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I'm shocked. Not.
Poll: Most Americans see lingering racism -- in others
POSTED: 1:02 p.m. EST, December 12, 2006
(CNN) -- Most Americans, white and black, see racism as a lingering problem in the United States, and many say they know people who are racist, according to a new poll.
But few Americans of either race -- just one out of eight -- consider themselves racist.
And experts say racism has evolved from the days of Jim Crow to the point that people may not even recognize it in themselves. (Watch people in a Texas town where blacks are still afraid to stop )
A poll conducted last week by Opinion Research Corp. for CNN indicates that whites and blacks disagree on how serious a problem racial bias is in the United States.
Almost half of black respondents to the poll -- 49 percent -- said racism is a "very serious" problem, while 18 percent of whites shared that view. Forty-eight percent of whites and 35 percent of blacks chose the description "somewhat serious."
Asked if they know someone they consider racist, 43 percent of whites and 48 percent of blacks said yes.
But just 13 percent of whites and 12 percent of blacks consider themselves racially biased.
Professor Jack Dovidio of the University of Connecticut, who has researched racism for more than 30 years, estimates up to 80 percent of white Americans have racist feelings they may not even recognize.
"We've reached a point that racism is like a virus that has mutated into a new form that we don't recognize," Dovidio said.
He added that 21st-century racism is different from that of the past.
"Contemporary racism is not conscious, and it is not accompanied by dislike, so it gets expressed in indirect, subtle ways," he said.
That "stealth" discrimination reveals itself in many different situations.
A three-year undercover investigation by the National Fair Housing Alliance found that real estate agents steered whites away from integrated neighborhoods and steered blacks in to predominantly black neighborhoods.
Racism also can be a factor in getting a job.
Candidates named Emily O'Brien or Neil McCarthy were much more likely to get calls back from potential employers than applicants named Tamika Williams and Jamal Jackson, even though they had the same credentials, according to a study by the University of Chicago.
Racial bias may even determine whether you can flag a cab.
New York Times writer Calvin Sims wrote a recent article about all the cabdrivers that refused to stop for him.
"If a cab passes you by, obviously it is frustrating, it's degrading and it's just really confusing, because this is akin to being in the South and being refused service at a lunch counter, which is what happened in the 60s and 70s," he said.
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The Opinion Research poll shows that blacks and whites disagree on how each race feels about the other.
Asked how many whites dislike blacks, 40 percent of black respondents said "all" or "many." Twenty-six percent of whites chose one of those replies.
On the question of how many blacks dislike whites, 33 percent of blacks said "all" or "many," while 38 percent of whites agreed -- a wash because of the poll's 5 percent margin of error.
About half of black respondents said they had been a victim of discrimination because of their race. A little more than a quarter of whites said they had been victims of racial discrimination.
The poll was based on phone interviews conducted December 5 through Thursday with 1,207 Americans, including 328 blacks and 703 non-Hispanic whites.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/12/racism.poll/index.html
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i'm sick of black people yelling racism every chance they get
i'm sick of pakistani and indian people screaming racism every chance they get and blaming 911
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I think its more black culture than black people that whites have a problem with. If people see a black guy wearing ghetto clothes and talking like a moron/ ebonics, they're more likely to be a bit wary around him even if he's the nicest guy in the world. If a black guy comes into a store wearing jeans and a t-shirt, and talks normally, white people wouldn't think much of it. If blacks want to change racism they need to take responsibility for a large aspect of their culture that promotes an image concious "tough" mentality.
Now i know some people are going to say "oh, well you just want them to be white people and wear white people clothing, and speak like a white person... etc etc etc...."
I am all for black culture, but i do not understand why such a large part of it includes violence and public image.
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I think its more black culture than black people that whites have a problem with. If people see a black guy wearing ghetto clothes and talking like a moron/ ebonics, they're more likely to be a bit wary around him even if he's the nicest guy in the world. If a black guy comes into a store wearing jeans and a t-shirt, and talks normally, white people wouldn't think much of it. If blacks want to change racism they need to take responsibility for a large aspect of their culture that promotes an image concious "tough" mentality.
