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A guy at my gym claims he saw Tyson bench 405 for 3 back in 1989!
Do you believe this?
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A guy at my gym claims he saw Tyson bench 405 for 3 back in 1989!
Do you believe this?
YES
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Yep, I could easily see Mike doing that.
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A guy at my gym claims he saw Tyson bench 405 for 3 back in 1989!
Do you believe this?
No! What I know is that he is in a rehabilitation clinic to cure his cocain adction! Read it now in a newspaper! And he was a boxer not a powerlifter...
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A guy at my gym claims he saw Tyson bench 405 for 3 back in 1989!
Do you believe this?
NEVER!!! This guy weighed around 200pds ::)
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No! What I know is that he is in a rehabilitation clinic to cure his cocain adction! Read it now in a newspaper! And he was a boxer not a powerlifter...
HE SAID 1989......not 2007...
read the post
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Tyson was a little machine back in the day.....nothing huge, but he had power......it's certainly possible.
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In 1989 he was more like 230lbs. Strong mofo if this is true
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HE SAID 1989......not 2007...
read the post
I know how to read boy!!! 1989 / 2007 is always the same shit Tyson never had a grip on himself!!!
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in one of the youtube vids i watched i saw him squatting 225 so eh, who knows
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tyson was strong as an ox.he had the power,strength stamina everything.i do believe he can bench around 400lbs.
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How could any of you think he couldn't? Look at the power this guy had -
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7116994673789488115&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7116994673789488115&hl=en)
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when you make a topic like that you supposed to include a video >:(
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I know how to read boy!!! 1989 / 2007 is always the same shit Tyson never had a grip on himself!!!
right right...1989, 2007. same thing to me ::)
he won the title in 86, lost in in 1990. he didnt lose his "grip" until his rape charge in 92.
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NEVER!!! This guy weighed around 200pds ::)
in his bio it says he weighed 200lbs by age 13!
thats a big kid at 5'11"
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he weighed 215-222lbs for a fight. I imagine he was heavier at times.
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NEVER!!! This guy weighed around 200pds ::)
Wrong. He was 225lbs in his hayday and built like a freight train.I believe it.
PB
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How could any of you think he couldn't? Look at the power this guy had -
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7116994673789488115&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7116994673789488115&hl=en)
i thought i had seen every single video of tyson, but this one is probably the best i have seen for displaying tyson's attributes as a fighter. the only feature missing was the left hook that made berbick do the funky chicken (but that ko was more an accumulation of shots anyway).
well done Dingleberry. great vid and musical score. ;D
oh, btw, i don't know whether tyson could bench 135 or 400, but who the fuck cares ??? bench press has as much to do with fighting as hop scotch. hope this helps. ;)
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oh, btw, i don't know whether tyson could bench 135 or 400, but who the f**k cares ??? bench press has as much to do with fighting as hop scotch. hope this helps. ;)
Thanks Beast. Your above comment made me think of this COPS episode I saw a few years ago. It had a bunch of cops working out, and they were teasing each other about the weight and shitty form. Then this one cops says “I highly doubt the criminal is thinking about my ass coming off the bench when I’m slamming him against the hood of my car”. Hahahaha
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A guy at my gym claims he saw Tyson bench 405 for 3 back in 1989!
Do you believe this?
The muthafucka has one helluva punching power.
I see him benching that.
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Thanks Beast. Your above comment made me think of this COPS episode I saw a few years ago. It had a bunch of cops working out, and they were teasing each other about the weight and shitty form. Then this one cops says “I highly doubt the criminal is thinking about my ass coming off the bench when I’m slamming him against the hood of my car”. Hahahaha
ha ha! true
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i thought i had seen every single video of tyson, but this one is probably the best i have seen for displaying tyson's attributes as a fighter. the only feature missing was the left hook that made berbick do the funky chicken (but that ko was more an accumulation of shots anyway).
well done Dingleberry. great vid and musical score. ;D
oh, btw, i don't know whether tyson could bench 135 or 400, but who the f**k cares ??? bench press has as much to do with fighting as hop scotch. hope this helps. ;)
Best Tyson highlight around. Song is perfect, too.
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Tyson's in rehab? didn't hear about it yet
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A guy at my gym claims he saw Tyson bench 405 for 3 back in 1989!
Do you believe this?
Wrong. My friend trained him for 3 months and he said he could barely do his bodyweight for reps in the bench. He would wake up and run 5 miles then come to the gym and train. He hired my friend to train him for K-1. Didn't last long. Weightlifting wise Mike was not strong at all. He could do allot fo pushups though and situps.
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Wrong. My friend trained him for 3 months and he said he could barely do his bodyweight for reps in the bench. He would wake up and run 5 miles then come to the gym and train. He hired my friend to train him for K-1. Didn't last long. Weightlifting wise Mike was not strong at all. He could do allot fo pushups though and situps.
So lifting huge weights and bench 405 for reps doesn't make you a great fighter. Lot of delusional gym bullies still don't know that.
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Wrong. My friend trained him for 3 months and he said he could barely do his bodyweight for reps in the bench. He would wake up and run 5 miles then come to the gym and train. He hired my friend to train him for K-1. Didn't last long. Weightlifting wise Mike was not strong at all. He could do allot fo pushups though and situps.
how recent was that though...onlyme? hes talking about a 400lb bench press 17-18 years ago! alot can change over almost 20 years....
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So lifting huge weights and bench 405 for reps doesn't make you a great fighter. Lot of delusional gym bullies still don't know that.
very true.....
big muscles and bench maxes do not equal superior fighting skills.
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how recent was that though...onlyme? hes talking about a 400lb bench press 17-18 years ago! alot can change over almost 20 years....
I would second that question. If he was training for k1 during that time, it's obviously years after his prime as a boxer.
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Tyson was only recently training for K-1. Not when he was a 20-something year old kid.
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That is abouta 430lbs max. I'm calling bullshit. Especially in 89', plus consider the amount of cardio he must do.
