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Essentially, it's an inflationary number to keep up with the growing insurgency. 15% troop growth per year, for the next 5 years. Just as they say the insurgents grow.
Can anyone defend it? People seem to be saying either pull out completely, or boost the troops to 300k and just overwhelm them and win.
*Please don't attack either position or either party - this 21,500 position is unpopular with BOTH parties*
Can someone please defend the 21,500 number as a strategy for victory? thanks.
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I'm not trying to defend it, but if you think pulling out is an option your wrong!!
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No it's not enough, but it is enough to keep things under control.
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I'm not trying to defend it, but if you think pulling out is an option your wrong!!
I'm not. I've made it clear I want a 350,000 force to crush the f'kers.
I want to hear SOMEONE defend it, and tell us why it's the best answer. So far, it sounds like only Bush, and defense contractors, are in favor of this.
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I'm not trying to defend it, but if you think pulling out is an option your wrong!!
pulling out aint an option..i agree...
we r fucked..into a chinese finger trap..
thanx bush~! ;)
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Put Saddam back in power....oh wait riiiight.
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Put Saddam back in power....oh wait riiiight.
i've said it..and i'll say it again..
this is possibly the last timeperiod to enjoy life on this planet..
shits gonna hit the celing ..in another 50 yrs..HARD...
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Most of the soldiers who spoke with CNN said they believe that if the fresh troops are used in the right way, the increase could be a significant help. But these men have no say in policy.
In the words of one soldier, "I am just a little fish."(Watch Defense Secretary Robert Gates explain how plan will work )
Starbeck said he believes that Bush "did a pretty good job of owning up to what is going on over here."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/11/damon.baghdad.reaction/index.html
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Most of the soldiers who spoke with CNN said they believe that if the fresh troops are used in the right way, the increase could be a significant help. But these men have no say in policy.
In the words of one soldier, "I am just a little fish."(Watch Defense Secretary Robert Gates explain how plan will work )
Starbeck said he believes that Bush "did a pretty good job of owning up to what is going on over here."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/11/damon.baghdad.reaction/index.html
the thread asked you to defend the number. Can you?
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the thread asked you to defend the number. Can you?
I don't need to defend the number. The troops on the ground already did. You can argue with them about it.
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i've said it..and i'll say it again..
this is possibly the last timeperiod to enjoy life on this planet..
shits gonna hit the celing ..in another 50 yrs..HARD...
I agree totally, which is why i do not have kids.
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I agree totally, which is why i do not have kids.
good..
dont breed..
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good..
dont breed..
What's that supposed to mean?>
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What's that supposed to mean?>
its in english..
dont breed...
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I don't need to defend the number. The troops on the ground already did. You can argue with them about it.
The troops on the ground, knowing they are going to be on CNN, would defend anything.
i asked because I wanted to see if anyone here could defend that number, as opposed to 300k or zero troops.
I see you can not. Thank you for playing.
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I'm not. I've made it clear I want a 350,000 force to crush the f'kers.
Do you know how mush 200,000 extra troops would cost?
10,000 more troops a year = 1.2 BILLION
Do the math. Its just not feasible.
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Do you know how mush 200,000 extra troops would cost?
Better question to ask is do you know how much people are making off this war?
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Do you know how mush 200,000 extra troops would cost?
10,000 more troops a year = 1.2 BILLION
Do the math. Its just not feasible.
1.2 billion?
The Iraq war costs American taxpayers $195 million per day. That's in the HOLDINg pattern. When we borrow the money, maintain, and accomplish little there.
At least spend big for 4 months, crush everything in sight, and then STOP spending.
Bob Gates just signed up 92,000 troops over 5 more years.
So do the math jeff- - - would it be cheaper to crush them at the higher cost, and then start spending close to ZERo in the place? Or to spend the next 5 years, spending $195 million a day, and be exactly where we are today?
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So do the math jeff- - - would it be cheaper to crush them at the higher cost, and then start spending close to ZERo in the place?
What do you mean "crush them"? Crush who?
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The troops on the ground, knowing they are going to be on CNN, would defend anything.
You don't know squat about the troops on the ground, or the military in general. But carry on with the nonsense. ::)
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You don't know squat about the troops on the ground, or the military in general. But carry on with the nonsense. ::)
Oh, okay. Do troops on deployment often get on CNN and disagree with Bush on tv in front of their commanding officers?
LOL.. you're a silly girl.
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1.2 billion?
The Iraq war costs American taxpayers $195 million per day.
How did you arrive at that number?
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Oh, okay. Do troops on deployment often get on CNN and disagree with Bush on tv in front of their commanding officers?
LOL.. you're a silly girl.
Why do you ask dumb questions day after day after day? They are like never ending. Just when I think you've asked your last dumb question of the day, you ask another one. :-\ Interesting talent you have.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11880954/
here's MSNBC. Just punch in "cost of iraq war by day" and you get various estimates from 190k to 210k.
