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An absolute travesty. I may boycott Mexican food (for at least a week) if they convict the Dog. :'(
Mexico court clears way for 'Dog' Chapman extradition
Advertiser Staff and News Services
GUADALAJARA, Mexico — A federal court has cleared the way for TV bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman to be extradited to face charges in Mexico, court officials said today.
Norma Jara, a spokeswoman for the second district court in Guadalajara, said the court rejected Chapman's injunction request, ruling there was no reason not to try him with deprivation of liberty.
Chapman's lawyers argued he would not be guaranteed a fair trial in Mexico, Jara said.
The charges against the 53-year-old star of the A&E reality series "Dog the Bounty Hunter" stem from his June 2003 capture of convicted rapist Andrew Luster, the Max Factor heir, in Puerto Vallarta, 210 miles west of Guadalajara.
Luster had fled from California six months earlier. His disappearance set off an international manhunt by police, FBI and bounty hunters trying to recoup some of the bond money.
Luster's capture shot Chapman, a Honolulu-based bounty hunter, to fame and led to the TV series. Luster is now serving a 124-year prison term in California.
Duane Chapman, his son Leland Chapman and an associate, Tim Chapman (no relation), were arrested by Mexican authorities the morning after they had caught Luster.
The three posted bail, then later left Mexico. Last month, they were arrested in Honolulu and held overnight at the Federal Detention Center before they were released on $300,000 bail. They face up to four years in a Mexican jail if convicted.
The arrests have sparked a nationwide protest by supporters trying to halt the extradition of the popular TV star and the two other men.
The Chapmans' attorneys also said they were providing the Mexican court with evidence that the three were not trying to leave Mexico with Luster, but were headed to a Mexican police station to turn him in when they got arrested.
Brook Hart, Duane Chapman's Honolulu attorney, said Chapman thought he could legally arrest Luster under the Mexican constitution because Luster had violated Mexican law by entering the country under a false name. In addition, the Chapmans were with a man they believed was an on-duty Mexican police officer when they caught Luster, and they later left the country on the "faulty" advice of a Mexican lawyer who told them they could leave, Hart said.
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Feb/15/br/br6301527498.html
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I can't believe this bullshit is still going on...
FUCKING CHRIST!!! The guy does the world a service and this is how we thank him? I know, I know... everyone has heard it all before, but damn it... This is just a fucking travesty.
This is the kinda shit that makes people think Mexicans are scummy.
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Yep. I watched a documentary on Andrew Luster the other day. One of the worst scumbag criminals I've ever seen. Dog did women in both the U.S. and Mexico a huge favor. Ingrates. >:(
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Mexico is Mexican jurisdiction.
Why Chapman doesn't grasp such basic logic, is the big question.
-Hedge
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Mexico is Mexican jurisdiction.
Why Chapman doesn't grasp such basic logic, is the big question.
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Come on man... He gets it... He thought he was doing everything by the book.
If Mexico is Mexican jurisdiction, and the US is American jurisdiction, then why are we deporting our American guy? You know the State Department could make this go away in about 3 seconds if they wanted to.
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Come on man... He gets it... He thought he was doing everything by the book.
If Mexico is Mexican jurisdiction, and the US is American jurisdiction, then why are we deporting our American guy? You know the State Department could make this go away in about 3 seconds if they wanted to.
There is an extradiction agreement perhaps?
-Hedge
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There is an extradiction agreement perhaps?
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Funny... They wouldn't extradite Luster...
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Funny... They wouldn't extradite Luster...
They did.
He is serving in California right now.
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They did.
He is serving in California right now.
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No, that's because Dog brought him back... Mexico didn't even look for the guy... He was spending money in Puerto Vallarta like it was growing out his ass and they never even looked twice.
He still thought he was doing the right thing... He had gotten a local cop to help him, but yet he did something wrong?
When was the last time a cop worked with someone, but they were in the wrong when it came to catching a criminal?
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No, that's because Dog brought him back... Mexico didn't even look for the guy... He was spending money in Puerto Vallarta like it was growing out his ass and they never even looked twice.
He still thought he was doing the right thing... He had gotten a local cop to help him, but yet he did something wrong?
When was the last time a cop worked with someone, but they were in the wrong when it came to catching a criminal?
I thought Chapman was arrested in Mexico while catching Luster?
Which means that the Mexican authorities must've turned over Luster to US authorities.
-Hedge
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I thought Chapman was arrested in Mexico while catching Luster?
Which means that the Mexican authorities must've turned over Luster to US authorities.
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Yes, my point was that they would not have even had that without Dog.
