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Ben Weider on PBW! - Monday, October 23rd
IFBB President Agrees to Rare Public Interview
Replay is Ready at BodybuildingRadio.com (http://BodybuildingRadio.com)
For the past 60 years, he has served as the founding President of the IFBB.
On Monday, “Pro Bodybuilding Weekly” welcomed Ben Weider for a rare public interview. A former Nobel Prize nominee, Weider will discuss a wide range of topics, past and present.
For the first time, Weider will comment publicly on the departure of Demilia, the suspension of Priest, the sale of Weider Publications and a wide range of topics spanning his 60 years atop the IFBB.
In other news: PBW has announced a promotional relationship with the 2007 Arnold Fitness Weekend & Sports Festival. For more information, visit www.BodybuildingRadio.com (http://www.BodybuildingRadio.com)
Pro Bodybuilding Weekly is presented each week by MuscleTech and brought to you by Bodybuilding.com, the world’s #1 most visited bodybuilding website.
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What founder of any organization gives "rare" interviews? No wonder the IFBB is a joke. All they do is hide from the spotlight.
I guess it's good that they've pried him out of the steambath for a softball interview.
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It's all about the $$$$$ Money. ;D
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Excellent to see Ben Weider giving an interview for people to listen to. I had a chance to meet Ben Weider at the 2006 Olympia, and we talked about various issues. Very nice guy - and I was impressed. And yes, I got the book signed by all three of them who were there together, Joe & Betty Weider, and Ben Weider. It was cool.
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For the past 60 years, he has served as the founding President of the IFBB.
60?? How the hell old was he when he became president? Even if he was a kid in his 20's, he's pushing 90 years old now.
Ol' Ben is past his expiration date!
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Ben Weider on PBW!
IFBB President Agrees to Rare Public Interview
Monday, October 23rd – 8pm EST
For the past 60 years, he has served as the founding President of the IFBB.
On Monday, “Pro Bodybuilding Weekly” welcomes Ben Weider for a rare public interview. A former Nobel Prize nominee, Weider will discuss a wide range of topics, past and present.
For the first time, Weider will comment publicly on the departure of Demilia, the suspension of Priest, the sale of Weider Publications and a wide range of topics spanning his 60 years atop the IFBB.
In other news: PBW has announced a promotional relationship with the 2007 Arnold Fitness Weekend & Sports Festival. For more information, visit www.BodybuildingRadio.com (http://www.BodybuildingRadio.com)
Pro Bodybuilding Weekly is presented each week by MuscleTech and brought to you by Bodybuilding.com, the world’s #1 most visited bodybuilding website.
hip hip hooray.. ::)
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He's a "Nobel Prize nominee," hahahahahaha, what a joke. ::)
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Even if he was a kid in his 20's, he's pushing 90 years old now.
I think he is 83-84 years old.
He's a "Nobel Prize nominee,"
In 1984, Ben Weider was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his role as mediator with the leaders of the 172 member nations of the International Federation of Bodybuilding (IFBB). Weider was a unifying force for this assortment of countries, despite the political differences that separated some of them
You don't think they'll ask him any tough questions?
They should ask him about Wayne Demilia, Lee Priest, Weider Pubs, and other interesting questions. But should they ask him question attacking everything and everyone, no..... but lets see what he thinks on these first...
Don't judge someone you have never met or heard until you listen to him...
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I think he is 83-84 years old.
I can't believe he's wasting the last few years of his life worrying about useless crap like whether or not Lee Priest competes in the PDI or not. He obviously has a distorted sense of the relative importance of bodybuilding in the scheme of things.
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I bet this interview is gonna be good.
Whatever he says, it's gonna be news. I hope yall ask him some tough questions - especially on Priest, the gut mandate, and who is going to run things should Joe and ben ever grow bored.
Also - on the nobel prize, they don't release nominees' names for 50 years after nominations.
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Also - on the nobel prize, they don't release nominees' names for 50 years after nominations.
LOL.... pwned!
Between that and all the BS letters after his name, he's like a Canadian Vince Goodrum! ;D
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God, this show will illustrate what the term 'lapdog' means...watch the old m an play fetch with chick..here boy , here ya go.....fetch!!! hahahah
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Does the Getbig question of the week still apply?
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Don't judge someone you have never met or heard until you listen to him...
How about judging him on just his actions; being selective with his rules, making millions of athletes while giving the athletes either nothing or the top ten guys an insignificant percentage of that money-the guy is exploiting his athletes. I'll judge him on that, I dont need to meet him.
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Does the Getbig question of the week still apply?
Yea maybe they can ask is their a job waiting for Isaac. And not the kind he is used to giving ;D This is his first interview cause it took this long to write the script.
Ask him much in taxes he has paid in the U.S. even thought he makes his majority of dough from here. Ask him since he loves Bodybuilding so much and bodybuilders how the retirement fund and medical benefits coming along. Ask him how he feels about encouraging the use of steroids. Ask him why he is full of shit.
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Solomon has always made things turn out to be a good show, I suspect he will do the same with Mr. Weider but also hold respect for him too.
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Getbig Q of the week:
Q. Ben, what type of legacy do you wish to leave or what do you believe you as president of the IFBB will be remembered for when your reign as president is over?
Do you still hold hopes of BB being an Olympic sport? And if one day it is.. Do you think the importance/reverence of the professional Mr Olympia would be impacted?
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Dan Soloman & Bob
I have a good question, you can phrase it any respectful way you want, if you don't ask it, its because you are afraid of bringing up the issue, her it goes:
Joe, your company makes millions of dollars putting on shows, selling supplements, endorsements etc etc, why is it that your athletes make such small amounts (almost insignificant amount comparatively)? Is this not some kind of athlete exploitation? Because in the end its the athlete that makes you the money?
And please do not talk about the top 10-15 guys, talk about the majority who make nothing or even lose money.
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Q: This year's IFBB World Amateur Championships are being advertised as the 60th. That implies that there were 59 others. But there have only been 28 World Amateur Championships, every year since 1978. Prior to that there were 18 IFBB Universe events, from 1959 to 1977, excluding 1961. Ignoring that the early Universe contests were pro events, 18+28 is 46.
The first IFBB contest was the 1948 Mr Eastern North America. There was also an international contest in 1949, the Mr North America. In 1950, there was the Mr Eastern America. Then nothing until 1959.
So why is it called the 60th ?
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I'd like to see his scorecard from this year's O.
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I think he is 83-84 years old.
In 1984, Ben Weider was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his role as mediator with the leaders of the 172 member nations of the International Federation of Bodybuilding (IFBB). Weider was a unifying force for this assortment of countries, despite the political differences that separated some of them
They should ask him about Wayne Demilia, Lee Priest, Weider Pubs, and other interesting questions. But should they ask him question attacking everything and everyone, no..... but lets see what he thinks on these first...
Don't judge someone you have never met or heard until you listen to him...
HE WILL BE ON TO PLUG HIS BOOK......CAN I PHONE IN :)
BUT ASK HIM THESE........
1. ARE THEY INCOPORATED IN THE USA.
2. ABOUT ANTI TRUST LAWS.
3. IS THE IFBB PRO LEAGUE A BUISNESS IN CANADA?
4. HOW BEN DISTANCED HIMSELF FROM THE PRO LEAGUE TO LOOK GOOD FOR (WADDA) THE DRUG COMMITTEE FOR THE OLYMPICS.THAT'S WHY NO MENTION OF THE PRO STUFF IS ON THIER SITE.BUT BEN IS STILL WITH THE PRO LEAGUE WADDA WOULDN'T LIKE THAT.AND THE MONEY FROM THE PRO LEAGUE GOES IN SAME ACCOUNTAS THE AMUTURES.
5.IS THE IFBB TAX FREE IN CANADA AND NOT THE USA.
6.HOW NO TAX IS WITH HELD ON MONEY SENT TO IFBB IN CANADA FOR SANCTION FEES.MAN THIS WILL GET ALOT OF PROMOTERS IN TROUBLE(FEDERAL TROUBLE)SENDING MONEY TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND NOT WITHHOLDING TAX.WHO WILL PURGER THEMSELVES FOR THE IFBB?
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HE WILL BE ON TO PLUG HIS BOOK......CAN I PHONE IN :)
BUT ASK HIM THESE........
1. ARE THEY INCOPORATED IN THE USA.
2. ABOUT ANTI TRUST LAWS.
3. IS THE IFBB PRO LEAGUE A BUISNESS IN CANADA?
4. HOW BEN DISTANCED HIMSELF FROM THE PRO LEAGUE TO LOOK GOOD FOR (WADDA) THE DRUG COMMITTEE FOR THE OLYMPICS.THAT'S WHY NO MENTION OF THE PRO STUFF IS ON THIER SITE.BUT BEN IS STILL WITH THE PRO LEAGUE WADDA WOULDN'T LIKE THAT.AND THE MONEY FROM THE PRO LEAGUE GOES IN SAME ACCOUNTAS THE AMUTURES.
5.IS THE IFBB TAX FREE IN CANADA AND NOT THE USA.
6.HOW NO TAX IS WITH HELD ON MONEY SENT TO IFBB IN CANADA FOR SANCTION FEES.MAN THIS WILL GET ALOT OF PROMOTERS IN TROUBLE(FEDERAL TROUBLE)SENDING MONEY TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND NOT WITHHOLDING TAX.WHO WILL PURGER THEMSELVES FOR THE IFBB?