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Why do you ask dumb questions day after day after day? They are like never ending. Just when I think you've asked your last dumb question of the day, you ask another one. :-\ Interesting talent you have.
If you weren't watching MtV all day, you would have seen this exact question being asked of senators/reps on both side of the aisle, all week on the news.
But I guess the media, congress, and most americans having this conversation are "dumb" as you put it.
And you still haven't defended the 21,500 number. Defend it. you did crash this thread and never answered it.
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If you weren't watching MtV all day, you would have seen this exact question being asked of senators/reps on both side of the aisle, all week on the news.
But I guess the media, congress, and most americans having this conversation are "dumb" as you put it.
And you still haven't defended the 21,500 number. Defend it. you did crash this thread and never answered it.
Actually, I called your questions dumb. Here is your daily mantra: ask a dumb a question, don't get the answer you like (or any answer at all), claim the person has been "owned." Very persuasive. ::)
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Can anyone defend it? People seem to be saying either pull out completely, or boost the troops to 300k and just overwhelm them and win.
Again, lets define the "enemy". Crush whom? Overwhelm whom?
Victory in Iraq is an empowered Iraqi military and police and stabilized government.
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Again, lets define the "enemy". Crush whom? Overwhelm whom?
Victory in Iraq is an empowered Iraqi military and police and stabilized government.
+1
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You can't defend the number if even bush's former military men said it wasn't going to do much...
no soldier is going to go on tv and disagree with the CIC on CNN...you'd be in a world of hurt if you did...
the majority of these guys don't want to be there..people join the military to get job training, paid well, free living...etc...most don't say..i'm joining up so i can get my ass blasted back to the stone age for a bunch of unappreciative, backwards living arabs...but they know they have no choice when they are told what to do and go and do their jobs...I know a lot of guardsman and reservists who have no desire to go or go back there because they don't think they can do any good--the consensus was/is that while they are happy saddam is gone they aren't happy americans are still there...
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Essentially, it's an inflationary number to keep up with the growing insurgency. 15% troop growth per year, for the next 5 years. Just as they say the insurgents grow.
Can anyone defend it? People seem to be saying either pull out completely, or boost the troops to 300k and just overwhelm them and win.
*Please don't attack either position or either party - this 21,500 position is unpopular with BOTH parties*
Can someone please defend the 21,500 number as a strategy for victory? thanks.
with the 21,500 troops added now, there were still more over there this time last year.
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Again, lets define the "enemy". Crush whom? Overwhelm whom?
Victory in Iraq is an empowered Iraqi military and police and stabilized government.
Of course they want to acutually stabilize Iraq, that would mean a pullout. The insurgency gives the US the chance to stay there.
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Of course they want to acutually stabilize Iraq, that would mean a pullout. The insurgency gives the US the chance to stay there.
Jeff Miller is right.
Hopefully the Iraq government will keep its word and actually allow America to face off against Al-Sadr.
Al-Sadr is the one pushing the insurgency and if the troops were removed right now, would become the defacto leader.
Death squads on Sunni's anyone.
There were 2 schools of thought on this war and on Afghanistan, one is a massive troop presence and very little aid. This is the Vietnam model.
The Iraq and Afghanistan model involve a lot less troops and more money and a lot more time, but it also involves making these states and their governments independent and their military strong.
These are also the same methods America is quietly using all over central Africa.
Iraq's economy is booming right now.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16241340/site/newsweek/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16241340/site/newsweek/)
If Al-Sadr and the Hussein insurgents can be dealt with maybe Iraq can become a great free country.
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Of course they want to acutually stabilize Iraq, that would mean a pullout. The insurgency gives the US the chance to stay there.
Just like other countries we have troops in, there will never be a complete pullout in Iraq........a complete pullout would be assnine!
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The military theory is sound but I don't think its enough. I think its'too late. We need more Iraqi's doing their job. If they can hold each neighborhood and get the locals to point out the insurgents. Its a mess that we can'r win because these idiots are not rational.
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i've said it..and i'll say it again..
this is possibly the last timeperiod to enjoy life on this planet..
shits gonna hit the celing ..in another 50 yrs..HARD...
I'll take the under for $1000..Like way under...we have 6 years tops...
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i've said it..and i'll say it again..
this is possibly the last timeperiod to enjoy life on this planet..
shits gonna hit the celing ..in another 50 yrs..HARD...
That's ok bro, I'll be 80 than... so no worries
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Again, lets define the "enemy". Crush whom? Overwhelm whom?
Victory in Iraq is an empowered Iraqi military and police and stabilized government.
Brilliantly insightful Jeff.
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That's ok bro, I'll be 80 than... so no worries
Ever seen how the elderly fare in a wild, chaotic, dog eat dog, every man for himself, state of anarchy?
You should be skeeered, ...very skeered. :o