He led them (off duty cop) to Luster and apprehended him then... (With cop)... How did he do something wrong?
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An absolute travesty. I may boycott Mexican food (for at least a week) if they convict the Dog. :'(
Mexico court clears way for 'Dog' Chapman extradition
Advertiser Staff and News Services
GUADALAJARA, Mexico — A federal court has cleared the way for TV bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman to be extradited to face charges in Mexico, court officials said today.
Norma Jara, a spokeswoman for the second district court in Guadalajara, said the court rejected Chapman's injunction request, ruling there was no reason not to try him with deprivation of liberty.
Chapman's lawyers argued he would not be guaranteed a fair trial in Mexico, Jara said.
The charges against the 53-year-old star of the A&E reality series "Dog the Bounty Hunter" stem from his June 2003 capture of convicted rapist Andrew Luster, the Max Factor heir, in Puerto Vallarta, 210 miles west of Guadalajara.
Luster had fled from California six months earlier. His disappearance set off an international manhunt by police, FBI and bounty hunters trying to recoup some of the bond money.
Luster's capture shot Chapman, a Honolulu-based bounty hunter, to fame and led to the TV series. Luster is now serving a 124-year prison term in California.
Duane Chapman, his son Leland Chapman and an associate, Tim Chapman (no relation), were arrested by Mexican authorities the morning after they had caught Luster.
The three posted bail, then later left Mexico. Last month, they were arrested in Honolulu and held overnight at the Federal Detention Center before they were released on $300,000 bail. They face up to four years in a Mexican jail if convicted.
The arrests have sparked a nationwide protest by supporters trying to halt the extradition of the popular TV star and the two other men.
The Chapmans' attorneys also said they were providing the Mexican court with evidence that the three were not trying to leave Mexico with Luster, but were headed to a Mexican police station to turn him in when they got arrested.
Brook Hart, Duane Chapman's Honolulu attorney, said Chapman thought he could legally arrest Luster under the Mexican constitution because Luster had violated Mexican law by entering the country under a false name. In addition, the Chapmans were with a man they believed was an on-duty Mexican police officer when they caught Luster, and they later left the country on the "faulty" advice of a Mexican lawyer who told them they could leave, Hart said.
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Feb/15/br/br6301527498.html
I SAY SEND CHAPMAN BACK TO MEXICO AND LET HIM ROT IN JAIL THERE...I HATE THE BASTARD AND THAT SHOW...AND FOR THE RECORD...BOUNTY HUNTING IS NOT EVEN LEGAL IN ALL OF THE STATES OF AMERICA LET ALONE ENTERING INTO ANOTHER COUNTRY TO COMMIT THE CRIME OF KIDNAPPING. IT IS AMAZING THAT HE MADE IT PAST MEXICAN AUTHORITIES WITH THIS MAN. NORMALLY REGARDLESS OF ONES CRIME ONCE YOU ENTER INTO ANOTHER COUNTRY YOU ARE UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THAT NATION AND NO ONE CAN ENTER TO RETRIEVE YOU...THAT IS WHY SOME COUNTRIES HAVE ENTERED INTO EXTRADITION AGREMENTS WITH OTHER NATIONS. MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE WARNED THE TRAILER PARK 'DOG' OF THIS BEFORE HAND. NOT TO WORRY THOUGH..I AM SURE THERE ARE SOME MEXICAN LEROYS IN JAIL READY TO TAKE DOWN A DOG...LOL
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Yes, my point was that they would not have even had that without Dog.
He led them (off duty cop) to Luster and apprehended him then... (With cop)... How did he do something wrong?
Chapman had no right to apprehend Luster in Mexico. That right is probably exclusive to cops in Mexico.
In other words, Chapman broke the law when bounty hunting in another country.
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I SAY SEND CHAPMAN BACK TO MEXICO AND LET HIM ROT IN JAIL THERE...I HATE THE BASTARD AND THAT SHOW...AND FOR THE RECORD...BOUNTY HUNTING IS NOT EVEN LEGAL IN ALL OF THE STATES OF AMERICA LET ALONE ENTERING INTO ANOTHER COUNTRY TO COMMIT THE CRIME OF KIDNAPPING. IT IS AMAZING THAT HE MADE IT PAST MEXICAN AUTHORITIES WITH THIS MAN. NORMALLY REGARDLESS OF ONES CRIME ONCE YOU ENTER INTO ANOTHER COUNTRY YOU ARE UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THAT NATION AND NO ONE CAN ENTER TO RETRIEVE YOU...THAT IS WHY SOME COUNTRIES HAVE ENTERED INTO EXTRADITION AGREMENTS WITH OTHER NATIONS. MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE WARNED THE TRAILER PARK 'DOG' OF THIS BEFORE HAND. NOT TO WORRY THOUGH..I AM SURE THERE ARE SOME MEXICAN LEROYS IN JAIL READY TO TAKE DOWN A DOG...LOL
I honestly believe that Chapman really just wasn't aware that US laws doesn't apply everywhere.