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Absolutely not.
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A guy at my gym claims he saw Tyson bench 405 for 3 back in 1989!
Do you believe this?
i think the guy mistook how many plates were on each side, i'd believe 315 for 3 but not 405.
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how recent was that though...onlyme? hes talking about a 400lb bench press 17-18 years ago! alot can change over almost 20 years....
That was either last year or the year before. And yes I am sure he was stronger back then, but Tom told me he just looked like he really didn;t spend allot of time lifting. Very awkward moevements and not good at stabilizing the bar. If someone like him benched that much even 20 years ago he would still be able to have some sort of technique. I met him a few times and he was solid as hell but I just don't think he had that kind of strength to do that bench. If anything I would believe maybe 1 rep with 405 but not 3. He hit hard cause he hit the heavy bag. ANd back then I don't think lifting was a major part of training in boxing. So I really dont think he did it.
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i saw a video clip of him literally struggling to half squat 225, he wasn't much of a lifter, best heavyweight fighter of all time though IMO.
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Check this out, found it while researching. Crazy workout from hell -
Tyson in his youth didnt use weights at all but his 'bulk' came from being naturally big (200lb at age 15), eating high protein diets (steak, pasta and fruit juices were his ONLY diet up until firing Rooney in 1988).
Well i digress, his regimen in the olden days was this:
5am: get up and go for a 3 mile jog
6am: come back home shower and go back to bed (great workout for those huge legs of his)
10am wake up: eat oatmeal
12pm: do ring work (10 rounds of sparring)
2pm: have another meal (steak and pasta with fruit juice drink)
4pm: more ring work and 60 mins on the exercise bike (again working those legs for endurance and power)
5pm: floor exercises: 2000 sit ups; 500-800 'dips'; 500 press ups and 500 shrugs with a 30kg barbell and 10 mins of neck exercises (working the biceps, triceps, chest, abs and shoulders)
7pm: steak and pasta meal again with fruit juice (orange i think it was).
8pm: another 30 minutes on the exercise bike
9:30 watch TV and then go to bed.
I heard this on an interview with Tyson saying it himself to Ian Darke (Sky commentator). Contrary to belief, Tyson wasnt always in the ring sparring for hours and hours, but he did his roadwork and kept his body in shape, with 10 rounds of sparring a day he virtually eliminated his ring rust and could work on the power punches which came from natural exercices (the press ups etc) and those big powerful legs. It's this discipline that made Tyson so great up until firing Kevin Rooney.
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there is a link on the BBC website somewhere in which Tyson tells Ian Darke his whole workout regime. This was taken from 1988 when Tyson went to England to watch a Frank Bruno match.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_forum/index.php/topic,11886.0.html (http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_forum/index.php/topic,11886.0.html)
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"At 12, Tyson was arrested for purse snatching and sent to the Tryon School for Boys. He soon met Bobby Stewart, a counselor and former boxer who saw in Tyson a pugnacious kid who had grown to 200 pounds and could bench press more than his weight."
http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Tyson_Mike.html (http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Tyson_Mike.html)
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"At 12, Tyson was arrested for purse snatching and sent to the Tryon School for Boys. He soon met Bobby Stewart, a counselor and former boxer who saw in Tyson a pugnacious kid who had grown to 200 pounds and could bench press more than his weight."
http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Tyson_Mike.html (http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Tyson_Mike.html)
"more than his weight"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow, what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Haha.
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"more than his weight"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow, what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At 12 years old and 200 lbs, and benching 200+. Yep, I'd say he was a beast. But I guess you were bigger and stronger than he was. ::) ::) Tyson vs Squadfather
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tyson would rape squadfather and leave him with a bleeding rectum
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tyson would rape squadfather and leave him with a bleeding rectum
hahahaha, i'm terrified. ::)
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hahahaha, i'm terrified. ::)
;D dont be sarcasm
he wouldnt charge
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i should charge for him just to be in my presence, i'm white.
sarcasm would you shout sieg heil..when doing very heavy squats?
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sarcasm would you shout sieg heil..when doing very heavy squats?
you said that i didn't.
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no i didnt say that, i asked you if you would....would be interesting to see how people reacted
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no i didnt say that, i asked you if you would....would be interesting to see how people reacted
why should i be scared of saying it?
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why should i be scared of saying it?
i didnt say you would be scared, im just saying i wonder how the pencil necks would react when a big dude like you did heavy squats 5 plates per side and screamed sieg heil repeteadly when squatting...
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he hardly lifted a weight? Keith, fuckin hell mate you dont get built like he was without lifting. I dont see how many here think it impossible. He probably walked around weighing 240+ back then and he was notoriously strong, but then if you say that "a friend" saw a near 40, worn out rag of tyson struggling to bench his weight then im guessing your word is gospel. Bret Hart and Kurt Angle have both been documented as being able to bench 405
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he hardly lifted a weight? Keith, fuckin hell mate you dont get built like he was without lifting. I dont see how many here think it impossible. He probably walked around weighing 240+ back then and he was notoriously strong, but then if you say that "a friend" saw a near 40, worn out rag of tyson struggling to bench his weight then im guessing your word is gospel. Bret Hart and Kurt Angle have both been documented as being able to bench 405
bullshit on both of those, why are Angle's arms so tiny then and Bret Hart looks like he's never touched a weight in his life.
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I remember one of Tyson's trainers saying they never used weights in training
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If you ever watched Bret work with the big guys you could see he was a strong man. Angle looks like shit now, but this was supposedly in his prime. You dont need 21" arms to bench big numbers, hell apparently Joanie Laurer (chyna) could bench 315
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If you ever watched Bret work with the big guys you could see he was a strong man. Angle looks like shit now, but this was supposedly in his prime. You dont need 21" arms to bench big numbers, hell apparently Joanie Laurer (chyna) could bench 315
hahahaha, "you don't need big arms to bench big numbers", i'll file that one in the bullshit file, you don't really believe that "chyna" benched 315 do you?
