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Please explain.......it's my belief that Liberals cannot be true Christians, make it quick, I have a feeling this thread will be moved real quick with your post and my response!
(A mod asked me to move this discussion here - my first visit to the place)
Is this true?
If Jesus was on Earth today, which side of the war effort would he be on? Would Jesus advocate the killing of people who had committed no sin... only because they might someday do that act?
What about oil? Bush has said we had to invade iraq because they might try to hurt our economy by raising oil prices. If a merchant wished to raise the price on his fish (while all the other fish vendors sold at regular price), would Jesus order his disciples to rob and kill the higher priced vendor?
This is a scary point of view. Where did you come up with it?
As for everyone else, thoughts on the topic?
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i guess 'liberal' needs to be defined.
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Bob Beckel, a Fox news contributor and liberal Democrat, became a born-again Christian six years ago. Jesus, like most everyone else, had both liberal and conservative sides. IntenseOne is just a moron.
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IntenseOne is just a mororn.
Were you trying to say "mormon"? ???
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I like this answer, and it was about exactly what I was thinking too... I don't see how you don't consider Jesus a liberal. And don't forget, most certainly any argument that Jesus was a conservative is absurd. To best fit these labels of today on the Jews in the time of Jesus, you would most certainly not be able to exclude Jesus from the liberal group and yes I know there are problems trying to apply these terms to the people of that time.
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Liberals by definition hold Liberty to be the primary political value. 'Liberty' is the condition in which an individual has immunity from tyranny and the arbitrary whimsical, illogical, unquestionable and/or unjust exercise of authority. Broadly speaking, contemporary liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power, especially of government and religion, the rule of law, free public education, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports relatively free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected. In modern society, liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to succeed.
Boil it down to practical application and Liberals believe for the most part that the government should provide for a degree of general welfare, including unemployment benefits for the poor, housing for the homeless, and medical care for the sick.
Jesus taught that we should understand the true meaning of the Law (to love God and to love your neighbor as you love yourself) and not to follow the arbitrary traditions of men which leads to oppresion; to not be as the hypocrits are. He taught that the truth will set you free.
Jesus healed the sick, fed the hungry, taught that we should help the poor and give generously to the needy. His teachings repeat this theme in sermons, parables, miracles and practice throughout the New Testament.
Jesus is a Liberal.
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Interesting quote from Jane of Arc :o lolol....
In the mood of the Christmas spirit it's hard to ignore the message or the messenger. Christ. And make no mistake about it ... if Christ were here today he would be in the front line of the anti-war rally promoting peace, protesting with the other anti-globalist before the G8 Summit & the World Bank on behalf of the poor and hungry. He would be fighting side by side with other liberals for the rights of the less fortunate and world peace.
Christ was NOT pro-war, but pro-peace. When someone slaps your face you turn the other cheek. That means you do not perpetuate violence. That means you understand that dehumanization cannot be fought with more dehumanization.
Christ told us to love thy enemy. That means we must learn to understand our enemies culture and religion. Love means we take responsibility for the actions of America and other western nations in creating conflict in the Middle East. It means to act with compassion and understanding rather than sanctions and bombs.
Christ taught us to feed the poor.
Christ taught us to care for the sick.
Christ taught us to have compassion for the less fortunate.
Christ taught us to share and give rather than hoard with greed when he tipped over the tables of the money lenders.
When I first heard the term "compassionate conservative" I, and every liberal I knew, laughed. It was and remains a bad joke. There is nothing .... I repeat ... NOTHING compassionate about conservatives!!!
They are the most un-Christian group of people I have ever witnessed. They wouldn't know 'peace, love and understanding' if it came up and bit them in the ass!
Love and Peace on Earth to All! Even the Conservatives! Please may they learn.
http://progressivesonline.com/showthread.php?t=379
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It's pretty much a no-brainer that christ would have been liberal.
His teachings at the core are liberal.
Only a neo-con thumper would think otherwise
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Mr. I is a fucking moron.
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Of course liberals can be Christians. I don't think either party has a monopoly on Christianity. On the other hand, some of American liberalism is anti-Christian: abortion on demand, views on homosexuality, etc. That isn't to say anyone who holds those views isn't a Christian (not saying that at all), but those views are difficult to reconcile with the Bible.
And Jesus a liberal? Hardly. I doubt he would have performed a gay marriage ceremony. I doubt he would have aborted babies as a form of birth control. I doubt he would have been anti-death penalty. I doubt he would have supported bloated, wasteful government spending.
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I doubt he would have supported bloated, wasteful government spending.
