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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Farkenell on December 14, 2006, 12:07:57 PM
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Does anyone believe that costumes be excluded/included from the Olympia. And stage behaviour meet a standard also?
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Yes no one wants to see Lee with gay ass super man boots on, sorry Lee but it's the truth.
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Yes no one wants to see Lee with gay ass super man boots on, sorry Lee but it's the truth.
LOL
Good costumes, yes. Bad costumes, no. >:(
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ALL costumes/Props are banned from the IFBB competition stage starting at the 2007 Ironman.
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ALL costumes/Props are banned from the IFBB competition stage starting at the 2007 Ironman.
Are you happy about that Bob?
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Good. Bodybuilding should go back to the formal structure it had in the late 80's, early 90's. No dancing on stage, costumes. Just posing.
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ALL costumes/Props are banned from the IFBB competition stage starting at the 2007 Ironman.
Yahoo well done chickster!!!
now for those glittery posing trunks and the pop-lock posing routines...
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Good. Bodybuilding should go back to the formal structure it had in the late 80's, early 90's. No dancing on stage, costumes. Just posing.
No sh!t i've been saying this for freaking years on here...
bodybuilding is a weird sport and you gotta play it straight to get any cred...
george butler had the right idea with the "body as art" angle in the 70's but everyone forgot about it and screwed it up...
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ALL costumes/Props are banned from the IFBB competition stage starting at the 2007 Ironman.
Chick I thought they were already banned? and the IFBB should ban wrongs I mean male thongs.
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No sh!t i've been saying this for freaking years on here...
bodybuilding is a weird sport and you gotta play it straight to get any cred...
george butler had the right idea with the "body as art" angle in the 70's but everyone forgot about it and screwed it up...
Yeah, it's a joke. Even awarding competitors extra points for being able to do the splits- WTF is with that, this isn't a flexibility contest, it's not about whta you can do, it's how you look.
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Chick I thought they were already banned? and the IFBB should ban wrongs I mean male thongs.
stop reading the Pro League rulebook ND nobody else does!
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stop reading the Pro League rulebook ND nobody else does!
LOL
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Are you happy about that Bob?
I should be happy about it...I'm the one who submitted to have the rules enforced on it.
Yes, it is in the rulebook, but as everyone knows...the rule has been softened up over the years.
Let the PDI look like clowns...
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Let the PDI look like clowns...
You were saying?
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I've been planning on submitting legislation on banning Bob-O from wearing any sequin studded blouses.
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I'm with bob on this one... good job
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good riddance and the thong should be next
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good riddance and the thong should be next
Dude that's the grossest thing I've ever heard! they needs to wear something
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bodybuilding is a weird sport and you gotta play it straight to get any cred...
If you want "cred" choose another "sport."
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If you want "cred" choose another "sport."
Nothing wrong with trying to fix it so it gains cred, BayGBM.
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Good. Bodybuilding should go back to the formal structure it had in the late 80's, early 90's. No dancing on stage, costumes. Just posing.
Nothing wrong with dancing - it's still posing. It'd be boring if every routine was done to a certain style of music or posing. No reason to ban thongs either, as the glutes are muscles and you'd be hiding them with fullbottoms.
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Nothing wrong with dancing - it's still posing. It'd be boring if every routine was done to a certain style of music or posing. No reason to ban thongs either, as the glutes are muscles and you'd be hiding them with fullbottoms.
It's a bodybuilding contest- dancing isn't posing. Posing is flexing the muscles in ap articulr position- dancing is just moving your body along to the music. Transitions are fine, and should be included, but full out pop-and-lock? ???
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Nothing wrong with trying to fix it so it gains cred, BayGBM.