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you don't really believe that "chyna" benched 315 do you?
I want to believe...
(http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/-/Chyna-Studio-Shot-Photograph-C10031776.jpeg)
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I want to believe...
(http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/-/Chyna-Studio-Shot-Photograph-C10031776.jpeg)
Did anyone see her mental breakdown on the Howard Stern Show when she took all her clothes off?
She's lost alot of muscle but she's got a great fucking body on her now. Even her face is a little more feminine
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hahahaha, "you don't need big arms to bench big numbers", i'll file that one in the bullshit file, you don't really believe that "chyna" benched 315 do you?
so tell me why there are 16-17 year old kids with average sized arms benching in the mid 400's then
Not sure about the Chyna numbers but she was a strong woman ill give her that
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so tell me why there are 16-17 year old kids with average sized arms benching in the mid 400's then
Not sure about the Chyna numbers but she was a strong woman ill give her that
no there aren't, not legitimatly at least, maybe with a heavy duty shirt and five dudes pulling on the weight, there has never been a legitimate 16 year old 450 pound bencher and there never will be, not with just a t shirt, one guy giving him a liftoff only, all the way to the chest up to full lockout.
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I can believe 315 for Chyna
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I can believe 315 for Chyna
no way, i would give her 225 for 3 or 4 maybe and even that's a stretch.
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he hardly lifted a weight? Keith, fuckin hell mate you dont get built like he was without lifting. I dont see how many here think it impossible. He probably walked around weighing 240+ back then and he was notoriously strong, but then if you say that "a friend" saw a near 40, worn out rag of tyson struggling to bench his weight then im guessing your word is gospel. Bret Hart and Kurt Angle have both been documented as being able to bench 405
With his diet and exercise routine and hitting the heavy and doing what situps, pushups and neck work he did, yes you can get like that. He never weighed 240. Have you ever seen Hershel Walker or Bob Hayes. You see him in videos and he was fairly smalled growing up. SHorter and stockier but nothing that anyone would call huge or even close to to 240. Gymnasts are strong as hell and they aren't heavy. I highly doubt Tyson ever did 405 3 times and let alone once. Why would he. Back then the trainers didn't like their fighters lifting weights. So more than likely he never benched 405. Hope this helps.
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NEVER!!! This guy weighed around 200pds ::)
whats your point
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With his diet and exercise routine and hitting the heavy and doing what situps, pushups and neck work he did, yes you can get like that. He never weighed 240. Have you ever seen Hershel Walker or Bob Hayes. You see him in videos and he was fairly smalled growing up. SHorter and stockier but nothing that anyone would call huge or even close to to 240. Gymnasts are strong as hell and they aren't heavy. I highly doubt Tyson ever did 405 3 times and let alone once. Why would he. Back then the trainers didn't like their fighters lifting weights. So more than likely he never benched 405. Hope this helps.
if he fought at 220-225 then its a fair assumption to say he could have been 240 out of training. Look at Ricky Hatton, hes een known to go 40lbs above his fighting weight. And i seriously doubt he never used weights, you dont look like he did from pushups and dips
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if he fought at 220-225 then its a fair assumption to say he could have been 240 out of training. Look at Ricky Hatton, hes een known to go 40lbs above his fighting weight. And i seriously doubt he never used weights, you dont look like he did from pushups and dips
When was Tyson out of training in the 90's. He fought like every month at the begining of his carreer. He never tool much time off in the 90's. He got his neck strong and big as hell and never used weights for his neck.
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When was Tyson out of training in the 90's. He fought like every month at the begining of his carreer. He never tool much time off in the 90's. He got his neck strong and big as hell and never used weights for his neck.
of course he was lifting weights... u r making no sense... Check ur facts sir, u'll be suprised
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Onlyme, have a look at this picture, you saying this physique was nt at all built with weights?!?!
(http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/files/suplementoarticulo/1142979232_mike-tyson40.jpg)
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i certainly believe it. i am the same height and weight as tyson was in his heyday, and i can bench over 320 for 3, and i aint the strongest mofo around. guy had immense power!!
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what Onlyme is saying is that tyson is one of those mofos that are naturally thick, dense and strong as hell. this is exactly what cus d'amato saw when he proclaimed that a 13 year old complete novice was going to be the hw champion of the world.
as keith said, tyson built his massive neck without barbells and dumbells, just bridging exercises with body weight and occasional high rep shrugs with a weight that your average bber would do db curls with.
the current version of tyson (let's say from ettienne on) probably does do weights like bench press. looking at his thicker build in recent times it is probably true, but the reality is that it hasn't helped him to be a better fighter.
he has lost much of his movement, agilty and speed, but that has more to do with age and lack of motivation than any possible weight training he is doing.
keith is also correct about how boxers were trained back then.
i grew up in boxing gyms and people here wouldn't believe how archaic PROFESSIONAL boxing trainers continue to be.
running, running and more running including sprints and interval training.
skipping, skipping and more skipping includin sprints and interval skipping.
lots of heavy bag, speed ball, floor to ceiling, focus mits, basically anything capable of being hit.
shadow
pushups, situps ad nauseum...
partner drills
sparring
repeat
EVERYONE was dead against any form of weight training and anyone with an open mind would advocate light weights only. i was told if i had any energy left over from the above protocol i obviously wasn't training hard enough. 'do more running son.' ::)
holyfield was considered to be committing heracy when news got out that he was training with some bber guy (haney), but he did a lot to dispell the myths associated with it.
ironically enough he managed to out muscle one of the strongest fighters of all time (tyson) and made believers out of a few of these naysayers.
