribute to more muscle growth ( the #1 goal) anyway to pause at the bottom. The posterior chain traps and lats would be doing more work and be more heavily "recruited" with a pause.
here's the thing. First these are national level guys, I think they have a pretty decent idea of what they are doing. Second when I said that I was saying it becaue someone said if a 135lbs kid was doing the same thing everyone would be all over him. Steve is not a 135lbs kid. That was the context. I just think it's funny how everyone on here is such a stickler for "proper form" and everytime something is posted all these people come out of the woodwork about form this, form that. What are we here for? We all want to build muscle and if this is the style that these guys train in and it works why should we questions them? If you don't want to do your deadlifts like them then don't. I don't see anything wrong with what they were doing. Was it textbook form? I'm not a powerlifter but I can say that it was probably not "textbook". Was it decent? I think it was. Did it make me want to go deadlfit? sure did.
I don't think there's anything wrong with a little "cheating" as long as it's done in a controlled consistant fashion.
I just didn't think it was that far off of what 95% of the poeple out there are doing and I think some people are making waaay to big a deal out of it.
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I love how everyones ego is wrapped up so loosely in this sport. I suggest to a guy on a board a way of getting rid of some fat when he cooks ground beef and you take that as me saying "hi im the originator of this method?" If you suggest to some guy to do some treadmill work to lose bodyfat should I assume that you think you invented cardio? Ridiculous.
Think about it for a second. I didnt make up any fancy training pseudonames, I called my way of training "rest pause training" because thats the closest thing I could find to it (Rest pause is 6 singles of max weight with rest between them vs the way I do sets--going to failure 3 times during a set for 11-15 reps), and my screen name is "Doggcrapp".
Does that sound like someone who is after some sort of glory to you?
the thing is there are pople on this board who have a vendetta againts you that will do or say anything to discredit you. I have never gotten the impression that I was gonna be a 240lbs monster just because I follow some DC principle. If someone thinks that and fails or gets fat then that's thier own fault. It's not like DC is twisting some guys arm saying you gotta train like I say and eat how I want you to eat and if you do you'll be a pro in 2 years. Think. That's what you have to do with any program. If you honestly don't believe in the principles of any program then it will never work. If you think a program will work then do it for a few months and assess your progress if it is not working then move away from it. I had success with max-ot style training but I started having joint problems. Was it my fault or the programs fault? Maybe a little of both but I had the common sense to drop it before something bad happened. Do I think I'm gonna be a pro because I use some of Dante's methods? No, I'd be a fool to think that at this point in my lifel. I enjoy this style of training, I'm getting stronger and I'm adding some muscle while maintaining a decent level of BF. Am I ripped to the bone? Nope but I'm not a lard ass either. I can see my abs and I have viens in my forarms and quads. Now if I followed DC's methods and I made no progress but put on fat I'd be the first guy to call bullshit.
I just don't get the total close mindedness of some of the people on this site, you've got guys on here who are pretty well known and all people want to do is attack, attack...why not pick thier brains and learn a thing or two instead of making the same stupid ground beef jokes that were made 2 years ago?
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The extra strength from the stretch reflex is only a positive here. You are loading the muscle with more weight. More weight = more tension = growth.
In fact guys like Benni Magnusson use this to overload more in training. He starts his deadlift from the top by picking it up from a rack.
"More weight= more tension= more growth" In some cases YES but in this case, NO.
Let me explain.
We both agree that if the deadlift was performed correctly for 3 reps (with a pause a/f each rep) then less weight would have to be used, weather it be 30lbs or 50 lbs less.
You see even though more weight was used....... there was also a tremendous amount of momentum used to bounce the weight off the floor. THis does not EQUATE to a heaver LOAD on the muscles. WHY? Because elastic energy and momentum was used to bounce the weight off the floor, the muscles were NOT doing all the work, momentum and elastic energy was used to "bounce" the weight off the floor.
The Visual proof of this is in the Vid when he hardly got the first rep and yet the last 2 reps were EASIER then the first. This is undisputable proof to support my point.
The muscles would have experienced a greater "growth stimulas" if 575 had been used for each rep with a 3 second pause b/t each rep. Less weight would have been used , HOWEVER there would be ZERO momentum and elastic energy to assist in the lift.
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The extra strength from the stretch reflex is only a positive here. You are loading the muscle with more weight. More weight = more tension = growth.
In fact guys like Benni Magnusson use this to overload more in training. He starts his deadlift from the top by picking it up from a rack.
I have not seen Magnusson Perform a conventional deadlift before , but i would be willing to bet that he NEVER intentionally bounces the weight off the floor.
Besides it is very dangerous with that heavy of a load and is sensless to risk injury. WHich is why I am surprised these 2 guys would risk injury just to boost their ego?
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here's the thing. First these are national level guys, I think they have a pretty decent idea of what they are doing. Second when I said that I was saying it becaue someone said if a 135lbs kid was doing the same thing everyone would be all over him. Steve is not a 135lbs kid. That was the context. I just think it's funny how everyone on here is such a stickler for "proper form" and everytime something is posted all these people come out of the woodwork about form this, form that. What are we here for? We all want to build muscle and if this is the style that these guys train in and it works why should we questions them? If you don't want to do your deadlifts like them then don't. I don't see anything wrong with what they were doing. Was it textbook form? I'm not a powerlifter but I can say that it was probably not "textbook". Was it decent? I think it was. Did it make me want to go deadlfit? sure did.
