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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on March 06, 2007, 01:27:04 PM
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I have been checking some of Anssi`s references and it is pretty startling where they are coming from.
This one appears on the Front MD page.
Hoffman JR et al. Effect of protein intake on strength, body composition and endocrine changes in strength/power athletes. J Int Soc Sports Nutr, 3(2):12-18, 2006.
I invite anyone to find it.
Also, GOOGLE:J Int Soc Sports Nutr.
It`s pretty funny their agenda.
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I have been checking some of Anssi`s references and it is pretty startling where they are coming from.
This one appears on the Front MD page.
Hoffman JR et al. Effect of protein intake on strength, body composition and endocrine changes in strength/power athletes. J Int Soc Sports Nutr, 3(2):12-18, 2006.
I invite anyone to find it.
Also, GOOGLE:J Int Soc Sports Nutr.
It`s pretty funny their agenda.
Ha hey adonis? Is he still boasting of his stretch marks turning red again and gaing 5 pounds of solid muscle a week? Rofl, another delusionite.
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He never once posted a picture.
NOT ONE.
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He never once posted a picture.
NOT ONE.
You never once posted a video of your deadlift.
NOT ONE.
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He never once posted a picture.
NOT ONE.
Hahaah wrong, he posted one of his arm pit and a fat flabby pale arm with red stretch marks.
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You never once posted a video of your deadlift.
NOT ONE.
I am currently training for that deadlift feat and will attempt it in the future.
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Is a Very High Protein Intake Beneficial for Gym Rats?
Written by Anssi Manninen
Monday, 05 March 2007
It's well established that serious athletes need more protein than sedentary people. However, it's unclear whether a very high protein intake offers advantages over a moderately high protein intake. So, a recent study at the College of New Jersey examined the effects of varying daily protein intakes on strength, body composition and endocrine changes (e.g., testosterone, cortisol, IGF-1) during a 12-week resistance-training program. In this study, 23 collegiate strength-power athletes were stratified into three separate categories of daily protein consumption: below recommended levels (1-1.4 grams/kilogram/day), recommended levels (1.6-1.8 grams/kilogram/day) and above recommended levels (more than 2 grams/kilogram/day).
Since the results indicated no statistically significant differences in strength, body composition or hormone levels between the groups, the authors concluded, "The results of this study do not provide support for protein intakes greater than recommended levels in collegiate strength/power athletes for body composition improvements or alterations in resting hormonal concentrations."
It should be noted, however, that lean body mass was increased by 1.1 ± 2.2 kilograms in a very high protein group and 0.8 ± 1.5 kilograms in a moderately high protein group, whereas no change was observed in a lower protein group. Furthermore, a 35 percent and 42 percent greater improvement in bench press maximum was seen by a very high protein group in comparison to a lower protein group and a moderately high protein group, respectively. Also, improvements in squat maximum were 63 percent and 22 percent greater for a very high protein group compared to a lower protein group and a moderately high protein group, respectively. Thus, it appears that a very high protein intake offers some advantages during resistance training.
Reference: Hoffman JR et al. Effect of protein intake on strength, body composition and endocrine changes in strength/power athletes. J Int Soc Sports Nutr, 3(2):12-18, 2006.
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In my opinion it is VERY misleading since I cannot seem to find the proper reference.
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Talking about that joker is a waste of bandwidth.
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if his strecth are turning red on his gut, hes gonna be a big dude lol
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You never once posted a video of your deadlift.
NOT ONE.
See how he's ignoring you?
TA you fucker, come on, post that vid.
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Is this it???
www.sportsnutritionsocie ty.org/site/pdf/JISSN-3-2-12-18-06.pdf
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See how he's ignoring you?
TA you fucker, come on, post that vid.
Yeah come on man, post that vid.
Come on, you can do it!!!
-Hedge
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its common knowledge that most of those "research" articles are made up.
how many people do you think that read that nonsense would even bother to look up any of the sources listed. and if they did, how many of the sources are fake or made up?
that shit is like an x files mystery.
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Come on, Adam, where's the fucking deadlift video??
If you could really do it, you could post that vid, right?
