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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: Debussey on February 13, 2007, 10:27:31 AM
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Krav Maga?
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boxing
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now a days..teh 9mm
but in fair street fighting it would be kickboxing. Because of teh use of all limbs in a lethal manor
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Muay Thai would be most effective..
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Boxing, wrestling, muay thai, not to be on MMA systems nuts, but unless you go to straight up eye gouging and nutsac smashing, those are the most effective relatively non lethal means of street fighting. There are always more effective ways of taking someone out but they involve removing eyes and collapsing throats.
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Boxing, wrestling, muay thai, not to be on MMA systems nuts, but unless you go to straight up eye gouging and nutsac smashing, those are the most effective relatively non lethal means of street fighting. There are always more effective ways of taking someone out but they involve removing eyes and collapsing throats.
so true and well put. so many MMA guys think they're stuff and they may very well be if they were fighting in a ring. but street fighting is different. if im in danger i wont hesitate to go for the eyes or the throat. dont care how tough you are if i jam my finger through your eye most likely youre done. and most fights invlove more than one person. if my friend is getting worked im not going to stand on the side and give him tips, im grabbing a chair or whatever solid object i can find and smashing it on the guys head.
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hard enough hitting someone as it is i wouldnt be able to aim for the eye
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"double dragon" ;D
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Some nice thai elbows can be very effective.
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Some nice thai elbows can be very effective.
im sure it could. but i dont want to find out. i'll take your word for it. if most professional fighters cant take them, then....im screwed. :-\
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The thing about the eye gouge is it typically happens in a clinch type situation. Its not an eye strike like a punch or an elbow, no one squares up with someone and tries to poke them in the eye.Rarely do you see many guys in the streets square up and exhange blows, there is usually some sort of tussel and the guys lock up. Yes thai elbows can devistate you. I caught one to the nose and it ended my night very quickly.
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The thing about the eye gouge is it typically happens in a clinch type situation. Its not an eye strike like a punch or an elbow, no one squares up with someone and tries to poke them in the eye.Rarely do you see many guys in the streets square up and exhange blows, there is usually some sort of tussel and the guys lock up. Yes thai elbows can devistate you. I caught one to the nose and it ended my night very quickly.
Unless your name is Chuck Liddell!!!!!!!
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Unless your name is Chuck Liddell!!!!!!!
Very good point. The man has poinpoint precision when it comes to the over hand eye gouge. Devistated couture with it, ortiz, and vernon "tiger" white. Probably some others, his thumb has more kills than any other thumb on the planet.
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thai boxing.
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Definately Boxing or Muay Thai. Nine times out of ten you would be fighting people(s) who are untrained,intoxicated, or both. With factors like those all you would have to do is dodge a wild haymaker or two and then let 'em fly. Ive heard of boxers taking out 2 or 3 people at the same time. Supposedly, Carlos Newton got jumped by five guys at a night club a few years back and knocked out three of them and the other two ran away, and that's because he's not even that good of a striker.
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so true and well put. so many MMA guys think they're stuff and they may very well be if they were fighting in a ring. but street fighting is different. if im in danger i wont hesitate to go for the eyes or the throat. dont care how tough you are if i jam my finger through your eye most likely youre done. and most fights invlove more than one person. if my friend is getting worked im not going to stand on the side and give him tips, im grabbing a chair or whatever solid object i can find and smashing it on the guys head.
Like I have been saying here, a crazy outofcontrol strong dude can do a lot of damage. I said it here tens of times, the street is not a ring!
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i saw many street fights and usually its difficult for someone who have some 'knowlegde' of boxing for example, create distance and oportunity for punches. Usually its like 30 seconds of crazy punches and someone ends up clinching (sp?) the other. Thats why here Jiu Jitsu guys are hell when you are in a street fight because they KNOW usually the guys will get too much close and its only take to the ground and finish it...
just a observation
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I prefer to communicate in a soothing manor and avoid unnecessary violence
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this thread again? OK, without a doubt its Muay Thai unless youre an excellent boxer. An average Muay Thai guy would wipe his arse IMO with the friday night piss head that usually squares up to you to impress his mates. Kicks, elbows, punches and knees are at your controlled disposal, by this i mean that you arent just wildly swinging away. You know what to do with them when it matters.
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I think jui jitsu is awful for street fighting. The ground is a dangerous place to be on the streets. In a fight against multiple people its not even an option and you have the additional trouble of trying to close the distance on someone throwing haymakers at you so you can put them to the ground. Throws would be your best bet from a GI sport like judo or something. Beyond that who wants to double leg someone to the pavement and roll trying to hit submissions. Not this guy, lol.