You had a golden opportunity to ask him all these questions YOURSELF..right in his office, face to face...Mano-e-tattooed Mano
You instead opted to not attend your hearing...WHY?
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You had a golden opportunity to ask him all these questions YOURSELF..right in his office, face to face...Mano-e-tattooed Mano
You instead opted to not attend your hearing...WHY?
Why go somewhere where your not even wanted?
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Couldn't agree more...
Why would one WANT to compete for an organization that you hate?
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Valid point Bob. I dont like how lees joined the PDI myself. I think its all bullshit that show was ridiculous it was like watching the fourth callout at the ironman. The prestigous events are all in the IFBB. I'd like to see Lee on the ifbb stage more but thats all over for him. The IFBB is what made the industry. and to go elsewhere doesnt seem like a good choice. Anyways idf like to see Lee do well anywehre he goes. i just wish he'd be with the ifbb. even though i dont agree with the politics oh well.
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You had a golden opportunity to ask him all these questions YOURSELF..right in his office, face to face...Mano-e-tattooed Mano
You instead opted to not attend your hearing...WHY?
They don't have KFC in Canada?
I don't know...maybe thats a stretch.
;)
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Ask Ben if he is still going to pay me $10 for every PDI bashing post I make
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Couldn't agree more...
Why would one WANT to compete for an organization that you hate?
Simple, to make money, ask 99% of the popluation if they hate their jobs but why they still go, some people are just not fortunate enough to do something they love with thier lives.
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Interesting interview it should be.
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You had a golden opportunity to ask him all these questions YOURSELF..right in his office, face to face...Mano-e-tattooed Mano
You instead opted to not attend your hearing...WHY?
Did they offer Lee an option to attend the hearing by teleconference? And if they demanded he attend, in Canada, did they give him hotel and airfare?
The idea of giving him a few weeks' notice to travel to Canada to dispute things (a week before the English Pro) is unrealistic. In real life, if the NBA has a problem with Shaq throwing an elbow at another player on the court, they call him after the game or send a rep to speak to him about the matter. They don't make him fly from Miami to NY to sit down at NBA headquarters when he has a playoff game the next day.
Bob, I'm starting to give you credit here. Don't lose your credibility be defending such an unrealistic travel demand on short notice during competitive season.
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Did they offer Lee an option to attend the hearing by teleconference? And if they demanded he attend, in Canada, did they give him hotel and airfare?
The idea of giving him a few weeks' notice to travel to Canada to dispute things (a week before the English Pro) is unrealistic. In real life, if the NBA has a problem with Shaq throwing an elbow at another player on the court, they call him after the game or send a rep to speak to him about the matter. They don't make him fly from Miami to NY to sit down at NBA headquarters when he has a playoff game the next day.
Bob, I'm starting to give you credit here. Don't lose your credibility be defending such an unrealistic travel demand on short notice during competitive season.
First of all, he's hadd nearly a month to get any travel plans together...
Secondly, why on God's green earth would the IFBB foot the bill so Lee could answer to why HE decided to compete in a rival federation? Does the court pay for you to fight a traffic ticket, or a trial?
Third, do you really think the IFBB is going to give a shit about a rival fedeation's show, when the very reason for the hearing is that very infraction..?
Come on now...If it was near and dear to Lee's heart to remain with the IFBB, he would have had no problem attending a hearing deciding his fate...he clearly does not, and has stated so on several occasions.
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Sign an IFBB Pro contract to compete and get an injury and live in another country like Japan and you have to fly to the states to see an IFBB doctor to get the OK to break competing contract.Seems a little Stupid and cost a heap.Take the 5k fine it's cheaper than the doctor and travel costs. ::)
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Sign an IFBB Pro contract to compete and get an injury and live in another country like Japan and you have to fly to the states to see an IFBB doctor to get the OK to break competing contract.Seems a little Stupid and cost a heap.Take the 5k fine it's cheaper than the doctor and travel costs. ::)
No one has had to go to that extreme since Jim Manion took over...anyone who wanted to get out of a contract merely had to pick up the phone.
Those were the old Wayne days....out with the old, in with the new.
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Nice work Chick.Thank God for the new days.
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First of all, he's hadd nearly a month to get any travel plans together...
Secondly, why on God's green earth would the IFBB foot the bill so Lee could answer to why HE decided to compete in a rival federation? Does the court pay for you to fight a traffic ticket, or a trial?
Third, do you really think the IFBB is going to give a shit about a rival fedeation's show, when the very reason for the hearing is that very infraction..?
Come on now...If it was near and dear to Lee's heart to remain with the IFBB, he would have had no problem attending a hearing deciding his fate...he clearly does not, and has stated so on several occasions.
Does the IFBB routinely require athletes to fly to Canada to deal with disciplinary matters, or was Lee the first? Did the WBF guys have to go to Canada? Was it in Lee's contract that he would have to travel to another country to dispute a suspension?
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Does the IFBB routinely require athletes to fly to Canada to deal with disciplinary matters, or was Lee the first? Did the WBF guys have to go to Canada? Was it in Lee's contract that he would have to travel to another country to dispute a suspension?
No, the IFBB only requires you personally show up when you've been suspended indefinately...other minor offences do not require a hearing.
Don't know about the WBF guys, or what the rules were back in the early 90's, as they may/ maynot have changed.
Yes, it is in the rules...
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Yes, it is in the rules...
What year did that rule become that rule? Was it a spring change coinciding with the PDI's birth? Or was this a longstanding thing?
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No one has had to go to that extreme since Jim Manion took over...
Has Manion ever gotten over the flu? I notice he still hasn't been able to pick up the phone for half an hour to be on your show.
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Question for Weider: "did you pay the authorities in Las Vegas to time their announcement of the new arrest in the Titus case so as to coincide with the British PDI, and if so how much?"
;D
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What year did that rule become that rule? Was it a spring change coinciding with the PDI's birth? Or was this a longstanding thing?
It's been in the rules long before the PDI was even a thought...ironically, I'm sure it was Wayne who wrote many of the rules, with Ben...
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Will the WEIDER interview be broadcast live?
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I guess its NOT live?
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Dave, what you weighing these days?
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Dave, what you weighing these days?
Monster swayback. Back in the day you used to hit the hosts hard with giving an answer and now... ???
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First of all, he's hadd nearly a month to get any travel plans together...
Secondly, why on God's green earth would the IFBB foot the bill so Lee could answer to why HE decided to compete in a rival federation? Does the court pay for you to fight a traffic ticket, or a trial?
Third, do you really think the IFBB is going to give a shit about a rival fedeation's show, when the very reason for the hearing is that very infraction..?
Come on now...If it was near and dear to Lee's heart to remain with the IFBB, he would have had no problem attending a hearing deciding his fate...he clearly does not, and has stated so on several occasions.
Ok, so you're the IFBB's athlete liaison now - thanks for clearing that up.
The IFBB's position on this issue is so indefensible that any attempt to do so is nothing short of laughable.
Regardless of what Lee decides to do, just call a crock a crock and everyone will be better off.
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Monster swayback. Back in the day you used to hit the hosts hard with giving an answer and now... ???
LOL... I beat up on Bob for the taped Canseco interview, but I'd prob not mind in the case of ben (have they said either way?) ... live radio might be fun/unpredictable, and that's always interesting... but I'm guessing pre-taped, as he's a high profile guest and his hearing ability is reputed to be pretty poor. So if not pre-taped, hopefully they'll do a warmup.
What does matter is, what they ask him. Titus, DeMilia, Priest and his suspension, yaada yada. And, will he answer?
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LOL... I beat up on Bob for the taped Canseco interview, but I'd prob not mind in the case of ben (have they said either way?) ... live radio might be fun/unpredictable, and that's always interesting... but I'm guessing pre-taped, as he's a high profile guest and his hearing ability is reputed to be pretty poor. So if not pre-taped, hopefully they'll do a warmup.
What does matter is, what they ask him. Titus, DeMilia, Priest and his suspension, yaada yada. And, will he answer?
Just how did you "beat up on me" for the Canseco interview?...I had nothing to do with it, nor was I in it...I was on an airplane when Dan did the interview.
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Just how did you "beat up on me" for the Canseco interview?...I had nothing to do with it, nor was I in it...I was on an airplane when Dan did the interview.
I was raggin on you about it not being live, you called me a fool, our usual banter.
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So I guess it's not live?
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So I guess it's not live?
Hey Dave,
How bout fixing the problem with uploading podcast of Muscle radio?
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Is Mr. Weider aware of the alleged PBW curse? Has he been informed that Craig Titus, Kelly Ryan, King Kamali, Dennis James, Ronnie Coleman, and Chris Cormier have all suffered from extreme bad luck after appearing on this internet version of the Hope diamond?
Is he aware that he is tempting fate? Better start wearing a sweater, Mr. Weider.
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King Kamali
Kamali had terminal Palumboism long before appearing on PBBW.
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Ben sounds like the grandpa on "Silver Spoons".
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You had a golden opportunity to ask him all these questions YOURSELF..right in his office, face to face...Mano-e-tattooed Mano
You instead opted to not attend your hearing...WHY?
I'd like to hear that question answered also . . . Lee why did you not ask him yourself?