Now i know some people are going to say "oh, well you just want them to be white people and wear white people clothing, and speak like a white person... etc etc etc...."
I am all for black culture, but i do not understand why such a large part of it includes violence and public image.
That's a big part of it.
Blacks need to stop acting like fvcking idiots.
Whether it's thier culture or not.....It looks, and sounds, stupid and offensive.
Perfect example......i hired a black dude as a helper a few months ago.
So the first day I go to pick him up he comes out of his house looking like fvcking Lil' Jon with the doorag,baseball hat, and idiotic sunglasses. When i told him to take that shit off because it is completely unprofessional he got bent out of shape.
After 2 days of him going "woo-woo.....what's poppin sweetie?" non-stop into his boost phone talking to his "girls", he was done.
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I think its more black culture than black people that whites have a problem with. If people see a black guy wearing ghetto clothes and talking like a moron/ ebonics, they're more likely to be a bit wary around him even if he's the nicest guy in the world. If a black guy comes into a store wearing jeans and a t-shirt, and talks normally, white people wouldn't think much of it. If blacks want to change racism they need to take responsibility for a large aspect of their culture
BINGO!
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I think its more black culture than black people that whites have a problem with. If people see a black guy wearing ghetto clothes and talking like a moron/ ebonics, they're more likely to be a bit wary around him even if he's the nicest guy in the world. If a black guy comes into a store wearing jeans and a t-shirt, and talks normally, white people wouldn't think much of it. If blacks want to change racism they need to take responsibility for a large aspect of their culture that promotes an image concious "tough" mentality.
Now i know some people are going to say "oh, well you just want them to be white people and wear white people clothing, and speak like a white person... etc etc etc...."
I am all for black culture, but i do not understand why such a large part of it includes violence and public image.
only american (most not all) are stuck in the ebonics culture...
the rest of the black world isn't like that... most Africans talk proper and dress proper and actually have impeccable taste. Most Africans dont associate with american blacks..
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only american (most not all) are stuck in the ebonics culture...
the rest of the black world isn't like that... most Africans talk proper and dress proper and actually have impeccable taste. Most Africans dont associate with american blacks..
oh, you are completely correct. I'm always amazed at the way white people respond to a black person with a british accent. Its so substantially different to the way that they would respond to your average black person. Its amazing.
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oh, you are completely correct. I'm always amazed at the way white people respond to a black person with a british accent. Its so substantially different to the way that they would respond to your average black person. Its amazing.
i did my O and A levels at a brit skool
i had a heavy one when i moved to the US
most americans expect brownies to sound like apu lol...
my emglish accentl is almost gone..except when i'm drunk or angry... :-\
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only american (most not all) are stuck in the ebonics culture...
the rest of the black world isn't like that... most Africans talk proper and dress proper and actually have impeccable taste. Most Africans dont associate with american blacks..
It's a shame a lot of nice and hard working Africans have to be put into the same mold as African Americans. It's unfortunate that a lot of Africans come to the states and fall under the influence of the whole hip-hop garbage.
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The Opinion Research poll shows that blacks and whites disagree on how each race feels about the other.
Asked how many whites dislike blacks, 40 percent of black respondents said "all" or "many." Twenty-six percent of whites chose one of those replies.
On the question of how many blacks dislike whites, 33 percent of blacks said "all" or "many," while 38 percent of whites agreed -- a wash because of the poll's 5 percent margin of error.
About half of black respondents said they had been a victim of discrimination because of their race. A little more than a quarter of whites said they had been victims of racial discrimination.
These results don't surprise me much. Did they say why each group felt this way? ::)
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So the first day I go to pick him up he comes out of his house looking like fvcking Lil' Jon with the doorag,baseball hat, and idiotic sunglasses. When i told him to take that shit off because it is completely unprofessional he got bent out of shape.
After 2 days of him going "woo-woo.....what's poppin sweetie?" non-stop into his boost phone talking to his "girls", he was done.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!
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Perfect example......i hired a black dude as a helper a few months ago.