He's a victim of his own ignorance, and will now pay the price.
-Hedge
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Chapman had no right to apprehend Luster in Mexico. That right is probably exclusive to cops in Mexico.
In other words, Chapman broke the law when bounty hunting in another country.
-Hedge
I'm confused by this... I thought that since he had a Mexican Federali with him that the Federali would have apprehended him with Dog simply being present.
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I honestly believe that Chapman really just wasn't aware that US laws doesn't apply everywhere.
He's a victim of his own ignorance, and will now pay the price.
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But like Tu said, Mexico wasn't doing squat to find the guy. And when the Dog caught this slime ball, he had the same drugs in his possession that he used to drug and rape women in California. He was a sexual predator of the worst variety and was probably going to rape Mexican women if not for the Dog. He did them a huge favor.
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Certain people need "The dog" in jail, so he won't be hunting down their ass in South America in a few years. ;D
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Chapman had no right to apprehend Luster in Mexico. That right is probably exclusive to cops in Mexico.
In other words, Chapman broke the law when bounty hunting in another country.
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The FBI and DEA use bounty hunters to capture criminals in Mexico all the time due it being illegal for them to make arrests. An undercover DEA agent was killed in Mexico. We knew exactly who did it. The men from the cartel got off scott free in Mexican courts. The DEA then enlisted bounty hunters and they got every guy responsible and got them back into the USA to rot in American jails. Of course one of their "own" was killed so it was ok to do what Dog Chapman is now in trouble for.
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I appreciate the support brahs.
God Bless.
Dog.
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So here's where we stand... Protect drug smugglers by giving them immunity to testify against border patrol agents who end up sent to prison while the drug smuggler walks. and Protect Serial Rapists... Fine nation we've become ::)
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I really don't understand why the US is cooperating with this bullshit. A US citizen cannot get a fair trial in a Mexican court simply because he is a US citizen and they don't like us very much.
And why is Mexico pressing this? He isn't charged with murder or rape or robbery of a Mexican citizen. They want to charge him with kidnapping of a US citizen who was a criminal wanted by the US. Why does Mexico give a fucck?
I have no problem with extraditing US citizens who have commited crimes to other first-world countries with fair judicial systems like ours (Europe, Australia, Japan, etc), but NO WAY should we ever extradite a US citizen to a third-world country, especially on bullshit charges like these that didn't even effect any of their citizens.
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A US citizen cannot get a fair trial in a Mexican court
wow, doesn't that make the treaty that allows this unconstitutional? nobody can guarantee cruel and unusual punishments will not be inflicted by handing him over so this is a denial of the rights guaranteed him in the constitution... I hear-by scrap this stupid treaty that Mexico doesn't follow anyway...
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I really don't understand why the US is cooperating with this bullshit. A US citizen cannot get a fair trial in a Mexican court simply because he is a US citizen and they don't like us very much.
And why is Mexico pressing this? He isn't charged with murder or rape or robbery of a Mexican citizen. They want to charge him with kidnapping of a US citizen who was a criminal wanted by the US. Why does Mexico give a fucck?
I have no problem with extraditing US citizens who have commited crimes to other first-world countries with fair judicial systems like ours (Europe, Australia, Japan, etc), but NO WAY should we ever extradite a US citizen to a third-world country, especially on bullshit charges like these that didn't even effect any of their citizens.
The reason why USA should do it is obvious:
USA wants to be able to get criminals extradited from Mexico.
Because of the agreement, the rapist is now serving in USA.
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The reason why USA should do it is obvious:
USA wants to be able to get criminals extradited from Mexico.
Because of the agreement, the rapist is now serving in USA.
-Hedge
Again, why does Mexico give a fucck? There is no Mexican citizen who is a "victim" here.
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I only have one thing to say: Alberto Gonzonlez is an Enemy of the State. Also know that it is within Condoleezza Rice's power to stop this. Lets see what kind of person she really is...
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The reason why USA should do it is obvious:
USA wants to be able to get criminals extradited from Mexico.
In my view, it's not worth the price. If US citizens can't feel safe from corrupt foreign "authorities" within US borders, what the fucck is the point?