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BWAHAHAHAHA
it took what? 10 min for saxon to find it?
adonis was clearly banking on nobody giving enough of a damn to what he posts to actually look for it, but got burned yet again
Actually it took 10 seconds
Put this in google "Effect of protein intake on strength" and it is the first hit...
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BWAHAHAHAHA
it took what? 10 min for saxon to find it?
adonis was clearly banking on nobody giving enough of a damn to what he posts to actually look for it, but got burned yet again
Very good.
I knew someone could find it.
Reading the thing in its entirety is kind of interesting when compared to the article.
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JOURNAL OF THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY OF SPORTS NUTRITION
http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/site/journal/journal_index.php
It isn't made up, it is peer reviewed...but who knows what the quality of research is...
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Is this it???
www.sportsnutritionsocie ty.org/site/pdf/JISSN-3-2-12-18-06.pdf
Looks legit.
Although I think the thesis lacks a thorough discussion on the method problems, all in all, there's no major problem with it IMO.
-Hedge
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Now read the ABSTRACT compared to the Article.
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ABSTRACT:Comparison of protein intakes on strength, body composition and hormonal changes were examined in 23 experienced collegiate strength/power athletes participating in a 12-week resistance training program. Subjectswere stratified into three groups depending upon their daily consumption of protein; below recommended levels (BL; 1.0 – 1.4 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1; n = 8), recommended levels (RL; 1.6 – 1.8 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1; n = 7) and above recommended levels (AL; > 2.0 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1; n = 8). Subjects were assessed for strength [one-repetition maximum (1-RM) bench press and squat] and body composition. Resting blood samples were analyzed for total testosterone, cortisol, growth hormone, and insulin-like growth factor. No differences were seen in energyintake (3,171 ± 577 kcal) between the groups, and the energy intake for all groups were also below the recommended levels for strength/power athletes. No significant changes were seen in body mass, lean body mass or fat mass in any group. Significant improvements in 1-RM bench press and 1-RM squat were seen in all three groups, however no differences between the groups were observed. Subjects in AL experienced a 22%and 42% greater change in Δ 1-RM squat and Δ 1-RM bench press than subjects in RL, however thesedifferences were not significant. No significant changes were seen in any of the resting hormonalconcentrations. The results of this study do not provide support for protein intakes greater than recommended levels in collegiate strength/power athletes for body composition improvements, or alterations in restinghormonal concentrations. Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. 3(2):12-18, 2006
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and here is the article written by Anssi.
Is a Very High Protein Intake Beneficial for Gym Rats?
Written by Anssi Manninen
Monday, 05 March 2007
It's well established that serious athletes need more protein than sedentary people. However, it's unclear whether a very high protein intake offers advantages over a moderately high protein intake. So, a recent study at the College of New Jersey examined the effects of varying daily protein intakes on strength, body composition and endocrine changes (e.g., testosterone, cortisol, IGF-1) during a 12-week resistance-training program. In this study, 23 collegiate strength-power athletes were stratified into three separate categories of daily protein consumption: below recommended levels (1-1.4 grams/kilogram/day), recommended levels (1.6-1.8 grams/kilogram/day) and above recommended levels (more than 2 grams/kilogram/day).
Since the results indicated no statistically significant differences in strength, body composition or hormone levels between the groups, the authors concluded, "The results of this study do not provide support for protein intakes greater than recommended levels in collegiate strength/power athletes for body composition improvements or alterations in resting hormonal concentrations."
It should be noted, however, that lean body mass was increased by 1.1 ± 2.2 kilograms in a very high protein group and 0.8 ± 1.5 kilograms in a moderately high protein group, whereas no change was observed in a lower protein group. Furthermore, a 35 percent and 42 percent greater improvement in bench press maximum was seen by a very high protein group in comparison to a lower protein group and a moderately high protein group, respectively. Also, improvements in squat maximum were 63 percent and 22 percent greater for a very high protein group compared to a lower protein group and a moderately high protein group, respectively. Thus, it appears that a very high protein intake offers some advantages during resistance training.
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Now read the ABSTRACT compared to the Article.
Why?
Because you can't do it yourself?
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LOOK AT THE GLARING ERRORS.
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Now read the ABSTRACT compared to the Article.
Yeah?