The Beef
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I could not listen to the replay past the 40 min mark. i shut down and tried again but nothing. anyone else have a problem with it?
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what a crap interview, Dan you did a reasonable job, but the monster hypocrasy by Ben Weider was too much.. He sounds like a modern day Napoleon.."Rules are Rules" - shame they don't want to help out others who will rarely qualify for the O or be in the top six at the ASC by allowing them to make money in other federations...
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Rules are rules. But sometimes due to circumstances (like a thing called the internet being born resulting in masses of fans demanding something other than refrigerator framed champs) requires adaptation.
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Rules are rules. But sometimes due to circumstances (like a thing called the internet being born resulting in masses of fans demanding something other than refrigerator framed champs) requires adaptation.
Yeah...masses of fans. All 20 of you crying "conspiracy".
Maybe the 7,000 that were standing on their feet was more of a indication of how the "masses" felt...
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IT was comical with Ben was the pie in the sky dreams about being an Olympic sport.. HA.
The assertions that the amateur BB'ers were compliant with WADA anti doping guidelines was a blatant lie. If the IFBB or NPC had the resources or the balls to test all amateur BB'ers in the upcoming Nationals there would be no one left on stage to claim the prizes. :-[
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IT was comical with Ben was the pie in the sky dreams about being an Olympic sport.. HA.
The assertions that the amateur BB'ers were compliant with WADA anti doping guidelines was a blatant lie. If the IFBB or NPC had the resources or the balls to test all amateur BB'ers in the upcoming Nationals there would be no one left on stage to claim the prizes. :-[
Whether or not they test the NPC amateurs or the IFBB is irrelevant to the Olympic cause. What IS relevant is that they do test the IFBB AMATEURS that compete in the world championships, and they have complied with all testing as per the IOC rules....
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Whether or not they test the NPC amateurs or the IFBB is irrelevant to the Olympic cause. What IS relevant is that they do test the IFBB AMATEURS that compete in the world championships, and they have complied with all testing as per the IOC rules....
How did I know that you'd think that testing the NPC amateurs as irrelevant? -that's right, double standards are acceptable in the IFBB. ;D
That only means that the majority of the select competitors are smart enough to beat the drug tests ;)
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How did I know that you'd think that testing the NPC amateurs as irrelevant? -that's right, double standards are acceptable in the IFBB. ;D
That only means that the majority of the select competitors are smart enough to beat the drug tests ;)
Maybe you thought that because it IS irrelevant...
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Maybe you thought that because it IS irrelevant...
To get to the Olympics, BB needs credibility and have attained a level of transperency where honest attempts to rid the "sport" of drugs needs to be seen to be done, not testing select participants (team Universe ::) ) as you know they have done their homework to get clean.
Unfortunately, BB will never be sufficiently recognised and the joke will continue, remember as you guys broadcasted this IFBB is "their (a Weider) business" and as such any business owner would protect their investment/interests.
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Yeah...masses of fans. All 20 of you crying "conspiracy".
Were there "all 20 of you" at the NOC? Or was there 1400 people who enjoyed the show?
Very odd that you'd downplay demand for pro bodybuilder appearances.
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Were there "all 20 of you" at the NOC? Or was there 1400 people who enjoyed the show?
Very odd that you'd downplay demand for pro bodybuilder appearances.
well, there sure as shit weren't 1400 people at the NOC...and about 200 at the British show from what I'm told.
Who is the demand by, exactly?
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well, there sure as shit weren't 1400 people at the NOC...and about 200 at the British show from what I'm told.
Who is the demand by, exactly?
Chic honey, ask the ticket booth how many people had tickets 1375. So you are right there wasn't 1400. How come there were less than 300 at the night show in Atlantic City. The almighty IFBB is so big they pack the house with 300 people. How many people were at the piece of shit New York Pro. Did they even pack the 500 seat place. And who are you getting your info from, Vince. Are you and Vince G. talking to each other everyday now. Your resources need to be updated. Give it up already. You failed, the IFBB failed, Manion failed, Weider failed, all the IFBB nuthuggers failed to stop the PDI. The PDI shows pay out more prize money than 80% of the IFBB shows. Nice organization. 40+ years old and they are still in the minor leagues. If it wasn't for the Olympia and the ASC, the IFBB would be an even bigger laughing stock. Hey look at it this way, next year and the year after being the IFBB rep will be easier since there won't be as many members. They better start handing out more cards next year. Pretty nice how the 8 time Mr. Olympia is forced to cmpete in the Grand Prix to take home a massive paycheck of $4,000. The IFBB sure does take care of their own. I hope to god you are at least begging them to let you win the Mr. Olympia one time.
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well, there sure as shit weren't 1400 people at the NOC...and about 200 at the British show from what I'm told.
How many people were at the NOC?
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It is interesting how Ben Weider believes he actually has the sole rights to conduct a sport he didn't invent. Does he hold the copyright for bodybuilding or something?
why not just come out and say... "we don't want people making money for others in other federations even though we don't pay any salaries."
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Chic honey, ask the ticket booth how many people had tickets 1375. So you are right there wasn't 1400. How come there were less than 300 at the night show in Atlantic City. The almighty IFBB is so big they pack the house with 300 people. How many people were at the piece of shit New York Pro. Did they even pack the 500 seat place. And who are you getting your info from, Vince. Are you and Vince G. talking to each other everyday now. Your resources need to be updated. Give it up already. You failed, the IFBB failed, Manion failed, Weider failed, all the IFBB nuthuggers failed to stop the PDI. The PDI shows pay out more prize money than 80% of the IFBB shows. Nice organization. 40+ years old and they are still in the minor leagues. If it wasn't for the Olympia and the ASC, the IFBB would be an even bigger laughing stock. Hey look at it this way, next year and the year after being the IFBB rep will be easier since there won't be as many members. They better start handing out more cards next year. Pretty nice how the 8 time Mr. Olympia is forced to cmpete in the Grand Prix to take home a massive paycheck of $4,000. The IFBB sure does take care of their own. I hope to god you are at least begging them to let you win the Mr. Olympia one time.
You'll believe anything that comes out of Wayne's mouth, wont you?
Lets go way out on a limb and actually believe there were close to 1400 people there...are we taking into account that the MAJORITY of those tickets were given away for free? They were aactually standing on the corner, giving them away...and lets not forget the Hari's that were also comped tickets to see their buddy Sri Chimnoy lift 1,000 pounds a whopping 1/16th of an inch..
I wouldn't start patting yourself on the back to soon, Keith...the money well is looking to go dry very soon if there aren't any major sponsors coming on board. Before the NOC, you said there were some "big name sponsors" coming on board..well see! Then there were supposed to be some "big surprizes coming our way..", then some "big names making the jump...we'll be shocked!!
Still waiting, big man....
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I actually had got a free ticket to the NOC the night of finals i stopped by. I walked in and saw somedude in a costume on stage. Looked around for a little bit, see if i recognized any people and then left within 30 minutes. It was actually my first BB show... but i wouldnt even call it that.
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well, there sure as shit weren't 1400 people at the NOC...
Lets go way out on a limb and actually believe there were close to 1400 people there...
So, which is it?
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So, which is it?
It's exactly what I said it was...nowhere near 1400...which makes it even worse that the numbers that WERE there, were mostly freebies.
BTW- Here's a review of the PDI British show, from someone who was there...more hard numbers for you...
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PDI's British Night of Champions
I attended this event last night and this is my review of the event and the PDI in general.
Ticket Price: £50, $110!!!! There were about 100 people there in total, maybe 150...
Ok the show started off with some amatures competing to join in and win a spot in the night of champions show in the evening.
The night of champions show had all the same people in it from the NYC show. So we already knew who was going to win. It was not like a bodybuilding show it was more like Lee Priest and his bandwagon of rebel bodybuilders.
There was then a seminar after the amature bit where the owner of the PDI talked for absolute ages about absolute fantasy, the only good point he made was that his athletes were going to get excellent medical checkups but he also at the same time was saying he is going to introduce drug testing... he made no sence and contradicted himself. He talked about how bodybuilders in round 3 will now be judged on their posing routine and if they have a good routine be able to over take someone with a better physique than them and how important the entertainment value of a routine was...
Anyway after this the 15 finalists came on. Same dudes from NYC. They all did
their posing pre judging round 1 and 2.
Then comes round 3 the entertainment round of creative routines... OH MY GOD. They were CRRRAP!! They were the worst routines i have ever seen. It was like the athletes had picked a song they liked and just posed to it out of time and everything! Lee did his superman bit.
So then comes the winners... wonder whos won? Oh look lee priest... Suprise Suprise!!! I dont quite understand where this organisation is going. It seems to me it just travels around and gives lee all the first place awards (im not saying he didn't deserve it because he did, he looked awsome) i just dont really get what their doing...
After everyone moved into a bar nextdoor to the theatre and one of lee's companions was in there getting out the photos and DVD's to sign. Lee walks in and it apears to get his friend to pack the DVD's back up he then goes outside and starts calling for a cab. Not signing nothing or even saying hello to the fans. Maybe because there were not that many people in there but still... people paid to come get autographs and stuff it even says autograph session on the flyers...
Overal, a peice of crap company and an awful show. This is going to sink very very fast!
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It's exactly what I said it was...nowhere near 1400...which makes it even worse that the numbers that WERE there, were mostly freebies.
