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discuss.
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Bush has to be cleverer than he seems. If you look at file footage back when he was governor, he isn't so bad. Well at least I hope he is cleverer than he seems, he's in charge of an awful lot of ba-da-boom-ba-da-bang.
Republicans suck though.
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Bush has to be cleverer than he seems. If you look at file footage back when he was governor, he isn't so bad. Well at least I hope he is cleverer than he seems, he's in charge of an awful lot of ba-da-boom-ba-da-bang.
Republicans suck though.
cleverer ?
Yes and Clintin was a gooder President than Bush too.
hahahahahaha
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cleverer, unlike gooder, is a real word.
check it out.
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"Bush is an idiot and Republicans suck."
No argument from me.
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Bush, Republicans, Democrats all suck. There needs to another party that'll push libertarian agendas and reduce the role of government.
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cleverer ?
Yes and Clintin was a gooder President than Bush too.
hahahahahaha
lol
cleverer, unlike gooder, is a real word.
check it out.
lol
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discuss.
Explain why republicans "suck"!
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discuss.
I can't... ;D I cant stop smiling at the title... ;D let me just relish for a bit ;D
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Explain why republicans "suck"!
The Bush Administration.
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Explain why republicans "suck"!
The facts are right before your eyes.
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The facts are right before your eyes.
he is blind.
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Like Clayton Bigsby, a known white supremicist.
and Author.
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Bush, Republicans, Democrats all suck. There needs to another party that'll push libertarian agendas and reduce the role of government.
I agree wholeheartedly to the second sentance. But it won't happen overnight. Our only hoep is to gently push the country in that direction and that is why it is very necassary to support the GOP.
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Explain why republicans "suck"!
The Republican controlled congress sucks because they abdicated their oversight responsibility and basically put party before country. When real oversight starts (hopefully) in 2007 we'll find out just how much we as a country have been getting financially raped by no-bid, cost plus government contracts, and just plain outright fraud and theft of US Taxpayer $'s.
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Repubs use lies and fear to get population to give permission for non-necessary wars and reduced civil rights.
Afghanistan was begging to turn over Osama to the US - they just needed one shred of evidence. Or, alternatively, they said he could be turned over immediately to a war crimes tribunal. The US didn't want him - they wanted war.
Sadaam SURRENDERED 24 hours before we inavaded. Our response? We dropped a JDAM into the building from which the call came. Yes, he gave up, said we could march in an inspect everything, and we decided it was time to "teach someone a lesson". Well, for the 3000 dead soldiers... who really learned the lesson?
Both wars were unnecessary and CERTAINLY not the last option. This white house just says "fuck diplomacy". NKorea and iran are begging for talks with us. Our reponse? "Fuck you. We'll attack you once we finish these other places".
I can't believe all americans aren't outraged at their inability to even speak with another country in order to prevent deaths. nothing to lose.
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Repubs use lies and fear to get population to give permission for non-necessary wars and reduced civil rights.
That's the liberal montra... don't confuse em like you do everything else.
Afghanistan was begging to turn over Osama to the US - they just needed one shred of evidence. Or, alternatively, they said he could be turned over immediately to a war crimes tribunal. The US didn't want him - they wanted war.
No they weren't. Once again you're "facts" are nothing more than mindless speculation.
Sadaam SURRENDERED 24 hours before we inavaded. Our response? We dropped a JDAM into the building from which the call came. Yes, he gave up, said we could march in an inspect everything, and we decided it was time to "teach someone a lesson". Well, for the 3000 dead soldiers... who really learned the lesson?
After seeing his steadfast defiance for the last 17 years how you can even believe that is beyond me. Oh yeah... you're a lunatic CT monkey, I forgot.
Both wars were unnecessary and CERTAINLY not the last option. This white house just says "f**k diplomacy". NKorea and iran are begging for talks with us. Our reponse? "f**k you. We'll attack you once we finish these other places".
Both wars were necassary... expecially since Bush 1 was too much of a pussy to finish the first job. Thanks for more conjecture though, really helps.
I can't believe all americans aren't outraged at their inability to even speak with another country in order to prevent deaths. nothing to lose.
Wow, more ignorant and false statements... should I be surprised?
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Wow, more ignorant and false statements... should I be surprised?
Have you not researched this? The US refuses to have any contact at all with nations like Iran or N. Korea. When we invade Iran, it will be after ZERO talks. We'll just start bombing one day, and get into a far bigger mess than Iraq is.
I know you're a military man - which makes me think you would value the power of diplomacy so much more, as you have seen how bad war is. If one conversation can prevent a war, why not?
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Wow, more ignorant and false statements... should I be surprised?
Have you not researched this? The US refuses to have any contact at all with nations like Iran or N. Korea. When we invade Iran, it will be after ZERO talks. We'll just start bombing one day, and get into a far bigger mess than Iraq is.
I know you're a military man - which makes me think you would value the power of diplomacy so much more, as you have seen how bad war is. If one conversation can prevent a war, why not?
Yeah retard.. cause past efforts have FAILED! You're like the Carter of Getbig... certainly not a man of action.
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Bush is def smarter than people think.