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what Onlyme is saying is that tyson is one of those mofos that are naturally thick, dense and strong as hell. this is exactly what cus d'amato saw when he proclaimed that a 13 year old complete novice was going to be the hw champion of the world.
as keith said, tyson built his massive neck without barbells and dumbells, just bridging exercises with body weight and occasional high rep shrugs with a weight that your average bber would do db curls with.
the current version of tyson (let's say from ettienne on) probably does do weights like bench press. looking at his thicker build in recent times it is probably true, but the reality is that it hasn't helped him to be a better fighter.
he has lost much of his movement, agilty and speed, but that has more to do with age and lack of motivation than any possible weight training he is doing.
keith is also correct about how boxers were trained back then.
i grew up in boxing gyms and people here wouldn't believe how archaic PROFESSIONAL boxing trainers continue to be.
running, running and more running including sprints and interval training.
skipping, skipping and more skipping includin sprints and interval skipping.
lots of heavy bag, speed ball, floor to ceiling, focus mits, basically anything capable of being hit.
shadow
pushups, situps ad nauseum...
partner drills
sparring
repeat
EVERYONE was dead against any form of weight training and anyone with an open mind would advocate light weights only. i was told if i had any energy left over from the above protocol i obviously wasn't training hard enough. 'do more running son.' ::)
holyfield was considered to be committing heracy when news got out that he was training with some bber guy (haney), but he did a lot to dispell the myths associated with it.
ironically enough he managed to out muscle one of the strongest fighters of all time (tyson) and made believers out of a few of these naysayers.
Exactly. Not to say Tyson was boxing back in the day when other athletes lifted becasue that started around the mid 80's or so. But, the people in Tyson camp definitely lived the old ways. Gus was old school all the way. Back in the 70's and before most athletes stayed away from lifting because everyone thought is woudl cause you to be to tight and not be able to move as well. Very little or any lifting was done at all. Especially in boxing because the last thing they want would be a slower and shorter punch. Tyson is a brickhouse. He has natural size and strength. I too had this. I have always been stronger than my friends and most others naturally. I think allot of my strength came from gymnastics though. Tyson IF he lifted at all did not do it heavy. As my friend said when he was training Tyson, he was very awkward and didn't lift as though he had been doing it all his life. Look at Joe Frazier he to was a thick fighter just not as cut up as Tyson (from dieting and roadwork). I am not saying Tyson didn't ANY weights, I am saying he did not lift weights to get that size and to get stronger. He got his punching power from being able to use his hips and transfer that power to his fists. When he hit you it was with all his bodyweight behind it.
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At 12 years old and 200 lbs, and benching 200+. Yep, I'd say he was a beast. But I guess you were bigger and stronger than he was. ::) ::) Tyson vs Squadfather
umm...you are forgetting this this Squad father, the same guy whose days revolve around going to the gym and waiting around to make fun of skinny white emo men and their equally skinny emo girlfriend.
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1st off, I've been around Iron Mike several times back in the late 90s, and unless all that GH is finally starting to kick in he is no where near 5'11". Maybe 5'9" at best. Very short arms... back in the day he went almost 220. You bet he could put up 405 for 3.
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1st off, I've been around Iron Mike several times back in the late 90s, and unless all that GH is finally starting to kick in he is no where near 5'11". Maybe 5'9" at best. Very short arms... back in the day he went almost 220. You bet he could put up 405 for 3.
bullshit.
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i remember the promo clip for the holyfield tyson second fight he was curling 198 for reps
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1st off, I've been around Iron Mike several times back in the late 90s, and unless all that GH is finally starting to kick in he is no where near 5'11". Maybe 5'9" at best. Very short arms... back in the day he went almost 220. You bet he could put up 405 for 3.
I don't know how much Mike can't lift but the height of 5'9" sounds about right.
he use to hold boxing seminars a couple of times in Brownsville Brooklyn a couple of years ago. It usually attracted a good size crowd it was always interesting how show he was but even with a sweat shirt on you could see how powerfull he was. I think part of his power came from his short/compact from frame.
I agree with Squad in that I think that he was the greatest of all time IMHO.
I remember growing up that everyone use to get mad when they bought the tyson fight on pay per view! the fights never lasted past 3 rounds.
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When was Tyson out of training in the 90's. He fought like every month at the begining of his carreer. He never tool much time off in the 90's. He got his neck strong and big as hell and never used weights for his neck.
atleast check what youre saying Keith, there was enough time between his fights for him to put on a good few lbs
1991-03-18 217 Donovan Ruddock (3 month break)
1990-12-08 217¾ Alex Stewart (6 month break)
1990-06-16 217 Henry Tillman (4 month break)
1990-02-11 220½ James Buster Douglas (7 month break)
1989-07-21 219¼ Carl Williams (5 month break)
1989-02-25 218 Frank Bruno (8 month break)
1988-06-27 218¼ Michael Spinks (3 month break)
1988-03-21 216¼ Tony Tubbs
1988-01-22 215¾ Larry Holmes 225¾
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atleast check what youre saying Keith, there was enough time between his fights for him to put on a good few lbs
1991-03-18 217 Donovan Ruddock (3 month break)
1990-12-08 217¾ Alex Stewart (6 month break)
1990-06-16 217 Henry Tillman (4 month break)
1990-02-11 220½ James Buster Douglas (7 month break)
1989-07-21 219¼ Carl Williams (5 month break)
1989-02-25 218 Frank Bruno (8 month break)
1988-06-27 218¼ Michael Spinks (3 month break)
1988-03-21 216¼ Tony Tubbs
1988-01-22 215¾ Larry Holmes 225¾
I said at the beginnning of his carreer like in the mid 80's. Please read what I said.