So the first day I go to pick him up he comes out of his house looking like fvcking Lil' Jon with the doorag,baseball hat, and idiotic sunglasses. When i told him to take that shit off because it is completely unprofessional he got bent out of shape.
After 2 days of him going "woo-woo.....what's poppin sweetie?" non-stop into his boost phone talking to his "girls", he was done.
Why would you even give a chance to a jackass like that to begin with? It's shit like that and affirmative action that decrease economic equity by giving morons chances.
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Geez...I can remember saying all these things and being called a...what's the word?
You guys all bring up valid points that people really need to accept for Americans to understand each other.
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Who doesn't love spooks, spics, yommers, nips and kikes? I know I do! ::)
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Who doesn't love spooks, spics, yommers, nips and kikes? I know I do! ::)
Haha. I know Chris Rock does.
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Haha. I know Chris Rock does.
hahahaha yes! I forgot sand nigs by the way. :o
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Why would you even give a chance to a jackass like that to begin with? It's shit like that and affirmative action that decrease economic equity by giving morons chances.
"give a chance" y'now?
It was a favor to a friend, but that only goes so far.
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you know, not all black people are from the ghetto. Even for some of us that are, we are educated and speak English quite well. The funny thing is how the whole rap/hip hop culture has inundated the globe.
Like it or not young people from many nations are emulating the hip hop culture.
I love the hip hop culture, but I don't wear my clothes baggy unless Im working out. I don't get my done with fake weaves or nails 4 inches long.
Even the when David Dinkins was Mayor of NYC, he passed over by cab drivers.
Some people have automatic presumptions about a person because of the color of their skin.
That goes for all of the races.
Sandra
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I love the hip hop culture
Why?
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Why?
Seriously...
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I see lingering racism in myself ;)
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I think there is lots of racism, but I feel it's more blacks hating whites than the other way around.
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Why?
That is the culture I grew up in before it became all about "the bitches,the bricks, the benjis, gangbanging, "etc
You would go to a neighborhood park where a DJ plugged his equipment into a streetlight outlet...two turntables and a microphone. People would show up dance, laugh and have a great time.
Believe it or not, there are still groups out there that aren't all about that.
Wycleff jean and Dwele are two artists that come to mind.
Hip hop culture is a genre where people who had nothing turned it into something and made the world stand up and take notice.
I don't agree with all of it, but there is good and bad in everything.
Sandra
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That's a big part of it.
Blacks need to stop acting like fvcking idiots.
Whether it's thier culture or not.....It looks, and sounds, stupid and offensive.
Perfect example......i hired a black dude as a helper a few months ago.
So the first day I go to pick him up he comes out of his house looking like fvcking Lil' Jon with the doorag,baseball hat, and idiotic sunglasses. When i told him to take that shit off because it is completely unprofessional he got bent out of shape.
After 2 days of him going "woo-woo.....what's poppin sweetie?" non-stop into his boost phone talking to his "girls", he was done.
HAHAHA...Was he wearing a Grill too?
What's poppin sweetie?! classic...
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Im reading this getting mad as hell. There is a phrase (im not sure where we got it from) "perception is reality" . I went to an ALL black College, MOREHOUSE. 3000 Black men. No one talked like that baffonary you see on the flava flav show. But dignified blacks are not what you wanna see when you turn on the tv. Because dignity was the last thing that was light blacks were to be shown in. Shit like "birth of a nation" "amos and andy" cemented americas view of blacks and what there place was. Now there are many dignified blacks but not many on TV. And the TV is what shapes americans minds (blacks and whites) oh what blacks should be like. Just my opinion. Could be wrong.
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perception is reality and also the reason a guy like Al Sharten should not be allowed to begin any demostrations. For instance, currently there is a case in Nyc that involves a car of 5 black men getting shot 50 times and killing one by the cops. The fact that Al Sharpten is leaving out during his tirades is that 2 of the 4 shooting offices are BLACK and the 1 cop out of it was in the patrol car and female. After the Tawana Brawley case years back that guy should not even be accepted by the respectable people in the black communities. Because "perception is reality" and sharpton is a perfect example of how to use that to his advantage.
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Why?