Psychopath are very intelegent but that dont make them good
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Psychopath are very intelegent but that dont make them good
Bush is a psychopath? Wow.. well ya learn somethin new evryday huh? Gawd.
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brixton, action will take place when we elect a new wave of people who will investigate 9/11, remove US troops from danger, and stop imperialism.
before that can happen, education of about 300 million people has to happen. That is what's taking place when we debate these topics. People reading this will discover "wow, there *are* some serious holes in the 9/11 story" and "wow, Iraq tried to surrender and we started war anyway? Hmmm"
Your idea of action is aggression in a foreign nation. My idea is healing our nation by educating people on the facts.
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Yeah retard.. cause past efforts have FAILED! You're like the Carter of Getbig... certainly not a man of action.
Please list the past efforts to negotiate with N Korea and Iran. Please. I beg you.
(You should research shit before you talk, dude)
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Please list the past efforts to negotiate with N Korea and Iran. Please. I beg you.
(You should research shit before you talk, dude)
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/10/america/NA_GEN_US_NKorea.php
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/09/19/korea.north.talks/index.html
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/06/07/chinoy.koreas/index.html
http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=360&language_id=1
... and after researching even more it has become obvious that it is NORTH KOREA who doesn't want to talk more than anyone else.
http://www.nysun.com/article/44197
http://www.brook.edu/views/interviews/ohanlon/20060601.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/07/bush.blair/index.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/11/news/iran.php
once again 240 you have ignored any information that doesn't support your view. Now please do this country a fovr and kill yourself.
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These nations will only speak with Iran if they stop building nukes.
If you were Iran, and the US had just capped both of your neighbors and needed your persian gulf ports to move out all that oil, would YOU be quite ready to give up your only bargaining chip?
I could give a rats ass about them, and I know your braiwashed ass has labeled everyone an enemy "because your CO told you so". But if you were Iran, would you give up your nukes? Shit, we'd be in that place tomorrow under the pretense of some bullshit. it's their only chip.
Now, we had talks with Russia for 40 years, even as the cold war raged. It kept us out of nuclear war, even. For Bush to say "we have nothing to say to iraq til they guve up all their bargaining power" is unreasonable - no nation under those circumstances would give up the nukes.
(and don't you go labeling me a sympathizer - use your intellect and answer - if you were Iran, would you give up the nukes)
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These nations will only speak with Iran if they stop building nukes.
If you were Iran, and the US had just capped both of your neighbors and needed your persian gulf ports to move out all that oil, would YOU be quite ready to give up your only bargaining chip?
I could give a rats ass about them, and I know your braiwashed ass has labeled everyone an enemy "because your CO told you so". But if you were Iran, would you give up your nukes? Shit, we'd be in that place tomorrow under the pretense of some bullshit. it's their only chip.
Now, we had talks with Russia for 40 years, even as the cold war raged. It kept us out of nuclear war, even. For Bush to say "we have nothing to say to iraq til they guve up all their bargaining power" is unreasonable - no nation under those circumstances would give up the nukes.
(and don't you go labeling me a sympathizer - use your intellect and answer - if you were Iran, would you give up the nukes)
Yeah right, I feel this way cause my CO told me so.... Sure.
I'm in the navy son... no one is brainwashed in my business.
Your arguements are pure speculation as usual. I operate on facts and those things I know to be true. You come up with theories and conjecture. Sheep of the media and the conspiracy hype like yourself have no foundation to your arguements when all you do is speculate, ignore the obvious, and pretend to be objective.
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I'm in the navy son... no one is brainwashed in my business.
You do not know how incredibly naive you sound here. God.
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You do not know how incredibly naive you sound here. God.
That's funny... I was gonna say the same thing about you.
... only it can be said with almost anything you post.
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brix,
it's gonna be a real eye opener for you when 2008 rolls around.
For you to say "I'm in the navy son... no one is brainwashed in my business" is perhaps the most ignorant and blind thing I've ever read here.
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brix,
it's gonna be a real eye opener for you when 2008 rolls around.
For you to say "I'm in the navy son... no one is brainwashed in my business" is perhaps the most ignorant and blind thing I've ever read here.
You've never served. Nor do you probably know anyone who has in any leadership capacity. You don't have a secret or TS clearance. You probably don't know anyone in the military let alone intel or joint staff.
You have 100% zero idea what the hell you speaking of.
Get back to me when any of this has changed.
240 = ignorant and blind among others
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Hail Satan!!! \m/
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You've never served. Nor do you probably know anyone who has in any leadership capacity. You don't have a secret or TS clearance. You probably don't know anyone in the military let alone intel or joint staff.
You have 100% zero idea what the hell you speaking of.
Get back to me when any of this has changed.
240 = ignorant and blind among others
DO YOU?
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I think we as a nation should slow down the rhetoric and consider this.
Who among us on this board wants America to succeed in it's military endeavors?
Who among us on this board does not love this country?
Who among us on this board consider the safety of our nation a moral value?
Who among us on this board want to raise our families in safe schools and neiighborhoods?
Have healthcare, jobs that keep us living a good life?
Who among us on this ,board like or dislike him ,agree that George Bush is Political leader of this country?
This is who we are as people. These are American moral values. We may disagree on other things, but if you agree with the above statements, We are a people who morally value the same BASIC standards of American life.