I don't think there's anything wrong with a little "cheating" as long as it's done in a controlled consistant fashion.
I just didn't think it was that far off of what 95% of the poeple out there are doing and I think some people are making waaay to big a deal out of it.
Whats the point of "cheating and bouncing" ?
Like you said they are both National level competitors, so what is the benefit of bouncing VERY heavy loads?
Not only is it poor lifting technique but it is VERY dangerous.
Natural -Al, why do u think 2 National level guys would ever risk injury by bouncing such a heavy load?
No need to boost their ego.... They are obviously VERY strong reguardless.
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I have not seen Magnusson Perform a conventional deadlift before , but i would be willing to bet that he NEVER intentionally bounces the weight off the floor.
Besides it is very dangerous with that heavy of a load and is sensless to risk injury. WHich is why I am surprised these 2 guys would risk injury just to boost their ego?
there are a lot of videos of Benni and Andy Bolton going tit for tat on 900lb. plus deadlifts on the powerlifting board, Benni pulls very recklessly and fast and is an absolutely inhuman puller i can easily see him using this method of training of bouncing the weight off the floor, i also think that if benni and Bolton were forced to use a more conventional bar instead of the "funny bars" that they use for these 950lb. pulls their lifts would go down by 50lbs.
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there are a lot of videos of Benni and Andy Bolton going tit for tat on 900lb. plus deadlifts on the powerlifting board, Benni pulls very recklessly and fast and is an absolutely inhuman puller i can easily see him using this method of training of bouncing the weight off the floor, i also think that if benni and Bolton were forced to use a more conventional bar instead of the "funny bars" that they use for these 950lb. pulls their lifts would go down by 50lbs.
Interesting... well I have never seen those guys dead so I cant say.
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Interesting... well I have never seen those guys dead so I cant say.
they're worth checking out, they are both unbelievably strong deadlifters but they compete with bars that bend four inches before the weight even breaks the floor.
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Whats the point of "cheating and bouncing" ?
Like you said they are both National level competitors, so what is the benefit of bouncing VERY heavy loads?
Not only is it poor lifting technique but it is VERY dangerous.
Natural -Al, why do u think 2 National level guys would ever risk injury by bouncing such a heavy load?
No need to boost their ego.... They are obviously VERY strong reguardless.
Like I said, I don't think thier form was that bad. What portion of the deadlift from a BB point of view is the deadlift most effective? Is it the first couple of inches off the floor or the rest of the movement? I think in this situation that the little bounce is not all that big of a deal, that's all I'm saying. Like DC said, was Ronnie's form all that much better when he did his 800lbs dl? I don't know, I haven't watched it in a long time but I don't remember it being that much better. Who do you think is getting more out of a movement a guy using super strict form and stuck at using a 35lbs DB or a guy who's used a little body english and can do the same movement using a 65lbs dumbbell?
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Like I said, I don't think thier form was that bad. What portion of the deadlift from a BB point of view is the deadlift most effective? Is it the first couple of inches off the floor or the rest of the movement? I think in this situation that the little bounce is not all that big of a deal, that's all I'm saying. Like DC said, was Ronnie's form all that much better when he did his 800lbs dl? I don't know, I haven't watched it in a long time but I don't remember it being that much better. Who do you think is getting more out of a movement a guy using super strict form and stuck at using a 35lbs DB or a guy who's used a little body english and can do the same movement using a 65lbs dumbbell?
the bounce really isn't that big of a deal for bb'ers because they're still stimulating a lot of muscle going that heavy for the full ROM, maybe it would be a big deal for a PL'er who is judged on the strictness of his lift.
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the bounce really isn't that big of a deal for bb'ers because they're still stimulating a lot of muscle going that heavy for the full ROM, maybe it would be a big deal for a PL'er who is judged on the strictness of his lift.
that's what I've been saying or trying to say. I think he's getting more benifit from moving 600lbs using a slight bounce at the bottom vs. using 400lbs using meet regulations.
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Spoken like someone who has never used straps or a belt before.
He would not have gotten 1 rep if He performed it RAW. Notice how the last 2 reps were EASIER then the first.... He was able to bounce the last 2 off the floor. I mean the first rep was a killer he could harely move it , NO WAY he would have gotten even 1 rep if he took off the belt and straps.
Yeah, I don't know shit about powerlifting or lifting in general ::) ::) ::)...
Trust me, I know of what I speak on this particular topic.
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"More weight= more tension= more growth" In some cases YES but in this case, NO.
Let me explain.
We both agree that if the deadlift was performed correctly for 3 reps (with a pause a/f each rep) then less weight would have to be used, weather it be 30lbs or 50 lbs less.
