and who dominated the 90's.i just added him, i always forget Dorian because i never really liked him much but he was one of the best.
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agreed sarcasm. you forgot some guys tho...such as clairmonte, labrada,yeah i'd probably put Dillett in there as well.
yeah i'd probably put Dillett in there as well.
squad, who's the best bb of the 90'sShawn or Flex easily, no doubt about it.
all of these would rape cutleryes but their dick would orange :-\
all of these would rape cutleras much as i like Jay i would say that Shawn, Flex or Kevin at their best should destroy him in a perfect world.
90s was the best bodybuilding era of all time.for me the 90's were the best of everything
as much as i like Jay i would say that Shawn, Flex or Kevin at their best should destroy him in a perfect world.
as did Porter Cotrell.
I'm glad someone else mentioned him. That beefy little runt had a lotta heart.
I don't know what happened today, but back then there were a lot more pros that you really admired their physiques. Nowadays, their stomachs are so large, it is disappointing.
I don't know what happened today, but back then there were a lot more pros that you really admired their physiques. Nowadays, their stomachs are so large, it is disappointing.if i had a chance to snap my fingers and have a physique like Shawn, Kevin or Flex i'd do it in a minute, as much as i respect Ronnie and Jay i wouldn't want to look like them.
for me the 90's were the best of everything
all of these would rape cutler
Cutler is better than most of the guys listed above.....274lbs with striated quads and wicked rear double bicecep pose is tough to beat.
anyways......
Mohamed Beneziza was a pro who won his first 4-5 pro shows....even defeating Yates at the 1990 NOC
but Flex had incredible conditioning.Guy was always ripped.
Flex was always one of Jay's favorites bodybuilders when Jay was rising through the ranks
probably due to his astounding 0.0% body fatdamn, you beat me to it! BTW, where was that measured at? ;D
damn, you beat me to it! BTW, where was that measured at? ;D
Here's him stalking Flex right before jumping on Flex's car and atTacking him. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Cutler is better than most of the guys listed above.....274lbs with striated quads and wicked rear double bicecep pose is tough to beat.
anyways......
Mohamed Beneziza was a pro who won his first 4-5 pro shows....even defeated Yates at the 1990 NOC
Jay sure as hell does not have a "wicked" rear double biceps pose...
its okay, but nothing special compared to the other great backs of our time.
For example, Kevin in 92 at the NOC was one of the best physiques on a bodybuilding stage EVER. Years later he got bigger, but he lost his conditioning.
Forgot about Vince Taylor.
yeah I actually think he was at his best then
so many physiques to admire back then but now they are just an embarrassment :-\
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Dennis Newman and Levrone were unbeatable from the front
they both had crazy huge delts and arms 8)
Jay sure as hell does not have a "wicked" rear double biceps pose...
its okay, but nothing special compared to the other great backs of our time.
You will only see them in the gym if they are on a cycle. Otherwise you don't see them for months.isn't that the truth. they'll even admit that.
You will only see them in the gym if they are on a cycle. Otherwise you don't see them for months.
What about Mr.Priest who has managed to transcend the millenium ?yeah i forgot about Lee, throw him in there as well as one of the best ever.
He is one of the only ones I can think of who is still actively competing from the above mentioned guys -Is there anyone else form the 90 's ??
Lee is a great competitor..... but do you think with his lack of chest and back development (though still outstanding) allows him to be one of the best alltime??Longevity has to count for something. Still has his hair and his face hasnt morphed into somethin else.I was flippin through MD the other day and Branch Warren looks like hes gonna die.Whats up with wearin winter beanies to the gym too.Doesnt he live in Texas?I live in New England and the last thing I wanna do is wear a wool hat to the gym.
Lee is a great competitor..... but do you think with his lack of chest and back development (though still outstanding) allows him to be one of the best alltime??We are talking about greats of the 90's generally-Lee certainly is all of that.Lee is to arms , is what Platz was to quads.Also Aaron Baker another underated bb
He beat Ronnie and Victor on the pose at the Olympia....that says a lot!
why?
Ronnie was in his worst ever shape.
it says nothing about having a truly great back
problem was ronnie didn't look like the pic you posted, he's done. Sorry, he was great for a little while but he ain't what he used to be
and that is exactly my point.
in order to say Jay has a great back you have to compare him to other great backs.
Ronnie in 2006 did not have a great back anymore (relative to his prior showings)
so saying he has a better back than 2006 Ronnie isn't proving anything.