Er--the Republislime have been quite guilty of that for the past six years.
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I doubt he would have been anti-death penalty.
ahahahahaha.... Read the bible before you argue stuff like this... ;)
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Bob Beckel, a Fox news contributor and liberal Democrat, became a born-again Christian six years ago. Jesus, like most everyone else, had both liberal and conservative sides. IntenseOne is just a moron.
FYI, after Beckle became born-again, he changed his views on alot of his old beliefs!
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Er--the Republislime have been quite guilty of that for the past six years.
O.K. That means he wouldn't have been a 21st century Republican.
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ahahahahaha.... Read the bible before you argue stuff like this... ;)
I read the Bible all the time. Which part says Jesus was anti death penalty?
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Of course liberals can be Christians. I don't think either party has a monopoly on Christianity. On the other hand, some of American liberalism is anti-Christian: abortion on demand, views on homosexuality, etc. That isn't to say anyone who holds those views isn't a Christian (not saying that at all), but those views are difficult to reconcile with the Bible.
And Jesus a liberal? Hardly. I doubt he would have performed a gay marriage ceremony. I doubt he would have aborted babies as a form of birth control. I doubt he would have been anti-death penalty. I doubt he would have supported bloated, wasteful government spending.
If Liberals truly believed this, they would not be Liberals....however, I agree with the rest of this post!
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It's pretty much a no-brainer that christ would have been liberal.
His teachings at the core are liberal.
Only a neo-con thumper would think otherwise
REALLY...point it out! Are you saying Jesus was a pacifist??
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FYI, after Beckle became born-again, he changed his views on alot of his old beliefs!
Obviously not to the point of becoming a narrow-minded nincompoop like you.
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I doubt he would have supported bloated, wasteful government spending.
Are you saying that Dems are all about bloated spending, and Republicans are the fiscally responsible ones?
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Are you saying that Dems are all about bloated spending, and Republicans are the fiscally responsible ones?
Actually, what I said was "I doubt he would have supported bloated, wasteful government spending." A liberal hallmark.
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Jesus, like most everyone else, had both liberal and conservative sides.
Exactly right.
Therefor, we can conclude...
Messiah was an Independent. ;)
Well,
I'm sure glad we settled this debate.
Next Topic:
Gun Control
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Actually, what I said was "I doubt he would have supported bloated, wasteful government spending." A liberal hallmark.
In the last 6 years, which party to you think has done more "bloated, wasteful" spending?
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That's a loaded question. The range needs to be all of history to be fair.
Good point.
2001-2006 Bush.
VS.
1996-2001 Clinton.
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In the last 6 years, which party to you think has done more "bloated, wasteful" spending?
In the last 50 years, Democrats. Obviously. Especially in Hawaii.
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In the last 50 years, Democrats. Obviously. Especially in Hawaii.
nice dodge ;)
2001-2006 Bush.
VS.
1996-2001 Clinton.
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I know. But when someone said Liberals were irresponsiblie spenders, i about spit out my Jaeger bomb.
The last 6 years have been a hugely irresponsible collection of spending, giving money to defense contractors without audits, and above all, that little ol' 2.3 TRILLION dollars that the Dept of Def CANNOT FIND.
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i about spit out my Jaeger bomb.
That explains your conspiracy theories ;D!!
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I know. But when someone said Liberals were irresponsiblie spenders, i about spit out my Jaeger bomb.
The last 6 years have been a hugely irresponsible collection of spending, giving money to defense contractors without audits, and above all, that little ol' 2.3 TRILLION dollars that the Dept of Def CANNOT FIND.
Liberals ARE irresponsible spenders, they delve out Government funds for rediculous testing that probably will have no impact on anything, when I get back I'll find that list but as far as I know, they want to take money from our defence budget to help fund this BS!!
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Liberals ARE irresponsible spenders, they delve out Government funds for rediculous testing that probably will have no impact on anything, when I get back I'll find that list but as far as I know, they want to take money from our defence budget to help fund this BS!!
That sounds like such an "informed" statement. Are you referring to funding for education, among the other BS?
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That sounds like such an "informed" statement. Are you referring to funding for education, among the other BS?
I'd say "yes" if you're talking about public education in Hawaii. It's one of the largest, if not THE largest budget item, but our public school system sucks. That's pretty much a universal opinion here. Parents fall all over themselves to put their kids in private schools. My kids will not spend a day in public school.