Sandra
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DO YOU?
Yes.. I can pesonally claim all of those things.
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You've never served. Nor do you probably know anyone who has in any leadership capacity. You don't have a secret or TS clearance. You probably don't know anyone in the military let alone intel or joint staff.
You have 100% zero idea what the hell you speaking of.
Get back to me when any of this has changed.
240 = ignorant and blind among others
*wince* Ouch.
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*wince* Ouch.
Owned
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Yes.. I can pesonally claim all of those things.
you have top secret military clearance and you're bragging about it on message boards?
LMAO...
I guess you can "claim" to be the Queen of England. You can claim to have an IQ greater than 60.
Doesn't make it so.
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you have top secret military clearance and you're bragging about it on message boards?
LMAO...
I guess you can "claim" to be the Queen of England. You can claim to have an IQ greater than 60.
Doesn't make it so.
The fact that I HAVE a TS isn't a secret. ; D
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The fact that I HAVE a TS isn't a secret. ; D
Further proof that he really doesn't know much about the military.
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So being in the armed forces really means you know what's going on? The way you post, it looks as though you can't see between the lines. I guess that makes you an even bigger sheep. ;)
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I agree wholeheartedly to the second sentance. But it won't happen overnight. Our only hoep is to gently push the country in that direction and that is why it is very necassary to support the GOP.
LOL are you smoking crack? Bush and the neocons are stripping away freedoms, which completely goes against libertarian ideals.
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from my very limited experience (father in military,friends and kids of friends currently in the military in Iraq and Afghanistan) the military environment is not exactly conducive to to promoting critical thought. Brainwashed? No but there is certainly a bit of uniformity of thought. Also, the guys in combat zones are working long ass days (I seriously don't know how they do it) and don't exactly that the time to sit around and cogitate on all sides of an argument. Fuck, why would they? They're just trying to stay alive.
240 does not help his case by always being so certain of everything and constantly muddying the waters with the various CT's.
Then again, I guess we can all be thankful that TA doesn't frequent this board (from what I can see)
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from my very limited experience (father in military,friends and kids of friends currently in the military in Iraq and Afghanistan) the military environment is not exactly conducive to to promoting critical thought. Brainwashed? No but there is certainly a bit of uniformity of thought. Also, the guys in combat zones are working long ass days (I seriously don't know how they do it) and don't exactly that the time to sit around and cogitate on all sides of an argument. f**k, why would they? They're just trying to stay alive.
240 does not help his case by always being so certain of everything and constantly muddying the waters with the various CT's.
Then again, I guess we can all be thankful that TA doesn't frequent this board (from what I can see)
People in the army will always choose their own side, even if that side is blatantly out of line. Remember that if they questioned stuff their little bubbles would burst and the very principles they'd be fighting for would be proven false.
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Ideology is not logical
Then again, most of the vets who came back from Iraq who chose to run for Congress ran as Dems (for whatever that's worth)
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People in the army will always choose their own side, even if that side is blatantly out of line. Remember that if they questioned stuff their little bubbles would burst and the very principles they'd be fighting for would be proven false.
Most in the military are very patriotic and see defending their country (whether you believe the reason for war or not) as a duty and service and we should all be thankful they're doing it so we can sit over here and pontificate on the internet.
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So being in the armed forces really means you know what's going on? The way you post, it looks as though you can't see between the lines. I guess that makes you an even bigger sheep. ;)
Yeah okay... way to say nothing.
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LOL are you smoking crack? Bush and the neocons are stripping away freedoms, which completely goes against libertarian ideals.
Ok which freedoms are those? Please name them for me so I can show the reason behind them. And then I'll show you the greater efforts by liberals to destroy your freedoms more than Repubs ever did or will.
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People in the army will always choose their own side, even if that side is blatantly out of line. Remember that if they questioned stuff their little bubbles would burst and the very principles they'd be fighting for would be proven false.
Please, I see people question what we're doing every day at work. Freedom of thought is allowed (almost encouraged) as long as you can still get the job done.
Funny how you call me a sheep but on every board you spout the exact same rhetoric that the mainstream media does everyday. Same with you 240.
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Ideology is not logical
Then again, most of the vets who came back from Iraq who chose to run for Congress ran as Dems (for whatever that's worth)
MAybe from the first Iraq war cause there certainly aren't many of those. And most guys who come back from Iraq end up signing up for 2 or 3 tours total and going back for more. They believe in what we're doing over there. (for what it's worth)
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MAybe from the first Iraq war cause there certainly aren't many of those. And most guys who come back from Iraq end up signing up for 2 or 3 tours total and going back for more. They believe in what we're doing over there. (for what it's worth)
Actually, I was referring to the current Iraq "war": http://www.fighting-dems.com/
I don't know the exact #'s but, from memory, I think of the approximately 50 Iraq vets (current war) who chose to run for Congress all but ~ 2-3 ran as Democrats (which could be for many other reasons than that they believe the Democratic platform - whatever the fuck that is)
I fully agree that most who are there fully believe in what they are doing and why they are doing it.
I'm not sure if they could articulate it though. The kids that I know that are there aren't really interested (or even really aware) of the politics.