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not to mention, the treaty is only observed one way... Mexico routinely says no to the US, but has a different standard for us and expects we will follow the treaty. There are over 200 cases in California alone of Mexico refusing to extradite criminals to America. In this case, few know this, but Dog actually had the Mexican police with him when the arrest of this scumbag was done, they called a cop to come to the apprehesion and the report that he was bound and gaged in the trunk coming across the border is false, it never happened that way.
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Again, why does Mexico give a fucck? There is no Mexican citizen who is a "victim" here.
Considering how 'above board' Mexico's justice system is, and considering how much money Luster has, it's quite possible a number of people who were on the Luster payroll have suffered tremendous financial damage due to his arrest, and are simply in search of their pound of flesh.
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I think the Mexican government wants money from the Dog. I also think it would be much more understandable if Luster was a Mexican citizen, and not about the prey on Mexican women.
But it's not over:
Chapman’s extradition not imminent
An attorney for the bounty hunter says appeals will be filed
By Nelson Daranciang
ndaranciang@starbulletin.com
Bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman is not facing imminent extradition to Mexico to stand trial on a charge stemming from his 2003 capture of a convicted rapist, Chapman's attorneys said yesterday.
"I don't expect an extradition hearing any time soon," said Brook Hart, one of three attorneys defending Chapman against a charge that he unlawfully deprived rapist and Max Factor heir Andrew Luster of liberty. Bounty hunting is illegal in Mexico unless supervised by authorities.
The Associated Press reported a Mexican court rejected Chapman's request for an injunction, clearing the way for the television reality show star to be extradited to Mexico.
After reading the report, William Bollard, Chapman's California-based lawyer, confirmed at least part of it: that a federal district court judge in Guadalajara is going to deny the request.
"We expect to get the official ruling by next week," Bollard said.
Bollard said that as soon as the court hands down its ruling, they will appeal it to the next higher court.
"Pending all appeals, there will be no action on extradition," he said.
The AP report said Chapman's lawyers argued that their client would not be guaranteed a fair trial in Mexico. The report attributed the statement to Norma Jara, whom the report identifies as a spokeswoman for the second district court in Guadalajara.
Bollard said the legal defense team has never said that, and, on the contrary, "We have always maintained that we are putting our faith in Mexican judicial system."
He said Jara is a low-level employee of the court and is not authorized to speak on behalf of the court.
Still, the report has affected the Chapmans, according to a written statement attributed to Chapman, wife Beth, son Leland and associate Tim Chapman (no relation). Leland and Tim Chapman are also facing prosecution in Mexico.
"This news has caused us great concern and anxiety," according to the statement. "We have always maintained that we would be cleared of the charges, based upon the atrocious crimes of Andrew Luster and because we believed we were within our rights under Mexican law."
Mexican authorities arrested Duane, Leland and Tim Chapman after they captured Luster in Puerto Vallarta in June 2003. The three men returned to the United States two weeks later after a Mexican judge granted their release on bail.
Last September, U.S. marshals arrested the trio for extradition at the request of the Mexican government. U.S. Magistrate Judge Barry Kurren granted the Chapmans their release on bail.
In October a federal appeals court in Guadalajara granted the Chapmans a stay of their criminal case and halted extradition proceedings until further evidence and testimony is gathered.
The Chapmans have maintained they were within their rights in capturing Luster and believed they were under the supervision of a Mexican police officer.
Luster disappeared in January 2003 before a California court convicted him of raping three woman and sentenced him to 124 years in prison. His disappearance set off an international manhunt by police the FBI and bounty hunters hoping to collect some of the bond money.
http://starbulletin.com/2007/02/17/news/story07.html
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I appreciate the support brahs.
God Bless.
Dog.
Dog have you thought about fleeing to mexico?
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Again, why does Mexico give a fucck? There is no Mexican citizen who is a "victim" here.
No there are not... and to boot, as has been stated... They NEVER extradite criminals to the US... I would give them a big middle finger and say come get some.
Someone is looking for a handout, and that's sad.
This is disgusting on so many levels.
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Considering how 'above board' Mexico's justice system is, and considering how much money Luster has, it's quite possible a number of people who were on the Luster payroll have suffered tremendous financial damage due to his arrest, and are simply in search of their pound of flesh.
And if that's the case, why should we play along?
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Fuck Mexico.
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Here's what makes no sense... if you took a poll, I'd bet at least 75% of Americans would oppose this extradition, yet the politicians seem ready to hand him over to Mexico if they ask, while at the same time, fewer than 25% of Americans oppose stem-cell research, yet the federal government makes it all but illegal in order to placate the small vocal minority. >:(
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Fighting Chapman's extracition wont win any votes. Banning stem cells wins votes from the religious demographic.