The article states the exactly same thing.
Here's from the Article itself:
CONCLUSION
The results of this study do not provide any support for protein intakes greater than recommended levels in collegiate strength/power athletes for body composition improvements, or alterations in resting hormonal concentrations. Inadequate energy intakes likely contributed to these results. Although elevated protein content did not produce significantly greater strength improvements, results suggest that further study is warranted on the effect of high (> 2.0 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1) protein intake on strength and lean tissue accruement. However, future research needs to insure appropriate caloric consumption in the examination of strength/power athletes.
-Hedge
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The Study Says: No differences were seen in energyintake (3,171 ± 577 kcal) between the groups, and the energy intake for all groups were also below the recommended levels for strength/power athletes. No significant changes were seen in body mass, lean body mass or fat mass in any group. Significant improvements in 1-RM bench press and 1-RM squat were seen in all three groups, however no differences between the groups were observed. Subjects in AL experienced a 22%and 42% greater change in Δ 1-RM squat and Δ 1-RM bench press than subjects in RL, however thesedifferences were not significant. No significant changes were seen in any of the resting hormonalconcentrations. The results of this study do not provide support for protein intakes greater than recommended levels in collegiate strength/power athletes for body composition improvements, or alterations in restinghormonal concentrations. Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. 3(2):12-18, 2006
Anssi Says about the Study:It should be noted, however, that lean body mass was increased by 1.1 ± 2.2 kilograms in a very high protein group and 0.8 ± 1.5 kilograms in a moderately high protein group, whereas no change was observed in a lower protein group. Furthermore, a 35 percent and 42 percent greater improvement in bench press maximum was seen by a very high protein group in comparison to a lower protein group and a moderately high protein group, respectively. Also, improvements in squat maximum were 63 percent and 22 percent greater for a very high protein group compared to a lower protein group and a moderately high protein group, respectively. Thus, it appears that a very high protein intake offers some advantages during resistance training.
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LOOK AT THE GLARING ERRORS.
Perhaps it is beyond your level of comprehension......
I haven't read either (article or abstract), but I just thought I'd offer a possible explanation.
P.S. How's the deadlift video coming???
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Perhaps it is beyond your level of comprehension......
I haven't read either (article or abstract), but I just thought I'd offer a possible explanation.
P.S. How's the deadlift video coming???
Hell, you've been waiting too for him to post that vid?
::) ::)
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The lack of significant changes doesn't actually mean no changes, if they are referring to statistical significance. Increases in weight may have been found they just weren't statistically significant. No point just comparing the abstract, you need to look at the results found in the study.
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I would rather say that Manninen made an interesting find that needs further explanation.
Why did the 1RM squat and benchpress increase in the high-protein diet group like that, in comparison to the other groups?
I don't necessarily buy into the extreme protein diet craze, but it definitely stuck out, and it shows that Manninen reads the article, the whole article, rather than just the abstract.
JMO.
-Hedge
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The lack of significant changes doesn't actually mean no changes, if they are referring to statistical significance. Increases in weight may have been found they just weren't significant. No point just comparing the abstract, you need to look at the results found in the study.
CONCLUSION The results of this study do not provide any supportfor protein intakes greater than recommended levels in collegiate strength/power athletes for body composition improvements, or alterations in resting hormonal concentrations. Inadequate energy intakes likely contributed to these results. Although elevated protein content did not produce significantly greater strength improvements, results suggest that further study is warranted on the effect of high (> 2.0 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1) protein intake on strength and lean tissue accruement. However, future research needs to insure appropriate caloric consumption in the examination of strength/power athletes.
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DISCUSSION The purpose of this study was to examine whether protein intakes above recommended levels (> 2.0 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1) provided any additional benefit for strength and body composition improvements in strength/power athletes. In addition, the effect of varying protein intakes on resting hormonal concentrations was also examined. Results were unable to show any significant evidence indicating that protein intakes above 2.0 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1were efficacious for enhancing strength and body composition changes in college strength/power athletes. In addition, elevated protein intakes in combination with resistance training were also shown not to alter resting hormonal concentrations
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meltdown.