You see even though more weight was used....... there was also a tremendous amount of momentum used to bounce the weight off the floor. THis does not EQUATE to a heaver LOAD on the muscles. WHY? Because elastic energy and momentum was used to bounce the weight off the floor, the muscles were NOT doing all the work, momentum and elastic energy was used to "bounce" the weight off the floor.
The Visual proof of this is in the Vid when he hardly got the first rep and yet the last 2 reps were EASIER then the first. This is undisputable proof to support my point.
The muscles would have experienced a greater "growth stimulas" if 575 had been used for each rep with a 3 second pause b/t each rep. Less weight would have been used , HOWEVER there would be ZERO momentum and elastic energy to assist in the lift.
See I think the muscle is able to contract harder when it's preceeded by an excentric.
Why do you have to pause in the deadlift but not in any other excercise when you are doing bodybuilding training? Why does no bodybuilder pause in the bottom of a squat? In the bench? If pausing is so much more beneficial shouldn't you pause all your movements to get rid of the kinetic energy? In Steve's video there was no ouright bounce either. The weight just touched the floor rather lightly.
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Here is a question for every poster on this thread. When you deadlift in the gym, do you go without straps and make sure you take a deadstop 3 second pause between every rep, just in case maybe just maybe there might be a powerlifting judge 10 feet away sitting in a chair.....waiting to give you a green light or not?
When I saw Ronnie doing 805 for 2, my thoughts were "thats guys a freak!"
not "ohhhh bullshit he bounced the second rep, he sucks! Probaly couldnt get 400 without straps"
He's a 21 year old bodybuilder Devon winging it in the gym....
I do ;).
Lol, I do for my own reasons and your point is well taken. The guys is VERY strong.
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A little history:
J.C. Hise was a physical culturalist from the early 1900s. He was a man known for brute strength and for bulking himself to over 300 lbs using squats and various other exercises he invented. One such exercise used an apparatus he invented called the "hopper". It was essentially a deadlift platform which allowed the lifter to bounce the bar through the initial portion of the deadlift ROM. This allowed for greater loads and helped Hise to pull 700+ lbs in the 20s or 30s (I can't remember exactly). This was obviously WAY before steroids hit the scene.
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doesn't work says its flagged >:(
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D.c, you do realize that lots bodybuilders boiled their beef as far back as 84 (and probably before), when mr universe had me doing it, right? I don't know why he asked you that question, but I just hope this isn't another one of your "new" old ideas. No offense here, just curious if you realized that.
I don't think Dante ever claimed to have invented that... My parents have been rising the beef forever! Its pretty common where I come from.
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I don't think Dante ever claimed to have invented that... My parents have been rising the beef forever! Its pretty common where I come from.
Yeah, I understand Alex, that's why I asked why the poster sarcastically asked him that question.
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Interesting... well I have never seen those guys dead so I cant say.
Devon check out these 2 animals
This is King Kong vs Godzilla in the powerlifting world. Alot of the young guys on this board who only get into the visual side of the weightlifting world wont appreciate this but the guys on this board who have been around the block surely will.....these are 2 absolute beasts going mano a mano (get the women and children off the streets)
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Your wrong: 1)Never said it was a shit lift. Please dont put words into my mouth. 2) My strength has ZERO relevance. 3) I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are an experienced lifter with at least 10 years experience. If so then you SHOULD know from personal experience the HUGE BOOST straps and an industrial strength belt can offer.
Your right: 1)I do agree its an "ok" lift for a juiced up guy and the first rep is solid. I will agree you didnt say anything about bounce so fair enough on that point.
Here is my Beef: I personally think the lift would be ALOT more impressive if it were performed RAW and no bounce BUT with less weight. Do you agree with me or Disagree with me on this point?
You hung shit on him on your very first post here, there was enough scorn in the post to know that you have no respect for the lift. You also talk quite extensively about straps which as I have pointed out are very legitimate and in many cases absolutely necessary. You'll notice that despite the fact it was in some ways a flawed lift most people here (including notorious lifters) give credit where credit is due.
To be honest I'm only really concerned about the first rep and I don't see the belt or the straps as distorting the lift so I'd be less impressed by raw. I don't know whether the belt is truly an aid, I know when I deadlift heavy I only put one on for psychological reinforcement. Sometimes I have forgotten to put it on and the result has been the same. My belt wouldn't be considered "industrial" though.
As for your debate with Chris Mason.. haha, be careful. He is one person on this site that probably can do that weight without straps or a belt. Natural too.
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You hung shit on him on your very first post here, there was enough scorn in the post to know that you have no respect for the lift. You also talk quite extensively about straps which as I have pointed out are very legitimate and in many cases absolutely necessary. You'll notice that despite the fact it was in some ways a flawed lift most people here (including notorious lifters) give credit where credit is due.
To be honest I'm only really concerned about the first rep and I don't see the belt or the straps as distorting the lift so I'd be less impressed by raw. I don't know whether the belt is truly an aid, I know when I deadlift heavy I only put one on for psychological reinforcement. Sometimes I have forgotten to put it on and the result has been the same. My belt wouldn't be considered "industrial" though.
As for your debate with Chris Mason.. haha, be careful. He is one person on this site that probably can do that weight without straps or a belt. Natural too.