Gains cred with who? Life is a lot less complicated when you stop trying to win the approval of other people. Just ask Ted Haggard... Oh wait! Nevermind! :-X
Seriously, it's not as if Lee in boots is driving people away from bodybuilding. As both industry and spectacle, bodybuilding has its share of problems but costumes are not among them. Some of you are taking this way too seriously. We're talking about grown men in thongs posing to music to an audience of cheering men. ::)
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I should be happy about it...I'm the one who submitted to have the rules enforced on it.
Yes, it is in the rulebook, but as everyone knows...the rule has been softened up over the years.
Let the PDI look like clowns...
CAN'T HELP YOURSELF WITH A PDI JAB...GOOD BOY NOW ROLL OVER BELLY RUB......GROW UP :)
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It's a bodybuilding contest- dancing isn't posing. Posing is flexing the muscles in ap articulr position- dancing is just moving your body along to the music. Transitions are fine, and should be included, but full out pop-and-lock? ???
There's no textbook way to pose. Popping and locking is flexing the muscles in different positions. See a Darrem Charles routine. He's flexing constantly. Either way, there shouldn't be a rule to tell people how to pose.
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I should be happy about it...I'm the one who submitted to have the rules enforced on it.
Yes, it is in the rulebook, but as everyone knows...the rule has been softened up over the years.
Let the PDI look like clowns...
Didn't Coleman dress as something in last years O. We are all proud of you for submitting this rull Chic. Where would the IFBB be without you. ::)
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Gains cred with who? Life is a lot less complicated when you stop trying to win the approval of other people. Just ask Ted Haggard... Oh wait! Nevermind! :-X
Seriously, it's not as if Lee in boots is driving people away from bodybuilding. As both industry and spectacle, bodybuilding has its share of problems but costumes are not among them. Some of you are taking this way too seriously. We're talking about grown men in thongs posing to music to an audience of cheering men. ::)
gaining cred with the long term true fans who remember when going to a show was about muscle plain and simple...
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CAN'T HELP YOURSELF WITH A PDI JAB...GOOD BOY NOW ROLL OVER BELLY RUB......GROW UP :)
have fun with the fairies over there lee... the PDI is positioning itself as the premier gay bbing federation as we speak...
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I think costumes are kinda neat.
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CAN'T HELP YOURSELF WITH A PDI JAB...GOOD BOY NOW ROLL OVER BELLY RUB......GROW UP :)
Grow up? You're the one dressing up like superman and you're telling ME to grow up?? lol....
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Back in the day they didn't even get to choose music so as long as they can still do that it's fine with me. Thing I havn't been liking is in some contest you see more dancing then posing during the POSING routine, contumes also tend to cover up or draw attention away from the physique, I mean really Lee had a god damn "S" on his crotch with high boots, Kamali had forearm guards, Troy Alves a predator mask... where does it end with these stupid costumes.
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I should be happy about it...I'm the one who submitted to have the rules enforced on it.
Yes, it is in the rulebook, but as everyone knows...the rule has been softened up over the years.
Let the PDI look like clowns...
Which athletes wanted this rule to be enforced? Were there many who asked you to do this for them as athelete's rep?
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gaining cred with the long term true fans who remember when going to a show was about muscle plain and simple...
The truth is those "long term true fans" don't matter in the sense that the industry depends on bringing in new (young) people not retaining old ones. Sure there is a small percentage of maturing fans that will stay with the sport, but most old fans are expected to fade away (especially in terms of paying to attend shows and buying supplements). Compare the number of 50 and 60 year olds at your gym with the number of teenagers and twentysomethings.
The industry depends on brining in new young people whom are naive enough to spend money on all the supplements and buy (literally) into the hype and entertainment. Music is a part of that, as are costumes, and whatever else they can come up with. They will continue to experiment until they find things that bring in new younger fans with money to spend. Music was an experiment at one piont. It worked and they kept it. Costumes are another experiment...
Longing for the good old days leaves you in the Iron age. And how many people do you see on ironage.us compared to getbig.com
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Grow up? You're the one dressing up like superman and you're telling ME to grow up?? lol....
i think chickobaba and lee need to do a workout together, but with extremely thick bars.