For the rest of us:
First it was because Saddam has weapons of mass destruction that he was about to use at any moment. Somewhere along the way this morphed into Saddam was responsible for 9-11
Then it was to give them freedom (while ironically attempting to erode our freedom here at home)
Then it was because Al Quada was in Iraq and if we didn't fight them there we would have to fight them here (the worst reason of all).
Now we're just stuck in the middle of Sunni's and Shia's torturing and killing each other (why? because Mumhamid was dumb enough to die without having a son from what I can tell - although it's probably mostly just revenge for stuff that's happened previously and control of the country and assets).
Military leader acknowledged recently that foreing fighters account for only 2-3% of the forces fighting in the country
Afghanistan is almost a lost cause and basically we (the country and the planet are worse off than we were 5 years ago).
How about the fact that this war is going to bankrupt our country. The entire cost of this war is not even included in the budget.
Our military is spread way too thin and we're actually at a greater risk now because we're unable to respond to other threats
The real problem is that we don't know how to leave without making matters even worse.
Big winner is all of this will most likely be IRAN. Thanks alot GWB
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Ok which freedoms are those? Please name them for me so I can show the reason behind them. And then I'll show you the greater efforts by liberals to destroy your freedoms more than Repubs ever did or will.
Okay. Sounds like a deal.
Warrantless wiretaps. Secret searches we are never informed about. Torture.
Please tell me how liberals have cost us more freedoms than these in the last 6 years.
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Please, I see people question what we're doing every day at work. Freedom of thought is allowed (almost encouraged) as long as you can still get the job done.
The military encourages freedom of thought? hahahahahahaha!
Is that why they discipline soldiers for sending each other 9/11 skeptic links? Is that why your browsers have certain world news links blocked? hahahaha. you are a sucker.
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Actually, I was referring to the current Iraq "war": http://www.fighting-dems.com/
I don't know the exact #'s but, from memory, I think of the approximately 50 Iraq vets (current war) who chose to run for Congress all but ~ 2-3 ran as Democrats (which could be for many other reasons than that they believe the Democratic platform - whatever the f**k that is)
So how many got elected?
I fully agree that most who are there fully believe in what they are doing and why they are doing it.
I'm not sure if they could articulate it though. The kids that I know that are there aren't really interested (or even really aware) of the politics.
For some of us it was a very simple decision to support that effort. Shit was getting really fucked up over there and we had the opportunity and the capability to do something about it. People of pricipal don't puss out because it would mean a serous commitment and little followthrough. Those are things the majority of Americans nowadays (this means you) lack.
For the rest of us:
First it was because Saddam has weapons of mass destruction that he was about to use at any moment. Somewhere along the way this morphed into Saddam was responsible for 9-11
About to use at any moment? If he didn't have them then how was he able to use them against his own people? Please show me how that's possible. Just because we couldn't find them doesn't mean they weren't there in the first place. Once again I can't say what I want to tell everyone because I have a job and a clearance. All I can say is that he DID have them and what happened to them made it impossible to expose where they went without openning a war on another front and comprimising Nat'l security.
Then it was to give them freedom (while ironically attempting to erode our freedom here at home)
Which we did and most Iraqis were extremely supportive of this at the time. Erode our own freedoms? Please, NSA listens to private citizens with links to terrorism. And they can hold suspected terrorists for extended periods of time. OH WHAT A HUGE IMPACT ONMY FREEDOM. Not.
Then it was because Al Quada was in Iraq and if we didn't fight them there we would have to fight them here (the worst reason of all).
So let's see. We're already over there and then Al Queda (or whatever Terrorist group) attacks us. Two choices numnuts... fight or run. I'm sure YOU would run but I would rather see hundreds/thousands of assholes slaughtered today then those same assholes getting the opportunity to kill innocent americans AGAIN tomorrow.
Now we're just stuck in the middle of Sunni's and Shia's torturing and killing each other (why? because Mumhamid was dumb enough to die without having a son from what I can tell - although it's probably mostly just revenge for stuff that's happened previously and control of the country and assets).
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Might as well do the right thing. Do you not understand that these people want you dead and your family dead? And they're not just going to GO AWAY. No it's because Americans are so fat and happy thinking we're untouchable.
Military leader acknowledged recently that foreing fighters account for only 2-3% of the forces fighting in the country
Estimates on this vary. But nice job just choosing the one that supports YOUR opinion.
Afghanistan is almost a lost cause and basically we (the country and the planet are worse off than we were 5 years ago).
Why? Fighting them there with our military is far better than the streets of a major american city with firefighters.
How about the fact that this war is going to bankrupt our country. The entire cost of this war is not even included in the budget.
Yeah right... the USA is about to go bankrupt. Gimmie a fucking break. Get back to me when this happens.
Our military is spread way too thin and we're actually at a greater risk now because we're unable to respond to other threats
No we're not. You greatly underestimate our capabilities of fighting multiple fronts at once.
The real problem is that we don't know how to leave without making matters even worse.
We shouldn't leave until we're finished. That's the point.
Big winner is all of this will most likely be IRAN. Thanks alot GWB
I thank GWB. I'm just glad Kerry or some other flake liberal vagina isn't in charge.