Actually, I pulled 645 lbs at our booth at the Olympia Expo while wearing my khaki shorts and a t-shirt. No belt, not straps, and with a hook grip. Greg from Gearman Nutrition (he was the next booth over from us) tried to get me to give 665 lbs a whirl but I figured that was enough for the day.
Thanks for the props Rocket. :)
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Devon check out these 2 animals
This is King Kong vs Godzilla in the powerlifting world. Alot of the young guys on this board who only get into the visual side of the weightlifting world wont appreciate this but the guys on this board who have been around the block surely will.....these are 2 absolute beasts going mano a mano (get the women and children off the streets)
How can you NOT get fired up about watching those two fucking animals! Man, I LOVE that stuff!
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How can you NOT get fired up about watching those two fucking animals! Man, I LOVE that stuff!
Yeah that was awesome!
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Actually, I pulled 645 lbs at our booth at the Olympia Expo while wearing my khaki shorts and a t-shirt. No belt, not straps, and with a hook grip. Greg from Gearman Nutrition (he was the next booth over from us) tried to get me to give 665 lbs a whirl but I figured that was enough for the day.
Thanks for the props Rocket. :)
Jesus Chris I didnt know you were pulling that kind of raw slag iron. Very impressive. Do you have a 700 in you down the road?
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Jesus Chris I didnt know you were pulling that kind of raw slag iron. Very impressive. Do you have a 700 in you down the road?
I will pull 700 lbs completey raw sometime very soon (well, perhaps not too soon, we will have to see ;D). I have not tested myself to the limit as of late but I am probably in the 660 range right now. I may switch back to sumo style soon and I can always pull more sumo after I get a few workouts in.
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Straps can sometimes actually reduce the amount of weight lifted. I know I pull more when I can just "rip and grip". Depends on the size of the hands etc but grip is not a limiting factor for everyone. I'm using straps now because of partially torn biceps but I wish I could go without.
Chris Mason, how quickly could one get used to a hook grip? Hurt like a SOB when I tried it recently.
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If you guys want to see an absolute animal deadlifting, go on Irongame and look up Konstantin Konstaninov. This guy has the most reckless form I've ever seen and he pulls 935. And he is a 275er.
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Straps can sometimes actually reduce the amount of weight lifted. I know I pull more when I can just "rip and grip". Depends on the size of the hands etc but grip is not a limiting factor for everyone. I'm using straps now because of partially torn biceps but I wish I could go without.
Chris Mason, how quickly could one get used to a hook grip? Hurt like a SOB when I tried it recently.
It took me quite some time and yes, it does hurt like a bitch! The pain isn't so bad now.
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i've been pulling with a hook grip every other deadlift workout and it's alot more difficult than i thought...
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steve kuclo is a freak!
video of him on you tube hack squatting 8 plates a side + a 50 pound dumbell
note:this is more than ronnie does in the unbelievable!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1lNykZYsms (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1lNykZYsms)
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Ronnie also did 585 pound front squats before the hacks...
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Here he is owning TA as a natural &NR
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Here he is owning TA as a natural &NR
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what's as hook grip? both palms facing towards you? instead of the one hand over one under traditional grip!? ???
and i can't imagine the grip strength those guys have...holy god! :o
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what's as hook grip? both palms facing towards you? instead of the one hand over one under traditional grip!? ???
and i can't imagine the grip strength those guys have...holy god! :o
That is correct but the hook grip is a stronger one than the traditional overhand. The difference is you "hook" or cover your thumb with your index and forefinger. The thumb is therefore pinned between your fingers and the bar. That is where the pain comes in.
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i perform my dead with both hands over the top...
can you pull more with one up and one down? ???
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i perform my dead with both hands over the top...
can you pull more with one up and one down? ???
I think so yes. At least I have noticed it, changes the mechanics somehow. You don't pull completely evenly which is why it's recommended to switch which hand is over/under periodically to build the back evenly.
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yeah i noticed that i tuck my body in somehow when i tried it that way..so i went to hooking it instead...looks like benedikt pics it up that way too...
either way...anything over 600 is nutz!
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These threads make me laugh. Someone could post a clip of Steve deadlifting the Titanic for 3 reps and people's insecurities would still get the best of them, focusing on whether or not he is "all drugs" and how much he bounced he reps, its funny to me.
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These threads make me laugh. Someone could post a clip of Steve deadlifting the Titanic for 3 reps and people's insecurities would still get the best of them, focusing on whether or not he is "all drugs" and how much he bounced he reps, its funny to me.
I agree...it's crazy.
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All pros train differently and guess what? They all build world class physiques.
That is what I mean by Dante "selling" his program. Not literally selling it - but making it out to be any different than anything else. You can get enough resistance off a bowflex to build your physique to its max potential. That's my point: specific training techniques mean little, if anything at all.
Also, who cares about Steve's form? Really now - the dude is a powerhouse. How many pros can even lift that weight?! Johnnie O. Jackson only did 675 for three in his training video and he is considered one of the strongest pros out there - to some, he is considered THE strongest pro.
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/johnnieojacksonallamericanworkout.html
Lastly - what's wrong with rinsing your beef? Are the naysayers saying it hurts in some manner?
i didn't see where anyone said rinsing beef is bad......did someone in this thread?