Initially you posted on getbig that you heard there were 100 people there.
You have repeatedly said "nowhere near 1400".
Can you give us your estimate of number of butts in chairs at the NY NOC?
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Yeah...100 people at the pre-judging.
Do try and keep up....
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Yeah...100 people at the pre-judging.
Do try and keep up....
Bob, you've said there was nowhere near 1400 people at the NOC.
I'm asking you, how many people were there?
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Bob, you've said there was nowhere near 1400 people at the NOC.
I'm asking you, how many people were there?
As you know, I wasn't there...from all accounts of people that were, closer to 750.
With 500+ tickets comped...we'll never know how many people actually paid.
You tell me, 240..how many people were there, and how many paid??
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As you know, I wasn't there...from all accounts of people that were, closer to 750.
With 500+ tickets comped...we'll never know how many people actually paid.
You tell me, 240..how many people were there, and how many paid??
I don't know.
But since *you're* the one making the comments about the show attendance, the onus of responsibility to support your statement lies on you.
Not busting your balls, just asking you to verify your numbers. If the hall held 1500, and you tell us there were 750, that means the place was half-full for finals.
Are you saying the theater was only half-full for finals?
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Thats whats been told to me...
If you have any pics to prove otherwise, feel free to post them...
Seems to be a problem with people associated with the PDI, with having pictures to support what they claim... ;D
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LOL
Maybe if you both ask Santa, he will bring each of you a new toy car and you can stop fighting all the time.
What would you two do without each other?
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Thats whats been told to me...
If you have any pics to prove otherwise, feel free to post them...
Seems to be a problem with people associated with the PDI, with having pictures to support what they claim... ;D
well i was there and you have no idea way off big time.But keep up the good work sherlock
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Seems to be a problem with people associated with the PDI, with having pictures to support what they claim... ;D
Onlyme claims he is trimming down... ;D
Rhino claims to use natural diuretics. ;D
[ Q ] Do you do any last week things to get into contest shape?
No, I don't believe in that. I never understood why bodybuilders would do something that works for 14 weeks and get into great shape, only to do something completely different the last week before the show. Obviously I do dry out the last few days. This year the PDI will have drug testing, so there won't be any diuretics or anything like that. So what I will probably do is increase my water for three or four days as this is a natural diuretic and then the day before the show I will cut my water - that's all.
Insider XYZ announced the first PDI Qualifier... ;D
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http://www.xtreme-usa.com/orlando/prodivision.htm
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Everything the PDItes state MUST be true bobarino. Congratulations on your World Championship...
;D
But wait... Didn't PBW claim that Ben would be on the show back in July? ??? What took so long to get him on?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=80948.msg1154302#msg1154302
Enjoy your dish... ;D
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Seems to be a problem with people associated with the PDI, with having pictures to support what they claim... ;D
You made a claim there were 750 people there. Where are your pictures?
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Bob
Do you actually think that if Jay didnt win, 7000 people wouldnt be standing and cheering for any other guy that beat Ronnie, and when I mean other guy, I mean a guy thats not a fridge.
Second, for a guy that wants to do their best for bodybuilding, you have a tendency to put other organizations down that support the same support you do. Good Job
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Don't forget about the Desert Mirage PDI qualifier in Vegas. The great show that never was.
but it did provide on of the best jokes for kmphoto ;D
I spent days in Vegas playing "Hunt the Show".
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IT was comical with Ben was the pie in the sky dreams about being an Olympic sport.. HA.
The assertions that the amateur BB'ers were compliant with WADA anti doping guidelines was a blatant lie. If the IFBB or NPC had the resources or the balls to test all amateur BB'ers in the upcoming Nationals there would be no one left on stage to claim the prizes. :-[
whatever happened for the quest of bodybuilding being an "Olympic Sport" one day ??? answers anybody?
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I could not listen to the replay past the 40 min mark. i shut down and tried again but nothing. anyone else have a problem with it?
That shit happens to me on every show. I might get 12 min, 10 min, the last one cuts out at the 3 min mark. I get a prompt that tells me to open up a new file . . . i do and nothing get better. I also can't use the iPod down load.
The Beef is Missing out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That shit happens to me on every show. I might get 12 min, 10 min, the last one cuts out at the 3 min mark. I get a prompt that tells me to open up a new file . . . i do and nothing get better. I also can't use the iPod down load.
The Beef is Missing out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quit being el cheapo and get a better computer.
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The computer is new . . . I guess it might be my dial up conection.
The Beef
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The computer is new . . . I guess it might be my dial up conection.
The Beef
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Well - always interesting when tangents come to a thread. I enjoyed the Ben Weider interview, whether it was taped or not, still it was nice to see the leader and one of the founders of the IFBB agree to an interview with bodybuilding fans to listen too, whether you agree with him or not. Regardless of what you think, we can all admit than Ben & Joe have done in increasing the awareness of bodybuilding, and have made a federations that is in over 150 countries.
Dan did a good job in asking various questions that we wanted to hear, while not disrespecting Ben.
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Well - always interesting when tangents come to a thread. I enjoyed the Ben Weider interview, whether it was taped or not, still it was nice to see the leader and one of the founders of the IFBB agree to an interview with bodybuilding fans to listen too, whether you agree with him or not. Regardless of what you think, we can all admit than Ben & Joe have done in increasing the awareness of bodybuilding, and have made a federations that is in over 150 countries.
Dan did a good job in asking various questions that we wanted to hear, while not disrespecting Ben.
The sad part was how Ben actually believed he pretty much "owned" the sport of bodybuilding as if he invented and patented it...
He is a smart cookie though... business is business and personal feelings/relationships have ZERO to do with it.
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Does anyone know who wrote the script for this show. Gotta give Weider credit he can read rather well. How dumb Chic must feel when he gets put in his place by people telling him the real numbers that go to the PDI shows and the numbers he makes up. He has to feel a little let down. Anyway call the place and check it out Chic. Did you answer why less than 300 people were at the Atlantic City show (night). Now that is embarassing. You can scratch that show for next year. How come the Grand Prix or Olympia dates aren't one the IFBB website for next year. I know why. WHo is going to promote the Olympia next year since AMI won't be involved. You guys have Sean ready and primed. Whoever decides to do it better get there wallet ready. If Time Warner buys Flex and M&F advertising is going to hit em hard. And don't forget the $300,000+ they're going to want for the sanction fee. Very interesting things will happen once the mags sell. Not much power with the IFBB since they won't control the magazines. Sponsors will be more available for sponorships, since the IFBB, Manion and Weiders can't threaten them anymore. Come January or February it will get interesting. Can't wait. Got 9 PDI shows next already booked. Maybe one more and possibly 2. Gotta love it.
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"put in my place?"
By WHO??
So far there have been no numbers substantiated by anyone on the PDI side...not 1 picture to provide, seems to be a pattern.
500-750 freebies isn't my idea of a successful turnout, and very indicative of the interest level....poor.
Lets see if the PDI can last a second year without major sponsor dollars, or fans willing to watch Lee compete against amateurs dressed up like it's halloween...
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Lets see if the PDI can last a second year without major sponsor dollars, or fans willing to watch Lee compete against amateurs dressed up like it's halloween...
Whose side are you on?
It put a lot of money into athletes' pockets. Sure, it might not come next year. But that is a hypothetical. A lot of things might or might not happen next year. BBing is an unsure sport, and shows don't materialize in BOTH federations, right?
Tens of thousands of dollars are flowing into athletes pockets. Smile :)
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"put in my place?"
By WHO??
So far there have been no numbers substantiated by anyone on the PDI side...not 1 picture to provide, seems to be a pattern.
500-750 freebies isn't my idea of a successful turnout, and very indicative of the interest level....poor.
Lets see if the PDI can last a second year without major sponsor dollars, or fans willing to watch Lee compete against amateurs dressed up like it's halloween...
Chic why oh why to do keep lowering yurself. First it was they haven't done a show yet. then it was thats only one show now it's lets see if it will last next year. So why oh why are you this dense. In some thingsyou are great predicting the success of the PDI and the ultimate failure of the IFBB maybe you should just stay on the sidelines and watch the game. Cause really all you do is embarrass yourself when you get involved. Work on your own problems. Like trying to get more than 2 pros to a meeting. Interesting howyou dodged all the questions about the big meeting you setup in Vegas. Hope you didn't have it catered. Where are the exact numbers for the Olympia. Not your made up ones. Lets see the actual ticket accounting. Unless you have it then it all speculation what you say. To bad the IFBB was so cheap or maybe they could have flown you or Weinberger out to London to check to see who was in the crowd.
Also, you sure do selective answer things. WHo is promoting the Olympia next year. Why isn't the Olympia and the Grand Prix shows on the IFBB website yet all others are. Simple questions. Do you need help. Could it be there is no promoter for those shows yet. I think so. If not then who is the promoter. Exactly. Call up Jimmy and see what he has you say. I'm sure it will be good. Plus has there been a court date set yet. Man the IFBB is going to be busy next year. And intgeresting with no sponsors how does the PDI have 6 shows confirmed in Europe next year, Barbados and maybe Trinidad. Then of course the NOC. Is the NY Pro moving to a high school next year. They should maybe they will pack it. And answer why the Atlantic City pro was so shitty. Hell the IBB is the best in the world aren't they. What happened to the Fresno Pro this year. God you good at sidestepping. Your are learning from the best. And why the hell doesn't the IFBB do something about that prize money. Aren't you the least embarrassed with giving the 8 time Mr. Olympia $4,000 for 2nd place. I know you are, but you are under contract. Oh well someday you'll learn.