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I wonder if Tyson could bench 535 at 181 lbs with no bench shirt? ;D
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atleast check what youre saying Keith, there was enough time between his fights for him to put on a good few lbs
1991-03-18 217 Donovan Ruddock (3 month break)
1990-12-08 217¾ Alex Stewart (6 month break)
1990-06-16 217 Henry Tillman (4 month break)
1990-02-11 220½ James Buster Douglas (7 month break)
1989-07-21 219¼ Carl Williams (5 month break)
1989-02-25 218 Frank Bruno (8 month break)
1988-06-27 218¼ Michael Spinks (3 month break)
1988-03-21 216¼ Tony Tubbs
1988-01-22 215¾ Larry Holmes 225¾
I did. He fought 15 times in 85' and 13 times in 86'. I would have to say that isn't much time to train with heavy weights and get big
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If you ever watched Bret work with the big guys you could see he was a strong man. Angle looks like shit now, but this was supposedly in his prime. You dont need 21" arms to bench big numbers, hell apparently Joanie Laurer (chyna) could bench 315
She could... I've seen her do it... In Richmond, Va. (some years back) The WWF was in town, she and Trips came into Powerhouse gym (Big Paulie R.I.P.) and I saw her do 315... I caught her in the middle of a set, so I didn't see how many reps she did... but I know it was more than 2.
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I said at the beginnning of his carreer like in the mid 80's. Please read what I said.
i did, but if you bothered to read the initial post it said in 89. Im well aware of how often he fought when he first went pro but stick to the actual topic
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So lifting huge weights and bench 405 for reps doesn't make you a great fighter. Lot of delusional gym bullies still don't know that.
Very true. It is a different type of training all together.
PB
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So lifting huge weights and bench 405 for reps doesn't make you a great fighter. Lot of delusional gym bullies still don't know that.
the size and strength gained from weight training can be very effective in a street fight IF you know how to use it ie wrestle, grapple, but unfortunately it is very difficult to maintain agility, speed and stamina when you build too much muscle for your structure.
this is the biggest problem faced by an mma fighter. you want lots of strength, but the catch is still remaining functional, especially for striking where rotation through the hips, extension through the shoulders and keeping your elbows in and hands up are ESSENTIAL. if this is not happening with fluid, relaxed movement you're going to have serious problems when the pressure comes on you because you are going to get even tighter and there goes your speed, power, agility and stamina.
the thing is, people get caught up with accepted demonstrations of strength like the bench press movement as if how much you bench press determines your value as a strong athlete. bench press happens to be a terrible movement for a fighter because your mind muscle connection learns to become efficient at SHORTENING the movement and PUSHING with your shoulders retracted and elbows out which is great for performing the bench press and absolutely useless for punching, where you want to EXTEND your shoulders and POP the MOVEMENT (as opposed to pushing) whilst keeping your elbows in (huge tight lats, tris and pecs negate this somewhat) and relaxed.
tyson was extremely strong and extremely powerful but he was FUNCTIONAL for HIS sport, not bench pressing.
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I think I can beat Mike Tyson.
Mr Getbig II - Apr 1 deadline (http://www.getanabolics.com/contests-i-10.html)
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Do any of you guys think that tyson used steriods?
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Do any of you guys think that tyson used steroids?
yes i do
it always surprises me when people believe that a pro athlete making millions of dollars has no qualms about using cocaine, cannabis, amphet, ice, opium and many other illicit drugs for recreational purposes, but won't use performance enhancers to help him stay at that earning bracket.
then, why wouldn't i be surprised. naivety and hypocrisy are very human traits.
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Yes, it would not surprise me that he did.
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Does anybody know that boxers are drug tested?
(In whatever federation Evander, Lennox, Tyson fought)
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Yes, it would not surprise me that he did.
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Does anybody know that boxers are drug tested?
(In whatever federation Evander, Lennox, Tyson fought)
They were the unified champs of the IBF, WBF, and WBO organizations... each for at least some time.
They are all drug tested... yes.
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They were the unified champs of the IBF, WBF, and WBO organizations... each for at least some time.
They are all drug tested... yes.
OK.
One more thing, Mike is 5,11. How tall is that in european standards? (meter)
Does anybody know. I have searched in the net, but what i found out just
can't be right. (under 1,60???)
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OK.
One more thing, Mike is 5,11. How tall is that in european standards? (meter)
Does anybody know. I have searched in the net, but what i found out just
can't be right. (under 1,60???)
Well, 6 ft is 1.8 meters or something like that...
So I think that 1.6 is about right.
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1.80 meters is 5 feet 11 inches (his claimed height), 1.75 meters is 5 feet 9 (his proposed height by some)
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1.80 meters is 5 feet 11 inches (his claimed height), 1.75 meters is 5 feet 9 (his proposed height by some)
I had always heard he was around 5'10 and 5'11.
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ive never met the guy so i couldnt honestly give you a value, but he looks around the 5"10 mark
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yes, boxers get tested for drugs but the testing is merely a cosmetic display.
if anyone actually believes that a an athlete that makes over 10 million in a single night's work is not going to beat this test i have some prime swamp picturesque land out in oaklahoma that i would like to sell you.
there are ways to beat these tests even when you get caught red handed.
roy jones junior failed a drug test whilst he was light hw champ post richard hall fight. his testosterone levels were about 10 times the level that would be considered using artificial means.
his excuse was, get this, 'nasal decongestant'! i'm assuming he is referring to the cortiso steroids (not anabolic) sometimes present in these preparations.
when this one didn't fly he blamed 'ripped fuel'. i was laughing even harder at this point because the active ingredient (at the time) in ripped fuel was ma huang/ephedrine, which is a stimulant, not a hormone.
in any case his reasons were accepted and he wasn't even fined. in fact he didn't miss a beat.
even fat tub of lard james toney tested positive for nandrolone (not exactly a shining example on the physical benefits of steroids). he was caught red handed and got about a 6 month suspension (the guy only fights about once a year ::)).
trust me, boxers take performance enhancers, including epo, beta antagonists, anabolics, stimulants, etc, etc. why do you think they hire drug gurus to avdise them?
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Im struggling to grasp why people dont think he could have benched that weight? I know a guy, about 21 years old, weighs approx 170, all upper body, hit 385 very clean with no spot.
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Im struggling to grasp why people dont think he could have benched that weight? I know a guy, about 21 years old, weighs approx 170, all upper body, hit 385 very clean with no spot.
of course he did "sean". ::)
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That is abouta 430lbs max. I'm calling bullshit. Especially in 89', plus consider the amount of cardio he must do.