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All pros train differently and guess what? They all build world class physiques.
That is what I mean by Dante "selling" his program. Not literally selling it - but making it out to be any different than anything else. You can get enough resistance off a bowflex to build your physique to its max potential. That's my point: specific training techniques mean little, if anything at all.
Also, who cares about Steve's form? Really now - the dude is a powerhouse. How many pros can even lift that weight?! Johnnie O. Jackson only did 675 for three in his training video and he is considered one of the strongest pros out there - to some, he is considered THE strongest pro.
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/johnnieojacksonallamericanworkout.html
Lastly - what's wrong with rinsing your beef? Are the naysayers saying it hurts in some manner?
bluto's sister rinses my beef every night.
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this thread is funny. those guys look better than all of the haters on this thread..... funny what bouncing heavy ass weights does for your body.
ps: who cares if they are using straps really,,,,,,,,,,,,,they aren't PL and dont want to be. plus their forearms are bigger than your upper arms...
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What weirds me out about these people posting about "haters" in this thread is that there are hardly any "haters" in this thread atall.
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Remember, the definition of "hater" is different depending on the board. On mayhem for instance, a "hater" is defined as someone not kissing ass. Offering constructive criticism is grounds for being banned. But guess what? Steve, trop, etc, will only really pay attention to what is said on HERE. Because when WE say you're good - you're good. On mayhem, it just means the person posting it doesn't want to be banned.
I don't post that much on mayhem but I've never gotten that impression....honestly. I spend more time here so it's not like I'm sticking up for them or anything..is it really that bad? That's an honest question.
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Not really. I haven't been there for ages. Maybe it's changed - hopefully I should say.
it's funny cause I hear such bad things about dugdales wife, massive g, people getting banned....I don't know, maybe I just don't go looking for it or maybe I jsu don't notice it but it's not that bad. I pretty much mind my own business over there and only post once in awhile on the main discussion board and a little on the training board but I really don't see why everyone goes nuts. Maybe they see something I'm not seeing. There's people over here that HATE massive g...I don't know him, never pm'd him, I don't think I've ever responded to one of his threads but he does not seem like that big of a dick. Maybe I'm wrong, I honestly don't know.
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it's funny cause I hear such bad things about dugdales wife, massive g, people getting banned....I don't know, maybe I just don't go looking for it or maybe I jsu don't notice it but it's not that bad. I pretty much mind my own business over there and only post once in awhile on the main discussion board and a little on the training board but I really don't see why everyone goes nuts. Maybe they see something I'm not seeing. There's people over here that HATE massive g...I don't know him, never pm'd him, I don't think I've ever responded to one of his threads but he does not seem like that big of a dick. Maybe I'm wrong, I honestly don't know.
it's not that he's that much of an asshole on the board itself but he deletes anything where anyone questions what drugs a pro takes or just questions a pro on anything, then he bans you or gives you the BI tag, on the board itself he can actually be pretty cool sometimes and is very laid back about some things.
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it's not that he's that much of an asshole on the board itself but he deletes anything where anyone questions what drugs a pro takes or just questions a pro on anything, then he bans you or gives you the BI tag, on the board itself he can actually be pretty cool sometimes and is very laid back about some things.
don't they have a "chemical forum"? I've never been in that one but can you ask those questions there? Maybe he's just trying to keep that stuff away from the general public....again, I don't know, I'm just asking and trying to look at it logically.
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I had our photog send me a pic from the Olympia. Here I am at my 40% body fat (per the "guru" TA)! :P
(http://www.wannabebigforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22352&d=1161396560)
This was my 645 lbs raw pull.
The pic was taken by Josh Winsor of Hardcorepowerlifting, LLC.
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I had our photog send me a pic from the Olympia. Here I am at my 40% body fat (per the "guru" TA)! :P
(http://www.wannabebigforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22352&d=1161396560)
This was my 645 lbs raw pull.
The pic was taken by Josh Winsor of Hardcorepowerlifting, LLC.
Chris! Where did that guy's shoulders go?
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Hah, good stuff
Its never an attractive thing to have a pic of someone doing a heavy deadlift.
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That's very impressive, good for you. When in a meet do you go over/under? Wow, that weight would fall through most hands with a over grip.
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I had our photog send me a pic from the Olympia. Here I am at my 40% body fat (per the "guru" TA)! :P
(http://www.wannabebigforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22352&d=1161396560)
This was my 645 lbs raw pull.
The pic was taken by Josh Winsor of Hardcorepowerlifting, LLC.
I'm not a powerlifter, I worked out with one along time ago for a few days just to get the basics down so I have a question for you and it might be a dumb one, I just popped an ambien.....
How much of a DL is power and how much is technique? I firmly believe that if people took the time to learn technique they could do better at almost anysport. I had a hell ofan arm when I played baseball but couldn't pitch cause I didn't know a thing about technique....hell, last summer w/o picking up a baseball in probably 12 years I did one of those "what's your fastball" booths at a picnic and with no windup and no technique I can still hit 65mph on the first pitch. I wonder what I could have been throwing in High school if I would have taken the time to learn the mechanics. 11 years ago I was pulling 455 for reps at about 180. I'm betting I could have hit 500 pretty easily if I would have taken the time to learn the technique better.