I just can't get over your monster imagination of ticket sales. Are you sure you didn't accidently look at the Olympia ticket sales. And maybe you should talk to your promoters and teach them that competitors like to pose in front of people not empty houses.
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Whose side are you on?
It put a lot of money into athletes' pockets. Sure, it might not come next year. But that is a hypothetical. A lot of things might or might not happen next year. BBing is an unsure sport, and shows don't materialize in BOTH federations, right?
Tens of thousands of dollars are flowing into athletes pockets. Smile :)
Bob stop hating just because you would not make top 5 at PDI no reason to hate guys for making money
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Bob stop hating just because you would not make top 5 at PDI no reason to hate guys for making money
Now that is something I never thought about. No way could Chic beat Lee, Frey or Sami. And once the Russians get there shit together. And even St. Cloud would beat Chic most of the time. So CHic right now may be able to break in the top 5. Hey, better than other pro show he has legitimately won. ;D
I bet if Wayne decided to call a PDI athletes meeting most of the guys would at least show up. Chic calls a meeting and other than the guy setting up the water glasses, and the guy taking out the trash no one else shows up.
Like I said, just sit back tell your elders to watch how Wayne puts on the shows and promotes and maybe they will learn something. you would think after all these years they would have retained something. Why isn't the Olympia and Grand Prix shows on the IFBB schedule? Please enlighten us with one of the many IFBB excuses answers they have.
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Here is a question someone should have asked. And by the way it was scripted. But anyhow, how come the Weiders, the IFBB who are supposed to the god almighty creators of bodybuilding and support BB and its athletes would penalize their members for just going to a BB show. Not competing, just going. Why is that. All it is, is boybuilding. Why would they punish for supporting. Could never figure that one out. Chic, please call Jimmy and get an answer. We'll wait.
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This is just too much BS. The Nobel Prize Nomination is just plain BS. "Word got around and finally someone nominated me" ahah, monster ego.
First, only the comitee and the nominators know who the nominees are and that - as in any SERIOUS organization - is kept secret. Secondly, only nominees up to 1951 have been revealed. I'm betting neither he or anyone has any proof to back up the statement that he was a nominee... that's why he was so vague in the actual answer.
Of course the comitee would never get their hands in such matters so no one would ever even come out and say "hey, that guy is a liar" so he just says whatever he wants.
The least Solomon could've done was to google 1 minute about nobel proze nominations. That would've saved him from being played.
"Rules are rules"? "so there should not be 6 or 7 offcial federations"? "There should be only one federation controlling each sport"?!
Ever heard about fascism? Never? Maybe despotism rings a bell? Still pull the "free country" card every once in a while huh? Hypocrits. These people should be stopped immediately >:(
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Here is a question someone should have asked. And by the way it was scripted. But anyhow, how come the Weiders, the IFBB who are supposed to the god almighty creators of bodybuilding and support BB and its athletes would penalize their members for just going to a BB show. Not competing, just going. Why is that. All it is, is boybuilding. Why would they punish for supporting. Could never figure that one out. Chic, please call Jimmy and get an answer. We'll wait.
Cuase they are idiots.Same here in England athletes were old if they go to the PDI event they wouldnt place well next show.Isnt that fixing shows? It is all bullshit there is room for other organizations there is competition in every other form of buisness.Why didnt Dan ask about not paying the taxes or the promoters from here not with holding taxes and how Ben tried to distance himself from the Pro side to stay with WADDA ..If WADDA only knew what was really going on...
I am so sick of hearing look what BEN and Joe have done for bodybuilding....NO the question is look at what bodybuilding and the Athletes have done for them....look at what they have made from the athletes compared to what they have given back.You dont think if there was no Ben and Joe show bodybuilding would not exsist..that someone else would not have done it?
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Same here in England athletes were old if they go to the PDI event
;D
You don't give yourself enough credit your not that old.
Ronnie next to go? he is getting pretty old.
Must be a Freudian thing with Ben.
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Don't bother asking Bob any serious questions, he only answers those that he can make a smart ass remark on. DO you actually think that he'll answer questions that put down his boss or the federation he works for. He talks about how outspoken he is and blah blah blah, too bad hes only outspoken about issues that he can be outspoken about, other than that he keeps quiet and hides.
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Bob puts down the PDI because:
-Its a threat to the organization he works for, he's probably worried that he'll lose his job or his salary-but if he knew a little about economics, competition would only increase his wages
-He hates Wayne
-He's selfish, only thinks about himself, not upportunities for bodybuilders to make money-nice athletes rep
Other than that, why do you put the PDI down so much?-dont worry I know you wont answer
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Bob puts down the PDI because:
-Its a threat to the organization he works for, he's probably worried that he'll lose his job or his salary-but if he knew a little about economics, competition would only increase his wages
-He hates Wayne
-He's selfish, only thinks about himself, not upportunities for bodybuilders to make money-nice athletes rep
Other than that, why do you put the PDI down so much?-dont worry I know you wont answer
I assume you directed this at me...
1) I don't trust Wayne, can't say I really know him but the incident at the Olympia meeting with the athletes says volumes. He might be a great promoter but the IFBB didn't start the crap with the athletes since Wayne left.
2) Wayne and his big "power play" to try take things over says a lot about his ethics. He deserved to get fired. It would happen in any business when a subordinate tries to make a power play against the company.
3) The PDI has made MANY promises about shows that never appeared with no notification that they were not going to happen. Even Onlyme was taken off guard about this.
4) The medical benefits turned out to be pure garbage. They are what a physical check up and nothing more.
5) Wayne has 100% control over the Athletes, he can let anybody go because he determines that their physique doesn't match up. With the back ground I gave above Wayne can use this to terminate anybody who is willing to any kind of stance that might improve things.
6) Bob just started making changes for the better, many of them have been very good. Most of them he has just presented and they have been approved. This wasn't possible under Wayne. Ben was still the head guy but Manion is willing to listen, and obviously Ben and Manion are willing to make positive changes.
I think they need to be given a little time.
7) Vince, Vinny and others who have seen the inside got the hell out, something isn't right with that. Ask Vinny why he left. None of his reasons are about gifts from the IFBB but promises from Wayne that never materialized. Shows and seminars that were promised and never happened.
8 ) I asked many question about the PDI and got trashed big time, but was not given any answers until Jack came along and tried to help but even he didn't and still doesn't have all the answers.
I can go on if you like, I have many more things that make me not trust the PDI.
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Why did you change your name from "NiceRacq" to "Original Sin"?
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Why did you change your name from "NiceRacq" to "Original Sin"?
Jack
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I assume you directed this at me...
1) I don't trust Wayne, can't say I really know him but the incident at the Olympia meeting with the athletes says volumes. He might be a great promoter but the IFBB didn't start the crap with the athletes since Wayne left. Wayne from what I understand demanded respect from the athletes. They came in late or something to the meeting that everyone else came on time for then he got mad. The Olympia was 100% out of pocket for Wayne. That means 100's of thousands of dollars, not a few thousand like at other shows. HE paid for the hotels, airfare and per diem. With that he demanded certain things from the athletes. The problem is these atheltes think they are primadonnas. THEY ARE NOT CLOSE. Ever played pro football or baseball (or even high school) when you do something wrong the coach yells his brains out at you in front of everyone. No matter who you are. These complaints from IFBB pros about Wayne's antics at meetings is hilarious and childish. If they are pros then they better be prepared to be treated like one and act like one. This is a mute issue that Chic seems to always bring up. Stupid and not worth mentioning yet he does to try to stack against Wayne. All it does is make the pros like like idiots.
2) Wayne and his big "power play" to try take things over says a lot about his ethics. He deserved to get fired. It would happen in any business when a subordinate tries to make a power play against the company. Not sure what power play. He wanted to get some things done and the IFBB didn't want them cause they would lose control over certain issues. DO you think Wayne wined when he got fired. He has proven that is was a blessing. It wasn't that Wayne was trying to do any kind of power play but rather that Wayne wanted to do things that would take away some of the IFBB power. No way would the IFBB let that happen. They have been operating a shady business for many years. Any kind of major change would just draw unwanted attention. Why do you think no other sponsors outside of what they can control are solicited. Cause major sponsors like Budweiser, Amercian Express, and many others demand accounting practices that can be traced so they don't get in trouble. The last thing the IFBB wants any kind of tax accounting. Hopefully Lee will be able to get this out along with a few others that seem to be looking into the IFBB tax problems. How long do you think the IFBB will be around when the IRS starts there investigation. Not long.
3) The PDI has made MANY promises about shows that never appeared with no notification that they were not going to happen. Even Onlyme was taken off guard about this. Yes it did bother me. But, then I have to look at the IFBB. They do the same thing. As with the Toronto Pro, and the Fresno Pro. So I guess cancelling shows is something that goes with the territory. The only problem I have is why would a company 40+ years old not have their shit together by now and have a set schedule.
4) The medical benefits turned out to be pure garbage. They are what a physical check up and nothing more. I know nothing about this issue. I do know the IFBB medical plan is also a little misguided. It is not a full medical plan like told. And if it was why don't the pros take advantage of it.
