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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: the shadow on February 25, 2007, 03:37:41 AM
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damn the once unbeatable guy is getting his ass kicked by every other fighter.he lost 2 fights in a row and also lost his middle weight championship belt..what the fuck is wrong with the great silva?
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Whats wrong is he has lost to two excellent fighters, there is no disgrace in either respect.
Secondly he is/was not as great as everyone makes out! He is brilliant, but he has 7 defeats now, thats a fair few!
I reckon he will come back from this.
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Whats wrong is he has lost to two excellent fighters, there is no disgrace in either respect.
Secondly he is/was not as great as everyone makes out! He is brilliant, but he has 7 defeats now, thats a fair few!
I reckon he will come back from this.
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but wandy was truly unbeatable few years ago but suddenly hes getting knocked out completely.he lost his title after being a champion for a long time.i think so he gonna end his career like ken shamrock
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Maybe i'm wrong but at first his intensity was so high that everyone feared him and thought he wasn't human and now we realize he's vulnerable kinda circa the ole Mike Tyson...
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he was trul unbeatable against japanese cans.
Also sakuraba was outweighed heavily and when he and cro cop drew first time around it was cro cops first foray into MMA
Look what happened a few years later.
His intensity is still there he is an animal, but he has lost before, Ortiz has beat him, BELFORT beat him!
he may have peaked and be on the the way down but he was never the god he was made out to be.
A great fighter yes but never invincible
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The guy's almost 30 now and he lost to a belt holder and arguably the 2nd best fighter in the world right now, is that a problem? No one is invincible forever. What a fucking amazing night.
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Pride should sign Shammy to fight Wandy ;D
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Henderson never seems to get his props. The guy is one of the best NHB fighters, ever.
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he was trul unbeatable against japanese cans.
Also sakuraba was outweighed heavily and when he and cro cop drew first time around it was cro cops first foray into MMA
Look what happened a few years later.
His intensity is still there he is an animal, but he has lost before, Ortiz has beat him, BELFORT beat him!
he may have peaked and be on the the way down but he was never the god he was made out to be.
A great fighter yes but never invincible
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This coupled with fighting under different rules, taking two of his best weapons away from him, kneeing a downed opponent, stomping a downed opponent, oh yeah, and vitamin S. I have said it before, in the cage, Chuck would have a great shot at KOing Wandy. Wandy's chin isn't as tough as Liddell's, he has been rocked by Mezger, Page, Hendo. He has made a career fighting Japanese fighters who are smaller, not as strong/athletic, who are unfamiliar with the clinch. (Where Wandy can knee successfully, prior to stomping) Wandy throws looping punches, isn't as adept at footwork as a world class striker, but is ultra aggressive. Not to mention, like Thin Lizzy said, Hendo is extremely underrated. He has never been KOed, and when he has lost by sub, he loses to bigger, longer opponents who are BJJ based. Hendo has always had power to spare to bang.
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That was a sweet knockout, I kinda feel bad for Wandy.. he's been KTFO in his last two fights...
and that was a sick left by Henderson
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in reflection, Wandy had Dan in a few positions where, if it were in Japan, he would have kneed the shit out of him and possibly got the upper hand. It looked like after a while he knew he was going to lose this fight. Loved how Nick Cage (BJJ practitioner - its true!) and Chuck were seated together ;D
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More UFC guys winning in pride... And wand losing two fights in a row...
But the bulk of hardcore fans still think pride fighters are better. Not only that but the UFC fighters were on losing streaks in the UFC.
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You cant seriously tell me UFC is better than Pride based on those 2 results? Nick Diaz will win fights in any Org. and Trigg was looking very good. However you MUST understand that pride fighters have different rules, and most of the UFC's crop would be buried under them because they arent used to them. Even Mirko said he nearly forgot he wasnt allowed to strike a downed opponent, and had he opened up on Sanchez the way he could have then he would indeed be dead now! ;D
The only way to settle this would be in a tournament between the 2 companies, however Dana isnt going to entertain that theory any time soon and for good reason
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like someone mentioned, i also think Wand is great, one of the top fighters and deserved be number one but he is not invencible neither the 'god' some people claim he is...
he has weaknesses and lost some fights before...Belfort did not 'won' against Wand, he simply passed on top of him like a truck
i won some good fights, but fighting some REAL competition he lost it. Tito, Belfort, Hunt and now henderson (who is a great fighter). Some of his best fights against a real good fighter was against rampage and sakuraba...the rest i think it was not THAT great...