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I should be happy about it...I'm the one who submitted to have the rules enforced on it.
Yes, it is in the rulebook, but as everyone knows...the rule has been softened up over the years.
Let the PDI look like clowns...
Good move Chick. I think the costumes ruin the presentation of shows. Ronnie dressed as Moses was just a joke, how can anyone take this sport seriously if athletes are going to dress up as terd burgulars. The NOC a few years back was also a joke with many athletes looking like guttertrash.
You dont see the lifters at the Olympics wearing costumes.
I think the athletes behaviour and attitude on stage meet a standard also. Toney Freeman at the Olympia approached the crowd with a scowl and a foul attitude in my opinion. He was looking at the crowd like they backed into his car.
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How can you compare Olympic lifters to BodyBuilders?
Two different animals. Lifters are about power and strength. BodyBuilding is about hypertrophy of the muscles.
Why again isn't bodybuilding in the Olympics?
Sandra
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I think the athletes behaviour and attitude on stage meet a standard also. Toney Freeman at the Olympia approached the crowd with a scowl and a foul attitude in my opinion. He was looking at the crowd like they backed into his car.
Your complaint amounts to "I didn't like the expression on his face." Are you serious? Maybe you need a new hobby. ::)
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bayGBM: what is your estimate of gay% at bodybuilding shows?
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Toney Freeman at the Olympia approached the crowd with a scowl and a foul attitude in my opinion. He was looking at the crowd like they backed into his car.
Would you prefer him running around jumping up and down with a smile on his face like Richard Simmons. Get real he is 6'2 almost 300lbs, I think he was just trying to look intimidating (note the double edged axe and executioners mask ::)) not like a 5'5 200lbs super man costume wearing guy we all know.
(http://www.graphicmuscle.com/photos/730/Men/RH9K3807.jpg)
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There's no textbook way to pose. Popping and locking is flexing the muscles in different positions. See a Darrem Charles routine. He's flexing constantly. Either way, there shouldn't be a rule to tell people how to pose.
I guess. I have no intelligent response to this.
So I'll just say, I don't like it and I think they should stick to more dignified posing routines ;D
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Anyone have a pic of Ronnie's Moses outfit at the 07 olympia?...looked like a 3rd grade christmas paegent costume...
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Would you prefer him running around jumping up and down with a smile on his face like Richard Simmons. Get real he is 6'2 almost 300lbs, I think he was just trying to look intimidating (note the double edged axe and executioners mask ::)) not like a 5'5 200lbs super man costume wearing guy we all know.
That looks sick! I got no problem with something like that. It's only hiding a part of the inner chest and traps. Hey Mike, I take it you don't like Lee.
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bayGBM: what is your estimate of gay% at bodybuilding shows?
That depends on how you define gay. I see three groups:
• guys that self identify as gay (they can be effeminate or regular dudes) and they are comfortable with themselves.
• guys that engage in homsexual behavior but do not identify themselves as gay even though they regularly hook up with men. Think Ted Haggard--who still denys that he's gay.
• guys that are deeply closeted, conflicted, never identify as gay, and wrestle with their identity for years. They often hate openly gay men. They may or may not engage in man to man contact or gay porn. They satisfy their impulses with socially acceptable forms of homoeroticism--such as bodybuilding.
I think you’ll find all three among the fans of bodybuilding to different degrees. As for entire percentage of all three? Who can say? I can say that without gay men, the sport of bodybuilding would not exist.
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Thank god the costumes are gone.
Could you imagine Sergio Oliva in a Popeye costume or ...
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That looks sick! I got no problem with something like that. It's only hiding a part of the inner chest and traps. Hey Mike, I take it you don't like Lee.
Well I am not a big fan of him or his physique but he is a damn good BBer and doesn't show up looking like shit like other pros tend to do on ocassion, I just really thought his costume was boderline gay and not needed on an I.F.B.B. stage.