That is the culture I grew up in before it became all about "the bitches,the bricks, the benjis, gangbanging, "etc
You would go to a neighborhood park where a DJ plugged his equipment into a streetlight outlet...two turntables and a microphone. People would show up dance, laugh and have a great time.
Believe it or not, there are still groups out there that aren't all about that.
Wycleff jean and Dwele are two artists that come to mind.
Hip hop culture is a genre where people who had nothing turned it into something and made the world stand up and take notice.
I don't agree with all of it, but there is good and bad in everything.
Sandra
I see your point. The old school rap and R & B, for example, were good. Kurtis Blow was good. The Fat Boys. Run DMC. They preceded the current money/drug/misogynist themes that permeate the modern hip hop music. They've gone from rapping about basketball and talking too much, to sex, money, and abuse of women.
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Im reading this getting mad as hell. There is a phrase (im not sure where we got it from) "perception is reality" . I went to an ALL black College, MOREHOUSE. 3000 Black men. No one talked like that baffonary you see on the flava flav show. But dignified blacks are not what you wanna see when you turn on the tv. Because dignity was the last thing that was light blacks were to be shown in. Shit like "birth of a nation" "amos and andy" cemented americas view of blacks and what there place was. Now there are many dignified blacks but not many on TV. And the TV is what shapes americans minds (blacks and whites) oh what blacks should be like. Just my opinion. Could be wrong.
The media plays a HUGE role. When social issues arise that involve race you will see a member of the hip hop culture sitting on a panel, but not a Morehouse student. The media plays the race card on a regular basis.
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I see your point. The old school rap and R & B, for example, were good. Kurtis Blow was good. The Fat Boys. Run DMC. They preceded the current money/drug/misogynist themes that permeate the modern hip hop music. They've gone from rapping about basketball and talking too much, to sex, money, and abuse of women.
Exactly..I hate rap today. I listen to wu-tang and rakim. This crap is awful. Some people should have never been granted the ability to speak. But i dont know who to blame. Im black and i hate this crap but i was raised to frown on that crap. Some were raised to get it by any means necessary. You feel me. Like thats all they know and they cant see how much they are effecting. Its the same with KKK children. If this is what they have been taught and its all they know then you cant blame them.
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Exactly..I hate rap today. I listen to wu-tang and rakim. This crap is awful. Some people should have never been granted the ability to speak. But i dont know who to blame. Im black and i hate this crap but i was raised to frown on that crap. Some were raised to get it by any means necessary. You feel me. Like thats all they know and they cant see how much they are effecting. Its the same with KKK children. If this is what they have been taught and its all they know then you cant blame them.
I agree. I cannot listen to that stuff either.
Big Mal have you seen the Eyes on the Prize documentary? If not, I highly recommend it. It's a history of the Civil Rights Movement. Very well done. One of the profound things from that series is how articulate young blacks were in the 60s and 70s. They still are, but they're not the ones in front of the microphone often enough. Half the time the media will run to an athlete who cannot put two complete sentences together before they will talk to an educated minority.
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right. Like Mike Tyson was a good fighter but he had no reason to talk on a mic. BEcause he is representing more than himself. Because of people like him i have to work extra hard to present our race as more than aspiring rappers, athletes or drug dealers.
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Nobody should care about racism as a serious issue anymore because much of the media love to report on it and go on and on about what racism is and how bad it looks or how justified it might be. If anyone wants to say that racism is OK when they are violent perpetrators or even become real killers, then be honest about that and don't pretend to say that violent racism is incorrect,
I wasn't surprised to see the "hollywood act" that was on cnn the last two nights talking about racism in such a recycled way as usual.
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Im reading this getting mad as hell. There is a phrase (im not sure where we got it from) "perception is reality" . I went to an ALL black College, MOREHOUSE. 3000 Black men. No one talked like that baffonary you see on the flava flav show. But dignified blacks are not what you wanna see when you turn on the tv. Because dignity was the last thing that was light blacks were to be shown in. Shit like "birth of a nation" "amos and andy" cemented americas view of blacks and what there place was. Now there are many dignified blacks but not many on TV. And the TV is what shapes americans minds (blacks and whites) oh what blacks should be like. Just my opinion. Could be wrong.
