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To me it's someone who doesn't believe in the core principles of our "constitution"
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Liberal. ;D
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To me it's someone who doesn't believe in the core principles of our "constitution"
Good question. I don't know if there is an all-encompassing definition, but I believe people who do nothing (or spend the majority of their time) accusing the government of misconduct, condemning our military, and refuse to acknowledge all of the good our country and military do are "anti-American."
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I just want to get this straight because it seems the "anti-American" term is used when people don;t agree with the government.
But isn't that what much of our constitution is based on: The ability of the people to change the government, to voice their opinions, free speech etc...?
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Good question. I don't know if there is an all-encompassing definition, but I believe people who do nothing (or spend the majority of their time) accusing the government of misconduct, condemning our military, and refuse to acknowledge all of the good our country and military do are "anti-American."
I can see your point. I just wouldn't call them anti-American.
Maybe you could call them the type of people that "find Fault" as if there is a reward for it.
Frankly though, regardless of the accuser. If it needs correcting it needs correcting.
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I can see your point. I just wouldn't call them anti-American.
Maybe you could call them the type of people that "find Fault" as if there is a reward for it.
Frankly though, regardless of the accuser. If it needs correcting it needs correcting.
I don't have a problem with people who find fault. I do that myself, particularly when it comes to taxes. But when that's ALL, or nearly all, a person does, and they refuse acknowledge the good, that's makes them anti-American in my book.
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Good question. I don't know if there is an all-encompassing definition, but I believe people who do nothing (or spend the majority of their time) accusing the government of misconduct, condemning our military, and refuse to acknowledge all of the good our country and military do are "anti-American."
I have to disagree.
Although I think people who just complains and have no alternatives are irritating, I don't see that as being Anti-American.
IMHO, being Anti-American is simply put to wish bad things on USA.
Both Edwards and Giuliani are very Pro-American IMO, they represent the American Dream, the American Man.
I have no doubts that both guys, despite their differences in political opinion, love their country.
I would say the same thing about Cindy Sherman too, to make a really extreme example. She may hate certain structures of the government, but I have no doubts that she loves her country.
One thing that most of us non-Americans usually notices about Americans, is how patriotic they are, and how uncomplicated and true that patriotism seems to be rooted.
Let me put it this way: I've yet to encounter an American who's doesn't love his/her country.
It's one of the finest qualities that USA offers.
-Hedge
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I have to disagree.
Although I think people who just complains and have no alternatives are irritating, I don't see that as being Anti-American.
IMHO, being Anti-American is simply put to wish bad things on USA.
Both Edwards and Giuliani are very Pro-American IMO, they represent the American Dream, the American Man.
I have no doubts that both guys, despite their differences in political opinion, love their country.
I would say the same thing about Cindy Sherman too, to make a really extreme example. She may hate certain structures of the government, but I have no doubts that she loves her country.
One thing that most of us non-Americans usually notices about Americans, is how patriotic they are, and how uncomplicated and true that patriotism seems to be rooted.
Let me put it this way: I've yet to encounter an American who's doesn't love his/her country.
It's one of the finest qualities that USA offers.
-Hedge
You're a lot more optimistic about some of our so-called Americans. I respect many people who criticize our government and our military, even when I don't agree with them. I do not respect those who do nothing but complain and try to explain away the great things our country and military have done, not just recently, but throughout history. The First Amendment gives these people the right to express their opinion and I love the First Amendment. The First Amendment also gives me the right, subject to certain restrictions, to tell them they suck. I wish they would leave.
There are those in the press that do a good job of being a watchdog. There are organizations that do nothing but sue the government (e.g., Judicial Watch). They all serve very useful functions and we need them. But the parrots who see nothing but evil in our government and military should find a new zip code IMO.
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Liberal. ;D
You beat me too it ;D!!
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You beat me too it ;D!!
so define anti American then
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One excellent example IMO would be people who ignore things like the President of our great country meeting with leaders of Mexico and Canada to discuss trampling on our Sovereignty to create a North American Union.
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People who don't support our Constitution by supporting wire taps of its own Citizens.
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People who oppose a new 911 investigation despite the quickly mounting pile of evidence that there was at the very least allowance and at the worst, complicity, on the part of a small group of people here.
If you see this evidence and the holes in the official story, and you don't want a new investigation, then by the very definition you support those who aid terrorists- you want them to get away with it.
