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This article from the July '81 issue of Musclemag focuses on Sergio defeating Bertil Fox at the 1980 WABBA World Championship in France. This was the show where Sergio's legendary victory pose photo was taken.
SERGIO!!!!
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WOW :o Sergio is the man!!!!!!!
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Great articles and pics. Thanks.
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What i remember about that show was how close Bertil was to Sergio, closer than anyone else.
As far as the victory pose, Sergio's most famous victory shot was from 1972.
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bertil had a rugged physique but was too narrow...specially compared to oliva.
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bertil had a rugged physique but was too narrow...specially compared to oliva.
That's only one aspect, amongst many. It was closer than it would have been against anyone else on the planet at that time, & they were remarkably similar in various ways, which is what made it interesting. Fox's conditioning was a little better than Oliva's at the time.
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That's only one aspect, amongst many. Fox's conditioning was a little better than Oliva's, which is what made it an interesting contest back in the day. It was closer than it would have been against anyone else on the planet, which is confirmed with bigger pics.
no, there where others who where better than bertil ...take for example 1983 mr o...some people complain that bertil should have been higher than 5th..but in reality if you watch footage from the show you see that bertil was narrow and hadnt the best structure. he was very strong and had thick chest and arms but lacked the total package and the flow to his physique. also remember sergio wasnt at his best in 81.
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I never said Sergio was in his best condition, no idea why you think you have to remind anyone.
As far as placings, you're a little naive. Like some others here on getbig, your blind faith in placings as an accurate measure is laughable when in fact the contests were clearly influenced by politics, especially the Weider shows. Can i sell you some stock?
The late 70s, early 80s in particular were rife with questionable decisions, which is exactly why both of those guys as well as Szkalak and Robinson were in that contest and others like it instead of winning Olympias over relatively inferior BBs like Columbu & Zane. And exactly why most of the top BBs left the IFBB around that time, or retired, like Padilla & Mentzer.
They disagreed with the veracity of contest decisions you put so much faith in.
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I never said Sergio was in his best condition, no idea why you think you have to remind anyone.
As far as placings, you're a little naive. Like some others here on getbig, your blind faith in placings as an accurate measure is laughable when in fact the contests were clearly influenced by politics, especially the Weider shows. Can i sell you some stock?
The late 70s, early 80s in particular were rife with questionable decisions, which is exactly why both of those guys as well as Szkalak and Robinson were in that contest and others like it instead of winning Olympias over relatively inferior BBs like Columbu & Zane. And exactly why most of the top BBs left the IFBB around that time, or retired, like Padilla & Mentzer.
They disagreed with the veracity of contest decisions you put so much faith in.
More conspiracy theories from Pumpster, you're starting to sound more and more like 240!
Maybe we should make a conspiracy board where you guys can go back and forth about the 9-11 and "fixed" Weider shows ::)
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I never said Sergio was in his best condition, no idea why you think you have to remind anyone.
As far as placings, you're a little naive. Like some others here on getbig, your blind faith in placings as an accurate measure is laughable when in fact the contests were clearly influenced by politics, especially the Weider shows. Can i sell you some stock?
The late 70s, early 80s in particular were rife with questionable decisions, which is exactly why both of those guys as well as Szkalak and Robinson were in that contest and others like it instead of winning Olympias over relatively inferior BBs like Columbu & Zane. And exactly why most of the top BBs left the IFBB around that time, or retired, like Padilla & Mentzer.
They disagreed with the veracity of contest decisions you put so much faith in.
lol naive.? im far from naive .i know very well that often you had suck a dick to place high but i dont feel bertil was good enough to win any competitions if he faced any top class competitors.
also bodybuilding competitions are uninteresting in my opinion.so i dont give a shit what the placings where..that being said...as brutal as fox was he never had the best of structures.
robinson, sergio, nubret and others where better than him
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robinson, sergio, nubret and others where better than him
Subjective; at that level it really comes down more to personal preference more than anything. Other than Oliva none of those top guys won the Olympia, which is absurd. Debases any effort to put faith in contest placings.