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Okay. Sounds like a deal.
Warrantless wiretaps. Secret searches we are never informed about. Torture.
Please tell me how liberals have cost us more freedoms than these in the last 6 years.
Funny thing is most democrats knew about this years ago and said nothing until election time. I fully support wiretaps on suspected terrorists. What you don't understand is how many people are involved in wire tapping and the amount of authorizations and check are in place to ensure they are warranted and show probable cause.
Secret searches same thing. Although this is way more rare and even more tightly controlled.
Torture? Oh really. And what techniques employed have been anything other than humane? I bet you think tickling someone is torture as long as it makes republicans/bush look bad.
Please, this country doesn't practice severe torture.
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The military encourages freedom of thought? hahahahahahaha!
Is that why they discipline soldiers for sending each other 9/11 skeptic links? Is that why your browsers have certain world news links blocked? hahahaha. you are a sucker.
hahaha... I can access ANY news site from work. I can even access all your backwards ass CT sites. Way to make an ass of yourself.
Did some CT website tell you that? What a fucking idiot.
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Okay. Sounds like a deal.
Warrantless wiretaps. Secret searches we are never informed about. Torture.
Please tell me how liberals have cost us more freedoms than these in the last 6 years.
How bout excessive gun control measures, an attack against the BILL OF RIGHTS.
How bout discouraging and even punishing freedom of religion, especially in our schools, another attack on the BILL OF RIGHTS.
How bout affirmative action? An attack on equal opportunity.
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MAybe from the first Iraq war cause there certainly aren't many of those. And most guys who come back from Iraq end up signing up for 2 or 3 tours total and going back for more. They believe in what we're doing over there. (for what it's worth)
This is interesting to me, from what I read and hear Bush supporters all enthusiastically point out how many soldiers are signing up again for more tours of duty in Iraq because they believe in the cause. And conversely I read and hear from Bush proponents that soldiers are complaining in record numbers and that many are being manipulated into rejoining and that many don't understand or agree with what's going on in Iraq. I also have read that recruiters are having a very hard time finding new recruits and that many recruiters are outright lying to get people enlisted and that people that would have been turned away before are being accepted now.
I don't know exactly what the truth is but I'm pretty sure it lies somewhere in the middle of both points of view.
I'd also be curious to find out the circumstances behind why soldiers do re-enlist or don't re-enlist. Do certain soldiers go back because they want to stay in the Military and make careers? Do some stay because they don't have any other options? Do they stay because they want to liberate Iraq and are behind this war?
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Okay. Sounds like a deal.
Warrantless wiretaps. Secret searches we are never informed about. Torture.
Were you tortured? Your friends? I'm fine with it for those that deserve it.
Please tell me how liberals have cost us more freedoms than these in the last 6 years.
How bout excessive gun control measures, an attack against the BILL OF RIGHTS.
Give me Glocks or give me death.
How bout discouraging and even punishing freedom of religion, especially in our schools, another attack on the BILL OF RIGHTS.
I agree.
How bout affirmative action? An attack on equal opportunity.
Aff action needs to go. It is nothing but a nice sounding quota.
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This is interesting to me, from what I read and hear Bush supporters all enthusiastically point out how many soldiers are signing up again for more tours of duty in Iraq because they believe in the cause. And conversely I read and hear from Bush proponents that soldiers are complaining in record numbers and that many are being manipulated into rejoining and that many don't understand or agree with what's going on in Iraq. I also have read that recruiters are having a very hard time finding new recruits and that many recruiters are outright lying to get people enlisted and that people that would have been turned away before are being accepted now.
Rarer than you think but it DOES happen.
I don't know exactly what the truth is but I'm pretty sure it lies somewhere in the middle of both points of view.
I'd also be curious to find out the circumstances behind why soldiers do re-enlist or don't re-enlist. Do certain soldiers go back because they want to stay in the Military and make careers? Do some stay because they don't have any other options? Do they stay because they want to liberate Iraq and are behind this war?
Most people who join the military end up deciding to try and make a career of it. That is the most common reason. Some DO stay because they feel they have no other options. It's not a job, it's a lifestyle and for most in the service that way of life it where it's at for them. Also, just an interesting fact more and more sailors and airmen that are NOT near the front or deployed are ASKING to be sent to the gulf.
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I'm sorry I can't stop laughing. That was hilarious.
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So how many got elected? No Clue - The point was that most ran as Democrats -try staying focused - maybe up the Ritalin a bit.
For some of us it was a very simple decision to support that effort. Shit was getting really fucked up over there and we had the opportunity and the capability to do something about it. People of pricipal don't puss out because it would mean a serous commitment and little followthrough. Those are things the majority of Americans nowadays (this means you) lack.
Uh - my first thought would be simple mind = simple decision. Nothing about Iraq is or was simple. I'm not quite sure how to unpack your brilliant statement "shit was getting fucked up over there" What does that mean EXACTLY. How was it any more fucked up when we invaded then it was in previous years. Where else should we go next based on your "Fucked Up" Meter???
About to use at any moment? If he didn't have them then how was he able to use them against his own people? Please show me how that's possible. Are serious? Do you know anything? Saddam had chemical weapons because the US sold them to him and we gladly watched him run a little real world experiment for us. You do know that right??? right????