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the thing is, if he is passed it and now a can, as you are labelling him, what does that make Rampage?
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Henderson never seems to get his props. The guy is one of the best NHB fighters, ever.
I never understood why Hendo never got the recognition he deserves from American mma fans. His wrestling is top notch (silver medal in greco) and punches extremely hard. How mmaweekly had him ranked below Rich Franklin after Ace was destroyed by Anderson Silva is beyone me.
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I never understood why Hendo never got the recognition he deserves from American mma fans. His wrestling is top notch (silver medal in greco) and punches extremely hard. How mmaweekly had him ranked below Rich Franklin after Ace was destroyed by Anderson Silva is beyone me.
I think you have Dan confused with Woogie. Dan never won a silver in Greco. He does have extremely heavy hands, and is capable of beating anyone. Wandy isn't done, but if they continue to showcase him in the US, a lot of his weapons aren't available. His striking isn't on par with Mirko, so his loss there isn't an indication of him slipping. He is wild, throws looping punches, bleeds easily, has a somewhat suspect chin, and his defense is getting worse. He is EXCELLENT in the clinch (as are all Chute Boxe fighters), delivers vicious knees, elbows, and is a savage.
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I think it's clear to see that Wand hasn't fully recovered from when he was KO'ed by Crocop. His confidence isn't there. He was more defensive, than offensive. A guy like that is not supposed to be KO'ed by Dan Henderson.
Wonder if we'll ever see the old Wand.
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I think it's clear to see that Wand hasn't fully recovered from when he was KO'ed by Crocop. His confidence isn't there. He was more defensive, than offensive. A guy like that is not supposed to be KO'ed by Dan Henderson.
Wonder if we'll ever see the old Wand.
Your coment makes the most sense out of everyones. Two K.O's have to play terror on your mind when you thought you were invinceble!
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Hendo has extremely heavy hands, he hit Wand with a spinning backfist that rocked Wand, and finished up with a nice combo. Don't sell Dan short, he did KO Murillo. Something that doesn't happen often.
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... has a somewhat suspect chin, ...
thank god im not the only one to notice that...I mean, is not that he has a chin made completely of glass, but he is miles and miles away from Mark Hunt chin of steel...
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Hendo would've lost the fight in Japan when he got caught north/south and Wandy would've been able to knee the ever living shit out of his face.
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Hendo would've lost the fight in Japan when he got caught north/south and Wandy would've been able to knee the ever living shit out of his face.
"I must break you" ::)
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I guess Wandy would have won if they didn't allow clean pinpoint punches to the jaw! ::) These excuses fuckin' kill me! Japan...rules...blah blah! The rules were the same for both guys! Wandy got knocked the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuck out! Period! Good night! Sleep tight! Dream of how you can get better for your next fight! Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one but nobody likes one. A real man can say that the other man was better that night! A baby cries and makes excuses.
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I guess Wandy would have won if they didn't allow clean pinpoint punches to the jaw! ::) These excuses fuckin' kill me! Japan...rules...blah blah! The rules were the same for both guys! Wandy got knocked the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuck out! Period! Good night! Sleep tight! Dream of how you can get better for your next fight! Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one but nobody likes one. A real man can say that the other man was better that night! A baby cries and makes excuses.
How is it an excuse? I'm a fan of both fighters but to say that Hendo wouldn't have gotten rocked from the north/south position is pretty stupid...or have you not seen a Pride event where fighters have ended up like that? I can think of a few....Wandy/Sakurba, Arona/Sakuraba and countless others where knees to the face changed the entire course of a fight.
"I must break you" ::)
Back on my nuts, eh tiny? Guess I should be happy you let them breathe long enough for me to fuck your sister and mother in the same night.
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Hendo has extremely heavy hands, he hit Wand with a spinning backfist that rocked Wand, and finished up with a nice combo. Don't sell Dan short, he did KO Murillo. Something that doesn't happen often.
yeah he's mostly decision but he has koed a few guys in his career so hes pretty well rounded. i give him credit for his win it's just that i didnt think wand was his usual self but thats his problem
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yeah he's mostly decision but he has koed a few guys in his career so hes pretty well rounded. i give him credit for his win it's just that i didnt think wand was his usual self but thats his problem
Apparently, Wandy had strep throat and was running a fever the night before the fight.
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Apparently, Wandy had strep throat and was running a fever the night before the fight.