Or, you are just a little bitch made punk scared to face facts.
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People who don't support our Constitution by supporting wire taps of its own Citizens.
Dude. Law enforcement obtains wiretaps on American citizens every day. Do you mean warrantless wiretaps?
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"Anti-American" is an all-purpose slur used by the right-wing when performing ad hominem attacks on their perceived enemies.
It is useless for political taxonomy, rational thought, or any other constructive purpose.
Hope this helps.
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"Anti-American" is an all-purpose slur used by the right-wing when performing ad hominem attacks on their perceived enemies.
It is useless for political taxonomy, rational thought, or any other constructive purpose.
Hope this helps.
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Today, the Vice-President was almost killed and the stock market took a steep drop.
Go to left-wing blogs and you'll see both these events cheered.
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Today, the Vice-President was almost killed and the stock market took a steep drop.
Go to left-wing blogs and you'll see both these events cheered.
According to the news he was never in any danger.
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According to the news he was never in any danger.
Doesn't make what I said about left-wing blogs false.
This has been a great day for the far left.
I remember the day when the Al-Qaeda leader in Iraq, Zarqawi, was killed. I checked out some left-wing blogs. They were heartbroken.
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Today, the Vice-President was almost killed and the stock market took a steep drop.
Go to left-wing blogs and you'll see both these events cheered.
Dick Cheney authorizes torture. Left-wing types don't like torturers.
I don't expect you to understand that. But how about this?
Dick Cheney leaked the identity of an undercover CIA operative to discredit a political enemy.
I figured even right-wing types could get their dander up about that. But I guess tribal loyalty outweighs all. :(
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Dick Cheney authorizes torture. Left-wing types don't like torturers.
I don't expect you to understand that. But how about this?
Dick Cheney leaked the identity of an undercover CIA operative to discredit a political enemy.
I figured even right-wing types could get their dander up about that. But I guess tribal loyalty outweighs all. :(
With lefties like yourself, one always has to read between the lines. You expand the definition of torture to the point where it means overcooking a detainees'
rice, and then you accuse the U.S of torture.
What you're really trying to do is hamstring the military and the authorities.
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What you're really trying to do is hamstring the military and the authorities.
I could answer with a tu quoque by saying that by countenancing the exposure of clandestine CIA agents [a point you unsurprisingly failed to address], what you're really trying to do is hamstring the intelligence services.
But that's probably not the case. You're simply too embarrassed to acknowledge the truth plain to all but 19% of your countrymen: that Cheney is a greedy murderous incompetent.
And until you get waterboarded [that Cheney-endorsed method of "aggressive interrogation"], it would be seemlier for you not to speak in terms of "expanding the definition of torture".
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Dude. Law enforcement obtains wiretaps on American citizens every day. Do you mean warrantless wiretaps?
Yes
I support Wire Taps with court approval. 10000000000%
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Americans who stoop down to the level of our enemy's by supporting torture.
I'm fine with soldiers who unofficially pistol whip some terrorist to get info, but officially it makes us look no better than the people who want us dead.
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"Anti-American" is an all-purpose slur used by the right-wing when performing ad hominem attacks on their perceived enemies.
It is useless for political taxonomy, rational thought, or any other constructive purpose.
Hope this helps.
What is "political taxonomy"?
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Someone who opposes the best interests of our country is anti-American imo.
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Someone who opposes the best interests of our country are anti-American imo.
And who gets to define what those "best interests" are?
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And who gets to define what those "best interests" are?
That is where things get tricky. Politicians with opposing viewpoints (from far left all the way to far right) will believe their positions are correct. Cheering for the U.S. to lose in Iraq, the stock market to crash, etc. is anti-American to me.
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What is "political taxonomy"?
And you claim to be a college professor? ;D
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That is where things get tricky. Politicians with opposing viewpoints (from far left all the way to far right) will believe their positions are correct. Cheering for the U.S. to lose in Iraq, the stock market to crash, etc. is anti-American to me.
who's cheering for the USA to lose in Iraq? I've never seen one liberal American on this board say that.
please show an example.
for that matter any American who is a liberal and not a terrorist.
because i think that "belief" is a result of _____________.