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Going to the ground in a street fight is suicide. Not only do you have pavement and broken glass to deal with but it's also easier for the guys friends to stomp on your head while your roll around.
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At the same time most street fights I've been in, I've been swarmed by more than 1 person. So going on the ground isn't much of an option in those situations. This is why you should be versed in more than 1 style IMO.
For street fighting just use all the moves that are illegally in the ring. Also study the best fighters and practice all the tricky little moves that no one sees commin like GSP's strafing shin kick etc.. Also the physicality of the fighter makes a huge difference! I can't count how many fights I've won just for being stronger,faster, and having good cardio. It basically all boils down to who can hit the hardest the fastest with the most accuracy and of course knowing how to leave your self less open. Boxing is veary good but low kicks to the knees nuts ankles etc also work wonders when combined with solid boxing skills. as far as the ground go's, learn how not to go there when u don't want to and get back up off the ground fast if some one puts you there. BJJ is for 1 vs 1 fights but how do tou every really know if your fighting more than 1 person? more can show up and you don't want to be locked up on the ground if that happens.
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At the same time most street fights I've been in, I've been swarmed by more than 1 person. So going on the ground isn't much of an option in those situations. This is why you should be versed in more than 1 style IMO.
For street fighting just use all the moves that are illegally in the ring. Also study the best fighters and practice all the tricky little moves that no one sees commin like GSP's strafing shin kick etc.. Also the physicality of the fighter makes a huge difference! I can't count how many fights I've won just for being stronger,faster, and having good cardio. It basically all boils down to who can hit the hardest the fastest with the most accuracy and of course knowing how to leave your self less open. Boxing is veary good but low kicks to the knees nuts ankles etc also work wonders when combined with solid boxing skills. as far as the ground go's, learn how not to go there when u don't want to and get back up off the ground fast if some one puts you there. BJJ is for 1 vs 1 fights but how do tou every really know if your fighting more than 1 person? more can show up and you don't want to be locked up on the ground if that happens.
Good post!!! Physicality is extremely important!!
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so true and well put. so many MMA guys think they're stuff and they may very well be if they were fighting in a ring. but street fighting is different. if im in danger i wont hesitate to go for the eyes or the throat. dont care how tough you are if i jam my finger through your eye most likely youre done. and most fights invlove more than one person. if my friend is getting worked im not going to stand on the side and give him tips, im grabbing a chair or whatever solid object i can find and smashing it on the guys head.
Ah, the TMA "my stuff is so lethal it is only used in the street" analogy. If you can effectively deliver an inside kick, couldn't you bring it up slightly and hit the groin. If you can deliver a jab, cross effectively, couldn't you extend your fingers and hit the eyes. The TMA artist does not practice realistically against an aggressive, skilled opponent WHO RESISTS. If you can clinch effectively, you can eye gouge, headbutt, knee, elbow. Be realistic and train that way hard! And to answer the original question, no system has all the answers, train all ranges, as well as weapons, and ballistic weapons. Being athletic helps lots!
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Ah, the TMA "my stuff is so lethal it is only used in the street" analogy. If you can effectively deliver an inside kick, couldn't you bring it up slightly and hit the groin. If you can deliver a jab, cross effectively, couldn't you extend your fingers and hit the eyes. The TMA artist does not practice realistically against an aggressive, skilled opponent WHO RESISTS. If you can clinch effectively, you can eye gouge, headbutt, knee, elbow. Be realistic and train that way hard! And to answer the original question, no system has all the answers, train all ranges, as well as weapons, and ballistic weapons. Being athletic helps lots!
Believe me im no TMA or MMA for that matter. i believe people get into fights when they are not intelligent enough to talk things out and they run out of things to say. that being said if i am in a fight i would want to get out of the situation as soon as possible. i guess you could deliver a kick to the groing but IMO doing that youve absolutely just commited yourself to the fight. same with the jab w/ the extended finger to the eye. i would never commit myself to a fight first. i could think of fifty things i would try to do first. even if i were hit first, if i felt my life wasnt in danger i wouldnt strike back probably.
and say you could effectively clinch someone in a fight, deliver elbows, knees, head butts what are you going to do to the guys freinds or by standards who are about to cruch your skull with the trash can? ive never been in the situatution before and would never want to.
and whats with the TMA reference, i had to think about what that stood for for a couple of seconds, i never mentioned it? that would be just as useless i think.