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I'm not a powerlifter, I worked out with one along time ago for a few days just to get the basics down so I have a question for you and it might be a dumb one, I just popped an ambien.....
How much of a DL is power and how much is technique? I firmly believe that if people took the time to learn technique they could do better at almost anysport. I had a hell ofan arm when I played baseball but couldn't pitch cause I didn't know a thing about technique....hell, last summer w/o picking up a baseball in probably 12 years I did one of those "what's your fastball" booths at a picnic and with no windup and no technique I can still hit 65mph on the first pitch. I wonder what I could have been throwing in High school if I would have taken the time to learn the mechanics. 11 years ago I was pulling 455 for reps at about 180. I'm betting I could have hit 500 pretty easily if I would have taken the time to learn the technique better.
You are asking the right guy cause obviously he is not a big dude and probably uses 100% technique to lift that easy weight.
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That lift, like the others on this thread is very impressive. However, the most impressive thing about it to me is the grip....I would go ahead and say that most people in the gym can not do a 400 pound double over hand(no hook) grip.
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That lift, like the others on this thread is very impressive. However, the most impressive thing about it to me is the grip....I would go ahead and say that most people in the gym can not do a 400 pound double over hand(no hook) grip.
I think low reps people would probably be ok at a double. A 1-2 rep max grip strength will be a lot higher than what you are capable of for reps.
I get the straps out as soon as I hit 315. I know people would say that is counterproductive to grip strength but my grip is so far behind my ability to do the lift I can't be bothered wallowing in the depths of small poundages, waiting for something that may never happen (I don't believe my grip will ever parallel my lift potential).
That of course means that when I do deadlift 600 people will discredit the achievement but ah well.. nobody is that impressed with natural lifts except a small percentage of natural lifters themselves anyway.
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Chris,
I had you confused with another picture on here.
Sorry, I do apologize.
You are not 40 percent, but in the 20s.
My mistake.
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That lift, like the others on this thread is very impressive. However, the most impressive thing about it to me is the grip....I would go ahead and say that most people in the gym can not do a 400 pound double over hand(no hook) grip.
Yah, I always have used double overhand.
To me, it just feels better. Its like a groove.
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Yah, I always have used double overhand.
To me, it just feels better. Its like a groove.
Im the same. double overhand and I can really squeeze the lats together at the top of the movement this way.
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Steve has a great physique, i can honestly say i thought he had bigger arms and delts for weighing 260+lbs :-\
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Chris,
I had you confused with another picture on here.
Sorry, I do apologize.
You are not 40 percent, but in the 20s.
My mistake.
Right. 8)
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I'm not a powerlifter, I worked out with one along time ago for a few days just to get the basics down so I have a question for you and it might be a dumb one, I just popped an ambien.....
How much of a DL is power and how much is technique? I firmly believe that if people took the time to learn technique they could do better at almost anysport. I had a hell ofan arm when I played baseball but couldn't pitch cause I didn't know a thing about technique....hell, last summer w/o picking up a baseball in probably 12 years I did one of those "what's your fastball" booths at a picnic and with no windup and no technique I can still hit 65mph on the first pitch. I wonder what I could have been throwing in High school if I would have taken the time to learn the mechanics. 11 years ago I was pulling 455 for reps at about 180. I'm betting I could have hit 500 pretty easily if I would have taken the time to learn the technique better.
The deadlift is one of the least skill driven lifts. Every lift requires neural acclimation to optimize your ability but the deadlift is definitely low on the skill scale especially when compared to something like a snatch.
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The deadlift is one of the least skill driven lifts. Every lift requires neural acclimation to optimize your ability but the deadlift is definitely low on the skill scale especially when compared to something like a snatch.
mmm.... snatch.... ;D
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The deadlift is one of the least skill driven lifts. Every lift requires neural acclimation to optimize your ability but the deadlift is definitely low on the skill scale especially when compared to something like a snatch.
I'm sure there's little tips that can make a deadlift "easier" to do. I'm gonna work some deads into my workout as long as my back holds out, I've got alot of lower back "issues".
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I'm sure there's little tips that can make a deadlift "easier" to do. I'm gonna work some deads into my workout as long as my back holds out, I've got alot of lower back "issues".
there are a few techniques like sitting back, keeping your hips low and driving with your heals but for the most part it's pure strength.
that is why i love the deadlift so much...raw power
Chris is extremely strong for a lifetime "natural", remember that...that is why i respect what he says.
i use an over under grip for anything under 3 reps and in competitions...i feel more powerful this way. the hook grip with over 600 pounds "without" straps is truely amazing, i won't try it for a while until i feel comfortable. you won't see anyone use a hook grip in a competition...i haven't.
Rocket - if you want a strong grip you need to ditch the straps. i used straps for years until i finally ditched them. it took me about a year to get my hand strength up to par with my deadlift weight. your hands will catch up if you force them to.