5) Wayne has 100% control over the Athletes, he can let anybody go because he determines that their physique doesn't match up. With the back ground I gave above Wayne can use this to terminate anybody who is willing to any kind of stance that might improve things. SO does the IFBB. The IFBB picks and choses who will have their pro card and who will win. They too can get rid of anyone they wish. But they do it a little worse they will have you keep paying dues, entry fees and contest prep and just make sure you finish out of the top 5 or money positions. They just do it dirty.
6) Bob just started making changes for the better, many of them have been very good. Most of them he has just presented and they have been approved. This wasn't possible under Wayne. Ben was still the head guy but Manion is willing to listen, and obviously Ben and Manion are willing to make positive changes.
I think they need to be given a little time. There won't be enough time for them. Once the mags sell, their demise is just around the corner. What major changes have been made? Don't mention the Olympia prize money cause Chic didn't do that. The money was already there. Does every IFBB pro get all their expenses paid to the shows they do like airfare, hotels and per diem. From what I understand the major reason St. Cloud went to the PDI is because the IFBB wouldn't pay his way to Europe. He called Wayne and he said no problem. So he went won some money probably did a seminar or two and had fun. Horrible thing isn't it.
7) Vince, Vinny and others who have seen the inside got the hell out, something isn't right with that. Ask Vinny why he left. None of his reasons are about gifts from the IFBB but promises from Wayne that never materialized. Shows and seminars that were promised and never happened. He won't say it (no way) but I bet he kind of wishes he stayed. He could have made some money be ready to make even more next year with 9 shows and get booked all throughout Europe like Lee was. Vinny is a nice guy but he will not make the money in the IFBB like he could have made in the PDI. Vince just got hislast paycheck from the IFBB. So even that decision wasn't good.
8 ) I asked many question about the PDI and got trashed big time, but was not given any answers until Jack came along and tried to help but even he didn't and still doesn't have all the answers. People weren't asking questions, they were making derogertory statements in the from of a questions. Big difference. Well the "questions" have been answered and the PDI is under way and will only get better.
I can go on if you like, I have many more things that make me not trust the PDI. Go ahead, the PDI has shut every naysayer down already with two very successful shows and 9 more next year (possibly more). Why do you think the IFBB has officials go to the shows. they are SCARED stiff, thats why. They should be. A new sheriff is in town and soon will be taking over and then finally BB can get the positive reaction from the public it should instead of the negative imgae it portrays now.
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Cuase they are idiots.Same here in England athletes were old if they go to the PDI event they wouldnt place well next show.Isnt that fixing shows? It is all bullshit there is room for other organizations there is competition in every other form of buisness.Why didnt Dan ask about not paying the taxes or the promoters from here not with holding taxes and how Ben tried to distance himself from the Pro side to stay with WADDA ..If WADDA only knew what was really going on...
I am so sick of hearing look what BEN and Joe have done for bodybuilding....NO the question is look at what bodybuilding and the Athletes have done for them....look at what they have made from the athletes compared to what they have given back.You dont think if there was no Ben and Joe show bodybuilding would not exsist..that someone else would not have done it?
That is the funniest part... ben acts like the sport wouldn't exist without him!
the truth is it'd probably be bigger and better if the weider monopoly never existed...
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What planet are you on, exactly?
Talk about a view that is skewed...
BTW...The Pro's have every accessability to get full Group Health coverage...and many have already. Don't talk about things you don't know.
I also have to say....your idea of "Two very successful shows" is laughable.
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What planet are you on, exactly?
Talk about a view that is skewed...
BTW...The Pro's have every accessability to get full Group Health coverage...and many have already. Don't talk about things you don't know.
I also have to say....your idea of "Two very successful shows" is laughable.
Ben Weider's attack dog speaks barks! ::)
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Jack
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Thanks for the reply Bob, awesome response.
What planet are you on, exactly?
Talk about a view that is skewed...
onlyme-come on man dont you know that if its not Bobs view then its wrong, he knows everything ::)
Funny how he has the correct view on things considering that he's not in the PDI and knows just as much as me and you
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Thanks for the reply Bob, awesome response.
onlyme-come on man dont you know that if its not Bobs view then its wrong, he knows everything ::)
Funny how he has the correct view on things considering that he's not in the PDI and knows just as much as me and you
Well, he is great at dodging the facts. And you are right it's funny how everything he said is fact when in reality nothing he says is actually him speaking but Weider and Manion. People that answer questions that need clarification or explanation yet answer them with one liners are people who don't know the answers. If he does come back to answer it's because Manion is typing out the answers. But, no matter what there are no answers to statements that are true.
What planet are you on, exactly?
Talk about a view that is skewed...
BTW...The Pro's have every accessability to get full Group Health coverage...and many have already. Don't talk about things you don't know.
I also have to say....your idea of "Two very successful shows" is laughable.
Yes my view is straight and compared to how you see things (the IFBB view) then yes I can see where you think my views are skewed.
Your insurance was laughable, proven by the lack of participation.
And yes I think both NOC shows were great successes. Here's why;
1. they still went on even with the IFBB trying everything in their power to stop them. Now that is laughable. Incredibly laughable and you know it just won't admit it.
2. the IFBB failed to get Lee to cave into their baseless threats. The others that went back were obviously weak and had to go back. This tactic did nothing to hurt the two shows. NOTHING
3. the IFBB even had the tallest IFBB stooge standing at the door of the NOC and it did nothign but embarrass (again) the IFBB. Again, incredibly laughable.
4. You everyday came on saying where is the money. Well unlike the IFBB show in that western state that bounced checks, the money was directly deposited into the competitors account. NOW that is successful. Nothing negative can be said about that.
5. No matter what, both shows took place and both shows were close to full at the night show. Not your made up number that you think cause you say everyone should believe you. Like I said, call the box office and see. Don't be scared. The NOC wasn't a flop like the Atlantic City Show. An IFBB Pro competing in front of less than 300 spectators at the night show is INCREDIBLY laughable. In fact it is HILARIOUS. What you should do is stay out of these fields marketing, promotion, advertising, accounting and basically anything to do with getting people together or letting people know about something. Your attendance record for your IFBB meetings you schedule should be the first hint.
5. The sound, staging, back stage, announcer, music, lighting seemed to be perfect at both shows. Jeez even Kevin said that about London.
6. Not one competitor has complained. Hey Bob............. thats a another hint that the shows were probably successful.
See your point of view has no weight on anything concerning the PDI. Nothing. It's not even your opinion. It's someone else's that tells you what to say. everyone knows it. we know you can't and won't admit it, but we already know.
Anyway, hey keep talking about the PDI like you do. It's great. I think your check is in the mail.
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Well, he is great at dodging the facts. And you are right it's funny how everything he said is fact when in reality nothing he says is actually him speaking but Weider and Manion. People that answer questions that need clarification or explanation yet answer them with one liners are people who don't know the answers. If he does come back to answer it's because Manion is typing out the answers. But, no matter what there are no answers to statements that are true.
Yes my view is straight and compared to how you see things (the IFBB view) then yes I can see where you think my views are skewed.
Your insurance was laughable, proven by the lack of participation.
Really? Well, please feel free to tell me how many people have signed up and are using the group health?[/glow]
And yes I think both NOC shows were great successes. Here's why;
1. they still went on even with the IFBB trying everything in their power to stop them. Now that is laughable. Incredibly laughable and you know it just won't admit it.
There is nothing the IFBB could do to stop the PDI from taking place...They have been their own worst enemy in getting things off the ground.
2. the IFBB failed to get Lee to cave into their baseless threats. The others that went back were obviously weak and had to go back. This tactic did nothing to hurt the two shows. NOTHING
The IFBB made no "threats" to lee...he broke the rules, he pays the price.
3. the IFBB even had the tallest IFBB stooge standing at the door of the NOC and it did nothign but embarrass (again) the IFBB. Again, incredibly laughable.
4. You everyday came on saying where is the money. Well unlike the IFBB show in that western state that bounced checks, the money was directly deposited into the competitors account. NOW that is successful. Nothing negative can be said about that.
5. No matter what, both shows took place and both shows were close to full at the night show. Not your made up number that you think cause you say everyone should believe you. Like I said, call the box office and see. Don't be scared. The NOC wasn't a flop like the Atlantic City Show. An IFBB Pro competing in front of less than 300 spectators at the night show is INCREDIBLY laughable. In fact it is HILARIOUS. What you should do is stay out of these fields marketing, promotion, advertising, accounting and basically anything to do with getting people together or letting people know about something. Your attendance record for your IFBB meetings you schedule should be the first hint.
Once again, Keith...filling an autorium with FREE tickets isn't that tough. As long as you mentioned Kevin, ask him how many people were at the British show...
5. The sound, staging, back stage, announcer, music, lighting seemed to be perfect at both shows. Jeez even Kevin said that about London.
6. Not one competitor has complained. Hey Bob............. thats a another hint that the shows were probably successful.
Why would the competitors complain?
See your point of view has no weight on anything concerning the PDI. Nothing. It's not even your opinion. It's someone else's that tells you what to say. everyone knows it. we know you can't and won't admit it, but we already know.
Anyway, hey keep talking about the PDI like you do. It's great. I think your check is in the mail.