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That is where things get tricky. Politicians with opposing viewpoints (from far left all the way to far right) will believe their positions are correct. Cheering for the U.S. to lose in Iraq, the stock market to crash, etc. is anti-American to me.
American patriots have cheered for the stock market to crash since the invention of the stock market. It's only the masses that mistakenly think it should always be up. That's how the rich stay rich. They know Joe average is going to be going long, ...while they are able to read the writing on the wall, properly interpret the data, understand the ramifications both short term and long term, ...and they bet accordingly. it's the American way. Don't kid yourself... when the stock market crashes, ...there are fortunes made. $$$$
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American patriots have cheered for the stock market to crash since the invention of the stock market. It's only the masses that mistakenly think it should always be up. That's how the rich stay rich. They know Joe average is going to be going long, ...while they are able to read the writing on the wall, properly interpret the data, understand the ramifications both short term and long term, ...and they bet accordingly. it's the American way. Don't kid yourself... when the stock market crashes, ...there are fortunes made. $$$$
That's what "selling off" is all about.
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who's cheering for the USA to lose in Iraq? I've never seen one liberal American on this board say that.
I've said I want us to lose.
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ANTI-AMERICAN..........................people who don't VOTE, yet complain about the government and Constitutional Rights. ;D
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Today, the Vice-President was almost killed and the stock market took a steep drop.
you're being a drama queen. Pent. said Cheney was never in danger.
Are you taking back this point now?
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you're being a drama queen. Pent. said Cheney was never in danger.
Are you taking back this point now?
Before the details were made known, the media made it seem as though it was a close shave. Later reports indicated otherwise.
Doesn't change the fact that left-wing bloggers were lamenting that the attempt wasn't successful.
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Before the details were made known, the media made it seem as though it was a close shave. Later reports indicated otherwise.
Doesn't change the fact that left-wing bloggers were lamenting that the attempt wasn't successful.
Don't know how much truth there is to your allegation, ...but I think Republicans lament failed murder attempts.
I can only imagine Cheney's disappointment when that grenade lobbed in Georgia turned out to be a dud. :-\
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I could answer with a tu quoque by saying that by countenancing the exposure of clandestine CIA agents [a point you unsurprisingly failed to address], what you're really trying to do is hamstring the intelligence services.
But that's probably not the case. You're simply too embarrassed to acknowledge the truth plain to all but 19% of your countrymen: that Cheney is a greedy murderous incompetent.
And until you get waterboarded [that Cheney-endorsed method of "aggressive interrogation"], it would be seemlier for you not to speak in terms of "expanding the definition of torture".
And it will be guys like u who whine and complain when we get smoked again by these people. I guess idiots like u feel u will be exempt from the next attack. As if the terrorists will say..ok guys this attack is only against the conservative repubs...all left wing apologists are exempt. Sorry bud but they hate u as well and when one of our cities glows because we didn't do enough to get the info we need then we will have nobody to blame but the pervasive politically correct bs that the left has been spewing for 20 years. And check ur facts..the VP has not been charged with nor has it been proven that he outed a CIA analyst. Until then...check ur facts.
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when one of our cities glows because we didn't do enough to get the info we need then we will have nobody to blame but the pervasive politically correct bs that the left has been spewing for 20 years.
All the experts in this field agree that torture [surely a gritty, do-what-it-takes guy like you doesn't need to hide behind the euphemism of "do enough", hmm?] does not produce reliable intelligence.
But of course it's never been about reliable intelligence. As Orwell observed, "The point of torture is torture." Young George W. was torturing animals long before he could try excusing his taste for cruelty by saying he needed to protect an American city from a terrorist attack. (As if Katrina didn't show one and all exactly how much he cares about American cities.)
But never let it be said he hasn't been effective in at least this respect. Before January 2001, anyone attempting any kind of defense of torture would have been instantly recognized and denounced as a rabid lunatic. Thanks to 6 years of his poisonous rule, your kind has been afforded a genuine, if still rancidly distasteful, spot in the mainstream of public discourse.
God help us all.
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Define torture..use of chemicals/extreme isolation....etc works. Humiliation works to some extent. Since u have never talked to an American trained interrogator about his job or what works..i guess left wing BS web sites or the media are all u have. My "kind" keeps u from glowing.
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Define torture....My "kind" keeps u from glowing.