The problem is also the fact that there is a large division within the african american community. Your views could be labeled as elitism. I know many blacks out there would say that your views are only because you "got a chance" to go to college, go to school or receive education at a higher level at all. You can't have half of one group of people telling the truth about the problems only to have the other half saying that their respective views are wrong due to socio-economic status. The problem needs to be solved from the inside out, not the outside in. And i think you are wrong when saying that black people acting stupid is what we want/ expect to see on TV. I respect and LOOK FORWARD to watching Steven A. Smith, Michael Wilbon, Colin Powel, Condi Rice (poor gal), Barak Obama, Dennis Richmond, Al Sharpton (he owned everyone at the presidential candidate roundtable back in '04)... and the list goes on. I know i never want to turn on the TV and see stuff like flava flav (effects of crack anyone??) or Joey Porters misogynistic rant (http://boston-college-football.aolsportsblog.com/2006/12/08/you-cant-say-that-joey-porter/) because A) its not good for the public perception of african americans/blacks, and B) it perpetuates the stereotype(s) that you and I have referenced. Joey Porter could have kept his mouth shut, but he instead had to put his "manhood" out there for all to see, to let everyone know how tough he was, and what did he do exactly?? Well, he made himself look like a jackass, and now there are dumbass rednecks in arkansas saying, "ya see, ya see ya see!! born a n****r, dies a n****r! money don't change a thing!" And here's another aspect of this. There are members amongst the black community who probably think he's a badass for putting his "mind" out there, and yet they're talking about him and not the understated, yet best player in the league, Ladanian Tomlinson. DO we see a problem here???
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One point about all this is that a example such as Reverend Jesse should be used to expose and embarass him since happy Jesse is one out of the many race hustlers like Howard Stern and others on the opposite end of the color spectrum such as the rabble-rouser rappers and black entertainers like Jimi blackFoxx who use the topic concerning "the R-word" for their good comedy.
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The problem is also the fact that there is a large division within the african american community. Your views could be labeled as elitism. I know many blacks out there would say that your views are only because you "got a chance" to go to college, go to school or receive education at a higher level at all. You can't have half of one group of people telling the truth about the problems only to have the other half saying that their respective views are wrong due to socio-economic status. The problem needs to be solved from the inside out, not the outside in. And i think you are wrong when saying that black people acting stupid is what we want/ expect to see on TV. I respect and LOOK FORWARD to watching Steven A. Smith, Michael Wilbon, Colin Powel, Condi Rice (poor gal), Barak Obama, Dennis Richmond, Al Sharpton (he owned everyone at the presidential candidate roundtable back in '04)... and the list goes on. I know i never want to turn on the TV and see stuff like flava flav (effects of crack anyone??) or Joey Porters misogynistic rant (http://boston-college-football.aolsportsblog.com/2006/12/08/you-cant-say-that-joey-porter/) because A) its not good for the public perception of african americans/blacks, and B) it perpetuates the stereotype(s) that you and I have referenced. Joey Porter could have kept his mouth shut, but he instead had to put his "manhood" out there for all to see, to let everyone know how tough he was, and what did he do exactly?? Well, he made himself look like a jackass, and now there are dumbass rednecks in arkansas saying, "ya see, ya see ya see!! born a n****r, dies a n****r! money don't change a thing!" And here's another aspect of this. There are members amongst the black community who probably think he's a badass for putting his "mind" out there, and yet they're talking about him and not the understated, yet best player in the league, Ladanian Tomlinson. DO we see a problem here???
I can all the way dig what you are saying. I did want to clarify the fact that yes i went to college but i had the same chances that most blacks have. Im from south central los anges (78th and normandie 1 block from where the LA riots started) i went to public school my whole life. My high school was probably the worst in Los Angeles (washington high). I wasnt given any extra anything. I just wanted to clear that up
I do agree it is a problem that needs to be solved from the inside out. Thats what scares me the most.