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That’s why I stopped going to shows. Got sick of the ‘gay fantasia’ costumes and the male stripper dancing.
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I think what Ronnie did this past year was stupid. Why did he get more time then anyone els. and the whole Bruce buffer thing not cool.
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Grow up? You're the one dressing up like superman and you're telling ME to grow up?? lol....
lol nice comeback ;D
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That depends on how you define gay. I see three groups:
• guys that self identify as gay (they can be effeminate or regular dudes) and they are comfortable with themselves.
• guys that engage in homosexual behavior but do not identify themselves as gay even though they regularly hook up with men. Think Ted Haggard--who still denys that he's gay.
• guys that are deeply closeted, conflicted, never identify as gay, and wrestle with their identity for years. They often hate openly gay men. They may or may not engage in man to man contact or gay porn. They satisfy their impulses with socially acceptable forms of homoeroticism--such as bodybuilding.
I think you’ll find all three among the fans of bodybuilding to different degrees. As for entire percentage of all three? Who can say? I can say that without gay men, the sport of bodybuilding would not exist.
agree with the first two, but don't think the third exists as you describe. I think there are a small percentage of hetero men who still need strong male role models to emulate and admire, because they were neglected/ignored in one way or another from Dad, but I do not think they have any significant gay sexual impulses that would categorize then as gay. Their anger and homophobia is a related to Dads neglect and phsycological "castration". Leaving them never feeling like real men. They hate that part of themselves thus hate anything perceived as "gay" or less than manly.
Also don't agree that the sport would not exists without gays, that is an overly self important gay centric point of view.
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If you want "cred" choose another "sport."
Who is this Conan or Shredder, or what the hell it is? :o
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agree with the first two, but don't think the third exists as you describe. I think there are a small percentage of hetero men who still need strong male role models to emulate and admire, because they were neglected/ignored in one way or another from Dad, but I do not think they have any significant gay sexual impulses that would categorize then as gay. Their anger and homophobia is a related to Dads neglect and phsycological "castration". Leaving them never feeling like real men. They hate that part of themselves thus hate anything perceived as "gay" or less than manly.
Also don't agree that the sport would not exists without gays, that is an overly self important gay centric point of view.
Are you kidding? The third one absolutely exists...you can find a great deal of them right here on this website...just look at how many posts have gay references in it.
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I should be happy about it...I'm the one who submitted to have the rules enforced on it.
Yes, it is in the rulebook, but as everyone knows...the rule has been softened up over the years.
Let the PDI look like clowns...
Good work and thank you on behalf of all the fans!
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agree with the first two, but don't think the third exists as you describe. I think there are a small percentage of hetero men who still need strong male role models to emulate and admire, because they were neglected/ignored in one way or another from Dad, but I do not think they have any significant gay sexual impulses that would categorize then as gay. Their anger and homophobia is a related to Dads neglect and phsycological "castration". Leaving them never feeling like real men. They hate that part of themselves thus hate anything perceived as "gay" or less than manly.
Also don't agree that the sport would not exists without gays, that is an overly self important gay centric point of view.
I think you'll lose if you are debating against Bay on ths subject
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Are you kidding? The third one absolutely exists...you can find a great deal of them right here on this website...just look at how many posts have gay references in it.
I agree they exists at shows and here too but not exactly how Bay described them. More like I did. I don't believe they are gay. Yes, frustrated, phobic, insecure, lost, desperate to identify with and be accepted by big strong men, but their not gay. Its just unfair to say that and maybe wishful thinking on some peoples part.
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I think you'll lose if you are debating against Bay on ths subject
agree, he is quite hard headed (insert gay joke here).
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enough gay shit, back on topic.
They should ban costumes and pro tan. And make conduct off and on stage apply, otherwise the "Mr." in front of titles makes no sense. The "Mr." implies character and respect not just muscle, so character should be measured somehow.