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WHo is promoting the Olympia next year. Why isn't the Olympia and the Grand Prix shows on the IFBB website yet all others are. Simple questions.
Robin Chang. It is listed on the site. GP's will be listed when the promoters fnalize the details.
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5. No matter what, both shows took place and both shows were close to full at the night show. Not your made up number that you think cause you say everyone should believe you. Like I said, call the box office and see.
The British wasm't full.
Call the box office for the figure then come back here and report it.
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.Why didnt Dan ask about not paying the taxes or the promoters from here not with holding taxes
Lee, do you mean previous UK promoters not withholding taxes?
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Robin Chang. It is listed on the site. GP's will be listed when the promoters fnalize the details.
But he won't be there next year once the show is sold or are the new owners going to keep him and already told him that.
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Weider should be more open; had the AAU dstroyed the IFBB back then, there would be no Mr O today.
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Lee, do you mean previous UK promoters not withholding taxes?
Any of the promoters in the US and probably the UK do not withold taxes do they? When a promoter pays the IFBB a snaction fee, does the promoter take the taxes out of the check the give the IFBB or does the IFBB pay the tax themselves. Well we all know the answer, just thought it would be nicer to ask it this way.
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Chic, the IFBB telling Lee he would be suspended if he competed in the NOC from all indications was threatening. Then once they implemented the suspension and disallowed him to compete in the Olympia they offer him a smaller sentance (suspension) if he reconsidered and not do the British NOC. that to me is threatening. The did everything they could to try and get Lee back. But, Lee has balls and he definitely more than any person associated with the IFBB sticks to what he believes in. For anyone to think thatLee is in this fight just for himself they are pretty stupid and ignorant. Cause from what I heard he lost a $100,000 contract with Twinlabs. Someone in for themselves I wouldn't think would do this.
You are right about one thing. There is nothing the IFBB could do to stop the PDI. You finally got one right! No matter how much they tried, everything failed. It's pretty sad when you think about it. The IFBB pretends the PDI doesn't bother them but they do everything they can to try and stop them and FAILED badly. That must have really hurt the old man and Manion. Wait till next year, it is only going to get worse.
You and I and everyone else knows that the IFBB was hoping to get Lee back ONLY because they figured it would destroy the PDI. That is a 100% fact no matter how much you might say it isn't. you know it is true 100%. No double talk can deny that fact.
And you say filling an autorium with free tickets isn't hard. Well maybe the IFBB should start using this tactic cause an empty house at the Atlantic City show and non-sellout at the NY Pro sure could have been more impressive. And again you talk out of your Manion ass when you throw out numbers. You have no idea what you are talking about.
And by the way the Titanic sunk, thats a fact, even though there were no pictures to prove it like you always want.
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But he won't be there next year once the show is sold or are the new owners going to keep him and already told him that.
Robin is the promoter. AMI have not sold the magazines. Feel free to continue speculating though.
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Any of the promoters in the US and probably the UK do not withold taxes do they? When a promoter pays the IFBB a snaction fee, does the promoter take the taxes out of the check the give the IFBB or does the IFBB pay the tax themselves. Well we all know the answer, just thought it would be nicer to ask it this way.
I don't know if promoters in the US have to deduct tax. The situation in the UK is differentt.
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Robin is the promoter. AMI have not sold the magazines. Feel free to continue speculating though.
You mean not yet. Just a matter of time. YOu can only go so long losing money. And loans need to be paid
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You mean not yet. Just a matter of time. YOu can only go so long losing money. And loans need to be paid
This is one of my PDI points. The PDI hasn't made a dime yet. How could of it with no sponsorship and giving away so many tickets? But yet you say the IFBB is dead in the water because of lack of money?
You are so biased that you can't even hold an objective debate about the topic. I don't think the IFBB is running well and yes the athletes have been screwed over for many years. It happened in professional hockey for decades but they changed all that, sort of what Bob and Manion are working towards (I hope).
But I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and time. It has only been two years and the bigger the beast the harder it is to make changes.
I wasn't around for the WBF fiasco but I sure don't want the athletes to be screwed over like happened then.
Wayne might be a great promoter but his marketing of the PDI is disastrous. How can ANY fan based organization survive with keeping so much in the dark. We don't even know who is going to compete, or when, or prize money, etc... Sami had to come on here and tell us all about the British NOC. If Wayne was a little more on the ball with presenting the package instead of hiding it, I might change my mind.
Jack London has tried to answer any question I presented to him, but he isn't even privy to the answers for a lot of my questions and he was the number one PDI guy. does that make sense?
How about Lee Priest?
Lee was always somebody who said what he meant and you could trust what he said. But since his slant to the PDI everything he says you can't really trust anymore. I don't even mean the stuff about the PDI. He promised us fans twice to be on the Olympia stage and backed out. He says he wanted to be on stage this year but got suspended so he couldn't be, how dumb is that. A four year old would know what was going to happen, but now Lee uses it as a good excuse. How about stolen plane tickets? or the promised lawsuit? Is Lee waiting for the graduating class of 2008?
Lee always used to have integrity but since hooking up with Wayne he is losing it fast, which again says volumes about Wayne.
We can examine the Colorado Pro show next if you like....
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Chick, just wanted you to know how bad a rep I think you are. Horrible, actually. Keep it up tho.
Besides being IFBB's lapdog, give me one good reason for you to keep that holy war against the PDI. You, as Athlete's Rep, should at the very least be silent about it and hopefully wish all the best to EVERY athelete trying that route. Instead, you keep bashing it like a 15 year old fanboy. Geesh.
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Chick, just wanted you to know how bad a rep I think you are. Horrible, actually.
What are you talking about? Bob represents Jim Manion and Ben Weider very enthusiastically.
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This is one of my PDI points. The PDI hasn't made a dime yet. How could of it with no sponsorship and giving away so many tickets? But yet you say the IFBB is dead in the water because of lack of money?
You are so biased that you can't even hold an objective debate about the topic. I don't think the IFBB is running well and yes the athletes have been screwed over for many years. It happened in professional hockey for decades but they changed all that, sort of what Bob and Manion are working towards (I hope).
But I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and time. It has only been two years and the bigger the beast the harder it is to make changes.
I wasn't around for the WBF fiasco but I sure don't want the athletes to be screwed over like happened then.
Wayne might be a great promoter but his marketing of the PDI is disastrous. How can ANY fan based organization survive with keeping so much in the dark. We don't even know who is going to compete, or when, or prize money, etc... Sami had to come on here and tell us all about the British NOC. If Wayne was a little more on the ball with presenting the package instead of hiding it, I might change my mind.
Jack London has tried to answer any question I presented to him, but he isn't even privy to the answers for a lot of my questions and he was the number one PDI guy. does that make sense?
How about Lee Priest?
Lee was always somebody who said what he meant and you could trust what he said. But since his slant to the PDI everything he says you can't really trust anymore. I don't even mean the stuff about the PDI. He promised us fans twice to be on the Olympia stage and backed out. He says he wanted to be on stage this year but got suspended so he couldn't be, how dumb is that. A four year old would know what was going to happen, but now Lee uses it as a good excuse. How about stolen plane tickets? or the promised lawsuit? Is Lee waiting for the graduating class of 2008?
Lee always used to have integrity but since hooking up with Wayne he is losing it fast, which again says volumes about Wayne.
We can examine the Colorado Pro show next if you like....
Wayne does't now how to market. Intersting. He offered to pay for ads in FLEX and M&F. Yet AMI said NO WAY. MD had full page ads. The NOC was the most talked about subject on the boards. Over 500,000 people saw ads in local New York City publications A WEEK! That is way more publicity or marketing any shows does. He had 16 gyms selling tickets and handing out flyers. He direct mailed flyers to more than 1000 people every month. Sorry but no other show promoted itself as much the NOC considering the major mags would not allow his ads which not many IFBB shows do at all.
What you are basing things on is the lack of a website and the major mags. I explained the major mags so that is done. I talked to Wayne 2 days ago and asked him why no website. He told me it will be up and running oin January. As will the radio show. He is spending actually allot of money on the website. It is not going to be a fly by night site like the IFBB. Which is definitely horrible and everyone has already admitted that. Once AMI sells the mags then you will see more advertising. And in reality what does it matter about the shows making money right now. They were paid for in full by Wayne and next year there are 9 events maybe more. And they are being put on by other promoters. And you are right about sponsorship. And do you think Wayne doesn't know that. So what that tells you is there must be someone interested. The are allot of European companies I'm you have never heard of nor I. What matters is there are sponsors going to be involved and the competitors are getting paid real money. Thats all that counts. And so far EVERY PDI competitor has had nothing but great things to say about the PDI and the shows so far. You'll never see that from an IFBB athlete. So like I said awhile back I will sit back and see what happens. Well it appears EVERYTHING happen GREAT. So it's full steam ahead. And look for more IFBB guys going over next. And you'll be surprised who's calling Wayne. Very Very Very Very and even more Very surprised.
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Once AMI sells the mags then you will see more advertising.
Don't count on it... the weiders will want to set a few things straight first. Probably "mere guidelines" for the new owners ;)
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This is one of my PDI points. The PDI hasn't made a dime yet. How could of it with no sponsorship and giving away so many tickets? But yet you say the IFBB is dead in the water because of lack of money?