The reason i say the general public wants to see baffonary is because of the demand for it. sponsors make it popular for fools like flave to be on tv...let me get this straight....chuck D has an hour radio heard by virtually no one (air america) but Flave gets a national T.V show. Dude are you serious.
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I can all the way dig what you are saying. I did want to clarify the fact that yes i went to college but i had the same chances that most blacks have. Im from south central los anges (78th and normandie 1 block from where the LA riots started) i went to public school my whole life. My high school was probably the worst in Los Angeles (washington high). I wasnt given any extra anything. I just wanted to clear that up
I do agree it is a problem that needs to be solved from the inside out. Thats what scares me the most.
The reason i say the general public wants to see baffonary is because of the demand for it. sponsors make it popular for fools like flave to be on tv...let me get this straight....chuck D has an hour radio heard by virtually no one (air america) but Flave gets a national T.V show. Dude are you serious.
well, here is another big issue you have brought up. You say you came from the dreggs of society and the worst of its public school system. yet somehow, you made it. I commend you for this. my girlfriend came from ghetto santa ana (her neighbors ate cats and her windows were shot out on more than one occasion), went to horrible schools and ended up with a degree in psychology and two minors from UCSD (top 5 psych school is the nation btw). She watched reverse gentrification in her neighborhood as every white family moved out on her block leaving her family the lone white one amongst entirely mexicans. she saw the school system continually decline, along with property values. her family had no money, she was the youngest of 8. But she made the system work for her. Sure, she has boatloads of school debt, but she still has the earning power (aka "a degree") to pay it off. I am assuming you are or were in a similar situation. Now, many WHITE and black liberal leaders will say that you or her are an "abberation" or a lone example of how one can succeed, but that for the most part its impossible. this leads me to believe that the political leaders have lost faith in most minorities abilities to learn at all. i went to a "presitigious" public high school in norcal. the teachers were crap, really really crap. it was all hype. the parents did homework for the spoiled kids, and the kids that weren;t spoiled and had to learn stuff had to read the texts and teach themselves, cuz teachers, no matter where you go, are crappy. Occasionaly you'll get a good one, but not consistently. Why this doesn't happen more in and amongst black schools is beyond me. You did it, why can't others??? I have no answers for this, because i KNOW that black people are just as smart as white people or asians or mexicans or indians or whatever. I would like to hear your views on this.
Problems i see on a consistent basis amongst the black community:
Fiscal irresponsibility amongst the black community: rims, bling, grills, tvs in the car... why does all wealth have to be shown?? studies show that black people spend more frivolous money than any other minority, yet make the least amount of money. whats up with this????
Parental irresponsibility: how many kids don't have a daddy??
Scholastic irresponsibility: at what point in a childhood is the message sent that school is not the be all end all that it is. It may not be direct, but its being sent out by parents or adults who talk around the kids.
Machismo: The brawn behind the bling. the constant "i'll show you" attitude that leads to almost everything stupid done in the black community. If you get "owned" in south central, you retaliate by shooting. why are pride and hubris so important and detrimental to the black community in particular?? why can't people just walk away? is it the thinking that "if you don't have anything else, you have to stand up for yourself at all costs, regardless of the potential detriment to one's future self?"
Now i know that this sounds a bit inflammatory, and it is, but its intended to be provocative for discussion. I have done research papers on this for school and was on many occasions labeled "potentially racist" for asking the questions that needed to be asked. and who came to my defense?? the black students in my class. i found that quite telling.
haha, by the way, my very white brother used to play in a gospel band (he played keys) around the area you grew up in. He took me to his buddies house and while we waited on the porch we were getting mugged at by people left and right. Once his buddy answered the door he yelled at them that we were cool musicians and to "get back to getting high and wasting your time!" it was funny. my brother also played at a church and afterwards all the little kids were staring at him cuz they'd never seen a white person "so close." True stuff man.
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some reference material:
http://www.radford.edu/~junnever/bw.htm
http://bpdupdateonline.bizland.com/spring2001/id11.html
http://www.lenzine.com/census/index.php
http://www.magazine.org/content/files/market_profile_black.pdf
This one is very important:
http://www.targetmarketnews.com/BuyingPower04.htm
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