Liberals ran this state into the ground. We had a one party state for about 50 years. Taxes are ridiculously high. The business climate was awful. And of course the public school system stinks. We put a Republican governor in office four years ago and she turned a 300 million deficit into a 700 million dollar surplus. She could be president . . . if she wasn't from Hawaii.
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Sounds like 4 years later, the school system still hasn't improved. ;) I was referring more to Mr. I proclaiming something as fact, and then finishing up with how he didn't really know what those facts were and he'd have to look them up, but DAMMIT, they're FACTS!
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Sounds like 4 years later, the school system still hasn't improved. ;) I was referring more to Mr. I proclaiming something as fact, and then finishing up with how he didn't really know what those facts were and he'd have to look them up, but DAMMIT, they're FACTS!
It has not improved. I think the Gov can only perform one miracle per term. :) A billion dollar budget turnaround is about all she could manage in one term. I think it's absolutely incredible with veto-proof Democrat majorities in both houses. Gov. Lingle is brilliant. They fought her on creating local school boards. Not sure how much she will get done on the education front in the next four years. One thing I know for sure, liberals won't do squat about it. Again.
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Liberals ARE irresponsible spenders, they delve out Government funds for rediculous testing that probably will have no impact on anything, when I get back I'll find that list but as far as I know, they want to take money from our defence budget to help fund this BS!!
Both parties spend like there's not tomorrow.
To call out the Dems, after Rummy/Zelly LOST 2.3 TRILLLLLLION dollars within 8 months of taking office is silly.
To call out the dems, after we've spent 355 BILLION in Iraq, 120 BILLION in Afghanistan, (and we have not won) is silly.
To call out the Dems, after the Repub White House handed a blank check to haliburten which quickly took advantage and committed fraud, yet retained their contract, is silly.
Point is, both sides suck and both sides waste. For either side to call out the other is insane. For Repiubs to accuse liberals of anythign after the 6-year gangbang they've been running on our nation's future, is beyond insane.
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In 2000, there was a total surplus of $236.4 billion.
In 2004, there was a total deficit of $477 billion.
A $700 billion swing.
Justify it any way you want - but results do the fucking talking. We'll see in 2008 just how far this number has continued to slide.
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Liberals cannot be Christians?
This sounds like Intenseone.
Same guy who said Catholics cannot be Christians.
Ask i-one if he was a Christian when he voted for Clinton?
So glad to see you guys have the job of listening and responding to his idiotic crap all day long. Imagine how I use to feel!
No way...
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Way.
Once? Or twice? What made him cross over to support bush?
I seriously find this so hard to believe.
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HAHAHAHAH... WOW.... I feel bad for laughing, but this is killing me. ;D
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Damn.... Peggy's scoring some points here! Where's Joe's rebuttal?
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Liberals ARE irresponsible spenders, they delve out Government funds for rediculous testing that probably will have no impact on anything, when I get back I'll find that list but as far as I know, they want to take money from our defence budget to help fund this BS!!
Welcome to ancient history ::) This is so patently false... You guys are now the big spenders, we're the ones who care about debt... You're a neocon admitted... You deficit spend... Enjoy reality.
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Intenseone has already admitted to voting for Clinton on the board. A few months back.
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I don't know what soneone's labeled liberal politics has to do with being a true or false christian because there are different denominations of christianity. People who are called christian conservatives are stuck in doublethink thinking that they know what it means to be called a conservative. Besides the christian aspect of it all, I'm glad I now know that the chamoflauge conservative is actually what is called a constrictative and the difference between the two is major. The only way to see the differences in conservatives and constrictatives is by being a self named constructive citizen.
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Intenseone has already admitted to voting for Clinton on the board. A few months back.
hmmmmm maybe monica was his G/F at the time. That might explain a few things ;D
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hmmmmm maybe monica was his G/F at the time. That might explain a few things ;D
Nooooo, I only voted for him the first time....see what I got for not listening to Rush's advice :-\!!
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Mr. I is a fucking moron.
On political issues,yes.
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Nooooo, I only voted for him the first time....see what I got for not listening to Rush's advice :-\!!
Rush is an idiot.
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On political issues,yes.
No, not really!
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No, not really!
You are a smart man, I believe, but you are too closed minded.I jokingly bash Bush left and right, but I will at least consider both sides of an argument.You,on the other hand, do not want to hear ANYTHING that even remotely suggests that Bush is wrong.
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Of course Jesus would be against the death penalty in today's times.
How can you say killing is wrong. And then kill someone for crimes they commited.
Murder is wrong. Killing in self defense isn't wrong. Neither is killing in a just war. Neither is killing as a form of punishment, after due process.