You are so biased that you can't even hold an objective debate about the topic. I don't think the IFBB is running well and yes the athletes have been screwed over for many years. It happened in professional hockey for decades but they changed all that, sort of what Bob and Manion are working towards (I hope).
But I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and time. It has only been two years and the bigger the beast the harder it is to make changes.
I wasn't around for the WBF fiasco but I sure don't want the athletes to be screwed over like happened then.
Wayne might be a great promoter but his marketing of the PDI is disastrous. How can ANY fan based organization survive with keeping so much in the dark. We don't even know who is going to compete, or when, or prize money, etc... Sami had to come on here and tell us all about the British NOC. If Wayne was a little more on the ball with presenting the package instead of hiding it, I might change my mind.
Jack London has tried to answer any question I presented to him, but he isn't even privy to the answers for a lot of my questions and he was the number one PDI guy. does that make sense?
How about Lee Priest?
Lee was always somebody who said what he meant and you could trust what he said. But since his slant to the PDI everything he says you can't really trust anymore. I don't even mean the stuff about the PDI. He promised us fans twice to be on the Olympia stage and backed out. He says he wanted to be on stage this year but got suspended so he couldn't be, how dumb is that. A four year old would know what was going to happen, but now Lee uses it as a good excuse. How about stolen plane tickets? or the promised lawsuit? Is Lee waiting for the graduating class of 2008?
Lee always used to have integrity but since hooking up with Wayne he is losing it fast, which again says volumes about Wayne.
We can examine the Colorado Pro show next if you like....
Sorry i am still ME ....you are so far off.....but you are amusing..
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Don't count on it... the weiders will want to set a few things straight first. Probably "mere guidelines" for the new owners ;)
Yea I was thinking that too. I think it depends on who buys it. If Time Warner buys it I doubt they are going to listen to what anyone wants. They are big enough to say no to the deal and let AMI keep sucking down money. Plus, I would wonder why anyone who buys the magazine would have a clause stating you can't accept ad revenue from anyone. That would be just stupid. Also, I was thinking maybe they would require a deal for IFBB shows and the Olympia. Maybe but again why? The Olympia will pay for ads not matter what they cost. Why make them cheaper and lose money. AMI wants out. They owe money and are losing money. So not sure how long the barginning would go.
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I'm gonna out on a limb and say it won't sell. Monster need for compartmentalization and Ch 11 bankruptcy right after the 1st of the year.
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I'm gonna out on a limb and say it won't sell.
I'm with you
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How much could FLEX really be worth? AMI paid way way too much for it what were they thinking?
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I'm with you
Great. Let's split a coke and head to the roller skating rink.
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Yea I was thinking that too. I think it depends on who buys it. If Time Warner buys it I doubt they are going to listen to what anyone wants. They are big enough to say no to the deal and let AMI keep sucking down money. Plus, I would wonder why anyone who buys the magazine would have a clause stating you can't accept ad revenue from anyone. That would be just stupid. Also, I was thinking maybe they would require a deal for IFBB shows and the Olympia. Maybe but again why? The Olympia will pay for ads not matter what they cost. Why make them cheaper and lose money. AMI wants out. They owe money and are losing money. So not sure how long the barginning would go.
Well, I wasn't exactly guessing... Ben himself said something on that regard on PBW.
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Great. Let's split a coke and head to the roller skating rink.
Aren't you concerned that InsiderZ will get jealous?
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Aren't you concerned that InsiderZ will get jealous?
IZ is the type that likes to longingly gaze from afar. Guys like us will grab the bull by the horns.
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Today the IFBB elected Rafael Santonja as their new president, replacing Ben Weider who is ill.
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Today the IFBB elected Rafael Santonja as their new president, replacing Ben Weider who is ill.
He was just at the O and just did the PBBW interview and seemed fine. How is he "ill"?
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I guess you were not very close to the stage
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Today the IFBB elected Rafael Santonja as their new president, replacing Ben Weider who is ill.
Why would they and hire a guy outside the country and especially from Europe. I doubt this is true. But if it is probably because of the heavy presence of PDI shows in Europe next year. No other reason to hire a guy like this who won't be around the main office all the time. He'll have no power. Ben wants the title out of his hands so when the legal shit starts hitting the fan. Just my conspiracy theory
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Ben wants the title out of his hands so when the legal shit starts hitting the fan. Just my conspiracy theory
What legal shit?
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What legal shit?
Lee Priest.
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Why would they and hire a guy outside the country and especially from Europe. I doubt this is true. But if it is probably because of the heavy presence of PDI shows in Europe next year. No other reason to hire a guy like this who won't be around the main office all the time. He'll have no power. Ben wants the title out of his hands so when the legal shit starts hitting the fan. Just my conspiracy theory
Who are you going to hate on now? Both Joe and Ben are not in the picture anymore?
Since Shawn Ray won't be running things in your lifetime and I highly doubt Dr. Rafael Santonja did anything to you personally, I will let you hate me. Life gets kind of hollow if all that hatred doesn't have a target.
Sorry i am still ME ....you are so far off.....but you are amusing..
I like to please my fans, you might learn something here ;)
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I am a little shocked how little knowledge most people on this board have about the organization of bodybuilding today. The worlds largest bodybuilding federation is the IFBB (INTERNATIONAL Federation of Body Building). This federation has about 50 member countries.
Most of the athletes in the IFBB compete as amateurs. The amateur division of the IFBB in the US is known as NPC. Unlike most amateur competitions in the US, most international events are drug tested. That’s why US athletes never place high in international events. The US athletes are usually selected at the “TEAM UNIVERSE”, which is one of the few drug tested NPC shows. None of the 7 US bodybuilders made the top 5 of any of the 8 weight classes at the IFBB World Championships..
That picture is reversed when it comes to the Pro League of the IFBB. It is far easier for an US athlete to become IFBB Professional than for other athletes. There are at least 10 US bodybuilders that turn pro automatically just because of their national amateur placings.
In most other countries the athletes have to go through a recommendation process.
Is it for that reason that some of the world’s best bodybuilders are still “amateurs” in South America, Europe, Asia and (Northern) Africa. As US athletes they would have turned pro in a minute
It is also obvious, that IFBB Professionals get preferred treatment at PRO shows in the US, such as the Mr. Olympia or the New York Pro Show. In addition to that the chairman of the (international) Pro League is the same person who runs the US amateur division (NPC). Almost all members of that board are US Americans.
I am not sure if the departure of Ben Weider and the election of Rafael Santoja as the new IFBB President will bring any changes, but let’s hope for the best.
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Who are you going to hate on now? Both Joe and Ben are not in the picture anymore?
Since Shawn Ray won't be running things in your lifetime and I highly doubt Dr. Rafael Santonja did anything to you personally, I will let you hate me. Life gets kind of hollow if all that hatred doesn't have a target.
I like to please my fans, you might learn something here ;)
Nope, I guess I will have to love the IFBB now ::) With one change so will they ::) This should have happened many years ago before the Weiders fucked up the whole business. ;) There is not one person who would say the IFBB has been great to the members. The IFBB has been great to the Weiders. The IFBB has been corrupt for many many years.
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I am a little shocked how little knowledge most people on this board have about the organization of bodybuilding today. The worlds largest bodybuilding federation is the IFBB (INTERNATIONAL Federation of Body Building). This federation has about 50 member countries.
Most of the athletes in the IFBB compete as amateurs. The amateur division of the IFBB in the US is known as NPC. Unlike most amateur competitions in the US, most international events are drug tested. That’s why US athletes never place high in international events. The US athletes are usually selected at the “TEAM UNIVERSE”, which is one of the few drug tested NPC shows. None of the 7 US bodybuilders made the top 5 of any of the 8 weight classes at the IFBB World Championships..
That picture is reversed when it comes to the Pro League of the IFBB. It is far easier for an US athlete to become IFBB Professional than for other athletes. There are at least 10 US bodybuilders that turn pro automatically just because of their national amateur placings.
In most other countries the athletes have to go through a recommendation process.
Is it for that reason that some of the world’s best bodybuilders are still “amateurs” in South America, Europe, Asia and (Northern) Africa. As US athletes they would have turned pro in a minute
It is also obvious, that IFBB Professionals get preferred treatment at PRO shows in the US, such as the Mr. Olympia or the New York Pro Show. In addition to that the chairman of the (international) Pro League is the same person who runs the US amateur division (NPC). Almost all members of that board are US Americans.
I am not sure if the departure of Ben Weider and the election of Rafael Santoja as the new IFBB President will bring any changes, but let’s hope for the best.
You defintiely know your IFBB history. Too bad that doesn't change the fact that they corrupt and do nothing positive for their members. And the the US professionals also have preferred treatment in the European event such as the Grand Prix. And you are right about the best amatuers in the world are in those countries and would easily become Pros in the US. But they aren't and that is where the PDI is getting most of their pros from. The same people you are saying would make it as a pro in the US.
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first, bump
Why would they and hire a guy outside the country and especially from Europe. I doubt this is true. But if it is probably because of the heavy presence of PDI shows in Europe next year. No other reason to hire a guy like this who won't be around the main office all the time. He'll have no power. Ben wants the title out of his hands so when the legal shit starts hitting the fan. Just my conspiracy theory
Santonja has been the IFBB Executive Assistant to the President for many years. which means he's been the one running the org. It's unlikely that Ben has been involved with the day to day administration for quite a while.