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i use an over under grip for anything under 3 reps and in competitions...i feel more powerful this way. the hook grip with over 600 pounds "without" straps is truely amazing, i won't try it for a while until i feel comfortable. you won't see anyone use a hook grip in a competition...i haven't.
Olympic lifter mark henry told me he loves the hook grip and used it to clean 500 something. Obviously that's Olympic lifting and not powerlifting.
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Olympic lifter mark henry told me he loves the hook grip and used it to clean 500 something. Obviously that's Olympic lifting and not powerlifting.
Exactly...you have to use a double over hand for cleans.
when olympic guys train they use a hook grip because there is no reason to use a over/under.
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there are a few techniques like sitting back, keeping your hips low and driving with your heals but for the most part it's pure strength.
that is why i love the deadlift so much...raw power
Chris is extremely strong for a lifetime "natural", remember that...that is why i respect what he says.
i use an over under grip for anything under 3 reps and in competitions...i feel more powerful this way. the hook grip with over 600 pounds "without" straps is truely amazing, i won't try it for a while until i feel comfortable. you won't see anyone use a hook grip in a competition...i haven't.
Rocket - if you want a strong grip you need to ditch the straps. i used straps for years until i finally ditched them. it took me about a year to get my hand strength up to par with my deadlift weight. your hands will catch up if you force them to.
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Actually, one of the Gillingham brothers, Brad I think (I get them confused sometimes), has pulled over 800 lbs using a hook grip. There are a few others as well.
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Chris....all that weight makes you look like 5'5"....how tall are you?
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there are a few techniques like sitting back, keeping your hips low and driving with your heals but for the most part it's pure strength.
that is why i love the deadlift so much...raw power
Chris is extremely strong for a lifetime "natural", remember that...that is why i respect what he says.
i use an over under grip for anything under 3 reps and in competitions...i feel more powerful this way. the hook grip with over 600 pounds "without" straps is truely amazing, i won't try it for a while until i feel comfortable. you won't see anyone use a hook grip in a competition...i haven't.
Rocket - if you want a strong grip you need to ditch the straps. i used straps for years until i finally ditched them. it took me about a year to get my hand strength up to par with my deadlift weight. your hands will catch up if you force them to.
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Oh, and thank you. In truth I dabbled just a touch (a VERY little) when I was 20 or so. That was a LONG time ago and very little.
Chris
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Actually, one of the Gillingham brothers, Brad I think (I get them confused sometimes), has pulled over 800 lbs using a hook grip. There are a few others as well.
Impressive!
a "few" others i'm sure...
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Chris,
You are not 40 percent, but in the 20s.
And half of that is body hair!
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Is there a chance to damage the thumb with a hook grip? I want to start using it but it didn't feel good in the least @ 315 when I tried it. I don't mind the pain but I don't want to tear off the thumb or do nerv damage LOL
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Is there a chance to damage the thumb with a hook grip? I want to start using it but it didn't feel good in the least @ 315 when I tried it. I don't mind the pain but I don't want to tear off the thumb or do nerv damage LOL
just go over/under it's a lot safer and you can handle more weight, don't believe this bullshit about uneven development that's a myth.
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Chris....all that weight makes you look like 5'5"....how tall are you?
5'11.5"
I know what you mean. I think it compressed my spine quite a bit! ;D
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5'11.5"
I know what you mean. I think it compressed my spine quite a bit! ;D
Seriously...I was exaggerating...but you look a lot shorter than 5'11.5" in that particular photo.
I remember years ago reading an article of this janitor/powerlifter & they would do x-rays when he performed a dead lift. The curvature of his spine looked like a damn question mark & he was like an inch shorter.
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Rocket - if you want a strong grip you need to ditch the straps. i used straps for years until i finally ditched them. it took me about a year to get my hand strength up to par with my deadlift weight. your hands will catch up if you force them to.
Hmm.. thought provoking. I will definitely look at getting my hand strength in order when I feel that my deadlift cannot go much further. Until I reach a sufficient poundage in terms of lifting I won't do anything about it.
But I admit, it is low priority.
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just go over/under it's a lot safer and you can handle more weight, don't believe this bullshit about uneven development that's a myth.
I wish I could. Already partially torn both biceps.
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Steve will be the first to tell you that his form wasn't perfect on that first rep. We're just videoing some of our lifts because we had been asked to by various people over the last few years.
Neither of us are powerlifters, and neither of us claim that we would even do well in powerlifting.
I just like lifting. I make no claims to be the best at anything, and I don't believe Steve does either.
As far as form....I don't get too worked up about form like I used to. I've studied all that. I have a degree in Kinesiology, I've worked in Cardiac Rehab, Stress testing, Athletic Training, Personal training, etc.
I've had orthopedic assesment, Biomechanics, molecular aspects of muscle physiology, etc. So, I know what good form is, and what isn't. (or at least what those books and teachers told me about it..)
As far as form.....I've seen many people critique benedict magnusson and Andy Bolton's form at various times.....My feeling is, they're the two strongest deadlifters past or present (and since Benedict is so damn young, future for some time too), so whatever form they're using is probably right.