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Subjective; at that level it really comes down more to personal preference more than anything. Other than Oliva none of those top guys won the Olympia, which is absurd. Debases any effort to put faith in contest placings.
Nothing absurd about it. Only according to your personal preference.
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i got that issue in an old variety pack that i ordered out of Musclemag around 1995 or so.
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Great article I wish they would focus on Sergio's training though.
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Great article I wish they would focus on Sergio's training though.
Don't worry Alexxx, I have plenty of Sergio training articles, they're coming soon.
SERGIO!!!!
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Don't worry Alexxx, I have plenty of Sergio training articles, they're coming soon.
SERGIO!!!!
Great I am looking forward to them!
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Could have gone either way from the pics. Both had an insane front lat spread. Thanks for the pics.
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Could have gone either way from the pics. Both had an insane front lat spread. Thanks for the pics.
i think sergio made bertil look like a boy in the front and rear lat spread, but i agree with pumpster, bertil was harder and in better condition.
sergio was a freak in shape and mass.
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I only saw Sergio with clothes on in the gym. I never seen him train. He was very big to me back then. But I have seen Bertil train, talked to him and stared at him everytime he was in. And Bertil was ENORMOUS. He wasn't human to me. He was easily the strongest in the gym. Some guys squatted more and others probably benched more (didn't see it) but all round strength Bertil was unreal. And his size was so impressive. I will never ever forget the first day in the gym when he came in. He was a god.
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i think sergio made bertil look like a boy in the front and rear lat spread
sergio was a freak in shape and mass.
Onlyme's the only other one here who gets it, doesn't confuse perception with reality. Part of the problem now is the fact that the many great BBs back then who were never allowed to win have been diminished over time. Robinson, Fox, Padilla to name a few were absolutely phenomenal, second to no one. They were not inferior to the Olympia winners of the era, were in fact better. Most of the divergence from this reality is pure revisionism after the fact. Szkalak & Mentzer as well were almost as great.
In many of the poses they were comparable. In some, one or the other had the edge, so to say Oliva had the edge in a particular pose is only part of the equation. Sergio did *not* look better than Bertil in a shot like this, for example.
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Onlyme's the only other one here who gets it, doesn't confuse perception with reality. Part of the problem now is the fact that the many great BBs back then who were never allowed to win have been diminished over time. Robinson, Fox, Padilla to name a few were absolutely phenomenal, second to no one. They were not inferior to the Olympia winners of the era, were in fact better. Most of the divergence from this reality is pure revisionism after the fact. Szkalak & Mentzer as well were almost as great.
In many of the poses they were comparable. In some, one or the other had the edge, so to say Oliva had the edge in a particular pose is only part of the equation. Sergio did *not* look better than Bertil in a shot like this, for example.
Sergio never did those poses because he didn't have to hide his flaws. He could do any pose and look fantastic in it. Bertil was good but not Sergio good.
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Here is the closest shot to that and that was before Sergio's prime.
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Onlyme's the only other one here who gets it, doesn't confuse perception with reality. Part of the problem now is the fact that the many great BBs back then who were never allowed to win have been diminished over time. Robinson, Fox, Padilla to name a few were absolutely phenomenal, second to no one. They were not inferior to the Olympia winners of the era, were in fact better. Most of the divergence from this reality is pure revisionism after the fact. Szkalak & Mentzer as well were almost as great.
In many of the poses they were comparable. In some, one or the other had the edge, so to say Oliva had the edge in a particular pose is only part of the equation. Sergio did *not* look better than Bertil in a shot like this, for example.
who said anything about padilla etc..i was talking about fox..you make up stuff when you reply in almost every thread
in my opnion sergio was better than bertil fox.. sergio in his prime would have crushed fox
as for padilla etc..i think padilla should have won in 1981..that guy was amazing. so was robinson..