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Are you kidding? The third one absolutely exists...you can find a great deal of them right here on this website...just look at how many posts have gay references in it.
I rest my case.
I agree they exists at shows and here too but not exactly how Bay described them. More like I did. I don't believe they are gay. Yes, frustrated, phobic, insecure, lost, desperate to identify with and be accepted by big strong men, but their not gay. Its just unfair to say that and maybe wishful thinking on some peoples part.
Perhaps you misuderstood. I'm not saying those three groups are the only men interested in bodybuilding. There ARE plenty heterosexual men competing and among the fans, but I think you underestimate how large the three groups I identify are in the population of this sport. btw, this isn't the only sport... I think they make up a sizeable portion of pro wrestling fans... but I've written about that previously.
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PDI, the New Look of Pro BBing ;D
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No it's not Holloween it's the Boys from PDI Pro BBing
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I rest my case.
Perhaps you misuderstood. I'm not saying those three groups are the only men interested in bodybuilding. There ARE plenty heterosexual men competing and among the fans, but I think you underestimate how large the three groups I identify are in the population of this sport. btw, this isn't the only sport... I think they make up a sizeable portion of pro wrestling fans... but I've written about that previously.
I realize that, all I am debating is the third type of man you describe. I don't believe they exist. I dont believe any man would be satisfied with what you describe. I think the men you are characterizing in type three are not closeted gay but rather 100% straight. They are at these events for male bonding but not for homoeroticsm. I think that is too broad a generalization and not fair. For example the 40 year old straight identifying homophobic guy at a pro wrestling match with a stone cold t-shirt on shouting how much he loves stone and how great and big his pecs are, is not a closeted gay guy struggling with his sexuality. I think that is unfair. I think he has trouble with his own male identity and security but he is straight sexually.
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I realize that, all I am debating is the third type of man you describe. I don't believe they exist. I dont believe any man would be satisfied with what you describe. I think the men you are characterizing in type three are not closeted gay but rather 100% straight. They are at these events for male bonding but not for homoeroticsm. I think that is too broad a generalization and not fair. For example the 40 year old straight identifying homophobic guy at a pro wrestling match with a stone cold t-shirt on shouting how much he loves stone and how great and big his pecs are, is not a closeted gay guy struggling with his sexuality. I think that is unfair. I think he has trouble with his own male identity and security but he is straight sexually.
You're obviously not getting his point...he described 3 types of GAY guys that most likely attend and support bodybuilding.
Thy weren't the ONLY people that support BB (as he pointed out)
Are you saying that there AREN'T any "closeted" gays out there in the world?
You may want to re-read what BAY wrote,I think you misinterpreted what he said...
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I do understand he was just talking about three types of gay bodybuildng fans. and I know there are closted fans in and outside of bodybuilding shows, but type one and two cover all of them.
The question of concern is the third type, "deeply closeted guys" The reason I don't like this description is because people, straight and gay, wrongly apply it to too many people too often and I think it excaberates the homophobia in bodybuilding. There may be some poor souls that fit into type three but I think the number is far too few to even mention.
For example according to Bays description, if a guy is with a girl, says he is straight, he says homophobic things, it is unknown whether he has had sex with guys or girls, but he is cheering for a guy in speedos at a bodybuilding show. According to Bay's catagories he may be type three "deeply closeted." This is wrong. This is why some straight guys wont go to a show, there is the fear that they might be perceived as "deeply closeted". Hell you can be married and sucking face with your wife, have kids and walk into a bodybuilding show and there will be some asshole that will think your "deeply closeted" and your just confused. It's crazy, it creates a kind of paranoia that actually breeds more hatred and homophobia. Just take people at their word and let it be. There is too much distrust in people. Yes there are Ted Haggards in the world but they are a much smaller number than people would like to believe.