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Trop: how come you and steve are staying very lean this offseason, (as seen in the pics DC posted), whereas last offseason he was very... well... not lean.
Are you trying out a different off season strategy, or just cuttin down on the pizza and cheesecake?
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Trop: how come you and steve are staying very lean this offseason, (as seen in the pics DC posted), whereas last offseason he was very... well... not lean.
Are you trying out a different off season strategy, or just cuttin down on the pizza and cheesecake?
I always like to stay fairly lean in the offseason. I don't try to stay contest shape, but I do like to look like a bodybuilder. Last year, I only lost about 10lbs during my contest prep, so I did stay fairly lean.
With Steve, we knew he had to move up a weight class at his height, as heayweight wasn't going to cut it at the national level. We actually thought he wasn't going to compete for more than a year, so he enjoyed himself a little more, and ate more than he would usually do.
As I've said before, Steve is insanely dedicated. He brings pre-cooked food everywhere. He can get a little too dedicated IMO, so from time to time I try to tell him to let himself be a kid. So, that was part of the reason too. He enjoyed some of the foods he wouldn't usually enjoy last year. But, being Steve, I still ate his normal food too....so the extra stuff was on top of his normal intake.
It worked for him, as he got up to around 280 or more, and stayed at 270lbs most of the year. He competed at around 240lb, so he lost about 30lbs during his prep.
He's a legit super heavy now, so he's staying a bit leaner now. This way, his prep for his next show won't be about how long it takes to lose the fat, but about how much time he'll need to "dial it in."
He will be able to get in shape in much less time. He'll still "diet" for as long, but, it won't just be about fat loss. We'll get to focus more on finding the look that is best for him.
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But, being Steve, I still ate his normal food too....so the extra stuff was on top of his normal intake.
Shame on you for eating poor steve's food troponin! ;D
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Trop, are you saying that Steve got big while following the True Adonis diet?!!! 8)
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Trop, are you saying that Steve got big while following the True Adonis diet?!!! 8)
Great....I'm going to be misquoted forever now.
No, he still ate his normal food. But, if some friends wanted to go out to eat, he would occasionally enjoy himself. (as long as his normal food had been eaten)
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I have done 460 for 6 ass to floor.
6 reps? Hahaha. Ok.
I will bet $ 1000 that you cannot get even one repetition.
Not even with 440 lbs.
Post a video of you doing one rep with 440 lbs in the front squat ass to floor, and I will pay you $1000.
If you cannot post this, you pay me $1000.
YIP
Zack
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I want to see TA deadlift 225 for 113.
But he is feeling low lately because Jezzebelle dumped him. His training partner Jake dropped the bomb about this on the MD forums last week. Not sure how a blow-up doll can dump somebody, but anyway...
You are an idiot if you are going to keep spreading a lie.
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6 reps? Hahaha. Ok.
I will bet $ 1000 that you cannot get even one repetition.
Not even with 440 lbs.
Post a video of you doing one rep with 440 lbs in the front squat ass to floor, and I will pay you $1000.
If you cannot post this, you pay me $1000.
YIP
Zack
Back squat, not front. I didn`t bother to watch the videos so I figured them to be reguarl squats.
The most front I ever did was 315 for 5.
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I'm just joking around.
Dude, sorry to break it to you, but I almost burst out laughing multiple times reading the people rotting you on here lol. It's some very funny shit!!! It's all just people joking around anyway, so it doesn't mean anything.
Yah I know, my patience is wearing thin today. hahahah Sorry about that.
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Dude the jokes they were making about every day being Hallowe'en. LOL!! Shit, it could have been said about anyone and it would have been just as funny. There are some funny dudes on here.
Now you need to post a clip of the deadlift. Even 225 for 50 reps would be incredible. I've never bothered to go all out with that weight, but I don't think 30 would be out of the question. 113 - no chance. But then again, I never made that claim. I'm weary to inflate any of my claims on here because if I did, I'm sure that sooner or later I would be called on it.
You're never going to get 240 or Bust to post a clip of him doing 20 reps with 405 lbs.
Or a clip of him doing 5 reps with 495 lbs.
I will bet $1000 with 240 or Bust to repeat any of these feats on tape.
I have serious doubts he could even squat ONE rep with 405 lbs...
YIP
Zack
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My claim: 405 for six good, deep reps on a good day. I would need to be really into it and mentally ready for that because I HATE training legs, but I know I could do that on a good day, so I'm going to claim it right now. Who knows, I might even be able to get over that. One thing is for certain, I won't make a claim that I can't back up since I do have the means to get a clip of it online.
Ok tough guy ;D
How about this.
Post a video of you doing 10 good deep reps by the end of Mars.
Deal or No Deal?
YIP
Zack
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LOL!!
Unfortunately $1,000 via paypal won't pay for the therapy required to get over that. :-\ :-X
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No money man. Just something to get you motivated for leg training.
YIP
Zack
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Ok tough guy ;D
How about this.
Post a video of you doing 10 good deep reps by the end of Mars.
Deal or No Deal?
YIP
Zack
You know how it is, 240 goes to what he thinks is "parallel". If he dropped another 2 inches he'd have to lower the weight by at least 100lbs.