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Anssi Says about the Study:It should be noted, however, that lean body mass was increased by 1.1 ± 2.2 kilograms in a very high protein group and 0.8 ± 1.5 kilograms in a moderately high protein group, whereas no change was observed in a lower protein group. Furthermore, a 35 percent and 42 percent greater improvement in bench press maximum was seen by a very high protein group in comparison to a lower protein group and a moderately high protein group, respectively. Also, improvements in squat maximum were 63 percent and 22 percent greater for a very high protein group compared to a lower protein group and a moderately high protein group, respectively. Thus, it appears that a very high protein intake offers some advantages during resistance training.
Hmmmm looks like i should go buy some more Gaspari nutrition whey.... And chicken and lettuce to boil
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What happened?
1. Anssi DID NOT read the entire study, because the study concludes the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what he infers.
2. Anssi read the Study and figured nobody would actually take a look at the study and what it concluded.
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What happened?
1. Anssi DID NOT read the entire study, because the study concludes the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what he infers.
2. Anssi read the Study and figured nobody would actually take a look at the study and what it concluded.
You stated that you would post a deadlift video and did not.
What happened?
1. You DID NOT post a video, because you CANNOT perform such a lift.
2. You stayed off the boards for a while when Zach sent the money and then returned to post a number meaningless distraction threads.
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What happened?
1. Anssi DID NOT read the entire study, because the study concludes the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what he infers.
Actually this isn't quite the case. The study did not find any statistically significant evidence to prove its hypothesis, "whether protein intakes above recommended levels (> 2.0 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1) provided any additional benefit for strength and body composition improvements in strength/power athletes". They did not find anything statistically significant at the 95 percent level. The data itself supported the hypothesis it just wasn't statistically significant. This is why they probably state "results suggest that further study is warranted on the effect of high (> 2.0 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1) protein intake on strength and lean tissue accruement." Why would they suggest further study if they found absolutely nothing??? He is being slightly naughty...but nothing to get your knickers in a twist about.
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I am currently training for that deadlift feat and will attempt it in the future.
Proof positive that Buttsuck is TA? Or am I missing something?
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Proof positive that Buttsuck is TA? Or am I missing something?
I noticed that too.
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Would you expect anything less from a Testicular Maldevelopment staff member?
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Proof positive that Buttsuck is TA? Or am I missing something?
No APenis is Buttsuck. That has been proven. Basically just about anyone who supports his isiotic theories is him. He has NO support whatsoever. I mean it I think he enjoys talking to himself. He must truly be one lonely fucker. And where is the video Apenis. You are truly a tool. Have you even graduated from high school. Or did you have to go to work as a kid to support the family.
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No APenis is Buttsuck. That has been proven. Basically just about anyone who supports his isiotic theories is him. He has NO support whatsoever. I mean it I think he enjoys talking to himself. He must truly be one lonely fucker. And where is the video Apenis. You are truly a tool. Have you even graduated from high school. Or did you have to go to work as a kid to support the family.
Again, this hatred-spewing posting of yours as of late.
I am concerned about you, Keith.
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fuck the lift. keep it out of this thread you fucking nut huggers
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LOOK AT THE GLARING ERRORS.
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No APenis is Buttsuck. That has been proven. Basically just about anyone who supports his isiotic theories is him. He has NO support whatsoever. I mean it I think he enjoys talking to himself. He must truly be one lonely fucker. And where is the video Apenis. You are truly a tool. Have you even graduated from high school. Or did you have to go to work as a kid to support the family.
Wrong again ::)
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Wrong again ::)
Well, then mind explaining the, "I am currently training for that deadlift feat and will attempt it in the future." comment?
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Well, then mind explaining the, "I am currently training for that deadlift feat and will attempt it in the future." comment?
How the fuck does that make me adonis? It just means im training for it so i can prove to you delusional fucks that it is possible.
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How the fuck does that make me adonis? It just means im training for it so i can prove to you delusional fucks that it is possible.
Well, you belong to team schmoe, so you have to be adonis.
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What happened?
1. Anssi DID NOT read the entire study, because the study concludes the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what he infers.
2. Anssi read the Study and figured nobody would actually take a look at the study and what it concluded.
Meltdown
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Meltdown
hahaha, yes, it qualifies. ;D ;D