Spoken like someone who doesnt bench anywhere near 405.
a 405 x 3 set is roughly the equivalent of a 475 1 rep max
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Powerlifting for poundage and BB are 2 completely different animals.
There is no comparison. Get yourself a Meatal pro Viking bench shirt, change your form to a lower touch, do board presses, and watch your max bench almost double in 4-5 months. And yes, youll get caryover strength on your raw bench.Plenty. NOt to mention thicker triceps & lats. Tris and lats are a lot stronger than pecs and delts, use them!
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Max bench double in 4 or 5 months?! Haha whats this some secret method?!Haha
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Went to vegas 2 yrs ago gambling, clubs etc.... Went to after hours club and who walks in Iron Mike. Had a bunch of tagalongs with him but for some reason he wanted to hang with a male friend of ours. It is about 4 n the morning and Tyson asks our friend what his drug of choice was. Ironically friend was type who looked like he partied a lot but was just an ugly drunk. So Tyson pulls out bag of weed and starts rolling a double paper joint. 8-10 inches? Security made our friend get up and leave once Tyson started smoking. Weird experience, He was super cool or f'ed up or on his meds but real cool. I am 5'9 Tyson was shorter than me.
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yes, boxers get tested for drugs but the testing is merely a cosmetic display.
if anyone actually believes that a an athlete that makes over 10 million in a single night's work is not going to beat this test i have some prime swamp picturesque land out in oaklahoma that i would like to sell you.
there are ways to beat these tests even when you get caught red handed.
roy jones junior failed a drug test whilst he was light hw champ post richard hall fight. his testosterone levels were about 10 times the level that would be considered using artificial means.
his excuse was, get this, 'nasal decongestant'! i'm assuming he is referring to the cortiso steroids (not anabolic) sometimes present in these preparations.
when this one didn't fly he blamed 'ripped fuel'. i was laughing even harder at this point because the active ingredient (at the time) in ripped fuel was ma huang/ephedrine, which is a stimulant, not a hormone.
in any case his reasons were accepted and he wasn't even fined. in fact he didn't miss a beat.
even fat tub of lard james toney tested positive for nandrolone (not exactly a shining example on the physical benefits of steroids). he was caught red handed and got about a 6 month suspension (the guy only fights about once a year ::)).
trust me, boxers take performance enhancers, including epo, beta antagonists, anabolics, stimulants, etc, etc. why do you think they hire drug gurus to avdise them?
No doubt, never said they didn't... He just asked if they were tested and I replied yes, they are.
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i did, but if you bothered to read the initial post it said in 89. Im well aware of how often he fought when he first went pro but stick to the actual topic
Now would it be Getbig if we stuck to the actual topic :D
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I saw Tyson once and I am 5'10-with the boots I was wearing, maybe pushing another 1.5"....I was towering over Mike...so 5'8 or 5'9 is the best guesitmate of his height......
Also...Kurt Angle has small arms becuase of the extensive nerve damage that his neck problems have given him over the years
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Powerlifting for poundage and BB are 2 completely different animals.
There is no comparison. Get yourself a Meatal pro Viking bench shirt, change your form to a lower touch, do board presses, and watch your max bench almost double in 4-5 months. And yes, youll get caryover strength on your raw bench.Plenty. NOt to mention thicker triceps & lats. Tris and lats are a lot stronger than pecs and delts, use them!
EXACTLY
you've hit the nail on the head.
bench press does NOT define strength.
i am certain that if tyson so wished he could have done the aforementioned at any time in his career and come back a month later with a 500lb bench.
he obviously had the leverages, proportion and raw strength to potentially do over 600 if he chose to, but then...
he wouldn't have been a boxer. ;)
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Ever watch Tyson punch in slow motion when he was in his prime? ESPNs Mike Tysons greatest hits. God!
The F'n power delivery at the end. He often throws in this subtle final hip twist that almost looks like he aint even planting his foot.
Tyson & Holyfield both have the look of testo users. Compare their builds to Mohomed Ali and that era. No compare in muscle mass.
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Ever watch Tyson punch in slow motion when he was in his prime? ESPNs Mike Tysons greatest hits. God!
The F'n power delivery at the end. He often throws in this subtle final hip twist that almost looks like he aint even planting his foot.
Tyson & Holyfield both have the look of testo users. Compare their builds to Mohomed Ali and that era. No compare in muscle mass.
true. he was an absolute fighting machine and d'amato was perfect for him.
d'amato didn't discover tyson, he uncovered him.
it is just a pity tyson didn't put the same focus into the things that truly matter in life. maybe there's hope for him yet. :)
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In a way Tyson kind of destroyed the American Dream a bit for all of us. Everyone wants to see the underdog poor boy with nothing rise to the top. Well, Mike Did. And gave us some great fights, but watching him selfdestruct was kind of a kick in the guts. God how long we been waitng for him to get it together? Its not workin. Not many fighters realy walk out of the game w/ much. Foreman, thats about it. Its no diferent w/ many Muy Thai champs in Thailand, many selfdestruct. Tough Biz getin the crap
beat out a ya. No thanks.
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EXACTLY
you've hit the nail on the head.
bench press does NOT define strength.
i am certain that if tyson so wished he could have done the aforementioned at any time in his career and come back a month later with a 500lb bench.
he obviously had the leverages, proportion and raw strength to potentially do over 600 if he chose to, but then...
he wouldn't have been a boxer. ;)
just like could Ronnie Coleman become a fighting machine with 3-4months training, but then... he wouldn't be a bber still standing on his feet... :)
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Iron Mike in his prime had the build to be a damn good bencher. Powerfull upper body. Short Range of motion press.
Ron would have a lot harder time crossing over into fighting. Frankly I think Rons build would be a hindrance for a Pro fighter, even if he let go of quite a bit of muscle. Freak Physique no argument.