I still thin if you had a time machine and stuck Jay Cutler in it the day of the last olympia and put him onstage at an early 90's olympia he wouldn't win. I honestly dont' see him beating Yates, Ray, Levrone, Labrada, Flex or Dillet using the standards they used back then. You're supposed to be seperated and musclular, you're supposed to have a defined midsection. Jay just looks liek a fidge with limbs, so does ronnie. If you look at everything that BB is supposed to be there arent' that many guys in the top 10 right now who would exemplify the standards that BB is supposed to be about. Look at the shot of Padilla, he has everything a BB should have and if judged properly would destroy most of the top 10 today. Maybe Dexter and heath meet the requirements, maybe toney Freeman but out of the top 10 guys at the last olympia only Dex, Toney and maybe Victor demosntrate what BB is supposed to be.
look at the guys on top during the 90's, Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler, Mike Francois,Yates, Nasser and they are in a completely different class than the guys today.
The best
sorry rich gaspari circa 87-88 crushes that
Gaspari was never 230 lb contest shape, maybe 210-215 max. He doesnt come close to yates or any of the others of the 90's.he was weighed at one of the olympia's at 228 or 229 sorry 1to 2 lbs off
Not so much about poundage, but he never had the genetics to do what he needed to get over the top. He got washed up fast. Rich had a 19 year old Shawn Ray chasing him by 1988. Its all history now and his only bias now is when he judges ifbb shows and penalizes bigger taller compeptitors. Now he is the judging "dragon slayer"
gaspari (regardless of his weight) isnt even close to the top names in the 90s...he was a hard worker but he didnt have the structure.
I still thin if you had a time machine and stuck Jay Cutler in it the day of the last olympia and put him onstage at an early 90's olympia he wouldn't win. I honestly dont' see him beating Yates, Ray, Levrone, Labrada, Flex or Dillet using the standards they used back then. You're supposed to be seperated and musclular, you're supposed to have a defined midsection. Jay just looks liek a fidge with limbs, so does ronnie. If you look at everything that BB is supposed to be there arent' that many guys in the top 10 right now who would exemplify the standards that BB is supposed to be about. Look at the shot of Padilla, he has everything a BB should have and if judged properly would destroy most of the top 10 today. Maybe Dexter and heath meet the requirements, maybe toney Freeman but out of the top 10 guys at the last olympia only Dex, Toney and maybe Victor demosntrate what BB is supposed to be.
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Cutler's midsection is such a horror show compared to Dorian's and everyone else's from the 90's. Compare his ab and thigh pose to Dorian at his worst and Dorian still embarrasses Cutler.
The best he could do would be 2nd or 3rd. Jay has better arms and legs than Dorian, but so did a lot of Dorian's competition from the 90's and he still beat them soundly.
Jay's back is as watery as the Atlantic Ocean. It's quite embarrassing when you do a side-by-side of his back to Dorian's and Ronnie's. Don't let Cutler's watery size fool you, the guy has no more mass than Ronnie or Dorian back there.
dorain was 5'10 at 253 gaspari was 5'7 at 230 yea real little
Dorian 1995 was 260 pounds Gaspari in 1988 was 209 pounds thats a 51 pound advantage87 was 228 but theis thread is the 90's i wasn;t thinking not 80's
Dorian 1995 was 260 pounds Gaspari in 1988 was 209 pounds thats a 51 pound advantageDorian was never 260 on stage..... hope this helps
Dorian was never 260 on stage..... hope this helps
and that is exactly my point.
in order to say Jay has a great back you have to compare him to other great backs.
Ronnie in 2006 did not have a great back anymore (relative to his prior showings)
so saying he has a better back than 2006 Ronnie isn't proving anything.
Dorian was never 260 on stage..... hope this helps
He was 262 pounds in 1994 and 260 pounds in 1995 and 270 pounds in 1997
true
but he looked more like 470 in 97.. :-\
true
but he looked more like 470 in 97.. :-\
he didn't have striations and details in 97 - he was smoothish.
where'd ronnie place in 97 with his arms, striations, details, taper, etc?
exactly.
I'm not turning this into a Dorian bashing thread as he was awesome, However, like you said Jay has way better arms and legs. He's flat out bigger than dorian and has a better shape. I'll agree that Dorian was dryer, but he was dryer than everyone. I'm sure defending Mr. Olympias urine sampe was tested. ::)
I'm sure that if Jay was able to use the same amounts of Diuretics as Dorian he'd be as dry, plus with his shape and lack of muscle tears, would look 10x better. But who know's now that he's won the O, Maybe he'll get a pass on the tests. I mean look at Ronnie, once he won the O do you think he ever tested positive? It happens to second place guys like Nasser and even Jay in the past, but you don't hear about it happening to the champ.
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