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who said anything about padilla etc..i was talking about fox..you make up stuff when you reply in almost every thread
in my opnion sergio was better than bertil fox.. sergio in his prime would have crushed fox
as for padilla etc..i think padilla should have won in 1981..that guy was amazing. so was robinson..
I've made up nothing; Onlyme who was there sees the same reality as i do, dreamer. ;D You only highlight your own desperation with the personal stuff, genius.
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you bring padilla and alot of other stuff (about which no one has disagreed )in to the debate about fox and sergio. this shows your way of debating... :-*
sergio crushes fox
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you bring padilla and alot of other stuff (about which no one has disagreed )in to the debate about fox and sergio. this shows your way of debating... :-*
sergio crushes fox
So bringing up a larger picture at the same time is too complicated for you? I was providing context, something you apparently can't comprehend. I smell GED.. :-\
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all you smell is your own bad breath ;D...
a larger picture doesnt have anything to do with that sergio is better than fox.
fox was narrow ...sure he was massive but...he wasnt as good as some think he was. im not saying fox sucked as he was obviously top 10 in the early 80s.
and yes padilla deserved better...he should have beaten franco no legs in 81
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all you smell is your own bad breath ;D...
a larger picture doesnt have anything to do with that sergio is better than fox.
fox was narrow ...sure he was massive but...he wasnt as good as some think he was. im not saying fox sucked as he was obviously top 10 in the early 80s.
and yes padilla deserved better...he should have beaten franco no legs in 81
Your obsession with "narrowness" proves the lack of dimensionality of your assessment. I have news for you: no one's perfect other than maybe Padilla. With a more balanced perspective you'd already give Fox more credit as one of top 4-5 guys who should've been winning Olympias in the late 70s - early-mid 80s in fair shows. Just as one example, in shape he'd have beaten Columbu in '81 or '76.
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lol you always think other people lack view of the "big picture" or your so called multidimensional views....i suspect it has more to do with them not agreeing with your categorical statements.
the only thing my view of fox "narrowness" proves is that fox was narrow compared to alot of other bodybuilders..and that his structure ..while being massive wasnt enough to win. ;D
only way fox could win mr o if he was given a gift such as franco was..
also mr o is a totally uninteresting competition...several guys where better than fox.
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lol you always think other people lack view of the "big picture" or your so called multidimensional views....i suspect it has more to do with them not agreeing with your categorical statements.
Wrong yet again. You've done nothing but harp about Fox's "narrowness" (in comparison with Oliva, which is fairly meaningless vis-a-vis anyone else) without mentioning any other aspects such as the fact that he was in better condition than Oliva in the show, or mentioning that on some poses he was comparable or better.
These are not objective assessments! You have an obvious bias against him that i don't have, nor does onlyme. Look at your own posts and get a clue. ;)
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Wrong yet again. You've done nothing but harp about Fox's "narrowness" (in comparison with Oliva, which is fairly meaningless vis-a-vis anyone else) without mentioning any other aspects such as the fact that he was in better condition than Oliva in the show, or mentioning that on some poses he was comparable or better.
These are not objective assessments! You have an obvious bias against him that i don't have, nor does onlyme. Look at your own posts and get a clue. ;)
its the other way around...you are biased toward fox. its not just fox narrowness..its his whole structure..sergio is better than fox.
stating that that fox is narrow is as objective as all your subjective statements ;)
when it comes to muscle mass fox is not far behind sergio..altho sergio wasnt at his all time best in early 80s while fox was. still sergios structure wins over fox slightly better conditioning.
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its the other way around...you are biased toward fox. its not just fox narrowness..its his whole structure..sergio is better than fox.
stating that that fox is narrow is as objective as all your subjective statements ;)
when it comes to muscle mass fox is not far behind sergio..altho sergio wasnt at his all time best in early 80s while fox was. still sergios structure wins over fox slightly better conditioning.
Again your myopia's striking: I never said nor should you assume that he had to beat Oliva to be either a great BB or to win the Olympia. This is your limited thinking.