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500lbs when in prison. Dont tell me this chest could nt put up decent wheels on da bench
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This thread is Hilarious.
A once-powerful guy, sure, but he never did a triple with 405, and, contrary to some retards in this thread who only expose their absolute ignorance, he wouldn’t have pressed 500 with a couple of months specific training, and likely could never have benched six hundred or more. No matter how much he tried.
He was muscular and stocky, but he wasn’t of the frame to be some elite bench presser.
P.S. A muscular chest doesn’t mean some huge bench numbers, specifically, and, in fact, points to a probability the weight trainer doesn’t know how to properly press for absolute strength. Guys with awesome pecs usually bench in a way that soon enough leads to shoulder issues.
And besides, Tyson was, what, like 230 pounds? A relative shrimp.
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500lbs when in prison. Dont tell me this chest could nt put up decent wheels on da bench
A true gorilla
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Years ago, a guy who was connected with various boxing camps as a S/C coach mentioned that he'd seen Tyson get a hard, bouncy mid #300's bench around the time of the first Holyfield fight, which is believable. As an aside, Lennox Lewis's claimed best was #380 at around #240 which is believable too.
I wish it was still up, years ago someone was uploading camcorder footage from his old early training camps, and one had Tyson in an impromptu benching contest on an old Universal machine. Tyson was around 10 - 12 reps with #250, but there isn't a good conversion between machines and free bar.
Strong guy, but not #405 x 3 strong.
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just like could Ronnie Coleman become a fighting machine with 3-4months training, but then... he wouldn't be a bber still standing on his feet... :)
Aaaaaaaaaaand...
(https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ronnie-coleman-surgery-2.jpg)
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Just hit the wire a few hours ago. Jaime Foxx will play Tyson in bio-pic, scheduled to start filming soon -
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea0Vm04XQAE_ARu?format=jpg&name=small).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea0Vm04XsAA7bU6?format=jpg&name=small).
https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/18/jamie-foxx-mike-tyson-body-movie-photos-video/ .
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Jamie is not tough like Mike
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Tyson was on roids during his boxing career but I still doubt he could do 3 good reps with 405.
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Just hit the wire a few hours ago. Jaime Foxx will play Tyson in bio-pic, scheduled to start filming soon -
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea0Vm04XQAE_ARu?format=jpg&name=small).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea0Vm04XsAA7bU6?format=jpg&name=small).
https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/18/jamie-foxx-mike-tyson-body-movie-photos-video/ .
There was a bio-pic that came out in 1993 called "Tyson" [< IIRC these details]. It was starring Michael Jay White [who is actually BFF's with Troy Alves in real life], and one of my favourite Ironage actors: George C. Scott, in the role of Cus D'Amato!
I thought it was pretty good, and definitely showed up Tyson got used for money at the time, being too young to know how to manage it, I suppose, and too busy with training and fighting and press to pay attention to finances.
You have to think - a lot of people become famous suddenly like this - especially among athletes. Some music groups, like the Backstreet Boys and N'SYNC, both created/produced by (((Lou Pearlman))) were purposely selected as boys because it would be easy to take advantage of them when they become successful.
I think that sort of thing happens in Hollywood a lot, and in Mike Tyson's case, I didn't know it was known about him at that point. I thought it was something put together later, and extracted from Tyson's autobiography "Undisputed Truth".
I think Michael Jay White did a great job in the role of Mike Tyson! He was also in excellent shape, and still is [he's 53 now]. I guess being friends with Troy Alves can have its advantages [in addition to being a very hungry and hard working actor].
Regarding Tyson's bench press claims...I don't know...my max was 345-lb at 182.5-lb body weight, and nowhere near as genetically powerful as Tyson. But I also put a lot more hours in the gym than Tyson did [I mean...specifically lifting weights].
But...given his reach was short [70" - like mine], he would have an advantage benching. Also, his chest was pretty developed, so it's not like he doesn't look like a person who could bench press 405-lb for a few reps.
His actual [height] stats were probably closer to:
5'10 and 1/4", and walking around between 220 and 240.
Being on steroids, and training all the time, even with relatively limited weight training, could get a young man to 405-lb for a few reps, especially/if that young man is Mike Tyson!
As for Darren Avey's comment that Tyson benched 500-lb in gym...I can't say anything about that one, lol!!
[EDITED: a bunch of typos - First/Last Edit by Matt @8:54PM Thunder Bay, Canada Time]
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This thread is Hilarious.
A once-powerful guy, sure, but he never did a triple with 405, and, contrary to some retards in this thread who only expose their absolute ignorance, he wouldn’t have pressed 500 with a couple of months specific training, and likely could never have benched six hundred or more. No matter how much he tried.
He was muscular and stocky, but he wasn’t of the frame to be some elite bench presser.
P.S. A muscular chest doesn’t mean some huge bench numbers, specifically, and, in fact, points to a probability the weight trainer doesn’t know how to properly press for absolute strength. Guys with awesome pecs usually bench in a way that soon enough leads to shoulder issues.
And besides, Tyson was, what, like 230 pounds? A relative shrimp.
a guy i use to compete against had the hugest pecs, similar to Arnold or Kal Skalak
when i was shocked that he could only bench about half what i could do, he said ' i'd rather look like i can bench 500 than to have to run around all the time proving it'
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Yea its a very good and pretty unknown movie, jai white did a good performance, they'd be better off him in the new movie but i guess they want an a lister.
There was a bio-pic that came out in 1993 called "Tyson" [< IIRC these details]. It was starring Michael Jay White [who is actually BFF's with Troy Alves in real life], and one of my favourite Ironage actors: George C. Scott, in the role of Cus D'Amato!
I thought it was pretty good, and definitely showed up Tyson got used for money at the time, being too young to know how to manage it, I suppose, and too busy with training and fighting and press to pay attention to finances.
You have to think - a lot of people become famous suddenly like this - especially among athletes. Some music groups, like the Backstreet Boys and N'SYNC, both created/produced by (((Lou Pearlman))) were purposely selected as boys because it would be easy to take advantage of them when they become successful.