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Fighting Chapman's extracition wont win any votes.
No? I'd be more likely to vote for a politician who stood up and said "no, american citizens will not be fair game for Mexico's bullshit"... I think a lot of others would too.
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I really don't understand why the US is cooperating with this bullshit. A US citizen cannot get a fair trial in a Mexican court simply because he is a US citizen and they don't like us very much.
And why is Mexico pressing this? He isn't charged with murder or rape or robbery of a Mexican citizen. They want to charge him with kidnapping of a US citizen who was a criminal wanted by the US. Why does Mexico give a fucck?
I have no problem with extraditing US citizens who have commited crimes to other first-world countries with fair judicial systems like ours (Europe, Australia, Japan, etc), but NO WAY should we ever extradite a US citizen to a third-world country, especially on bullshit charges like these that didn't even effect any of their citizens.
Let those Mexicans smoke dog's ass down there.... The problem with your average american is (s)he is so stupid that basic laws and respect are foreign to them. You can not enter into another country to exercise what you feel is right. If a military person, cop, UN peace keeper etc entered america without notice and kidnapped someone...people would be up in arms even if the person was a serial killer. The issue is respect for the countries judicial system, laws, rules and sovereignty. Dog entered Mexico on the heels of a LIE. When asked why he was entering Mexico he DID NOT SAY he was a BOUNTY HUNTER looking to capture a rapist. HE LIED AND TOLD THEM HE WAS ON VACATION. So his statement was a lie and his actions a violation of Mexican authority. I say send the BASTARD there to ROT. As it stands american soldiers RAPED a number of Korean and Japanes girls (14 years and younger) which the military claimed they would handle the matter, but instead, the military claimed the soldiers were innocent and set them free. Does that now give Korea and Japan the right to come to america and kidnap the soldiers and execute whatever judgement RAPE carries on these men??? I SAY YES...Let Korea and Japan come over and take these bastards by hook or crook and electricute them or whatever their punishment is for the crime they commited, because this crime was committed on THEIR SOIL. If the Japanes or Korean girls were raped in america does that give Japan or Korea the right to come here as police/bounty hunter or whatever and kidnap the people and do to them what so ever they feel? I say no, because the crime was commited on US soil and therfore subject to US laws. This IDIOT DOG violated the LAW and therefore should be PUNISHED for doing so.
That Nancy Holloway chick was raped, killed kidnapped or whatever in Aruba...despite her being a US citizen america could do nothing but let Aruban justice take its course...WHY..because respect of that countries LAW is the issue. So the same in this case..
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Let those Mexicans smoke dog's ass down there.... The problem with your average american is (s)he is so stupid that basic laws and respect are foreign to them. You can not enter into another country to exercise what you feel is right. If a military person, cop, UN peace keeper etc entered america without notice and kidnapped someone...people would be up in arms even if the person was a serial killer. The issue is respect for the countries judicial system, laws, rules and sovereignty. Dog entered Mexico on the heels of a LIE. When asked why he was entering Mexico he DID NOT SAY he was a BOUNTY HUNTER looking to capture a rapist. HE LIED AND TOLD THEM HE WAS ON VACATION. So his statement was a lie and his actions a violation of Mexican authority. I say send the BASTARD there to ROT. As it stands american soldiers RAPED a number of Korean and Japanes girls (14 years and younger) which the military claimed they would handle the matter, but instead, the military claimed the soldiers were innocent and set them free. Does that now give Korea and Japan the right to come to america and kidnap the soldiers and execute whatever judgement RAPE carries on these men??? I SAY YES...Let Korea and Japan come over and take these bastards by hook or crook and electricute them or whatever their punishment is for the crime they commited, because this crime was committed on THEIR SOIL. If the Japanes or Korean girls were raped in america does that give Japan or Korea the right to come here as police/bounty hunter or whatever and kidnap the people and do to them what so ever they feel? I say no, because the crime was commited on US soil and therfore subject to US laws. This IDIOT DOG violated the LAW and therefore should be PUNISHED for doing so.
That Nancy Holloway chick was raped, killed kidnapped or whatever in Aruba...despite her being a US citizen america could do nothing but let Aruban justice take its course...WHY..because respect of that countries LAW is the issue. So the same in this case..
Why do you conveniently keep forgetting the fact that Dog enlisted a Mexican policeman to help him?
This case is hardly the same... If we ever found proof that someone in Aruba did something to that girl, you'd never get him into the states... Never.