In his defense, he did get a shot for strep at UMC (hospital in Vegas) as it was in the local paper.
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well anyway it was a pretty good fight. 8)
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heres the plain and simple truth:
If they had fought the exact same fight under Prides Japanese rules then IMO Wandy would have kneed and stomped the living shit out of Dan when he had him in position. You cant tell me he wasnt itching to do it when he had him down
Under Prides USA rules it was the perfect opportunity for Dan to get a win, which he duly did. Wandys confidence has taken a beating but make no mistake, he'll come back stronger for it. Now he knows he has limitations and will work on hiding them in future. Losing to Dan Henderson and Mirko does not mean you are finished by any means. We will see him stomp a hole in people for a while yet before he decides to retire
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heres the plain and simple truth:
If they had fought the exact same fight under Prides Japanese rules then IMO Wandy would have kneed and stomped the living shit out of Dan when he had him in position. You cant tell me he wasnt itching to do it when he had him down
Under Prides USA rules it was the perfect opportunity for Dan to get a win, which he duly did. Wandys confidence has taken a beating but make no mistake, he'll come back stronger for it. Now he knows he has limitations and will work on hiding them in future. Losing to Dan Henderson and Mirko does not mean you are finished by any means. We will see him stomp a hole in people for a while yet before he decides to retire
I agree. I honestly expect Wandy to come back with a vengeance. If I had held the belt for 6+ years and lost it in a bruiser of a battle, I would be out for blood. He's only 30, which is still young by MMA standards despite the fact he's been fighting for over 7 years. I look forward to seeing what he does, there's no way Wandy's going to let it fly equaling his loss record of the last 7 years in the course of 8 months. CHUTE BOXE WILL RISE UP!!!!!
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I guess Wandy would have won if they didn't allow clean pinpoint punches to the jaw! ::) These excuses fuckin' kill me! Japan...rules...blah blah! The rules were the same for both guys! Wandy got knocked the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuck out! Period! Good night! Sleep tight! Dream of how you can get better for your next fight! Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one but nobody likes one. A real man can say that the other man was better that night! A baby cries and makes excuses.
No excuse, Dan was the better man that night under those rules. But truth be told, if it is in Japan, no athletic commision, Dan gets stomped in the head, and kneed on the ground. (Just like the first fight, Dan winning on his feet, Wandy takes control late with knees and stomps).
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No excuse, Dan was the better man that night under those rules. But truth be told, if it is in Japan, no athletic commision, Dan gets stomped in the head, and kneed on the ground. (Just like the first fight, Dan winning on his feet, Wandy takes control late with knees and stomps).
I'm sure Wandy will want his revenge in Japan and his intensity will be through the roof next fight. Is it me or did he seem kind of out of it at the begining of the fight? Usually he comes out so intense and crazy that it gives me chills but this time he was really tame IMO.
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Yeah I doubt you will see this Rematch in the US but then again does anyone expect Dan to keep the belt if he goes back to Japan where knees are legal and also the STOMP... I think there were to many oppourtunities for that to happen..... So does Dan keep the belt long enough to give Wnady his rematch.... Do you see Wandy only having to win one fight to get his shot or two.....
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I'm sure Wandy will want his revenge in Japan and his intensity will be through the roof next fight. Is it me or did he seem kind of out of it at the begining of the fight? Usually he comes out so intense and crazy that it gives me chills but this time he was really tame IMO.
The commentator even noticed that and said Wandy fears Hendo's right hand :)
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Yeah the rules where definetly not in Wandys favor, thats what happened. I still think Wandy is a better fighter, since the less rules the more valid/close to a street fight it is, thus the more I can learn about real fighting on the street. Cro Cop is also at an disadvantage in the UFC, Pride rules are better for his style too.
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I think it's clear to see that Wand hasn't fully recovered from when he was KO'ed by Crocop. His confidence isn't there. He was more defensive, than offensive. A guy like that is not supposed to be KO'ed by Dan Henderson.
Wonder if we'll ever see the old Wand.
That happened to Vitor Belfort back in 1997.
He was supposed to be unbeatable....then he got beat by Couture...and he totally lost his mental edge.
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Yeah the rules where definetly not in Wandys favor, thats what happened. I still think Wandy is a better fighter, since the less rules the more valid/close to a street fight it is, thus the more I can learn about real fighting on the street. Cro Cop is also at an disadvantage in the UFC, Pride rules are better for his style too.
as a 10 year veteran and professional fighter Vanderlie has to be able to adjust his stratagies according to the given rules.