I think that sort of thing happens in Hollywood a lot, and in Mike Tyson's case, I didn't know it was known about him at that point. I thought it was something put together later, and extracted from Tyson's autobiography "Undisputed Truth".
I think Michael Jay White did a great job in the role of Mike Tyson! He was also in excellent shape, and still is [he's 53 now]. I guess being friends with Troy Alves can have its advantages [in addition to being a very hungry and hard working actor].
Regarding Tyson's bench press claims...I don't know...my max was 345-lb at 182.5-lb body weight, and nowhere near as Tyson. But I also put a lot more hours in the gym than Tyson did.
But...given his reach was short [70" - like mine], he would have an advantage benching. Also, his chest was pretty developed, so it's not like he doesn't look like a person who could bench press 405-lb for a few reps.
His actual [height] stats were probably closer to:
5'10 and 1/4", and walking around between 220 and 240.
Being on steroids, and training all the time, even with relatively limited weight training, could get a young man to 405-lb for a few reps, especially/if that young man is Mike Tyson!
So for Darren Avey's comment that Tyson benched 500-lb in gym...I can't say anything about that one, lol!!
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Yeah that HBO Tyson film is pretty good, the Don King one is too. Here's some decent copies of them and a few other good boxing docs on Tyson and King -
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The HBO Gotti film is way better than many big budget films -
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Jamie Foxx is on legit kigs, but starting to show his age. Same age as Tyson.
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Yea its a very good and pretty unknown movie, jai white did a good performance, they'd be better off him in the new movie but i guess they want an a lister.
Great post, hench! The role meant a lot to Michael Jai White [I just realized I spelled his middle name Jay rather than Jai, lol. I'm glad you spelled it correctly, so I will remember to in the future]. White said in an interview on Entertainment Tonight just prior to the movie coming on TV that he wanted to perform the role of Mike Tyson in such a way that Tyson himself would be impressed with it. It wouldn't surprise me if Tyson was impressed with White's performance, which I think was fair to Tyson [the script in general was].
I was looking for the interview of Michael Jai White on YouTube speaking about his performance in the Tyson HBO movie, but didn't find it immediately, but noticed this in the search results. Cool to see White knows quite a bit about boxing:
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Two separate entities are power and strength. Tyson is powerful. He wasn't a power lifter. I bet Mayweather couldn't bench 225lbs but he can punch like a mule for his size. On a side note the bench is a terrible measure of a man's strength.
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Yeah that HBO Tyson film is pretty good, the Don King one is too. Here's some decent copies of them and a few other good boxing docs on Tyson and King -
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The HBO Gotti film is way better than many big budget films -
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Great stuff there - and I wanted to specifically address this movie on here [even though it is unrelated, but made by HBO, as you said]. That was an excellent movie! I watched it with my youngest brother in 2017, and I remember it being excellent.
I'm not sure if you saw the updated John Gotti movie starrring John Travolta, but he really impressed me in the role! I didn't think he would nail it, but he did. He did a great job, and I liked the movie overall. But I think I should rewatch both of them, starting with the HBO Gotti movie from 1996 you posted just now. 8)
Great post, BB.
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Just cause Tyson couldn't bench 400 doesn't mean he wasn't a bad mo fo....
Who gives a shit what he benched, the dude was a boxer...
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In my gym they have heavy bags because the owner is into martial arts. Always fun to see the power lifters walk up to the bag to hit it a couple of times. They punch like 12 year old girls. Power lifting should be renamed strength lifting. Olympic lifting is truly power lifting.
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Powerlifting makes you good at...powerlifting.
Weider "Specificity of Training Principle".
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Bodybuilding makes you great at fightin
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Bodybuilding makes you great at fightin
Only if you have experience in a real fight
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Only if you have experience in a real fight
Yes, I smashed many heads on nights out in Watford and Windsor over the years!
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Yes, I smashed many heads on nights out in Watford and Windsor over the years!
What can I say...you are a badass!!
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She could... I've seen her do it... In Richmond, Va. (some years back) The WWF was in town, she and Trips came into Powerhouse gym (Big Paulie R.I.P.) and I saw her do 315... I caught her in the middle of a set, so I didn't see how many reps she did... but I know it was more than 2.
Just before she signed with WWF i had her doing 315 for 3-4 reps on her Bench press....455 for 10 on her squat.She only weighed 180 at the time too
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Just before she signed with WWF i had her doing 315 for 3-4 reps on her Bench press....455 for 10 on her squat.She only weighed 180 at the time too
"You" had her doing that?
I'd love to see the depth on that 455
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Just cause Tyson couldn't bench 400 doesn't mean he wasn't a bad mo fo....
Who gives a shit what he benched, the dude was a boxer...
Agreed! There is a dude at my gym that I have personally witnessed bench 515 raw. Yet he struggles so much to tie his own shoes that he arrives to the gym and sits down on a bench and puts his gym shoes in front of him and slams his foot into them over and over until they are actually on.
Who is more terrifying... this bench monster or a primed out tyson?
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Just before she signed with WWF i had her doing 315 for 3-4 reps on her Bench press....455 for 10 on her squat.She only weighed 180 at the time too
Big John Studd bench pressed "700-lb" in a video on the official WWE website. I don't think I can access it anymore due to geographical restrictions, but it should still be there for Getbiggers in the USA.
As if we didn't need to think it was so unrealistic to see heavy juicers be so big and strong, they also had to use fake plates to put up fake numbers. ::)
As for Mike Tyson, he fought just over/under 220-lb at probably just south of 5'11", so I could see him bench pressing 405-lb...but he was a trained boxer who mostly did calisthenics training. I don't think he incorporated much weight training into his training.
Given that he was most likely on steroids and has incredible KO power, I could see him bench press between 315- to 405-lb...but no evidence of such lifts have ever emerged online.
He's still the best fighter by the eye test, IMO.