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Murder is wrong. Killing in self defense isn't wrong. Neither is killing in a just war. Neither is killing as a form of punishment, after due process.
I think a life in a dirt floor prison with only bread and water to eat is more of a punishment than death.Death is an easy way out.
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I think a life in a dirt floor prison with only bread and water to eat is more of a punishment than death.Death is an easy way out.
Perhaps. Although we treat our prisoners much better than that. Three meals. Cement floor. Bed. Shower. T.V.
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Perhaps. Although we treat our prisoners much better than that. Three meals. Cement floor. Bed. Shower. T.V.
and a weight room.... but you are right. WE SHOULD put em the dirt floor and so on.
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HAHAHAHA WHO is that with the snorkle?
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i feel bad for mr intenseone. you are so closed minded and pitiful it is truly hilarious to watch you argue. i have a question, do you think in the grand scheme of things god, all-powerful and mighty has needs such as needing to be worshipped and discriminates between people based on political parties? seriously, your a narrow minded meatbag who hasnt even reviewed his own beleifs to see how they hold up against reason and rational. if god made us he gave us reason etc,, i would think hed like us to use them, seems like you are allergic to thinking.
on a sidenote, jesus doesnt condone lying.
monster 535 bench.
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another thing you fucking idiots support monies being spent on national denfense insted of feeding the sick and poor and creating peace. or helping the homeless, this is exactly the OPPOSITE of what jesus taught, brutal hypocrisy.
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another thing you fucking idiots support monies being spent on national denfense insted of feeding the sick and poor and creating peace. or helping the homeless, this is exactly the OPPOSITE of what jesus taught, brutal hypocrisy.
Hey dude, hate to break it too you, but the first order of business is to protect the country and to create peace it sometimes takes war, or are you a pacifist?
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Hey dude, hate to break it too you, but the first order of business is to protect the country and to create peace it sometimes takes war, or are you a pacifist?
What would Jesus think of an Administration which PREFERS war?
For instance, Afghanistan offered to turn over the AlQuida and Osama to the US. We declined, preferring to kick the Taleban out and kill tens of thousands of people. When war is necessary, I'm all for it - but they agreed with us about Osama and tried to turn him over.
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What would Jesus think of an Administration which PREFERS war?
For instance, Afghanistan offered to turn over the AlQuida and Osama to the US. We declined, preferring to kick the Taleban out and kill tens of thousands of people. When war is necessary, I'm all for it - but they agreed with us about Osama and tried to turn him over.
Who said they preferred war??
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Who said they preferred war??
They were given an outcome which met their stated goals - get Osama and shut down the terrorist training camps.
Instead, they added the goal of "secure the oil pipeline from the taliban". You see, we negotiated with them until July of 2001, even giving them a "gift" of 45 million dollars to consider our offer to manage their oil. They declined, and we told UK and India that we would be invading them in mid-October. (Then, 9/11 happened, of course)
So YES, they preferred war. Likewise, Sadaam surrendered to demands 24 hours before we invaded. Instead of accepting victory with ZERO LIVES LOST, we fired a missile into the building he called from, then entered a 3 year war.
Likewise, IRAN is begging us to have peace talks. Syria is begging us for talks. North Korea is begging us for talks. We refuse. Would Jesus refuse peace talks when they might avoid war?
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im not a pacifist but i dont see the need in building more weapons(arms race ring a bell) and spending multiple monies on defense(from what?, we usually are the invaders). HAHAH defense is the priority, i think you are not a christian my friend did you actually read any of jesus's techings, he would be steadfast against everything your saying. good ideology, lets start a war to create peace.
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If you are a believer in true christians, then the question of church and state is a unanswerable one just like the question as to why the end of the evil world has not been witnessed by any sect or cult that has made many false predictions. I am not waiting for anyone's prophecy to come true because I stopped believing after the end of the last year to count on my calendar which was the two thousand and two which was connected from the time that Y2K was not true since it was not named nineteen ninety ten.
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Of course liberals can be Christians. I don't think either party has a monopoly on Christianity. On the other hand, some of American liberalism is anti-Christian: abortion on demand, views on homosexuality, etc. That isn't to say anyone who holds those views isn't a Christian (not saying that at all), but those views are difficult to reconcile with the Bible
the bible is written in black and white for a reason. Its not as open to interpretation as one might like to think. It has been manipulated a million times over for mans favor. those who believe in letting fags be fags and thinking abortion is sometimes OK. they are DEAD WRONG and will one day have to answer for their sins.
and in the words of Larry the cable guy watch out for the red words them the important ones