Its not like he is a rookie and a set of new rules was given to him while on his way into the ring.
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as a 10 year veteran and professional fighter Vanderlie has to be able to adjust his stratagies according to the given rules.
Its not like he is a rookie and a set of new rules was given to him while on his way into the ring.
Good point, not like it was his first fight.
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Yeah the rules where definetly not in Wandys favor, thats what happened. I still think Wandy is a better fighter, since the less rules the more valid/close to a street fight it is, thus the more I can learn about real fighting on the street. Cro Cop is also at an disadvantage in the UFC, Pride rules are better for his style too.
Crocop will do quite well with the UFC rules. His sprawl and brawl will become better with the use of the cage, and his ground and pound with the added element of elbows on the ground makes him even more dangerous. He did a lot of damage to Wandy in Wandy's closed guard. Can you imagine if he used elbows? He will be tougher to takedown, use the cage to wallwalk back to his feet, hell he can even grab it like Liddell.
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That happened to Vitor Belfort back in 1997.
He was supposed to be unbeatable....then he got beat by Couture...and he totally lost his mental edge.
Vitor has always been mentally suspect. He rose fast, never learned how to grind until he fought Couture (and Randy broke him) and could have gotten better had he not left with BTT and stayed with Carlson. As a BJJ black belt, he was too hands dependant, we never saw his best game as far as the ground is concerned. He would give up in fights, something we haven't seen Wandy do, when he was pushed. Bad analogy, Wandy was just matched up with Crocop, and with Hendo (who had a great gameplan and executed). We have to remember, Wandy destroyed Fujita not to long ago. That was a HUGE win.
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as a 10 year veteran and professional fighter Vanderlie has to be able to adjust his stratagies according to the given rules.
Its not like he is a rookie and a set of new rules was given to him while on his way into the ring.
Way easyer said then done, If your natural strong point is diffrent, your going to be weaker. And at that level of competition a split second makes a difference! I did a jujitsu comp last week end, and I'm a natural striker. I won 2 and lost 2, but if I could hit no way, I would have lost at all! I got put in 2 submissions that are easy to get out of if you can hit some one in the face. I don't mind losing at all cause thats how you learn, and become better. Like I always say you got to be willing to look bad, to look good ;) But I did learn loads about the ground game, so I'm very greatfull I got beat. Wandy has a street fighters thinking he is never going to win a pro boxing match against Roy Jones, with MMA Jones would never win. I gusse thats the point I'm trying to get at here.
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Crocop will do quite well with the UFC rules. His sprawl and brawl will become better with the use of the cage, and his ground and pound with the added element of elbows on the ground makes him even more dangerous. He did a lot of damage to Wandy in Wandy's closed guard. Can you imagine if he used elbows? He will be tougher to takedown, use the cage to wallwalk back to his feet, hell he can even grab it like Liddell.
I agree!! Crocop in close guard is goddamn scary!! he keeps finding ways to break through.
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Vitor has always been mentally suspect. He rose fast, never learned how to grind until he fought Couture (and Randy broke him) and could have gotten better had he not left with BTT and stayed with Carlson. As a BJJ black belt, he was too hands dependant, we never saw his best game as far as the ground is concerned. He would give up in fights, something we haven't seen Wandy do, when he was pushed. Bad analogy, Wandy was just matched up with Crocop, and with Hendo (who had a great gameplan and executed). We have to remember, Wandy destroyed Fujita not to long ago. That was a HUGE win.
the sad thing is, this is true. The problem was that almost everyone under Carlson 'debanded' (sp) at that time, so the got Vitor with him. And he was having problems with financial things with Carlson (the same thing hapenned at BTT then he left there too)
The word on the streets here in Brazil is that a little beforte Carlsonīs death, Vitor was talking to him to comeback to train with him....
Vitor + Carlson was a unbeatable team...Vitor didnt lost to Couture, he lost to himself. Was full of himselft, didnt trained, was overweight and tought 'hey, i can beat everyone any day' and that was his problem...
From there to now, the 'mental factor' is still his major problem...he has the skills, has the ability, has the potential and now has EXPERIENCE , a thing he didnt had at that time...but he has to work on his confidence...
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I agree totaly Tyson went through the same thing too. His trainner that died was the only one who could set the guys head straight. After his death Tyson fought like sh**.