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Believe me im no TMA or MMA for that matter. i believe people get into fights when they are not intelligent enough to talk things out and they run out of things to say. that being said if i am in a fight i would want to get out of the situation as soon as possible. i guess you could deliver a kick to the groing but IMO doing that youve absolutely just commited yourself to the fight. same with the jab w/ the extended finger to the eye. i would never commit myself to a fight first. i could think of fifty things i would try to do first. even if i were hit first, if i felt my life wasnt in danger i wouldnt strike back probably.
and say you could effectively clinch someone in a fight, deliver elbows, knees, head butts what are you going to do to the guys freinds or by standards who are about to cruch your skull with the trash can? ive never been in the situatution before and would never want to.
and whats with the TMA reference, i had to think about what that stood for for a couple of seconds, i never mentioned it? that would be just as useless i think.
If you effectively clinch with someone who has no idea what's coming, one or two knees or elbows to the head and they're going nightnight. You wouldn't be exposed for long.
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Believe me im no TMA or MMA for that matter. i believe people get into fights when they are not intelligent enough to talk things out and they run out of things to say. that being said if i am in a fight i would want to get out of the situation as soon as possible. i guess you could deliver a kick to the groing but IMO doing that youve absolutely just commited yourself to the fight. same with the jab w/ the extended finger to the eye. i would never commit myself to a fight first. i could think of fifty things i would try to do first. even if i were hit first, if i felt my life wasnt in danger i wouldnt strike back probably.
and say you could effectively clinch someone in a fight, deliver elbows, knees, head butts what are you going to do to the guys freinds or by standards who are about to cruch your skull with the trash can? ive never been in the situatution before and would never want to.
and whats with the TMA reference, i had to think about what that stood for for a couple of seconds, i never mentioned it? that would be just as useless i think.
Mass attack is a losing proposition either way.
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If you effectively clinch with someone who has no idea what's coming, one or two knees or elbows to the head and they're going nightnight. You wouldn't be exposed for long.
good point however most people who get into fights have been in fights before, so placing all your chips on the fact that the guy knows nothing is not a strong wager today with the popularity of boxing/mma. you never know what someone know. and the chances that you knock the guy out with one or two elbows are not favorable. there are to many factors to include. besides if one of my friends gets into a fight and it ends up in a clinch im not waiting to see how my friend "handles" himself to see how tuff or knowledgeable he is in mma. im stomping on the guys face with my heel as soon as possible. i dont think many friends would wait, they would immediately help their friends out.
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Mass attack is a losing proposition either way.
yes it is Kevin.
i just choose not to fight, i can see though how defending yourself would come in handy, i just have never been in the situation.
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I always count on my opponent beeing at least as good as me ;) better safe than sorry
also one note about finger jabs ever had them blocked by an elbow or lowerd fore head? instant broken fingers so I'd go with a punch to the throat or uppercut to the solar plex instead. basicly fighting is like wieght lifting there's 1000 ways to do the same thing. But u want the easy most effective move that leaves you the least open, and hopefully somthing thats is hard to stop.
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yes it is Kevin.
i just choose not to fight, i can see though how defending yourself would come in handy, i just have never been in the situation.
Anyone who says otherwise hasn't trained it. Reality isn't kung fu movies where your opposition waits while you engage each adversary one on one. They all descend upon you at once, and you end up getting stomped on. Not fun, a Laotian gang had fun at my expense once, wasn't my best day... >:(
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Anyone who says otherwise hasn't trained it. Reality isn't kung fu movies where your opposition waits while you engage each adversary one on one. They all descend upon you at once, and you end up getting stomped on. Not fun, a Laotian gang had fun at my expense once, wasn't my best day... >:(
i hope you hurt one of them.
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i hope you hurt one of them.
Yeah, I called them all kinds of names. I never got a single shot off, five of them descended upon me whilst I was unaware. Not fun, my girlfriend at the time was screaming, and a lot of people saw it an did NOTHING.
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I am friends with a laos family... and that does seem to be the preferred method of revenge and beatdown.
They are all AzNS, lol, sporting the latest jay-z fashions and clothes they cant afford, dealing drugs and acting like badass gangsters.
Sorry you had to feel the wrath of people who deal with everything in violence.You say anything about them and its like coming down on their entire family and disgracing their heritage, its really obsurd, fucking jerks.
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I am friends with a laos family... and that does seem to be the preferred method of revenge and beatdown.
They are all AzNS, lol, sporting the latest jay-z fashions and clothes they cant afford, dealing drugs and acting like badass gangsters.
Sorry you had to feel the wrath of people who deal with everything in violence.You say anything about them and its like coming down on their entire family and disgracing their heritage, its really obsurd, fucking jerks.