Deliberate infliction of physical or mental pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
For example: holding someone's head under water until they feel like they're going to drown. ::)
Honestly, do you feel proud that American interrogators have sunk to the level of the Khmer Rouge?
Your kind is what has made America a pariah nation, and will fuel extremist anti-American violence for decades to come. Nice work, asshole.
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My kind keeps assholes like u safe. We defend the country while u whine and bitch about what a horrible place this is. Pariah nation..that eveybody wants to come to to. And don't worry ribo, i'll keep u safe from all that anti-American violence..that has existed since ww2, safely away from u. Sleep well knowing that all that horrible torture, violence and mayhem is making sure u and ur kids will stay safe for generations.
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My kind keeps assholes like u safe. We defend the country while u whine and bitch about what a horrible place this is. Pariah nation..that eveybody wants to come to to. And don't worry ribo, i'll keep u safe from all that anti-American violence..that has existed since ww2, safely away from u. Sleep well knowing that all that horrible torture, violence and mayhem is making sure u and ur kids will stay safe for generations.
In light of your conviction that our military torturers are providing a noble and valuable service to their country, would you be in favor of putting up a statue to them in D.C. someplace? Next to the Washington Monument, perhaps. A dramatic statue of a CIA interrogator holding some sand-ni@@er's head under water as he thrashes against the bonds keeping his hands tied behind his back. Patriots like you could bring your daughters to it and explain how men like these have made sure that she gets to grow up in the greatest country that ever was.
It seems like the least we could do to thank them.
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As long as its not glowing sure... ::). War is not pretty..torture does not need to be on the front pages of evey news magazine and cable news show..it just has to work to protect us. They do the same to us without a thought as to how we treat their prisoners. I look at this war as a fight between the West and the muslim extremeists. A war for our survival. U have a very naive view of these people and what they want to do to us.
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And you claim to be a college professor? ;D
Translation: you don't know what it means either. I confess I have never heard anyone use the phrase "political taxonomy." Still don't know what it means.
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Translation: you don't know what it means either. I confess I have never heard anyone use the phrase "political taxonomy." Still don't know what it means.
The Internet is an amazing thing. in addition to all the free porn, it lets you look up the definition of words!
tax·on·o·my [noun] - 3. Division into ordered groups or categories
http://www.bartleby.com/61/54/T0065400.html
Hope this helps.
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The Internet is an amazing thing. in addition to all the free porn, it lets you look up the definition of words!
tax·on·o·my [noun] - 3. Division into ordered groups or categories
http://www.bartleby.com/61/54/T0065400.html
Hope this helps.
O.K. So what you meant to say is it is impossible to use the term "anti-American" to place people in political groups or categories? I don't think anyone was arguing that point, so your use of the phrase "political taxonomy" was out of place. I suspect it was an attempt to make yourself sound more intelligent than you really are. Not calling you stupid by any means, but I just don't hear people talk this way very often. I think you get your point across much better if you dumb down the language, particularly for the slow ones like me. :)
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American patriots have cheered for the stock market to crash since the invention of the stock market. It's only the masses that mistakenly think it should always be up. That's how the rich stay rich. They know Joe average is going to be going long, ...while they are able to read the writing on the wall, properly interpret the data, understand the ramifications both short term and long term, ...and they bet accordingly. it's the American way. Don't kid yourself... when the stock market crashes, ...there are fortunes made. $$$$
That's inaccurate. Try reading "The Millionaire Next Door" and "The Millionaire Mind." Twenty year studies of American millionaires. They by and large do not play the market. They buy and hold.
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That's inaccurate. Try reading "The Millionaire Next Door" and "The Millionaire Mind." Twenty year studies of American millionaires. They by and large do not play the market. They buy and hold.
And they love "Club-Sandwiches"! ;D
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My kind keeps assholes like u safe.
Only if you're alive to do it. We want you alive and well. ...not talking much, ...but alive & studly. :P
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That's inaccurate. Try reading "The Millionaire Next Door" and "The Millionaire Mind." Twenty year studies of American millionaires. They by and large do not play the market. They buy and hold.
I've read both. However, my comment was not about American millionaires. It was about American patriots.
People go short ALL the time. They just don't always brag about it when a crash occurs because too many people are hurting, but there's nothing wrong with it. It's the American Way... like apple pie, and tacky plastic flags.
And even though they go short, doesn't mean they don't still love their country and the constitution.