It happens to gay guys too. I have been told, "no your not gay, your deeply hetero you just dont realize it, open up to jesus and it will appear. YOur deeply confused and frustrated. YOu may or may not be having sex with girls, but I did see you at a beauty pageant cheering for Ms. New Jersey so you must be straight." Do you see what I am saying, This kind of thinking is mythilogical. It is not real. People are forcing their wishes or fears on each other depending on what their agenda is.
THis kind of thinking is symptomatic of a society that doesn't trust each other, that fears each other. Its dangerous and always leads to violence.
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They should ban costumes and pro tan. And make conduct off and on stage apply, otherwise the "Mr." in front of titles makes no sense. The "Mr." implies character and respect not just muscle, so character should be measured somehow.
Conduct off stage shouldn't apply to anything in competition.
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Conduct off stage shouldn't apply to anything in competition.
In the NFL or other pro organization if a player does not show sportsmanship, or outside the field engages in questionable behavior that may embarrase the organization, they are suspended or dismissed. In the IFBB there are no consequences for any bad behavior unless the law is involved. I am sure Craig Titus was acting out way before the law got involved. If that was the NFL or Baseball they would have called him to the office and told him to straighten out or his out.
And as far as the competition goes I do think Mr. Olympia should be more than just who has the best body, it should also include being an official rep of the IFBB and the athletes. In that case they would need to be judged on their character and what their vision is for the sport and what they want to do to advance it.
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Of course closet gays (like bay described) exist...
It's just not as common as he would LIKE to believe.
Gays like to think every guy at the wrestling show is a closet homo.
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Bob, good work on getting one and all to enforce a rule that already exists.
Are there any other rules that are being overlooked that you are recommending to be enforced?
A bit strange to me that the "rule" is not adhered to in the first place.
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Of course closet gays (like bay described) exist...
It's just not as common as he would LIKE to believe.
Gays like to think every gay at the wrestling show is a closet homo.
Agreed.
And some straights also perpetuate the myth in and outside the industry.
I am one gay guy trying to say that the questioning of anyones sexuality is pointless. It
It is creating an atmosphere of hostility and fear and it is all baseless and pointless.
Unless you ablsolutely know, you should take people at the word and leave it at that.
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Yeah like Abe Lincoln is gay because he slept in a dudes bed one time.
Everyone is closeted. ;D
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Yeah like Abe Lincoln is gay because he slept in a dudes bed one time.
Everyone is closeted. ;D
one time? try regularly and wrote the guy flowery letters after on embossed stationary too.
but president james buchanan was a homosexual.
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proof?
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proof?
library of the united states congress archives
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link?
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link?
lazy?
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I should be happy about it...I'm the one who submitted to have the rules enforced on it.
Yes, it is in the rulebook, but as everyone knows...the rule has been softened up over the years.
Let the PDI look like clowns...
So was your boy kamali mad at you for it?
I mean, what's he gonna do for attention now? Not like his physique is going to get it (not positive attention, anyways).......
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That pic is from a guest posing , were talking about using them in competition...try and keep up with the conversation.
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That pic is from a guest posing , were talking about using them in competition...try and keep up with the conversation.
Yes, you're right. I don't have pics of the other gay shit he's wore in actual comp. on this PC.
Either way, I know for a fact he's worn shit. We both do.
So, will you answer the question, if it's not too much to ask from you?
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He'll abide by the rules like everyone else...
He never made mention of it one way or another.
Why do you care?
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He'll abide by the rules like everyone else...
He never made mention of it one way or another.
Why do you care?
I care because Kamali's antics provides me (and others) with entertainment.
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He never made mention of it one way or another.
Does this mean he's upset at you?
He probably is......
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You're the one that seems slightly obsessed with King...you bring him up all the time, have his pic in your avatar...
Forget it already..he's straight and married.
Pick someone else.
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You're the one that seems slightly obsessed with King...you bring him up all the time, have his pic in your avatar...