This will date me, but I was coming out of an INXS concert, and looked at one in the eye. He started staring back and said something to me in his native tongue. I sassed back that he should learn english, and before you can say Ronnie is better than Dorian, I had a bunch of 5'5 135 lb guys kicking me while I lay in the turtle position. I just covered my head, moved my hips so they wouldn't be able to stomp on my face and ate kicks to the ribs. Tough guys, none of them would've wanted any if I was hanging around with my Polynesian friends or Brazillian Portugese.
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HAHA, yah the INXS thing is rough enough withouth the beatdown, lol. Thats some hardluck, worse shit that ever happened to me like that i got punched as i was falling into a booze induced black out. I walked outside a party to catch a breath of air and someone talked to me and i didnt understand what he said. Alll the sudden im punched inthe face and on the ground. I came out of the black out from the adrenaline but i was a mess/didnt realize what happened. No damage though. I had him in my guard actually, and was punching him in the isde of the head, i was on autopilot, lol, BJJ did help me out in taht instance.
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HAHA, yah the INXS thing is rough enough withouth the beatdown, lol. Thats some hardluck, worse shit that ever happened to me like that i got punched as i was falling into a booze induced black out. I walked outside a party to catch a breath of air and someone talked to me and i didnt understand what he said. Alll the sudden im punched inthe face and on the ground. I came out of the black out from the adrenaline but i was a mess/didnt realize what happened. No damage though. I had him in my guard actually, and was punching him in the isde of the head, i was on autopilot, lol, BJJ did help me out in taht instance.
A good lesson for not letting yourself be drunk out in public. ;)
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If you effectively clinch with someone who has no idea what's coming, one or two knees or elbows to the head and they're going nightnight. You wouldn't be exposed for long.
Who are you to talk about street fighting? You are one of those kids that hang around "on a pack" (like hienas). You worth nothing...
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gangs are for pussys especially this little tiny booper wanna bee's lol I have tons of those types where I live and I beat them down on site! They have no problem 1 vs 20 but 20 of them wont even take on me and my son lmfao, so we beat them up anyways. If every one stood up for them self's gangs wouldn't exist since theres like 50 people or more for every gang member. I get the leaders ID then anything that goes wrong in the hood I go straight to their house. They are 0 threat to me but I'm trying to stop them from swarming other people in the area, The cops do sweet dick all even after I give them the names and locations of the people involved, but then they don't come for me either, so the gang is in the same spot as there victims. another funny thing me and my son did was hide in the bush all decked out in cammo and come out behind them and choke the little fuckers out, then get their ID and write them a note lol
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gangs are for pussys especially this little tiny booper wanna bee's lol I have tons of those types where I live and I beat them down on site! They have no problem 1 vs 20 but 20 of them wont even take on me and my son lmfao, so we beat them up anyways. If every one stood up for them self's gangs wouldn't exist since theres like 50 people or more for every gang member. I get the leaders ID then anything that goes wrong in the hood I go straight to their house. They are 0 threat to me but I'm trying to stop them from swarming other people in the area, The cops do sweet dick all even after I give them the names and locations of the people involved, but then they don't come for me either, so the gang is in the same spot as there victims. another funny thing me and my son did was hide in the bush all decked out in cammo and come out behind them and choke the little fuckers out, then get their ID and write them a note lol
You know people can die if you choke them out right? Youd probably be up for premeditated murder if one of them didnt wake up, seeing as you are hiding in bushes with camo on, specifically for the purpose of ambushing someone to choke them uncious. Id rethink your strategy Nathan.
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And now you're stalking me through the boards, tiny. Get the hell out of here.
Of course, otherwise "you must break me" right? ::)
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You going to threaten physical violence to me over the internet again? hahahahaha, what a clown. So far into your head it's sad.
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True, but I dont care! there willing to stab ppl, then u get what u get ;)
I just wish ppl could be decent and fighting was only a sport.
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True, but I dont care! there willing to stab ppl, then u get what u get ;)
I just wish ppl could be decent and fighting was only a sport.
And really do you wanna lower yourself to the actions of some peice of shit low life immigrant who try's his damndest to be a fucking gangster by mugging people? I certainly dont.
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half of them are white, it's not a race thing it's a low class attitude thing. And I'll sink where ever i have to to get the message accross. Anyways there all handled now, they mostly don't go to my area anymore.
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http://starbulletin.com/2007/02/22/news/story10.html
Happened recently, perpetrators were 6'2, 270 (Father), 6'1 210 (son). Victims were a 5'6 140 lb two time gulf war vet, and his wife who was smaller still. I hope they get hate crime prosecution.
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A bully and his dad out for a father son day, lol lovely. If they don't get the book throwen at them, thats a crime! but if the cops there operate like they do here nothing will happen to the aggressors, or they'll get resorative justice or some lame shit like that.