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I've read both. However, my comment was not about American millionaires. It was about American patriots.
People go short ALL the time. They just don't always brag about it when a crash occurs because too many people are hurting, but there's nothing wrong with it. It's the American Way... like apple pie, and tacky plastic flags.
And even though they go short, doesn't mean they don't still love their country and the constitution.
I was addressing this: "That's how the rich stay rich." The "rich" (i.e., those with a high net worth) don't typically get that way by playing the market. They are mostly conservative investors.
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I was addressing this: "That's how the rich stay rich." The "rich" (i.e., those with a high net worth) don't typically get that way by playing the market. They are mostly conservative investors.
You're refering to nouveau riche. I'm not saying that's how they got there, however, it certainly is how many of them stay there. Old money definitely invests in the stock market.. long & short.
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You're refering to nouveau riche. I'm not saying that's how they got there, however, it certainly is how many of them stay there. Old money definitely invests in the stock market.. long & short.
No I'm not. And quit using them big words, sending me to my dictionary and all. :) I'm referring to American millionaires: those with a net worth of at least a million. If you've read The Millionaire Next Door and The Millionaire Mind you'd know that the vast majority of American millionaires did not inherit their wealth. And they are in fact conservative investors.
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No I'm not. And quit using them big words, sending me to my dictionary and all. :) I'm referring to American millionaires: those with a net worth of at least a million. If you've read The Millionaire Next Door and The Millionaire Mind you'd know that the vast majority of American millionaires did not inherit their wealth. And they are in fact conservative investors.
It's easy to be a millionaire. I'm talking serious money that's easily liquidatable! keep up please!
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To me it's someone who doesn't believe in the core principles of our "constitution"
"Tell me"..."Is it." I have the right to Bear Arms"?, or "Is it the right to Arm Bears"?
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"Tell me"..."Is it." I have the right to Bear Arms"?, or "Is it the right to Arm Bears"?
Only when the bears are sedated. Otherwise we'll be force to make laws that protect you from your choices:
like pot and prostitution ;)
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It's easy to be a millionaire. I'm talking serious money that's easily liquidatable! keep up please!
Oh right. A net worth of a million is not "easy." Hogwash. I'm not talking about people who have high incomes. Now that is fairly easy, depending on your profession. The creation of wealth (i.e., a high net worth) is not. It takes years for most American millionaires to accumulate a high net worth. And they typically don't get, and stay, there by being high risk investors.
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Oh right. A net worth of a million is not "easy." Hogwash. I'm not talking about people who have high incomes. Now that is fairly easy, depending on your profession. The creation of wealth (i.e., a high net worth) is not. It takes years for most American millionaires to accumulate a high net worth. And they typically don't get, and stay, there by being high risk investors.
If it's not easy, it's because most people follow teachings that are designed to keep other people wealthy and them employed. You're never going to get wealthy worrying about your bosses bottom line which is what most of society is taught to do. Furthermore who is talking high risk? You're steering this completely off track. The bottom line is there is nothing UN-American about going short as the earlier poster claimed.
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If it's not easy, it's because most people follow teachings that are designed to keep other people wealthy and them employed. You're never going to get wealthy worrying about your bosses bottom line which is what most of society is taught to do. Furthermore who is talking high risk? You're steering this completely off track. The bottom line is there is nothing UN-American about going short as the earlier poster claimed.
Who's talking about being "un-American"? I was addressing the discrete point you made about wealthy people in America playing the market. That's it.
A very large percentage of American millionaires run their own business, so it's true that it is difficult for many people to create wealth, because they are punching someone else's clock.
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Who's talking about being "un-American"? I was addressing the discrete point you made about wealthy people in America playing the market. That's it.
OKMike was. that's who.
I was addressing his comment about it being UN-American to want the stock market to crash.
I was pointing out that plenty of American's bet on it crashing all the time. It's the American way.
Maybe you should read the threads before comenting on them... makes ya look less stooopid, ...if that's possible :P
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OKMike was. that's who.
I was addressing his comment about it being UN-American to want the stock market to crash.
I was pointing out that plenty of American's bet on it crashing all the time. It's the American way.