Which we did and most Iraqis were extremely supportive of this at the time. Erode our own freedoms? Please, NSA listens to private citizens with links to terrorism. And they can hold suspected terrorists for extended periods of time. OH WHAT A HUGE IMPACT ONMY FREEDOM. Not. Iraqi's had more freedom under the secular government of Saddam than they do today. Were 3000 Iraqi's being killed each month before the war. Yes - Saddam was an f'ng sadist and killed thousands of people but at nothing near the pace that it's happening today. From your answer I assume that you would be OK if the governement deemed you a terrorist but didn't show you any proof, never charged you of anything and held you indefinitely.
We're already over there and then Al Queda (or whatever Terrorist group) attacks us. You've lost me again. Where did terrorist attack in the US AFTER we went to Iraq. Didn't we get attacked by 19 Saudi's. Shouldn't we have attacked Saudi Arabia. Even today Saudi Arabia is training many more children to hate the US than any other country
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. finally - something we agree on
Might as well do the right thing. What would the "right" thing be EXACTLY?
Do you not understand that these people want you dead and your family dead? Actually I'm neither a Suni nor a Shia. I think it's those parties who want each other dead. They (both Shia and maybe not so much Suni's) want us out of Iraq so they can set up an Islamic theocracy. Since Shia are the majority of the nation they will be a natural ally of Iran - And our soldiers are dying to help them create it and we're (the US taxpayer) is paying for it.
Estimates on this vary. But nice job just choosing the one that supports YOUR opinion. That "estimate" came from US military testifying ~ a week or so ago. I'd find the exact person, quote, date, place but I have a feeling it wouldn't matter much to you anyway. Feel free to show me contrary data
Why? Fighting them there with our military is far better than the streets of a major american city with firefighters Why would our firefighters be doing the fighting????? How would "they" get their huge armies over here to fight in the first place. Do your really truly believe that if we don't fight them in Iraq or Afghanastan that the nefarious "they" will come to the US and be fighting in the streets??? This is the dumbest argument in support of staying in Iraq and it really only works on people who think everything is "simple" If that does happen though we're sure to have hundreds of thousands of guys like you ready to fight them right???
Yeah right... the USA is about to go bankrupt. Gimmie a fucking break. Get back to me when this happens. I would try to explain this to you but as I've said before I think I would have better success trying to show my dog a card trick than helping you to understand this. You probably think we could never go broke becaue all we have to do is keep printing more money. Simple problem - Simple solution right?
No we're not. You greatly underestimate our capabilities of fighting multiple fronts at once. Again, OUR military leaders have raised this point. Being the military guy that you are you understand that you actually need boots on the ground to really take and hold territory.
We shouldn't leave until we're finished. That's the point. What if based on the current strategy we're never finished. I know you think we have infinite $'s to pay for all this but let's assume for now that at some point it gets too expensive to justify continuing - what then? BTW - how will we know when the job is done and we're finished. Please be SPECIFIC
I thank GWB. I'm just glad Kerry or some other flake liberal vagina isn't in charge. I'm not a fan of Kerry but maybe we can get another liberal flake vagina like Wesley Clark. If Bush's dad hadn't been the president then Bush would be running a bait shop in Texas right now. Something that I think you might aspire to someday.
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Brix, you have been outclassed and your argument disassembled.
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For some of us it was a very simple decision to support that effort. Shit was getting really fucked up over there and we had the opportunity and the capability to do something about it. People of pricipal don't puss out because it would mean a serous commitment and little followthrough. Those are things the majority of Americans nowadays (this means you) lack.
Uh - my first thought would be simple mind = simple decision. Nothing about Iraq is or was simple. I'm not quite sure how to unpack your brilliant statement "shit was getting fucked up over there" What does that mean EXACTLY. How was it any more fucked up when we invaded then it was in previous years. Where else should we go next based on your "Fucked Up" Meter???
About to use at any moment? If he didn't have them then how was he able to use them against his own people? Please show me how that's possible. Are serious? Do you know anything? Saddam had chemical weapons because the US sold them to him and we gladly watched him run a little real world experiment for us. You do know that right??? right????
Which we did and most Iraqis were extremely supportive of this at the time. Erode our own freedoms? Please, NSA listens to private citizens with links to terrorism. And they can hold suspected terrorists for extended periods of time. OH WHAT A HUGE IMPACT ONMY FREEDOM. Not. Iraqi's had more freedom under the secular government of Saddam than they do today. We're 3000 Iraqi's being killed each month before the war. Yes - Saddam was an f'ng sadist and killed thousands of people but at nothing near the pace that it's happening today. From your answer I assume that you would be OK if the governement deemed you a terrorist but didn't show you any proof, never charged you of anything and held you indefinitely.
We're already over there and then Al Queda (or whatever Terrorist group) attacks us. You've lost me again. Where did terrorist attack in the US AFTER we went to Iraq. Didn't we get attacked by 19 Saudi's. Shouldn't we have attacked Saudi Arabia. Even today Saudi Arabia is training many more children to hate the US than any other country
Do you not understand that these people want you dead and your family dead? Actually I'm neither a Suni or a Shia. I think it's those parties who want each other dead. They (both Shia and maybe not so much Suni's) want us out of Iraq so they can set up an Islamic theocracy. Since Shia are the majority of the nation they will be a natural ally of Iran - And our soldiers are dying to help them create it and we're (the US taxpayer) is paying for it.