Forget it already..he's straight and married.
Pick someone else.
::)
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lazy?
yeah.
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Grow up? You're the one dressing up like superman and you're telling ME to grow up?? lol....
YEAH AND MAKING MONEY DOING IT...HOW MUCH DO YOU GET TO PRETEND TO BE A BODYBUILDER ? OUCH :) LUV YA CHICK ;)
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No it's not Holloween it's the Boys from PDI Pro BBing
AND THERE IS SHAWN THE BITCH POLICEMAN YOU LOOK CUTE SHAWN :)
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Well, I suppose you can make money dressing up like a keebler Elf as well...I thought money wasn't your motivation? Change your mind again?
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ITS NOT BUT IF I CAN GET IT DRESSED LIKE SUPERMAN WHY NOT?
BETTER THEN GETTING SORE KNEES.... :P
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Ronnie as moses,melvin as darth vader,toney freeman as whatever that was then you have troy alves kai green and the list goes on why bash pdi when ifbb is doing the same thing
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Ronnie as moses,melvin as darth vader,toney freeman as whatever that was then you have troy alves kai green and the list goes on why bash pdi when ifbb is doing the same thing
CAUSE ITS PART OF THEIR CONTRACT AND GETTING GOLD STARS NEAR THEIR NAME FOR DOING IT
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The IFBB wont be doing the same thing...not on my watch. It's the PDI and the recent ridiculous trend of those mentioned, that has brought this to be changed.
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ITS NOT BUT IF I CAN GET IT DRESSED LIKE SUPERMAN WHY NOT?
BETTER THEN GETTING SORE KNEES.... :P
Why did you have sore knees? Are you saying that despite having to resort to THAT...you STILL got suspended and lost your contracts?? Geez...tough luck!!
I guess given the choice, I'd dress like Superman.
Sorry to hear that, Lee...If you needed some money why didn't you just ask? ;D
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Why did you have sore knees? Are you saying that despite having to resort to THAT...you STILL got suspended and lost your contracts?? Geez...tough luck!!
I guess given the choice, I'd dress like Superman.
Sorry to hear that, Lee...If you needed some money why didn't you just ask? ;D
OWNED!!!!!!!!!(!!!!1
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Why did you have sore knees? Are you saying that despite having to resort to THAT...you STILL got suspended and lost your contracts?? Geez...tough luck!!
I guess given the choice, I'd dress like Superman.
Sorry to hear that, Lee...If you needed some money why didn't you just ask? ;D
FUNNY GOOD TURN IT AROUND...BUT WE ALL KNOW WHO HAS THE BRUISED KNEES HERE.LOST CONTRACTS BUT GOT NEW ONES......SO ALL IS FINE...
NOW YOU NEED TO STOP LIVING BY THE OLD SAYING
"TO GET AHEAD YOU MUST GIVE IT"
JUST BE YOURSELF TRY IT...YOU AND SHAWN MIGHT BE HAPPY NOW RUN ALONG BARR BARR BARR.
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Shit stirrers
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I should be happy about it...I'm the one who submitted to have the rules enforced on it.
Yes, it is in the rulebook, but as everyone knows...the rules has been softened up over the years.
So you are saying the IFBB does not follow its own rules, Chick?
what other rules does the IFBB selectively not enforce?
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So you are saying the IFBB does not follow its own rules, Chick?
what other rules does the IFBB selectively not enforce?
The rule of "props" has been softened up over the years, not selectivly, but equally for all. Now, it's enforcd equally...NO ONE will be using them.
No different than the NFL, which has had rules for years against taunting, etc...but only recently has elected to start to "tighten up" on enforcing them due to guys taking it too far.
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Good. Bodybuilding should go back to the formal structure it had in the late 80's, early 90's. No dancing on stage, costumes. Just posing.
Agreed 100% I want to see the muscles on the bbdr's, not costumes. Its not halloween for Christ sake.
PB