Even in that contest though, it's closer than you say because of the strengths and weaknesses of both. Sergio had him on width, Fox beat him on conditioning, detail, biceps peak, arm detail, thigh cuts, etc.-quite a bit.
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i wasnt talking about mr olympia i was talking about fox vs sergio and that sergio beat fox and was and is a better bb than fox.
i never said that fox has to beat sergio to be a great bodybuilder...again its the voices in your head mr.
shawn ray never beat dorian still shawn is a great bodybuilder so no..my mind isnt limited.
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i wasnt talking about mr olympia i was talking about fox vs sergio and that sergio beat fox and was and is a better bb than fox.
i never said that fox has to beat sergio to be a great bodybuilder...again its the voices in your head mr.
shawn ray never beat dorian still shawn is a great bodybuilder so no..my mind isnt limited.
Wrong again-you said he deserved top 10. I have news for you, he already was..duh? The reality was that he, along with several others i've mentioned, deserved top 3 placings for years, nothing less.
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no my debate was fox vs sergio...but you brought in other stuff.
i know what im debating i dont need your help to say what im saying.
and i havent talked about what others deserved more than saying that i agree padilla should have been treated better. top 3 bla bla..may be true..but i wasnt discussing that. so dont shift focus when you are losing a debate and start debating other issues which I may even agree with you on. also competitons are a joke..alot of weird decisions where made in the early 80s. its not like i dont like fox ...its just compared to sergio...sergio is better....but your narrow mind generalizes from this thought...and you think...this guy thinks sergio is better than fox...therefore he must think fox sucks...so its you who is narrow minded and lack multidimensional thinking.
but fox vs sergio : sergio wins.
but if you wanna discuss other things:
i know fox placed 5th in 1983 and i believe he placed 8th in 1982 so yes thats top 10. just as i said he should be..in the top ten but not winning
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You're obsessed with Sergio/Fox, which BTW was closer than you're claiming because you still refuse to acknowledge his numerous advantages in that show. Thankfully i'm here to balance your misguided interpretations, as if it's only about width!
As far as your silly claim that "he deserved top 10" that's stating the obvious genius-he already was top 10! You didn't know that? My valid point is that he, like others, deserved higher placings. Don't obsess on Padilla either, as if others weren't also deserving. Widen your views.
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You're obsessed with Sergio/Fox, which BTW was closer than you're claiming because you still refuse to acknowledge his numerous advantages in that show. Thankfully i'm here to balance your misguided interpretations, as if it's only about width!
As far as your silly claim that "he deserved top 10" that's stating the obvious genius-he already was top 10! You didn't know that? My valid point is that he, like others, deserved higher placings. Don't obsess on Padilla either, as if others weren't also deserving. Widen your views.
im not obsessed at all..im just stating what the discussion was about in the beginning...fox vs sergio and i think sergio is better.
and if you read all of my earlier post you would know that im aware that fox was in top ten twice in early 80s..and one or twice in the later parts of the 80s..
and im not obssed with padilla..you brought him up. :-*
the thing is you dont know what your debating anymore as you dont read the other persons posts.
widen your horizons. understand that alot of guys never got the placings they deserved. because bb is such a subjective sport and influenced by who sucked whos cock and politics. thats why competitions are jokes.
but that doesnt change the fact that oliva is better than BETIL BEEF IT FOX ;D
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You've confirmed low levels of cognition, consistently mixing up and confusing one issue with another.
I've made my point for others who aren't cognitively challenged & extremely biased towards Oliva and Padilla, only two of the names that i used that have been obsessed on by someone.
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You've confirmed low levels of cognition, consistently mixing up and confusing one issue with another.
I've made my point for others who aren't cognitively challenged & extremely biased towards Oliva and Padilla, only two of the names that i used that have been obsessed on by someone.
only reason you think im mixing stuff up is because you keep bringing in other stuff into the discussion...and saying im mixing stuff up doesnt mean fox is better than sergio.
instead i would say it is you who is mentally challanged because you always change the subject when your loosing a discussion.