Estimates on this vary. But nice job just choosing the one that supports YOUR opinion. That "estimate" came from US military testifying ~ a week or so ago. I'd find the exact person, quote, date, place but I have a feeling it wouldn't matter much to you anyway. Feel free to show me contrary data
Yeah right... the USA is about to go bankrupt. Gimmie a fucking break. Get back to me when this happens. I would try to explain this to you but as I've said before I think I would have better success trying to show my dog a card trick than helping you to understand this. You probably think we could never go broke becaue all we have to do is keep printing more money. Simple problem - Simple solution right?
No we're not. You greatly underestimate our capabilities of fighting multiple fronts at once. Again, OUR military leaders have raised this point. Being the military guy that you are you understand that you actually need boots on the ground to really take and hold territory.
We shouldn't leave until we're finished. That's the point. What if based on the current strategy we're never finished. I know you think we have infinite $'s to pay for all this but let's assume for now that at some point it gets too expensive to justify continuing - what then? BTW - how will we know when the job is done and we're finished. Please be SPECIFIC
Great points! When points like these have been brought up people like Mr. I simply said "exit, stage right." It'll be interesting and pathetic to see if brixton does the same thing.
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So how many got elected? No Clue - The point was that most ran as Democrats -try staying focused - maybe up the Ritalin a bit.
I wasn't argueing that you were wrong I was asking you a question.
For some of us it was a very simple decision to support that effort. Shit was getting really fucked up over there and we had the opportunity and the capability to do something about it. People of pricipal don't puss out because it would mean a serous commitment and little followthrough. Those are things the majority of Americans nowadays (this means you) lack.
Uh - my first thought would be simple mind = simple decision. Nothing about Iraq is or was simple. I'm not quite sure how to unpack your brilliant statement "shit was getting fucked up over there" What does that mean EXACTLY. How was it any more fucked up when we invaded then it was in previous years. Where else should we go next based on your "Fucked Up" Meter???
Darfur... just an example. You know damn well what I mean. For someone trying to come across as superior why do you need me to explain what was fucked up. ..EVERYTHING. Human rights, martial law, torture, etc. I'm sorry you're too out of touch with your average american to understand. I'll up my vocabulary for ya.
About to use at any moment? If he didn't have them then how was he able to use them against his own people? Please show me how that's possible. Are serious? Do you know anything? Saddam had chemical weapons because the US sold them to him and we gladly watched him run a little real world experiment for us. You do know that right??? right????
When did I say he DIDN"T have chem weapons. I'm sorry I'll stop being so sarcastic in my posts. I was saying he DID have them.
I know and agree. We sat there and let him do it because we chose not to act until he invaded Kuwait. Thank god we didn't wait until he did it again this time.
Which we did and most Iraqis were extremely supportive of this at the time. Erode our own freedoms? Please, NSA listens to private citizens with links to terrorism. And they can hold suspected terrorists for extended periods of time. OH WHAT A HUGE IMPACT ONMY FREEDOM. Not. Iraqi's had more freedom under the secular government of Saddam than they do today. Were 3000 Iraqi's being killed each month before the war. Yes - Saddam was an f'ng sadist and killed thousands of people but at nothing near the pace that it's happening today. From your answer I assume that you would be OK if the governement deemed you a terrorist but didn't show you any proof, never charged you of anything and held you indefinitely.
C'mon... how many cases of that happening have we seen? If someone has associations with terrorists it usually fucking obvious. That's why we wire tap and search.
We're already over there and then Al Queda (or whatever Terrorist group) attacks us. You've lost me again. Where did terrorist attack in the US AFTER we went to Iraq. Didn't we get attacked by 19 Saudi's. Shouldn't we have attacked Saudi Arabia. Even today Saudi Arabia is training many more children to hate the US than any other country
When an insurgency attacked our troops. Where did they come from? Terrorist orgs, iranian militias, etc. You know that.
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. finally - something we agree on
Might as well do the right thing. What would the "right" thing be EXACTLY?
Stay and fight with new leadership. Re examine our strategy. Rally the American people (if that's possible) and support the war and our troops and stay until the jub is finished and iraq has some semblance of stability.
Do you not understand that these people want you dead and your family dead? Actually I'm neither a Suni nor a Shia. I think it's those parties who want each other dead. They (both Shia and maybe not so much Suni's) want us out of Iraq so they can set up an Islamic theocracy. Since Shia are the majority of the nation they will be a natural ally of Iran - And our soldiers are dying to help them create it and we're (the US taxpayer) is paying for it.
I was refering to the terrorist and iranian supported insurgency.
Estimates on this vary. But nice job just choosing the one that supports YOUR opinion. That "estimate" came from US military testifying ~ a week or so ago. I'd find the exact person, quote, date, place but I have a feeling it wouldn't matter much to you anyway. Feel free to show me contrary data
You would do the same if I produced any different. Neither you or I will agree on this.