Maybe you should read the threads before comenting on them... makes ya look less stooopid, ...if that's possible :P
Here is what I was addressing:
Quote from: jaguarenterprises on February 27, 2007, 07:42:13 PM
American patriots have cheered for the stock market to crash since the invention of the stock market. It's only the masses that mistakenly think it should always be up. That's how the rich stay rich. They know Joe average is going to be going long, ...while they are able to read the writing on the wall, properly interpret the data, understand the ramifications both short term and long term, ...and they bet accordingly. it's the American way. Don't kid yourself... when the stock market crashes, ...there are fortunes made. $$$$
That's factually inaccurate, and I've already explained why.
And regarding me being stupid: I plead guilty. :) Regarding you calling me stupid, I had a conversation with a wise man on Friday. I was trying to make the point that it is important not make any enemies in such a small town (we have well over 800,000 in this town, but it's creepy how so many of us are connected). He told me it isn't so much whether you have enemies, but who those enemies are, because they help define you. I thought that was a profound statement (and I agree). So . . . even though you're not my enemy, what I'm trying to say is I take comfort in the fact that you call me stupid. :D
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Here is what I was addressing:
That's factually inaccurate, and I've already explained why.
And regarding me being stupid: I plead guilty. :) Regarding you calling me stupid, I had a conversation with a wise man on Friday. I was trying to make the point that it is important not make any enemies in such a small town (we have well over 800,000 in this town, but it's creepy how so many of us are connected). He told me it isn't so much whether you have enemies, but who those enemies are, because they help define you. I thought that was a profound statement (and I agree). So . . . even though you're not my enemy, what I'm trying to say is I take comfort in the fact that you call me stupid. :D
Everyone in that entire state is connected. You probably know Sal and Ernie, and if you don't, some you know does. There isn't 6 degrees of separation there it's more like 2.
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Everyone in that entire state is connected. You probably know Sal and Ernie, and if you don't, some you know does. There isn't 6 degrees of separation there it's more like 2.
Dude. You have NO idea (well, yes you do :)). I was at the state senate on Friday to testify on behalf of a friend and former co-worker who has been nominated for position in state government by the Governor. It was fascinating to see the people in the room and how we all know this person. During a break I went to lunch with an older man who had previously employed the nominee. I know this older man, because he is head of the board of directors for a nonprofit that I volunteer with. When I get back to my office and talked about the hearing and my lunch it turns out one of the secretaries in my office used to baby-sit this older man's kids. I have about a hundred stories like this.
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OKMike was. that's who.
I was addressing his comment about it being UN-American to want the stock market to crash.
I was pointing out that plenty of American's bet on it crashing all the time. It's the American way.
Maybe you should read the threads before comenting on them... makes ya look less stooopid, ...if that's possible :P
You misunderstood the post. I was referring to those who would like to see the American economy crippled to weaken its position in the world, not to make a few bucks.
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To me it's someone who doesn't believe in the core principles of our "constitution"
anti bush = anti american
anti zionism = anti american
:)
gawd i'm travelling to paki come august..i'm soooooo gonna get harassed.. :( luckily..i'll have plenty of valium on me! ;D
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You misunderstood the post. I was referring to those who would like to see the American economy crippled to weaken its position in the world, not to make a few bucks.
Lefties always cream in their pants when the stock market takes a hit because they think that this might be the time when the rest of us come to our senses and cry out for the Capitalist system to be replaced by a Marxist/Socialist model.
Sorry, Pinkos. Not gonna happen.
Go cry on Noam Chomsky's and Howard Zinn's shoulders.
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Lefties always cream in their pants when the stock market takes a hit because they think that this might be the time when the rest of us come to our senses and cry out for the Capitalist system to be replaced by a Marxist/Socialist model.
Sorry, Pinkos. Not gonna happen.
Go cry on Noam Chomsky's and Howard Zinn's shoulders.
I like your style, Lizzy. The far Left and far Right's hand in hand journey is one that frequently amuses me too.
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I like your style, Lizzy. The far Left and far Right's hand in hand journey is one that frequently amuses me too.
you listen to journey and cry when ya masterbate dontcha?
1 removed from inbread redneck is usually always the most rightie patrotic.. ;D
..even if it does his country harm..
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You misunderstood the post. I was referring to those who would like to see the American economy crippled to weaken its position in the world, not to make a few bucks.
No, you miscommunicated. That's not what you said, ...even if it is what you meant.
Different words have different meanings for a reason. So if you mean A... say A, ...not B.