Why? Fighting them there with our military is far better than the streets of a major american city with firefighters Why would our firefighters be doing the fighting????? How would "they" get their huge armies over here to fight in the first place. Do your really truly believe that if we don't fight them in Iraq or Afghanastan that the nefarious "they" will come to the US and be fighting in the streets??? This is the dumbest argument in support of staying in Iraq and it really only works on people who think everything is "simple" If that does happen though we're sure to have hundreds of thousands of guys like you ready to fight them right???
Terrorists don't need to get a battalion over here. As has happened they only need 20 or so to kill 3000 people. Your thinking that they need to come over here as an army is the dumbest arguement I've heard.
Yeah right... the USA is about to go bankrupt. Gimmie a fucking break. Get back to me when this happens. I would try to explain this to you but as I've said before I think I would have better success trying to show my dog a card trick than helping you to understand this. You probably think we could never go broke becaue all we have to do is keep printing more money. Simple problem - Simple solution right?
Okay insult my intelligence. But when it never happens you'll be left showing your dog card tricks. Feel free to explain.
No we're not. You greatly underestimate our capabilities of fighting multiple fronts at once. Again, OUR military leaders have raised this point. Being the military guy that you are you understand that you actually need boots on the ground to really take and hold territory.
Of course it's a concern but that doesn't mean it has become a problem. This arguement is minor.
We shouldn't leave until we're finished. That's the point. What if based on the current strategy we're never finished. I know you think we have infinite $'s to pay for all this but let's assume for now that at some point it gets too expensive to justify continuing - what then? BTW - how will we know when the job is done and we're finished. Please be SPECIFIC
When the iraqi gov't can hold down rebellions and bring up a substantial police and military presence to keep the peace to a level acceptable to what WE deem necassary to leave.
I thank GWB. I'm just glad Kerry or some other flake liberal vagina isn't in charge. I'm not a fan of Kerry but maybe we can get another liberal flake vagina like Wesley Clark. If Bush's dad hadn't been the president then Bush would be running a bait shop in Texas right now. Something that I think you might aspire to someday.
I'm sure you'd love to think that I'm some redneck from bumfuck, MS who chews tobacco all day at work and all I do is clean guns all day and never pay any attention to anything more substantial, that's fine. I have my own opinion about what kind of human garbage you probably are and the little success you might experience in life as a result of you ass backwards views. The truth is if Bush 1 had finished this job the first time instead of buckling pressure from the left (people like yourself) to stop the Gulf war after 100 hours then we wouldn't have had to go back. Now we went back to deal with the same problems and worthless nonpersons in society like yourself have made bush hating and war hating trendy. Congratulations. I don't care. I don't do what I do or feel as I do to defend your right to be stupid. But I will do these things to defend people that contribute and actually support thier country and livelyhood.
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Brix, you have been outclassed and your argument disassembled.
You are not on a level to make that judgement. We all know where your mind is at.
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Did you honestly just blame Bush Senior's failure in Iraq during Desert Storm on the Democrats?
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Did you honestly just blame Bush Senior's failure in Iraq during Desert Storm on the Democrats?
No he's the one that pussed out. But the opposition didn't help.
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No he's the one that pussed out. But the opposition didn't help.
OK, I was a little worried you were going to go Mr. Intenseone on us and start blaming the Democrats for the failings of the Republicans.
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OK, I was a little worried you were going to go Mr. Intenseone on us and start blaming the Democrats for the failings of the Republicans.
No I do at least TRY to be objective. That was all Bush SR. bitching out. Another example of fearing commitment.
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As I was reading I was thinking how I was going to respond back but then I got to this statement and it just kind of blew my mind for a bit:
I'm sure you'd love to think that I'm some redneck from bumfuck, MS who chews tobacco all day at work and all I do is clean guns all day and never pay any attention to anything more substantial, that's fine. I have my own opinion about what kind of human garbage you probably are and the little success you might experience in life as a result of you ass backwards views.
I have no idea if you're a redneck bumfuck or not. I grew up in Texas and I couldn't give a rat's ass if you 're a redneck or whatever. I don't think of anyone is human garbage. I do think you might be borderline retarded. No offense. I mean that in all sincerity.
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As I was reading I was thinking how I was going to respond back but then I got to this statement and it just kind of blew my mind for a bit:
I'm sure you'd love to think that I'm some redneck from bumfuck, MS who chews tobacco all day at work and all I do is clean guns all day and never pay any attention to anything more substantial, that's fine. I have my own opinion about what kind of human garbage you probably are and the little success you might experience in life as a result of you ass backwards views.
I have no idea if you're a redneck bumfuck or not. I grew up in Texas and I couldn't give a rat's ass if you 're a redneck or whatever. I don't think of anyone is human garbage. I do think you might be borderline retarded. No offense. I mean that in all sincerity.
Sure you do. Please enlighten me as to why you think that so I can show you how wrong you are yet again.
I have taken two IQ test's in my life. The first was when I was about 16 and I scored a 130. the second was about 4 or 5 months ago and I scored a 136. I'll let you look up where mentally disabled falls on that scale.
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no time
don't care
you know it's true
deal with it
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no time
don't care
you know it's true
deal with it
Alrighty then