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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on March 08, 2007, 11:44:46 AM
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I have to say that Bob Chick is probably THE best IFBB bodybuilder when it comes to representing himself and the sport. I don`t think anyone else can really even come close to matching him.
Think about it. Who else would there be? Most have trouble completing a sentence, let alone formulating intelligent thoughts.
Bob Chick, I salute you. You are Adonis Approved.
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You might as well off yourself now Bob,
Nothing will ever be able to compare with the euphoria of this "award". ::) ::)
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I have to say that Bob Chick is probably THE best IFBB bodybuilder when it comes to representing himself and the sport. I don`t think anyone else can really even come close to matching him.
Think about it. Who else would there be? Most have trouble completing a sentence, let alone formulating intelligent thoughts.
Bob Chick, I salute you. You are Adonis Approved.
And what makes you think so?! Are you acquainted to any of them, or have any type of contact with them? It always depends on the angle of the observer. In my opinion none of the shit that you post here everyday makes sense, therefore, by your logic, I too, think that you have trouble formulating intelligent, coherent thoughts.
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Bob Chick, I salute you. You are Adonis Approved.
After "embarrassing", there's "pathetic".
What comes after that? :)
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I have to say that Bob Chick is probably THE best IFBB bodybuilder when it comes to representing himself and the sport. I don`t think anyone else can really even come close to matching him.
Think about it. Who else would there be? Most have trouble completing a sentence, let alone formulating intelligent thoughts.
Bob Chick, I salute you. You are Adonis Approved.
You made this exact same thread pratically word for word about 2 months ago.
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and the sport.
DAMMIT...........IT'S NOT A SPORT >:(!
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Bob was cool and well spoken at the arnold, I think he IS a good representative for the sport. That being said there are others who do a fine job representing the "sport". Dugdale, Labrada-most people in the general public would associate him with BB, there's tons of guys who have a look and a way about them that could work towards the general public.. it's just a myth that BB are idiots, some of them are but alot of them are well spoken.
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Dugdale is a Christian Bigot. He once said that he thinks all Arabs should be subjected to a Nuclear Blast.
He is a delusional Creationist.
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Bob has never done Gay 4 Pay either. That alone eliminates the majority of Bodybuilders as being a good representative.
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When do they elect a new representative and is Bob going to do it again?
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i like chic from what i know about him online so not a hell of a lot but from his posts he cant dish it as well as take he's cool
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Yeah. Bob Chick will never be a prey of Serpentine. He's da man, does everything he can to market the sport and the webcast has brought things to a new level. Also, he knows how to form correct sentences and speak proper English which cant be said for some of the other
pussies pros out there.
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Bob has never done Gay 4 Pay either.
This is reasonably close.
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Dugdale is a Christian Bigot. He once said that he thinks all Arabs should be subjected to a Nuclear Blast.
He is a delusional Creationist.
::) ::) ::)
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LOL. Fulsome praise from Getbig's most delusional poster. Talk about damning someone with faint praise. :P
/run bob, or you'll have something hangin' off your nutsack
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This is reasonably close.
ROFLMAO, I find that pretty funny. Its not gay4pay at all. Where was that from?
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ROFLMAO, I find that pretty funny. Its not gay4pay at all. Where was that from?
Malcolm in the Middle. That's Chris Cook as Bob's comedic partner-in-crime.
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Bob has never done Gay 4 Pay either. That alone eliminates the majority of Bodybuilders as being a good representative.
Dude !!! ..you're a fag ..And a Nazi!! The worst part is....You're criticizing someone for making money ..at what you do for free!!??????
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Dude !!! ..you're a fag ..And a Nazi!! The worst part is....You're criticizing someone for making money ..at what you do for free!!??????
that's what they want you to believe.....what's the opposite of a nazi?
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I have to say that Bob Chick is probably THE best IFBB bodybuilder when it comes to representing himself and the sport. I don`t think anyone else can really even come close to matching him.
Think about it. Who else would there be? Most have trouble completing a sentence, let alone formulating intelligent thoughts.
Bob Chick, I salute you. You are Adonis Approved.
gotta agree here, Bob has done very well for himself in the sport, great physique and well spoken dude.
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I have to say that Bob Chick is probably THE best IFBB bodybuilder when it comes to representing himself and the sport. I don`t think anyone else can really even come close to matching him.
Think about it. Who else would there be? Most have trouble completing a sentence, let alone formulating intelligent thoughts.
Bob Chick, I salute you. You are Adonis Approved.
TA, what ever happened to your bet with Chick re Tom Prince's current weight? Who bailed?
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I have to say that Bob Chick is probably THE best IFBB bodybuilder when it comes to representing himself and the sport. I don`t think anyone else can really even come close to matching him.
Think about it. Who else would there be? Most have trouble completing a sentence, let alone formulating intelligent thoughts.
Bob Chick, I salute you. You are Adonis Approved.
MD.Com didn't work out, so lets try for Bodybuilding.com
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MD.Com didn't work out, so lets try for Bodybuilding.com
Beat me to it. Looks like Adonis wants a BB.com job!!!
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MD.Com didn't work out, so lets try for Bodybuilding.com
prolly too many burned bridges over there but who knows? Amazing how one day the industry is garbage now its an ass kissfest.
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MD.Com didn't work out, so lets try for Bodybuilding.com
Hahahahaha
Anyway, I like Bob. He's a straight shooter.
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that's what they want you to believe.....what's the opposite of a nazi?
Who's they? Like I've written before .....All the shit I type ..Is because I've seen pics.. (him with the tranny) (that symbol of hate in pink on his shirt ) ! ..
His excuse for the shirt is....it was a halloween costume? But...what was he supposed to be dressed as ??...... A racist ??? That was no costume..
So for the reasons stated above (which we've all seen with our own eyes)is why I call him a Homo Nazi..!
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Dude !!! ..you're a fag ..And a Nazi!! The worst part is....You're criticizing someone for making money ..at what you do for free!!??????
A nazi LOL you're gayer than mouthwash at a bathhouse
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Who's they? Like I've written before .....All the shit I type ..Is because I've seen pics.. (him with the tranny) (that symbol of hate in pink on his shirt ) ! ..
His excuse for the shirt is....it was a halloween costume? But...what was he supposed to be dressed as ??...... A racist ??? That was no costume..
So for the reasons stated above (which we've all seen with our own eyes)is why I call him a Homo Nazi..!
calm down killer, it ain't that serious.
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I have to say that Bob Chick is probably THE best IFBB bodybuilder when it comes to representing himself and the sport. I don`t think anyone else can really even come close to matching him.
Think about it. Who else would there be? Most have trouble completing a sentence, let alone formulating intelligent thoughts.
Bob Chick, I salute you. You are Adonis Approved.
What's with the change of hearts Abeles?
Thats not saying much for his Natural Body and potential is it?
All Drugs perhaps.
-Hedge
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A nazi LOL you're gayer than mouthwash at a bathhouse
You're gayer than.........
Your boyfriend Adonis! :-*
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calm down killer, it ain't that serious.
No killers here .. I'm just not a big fan of this fruit pop..
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I have to say that Bob Chick is probably THE best IFBB bodybuilder when it comes to representing himself and the sport. I don`t think anyone else can really even come close to matching him.
Think about it. Who else would there be? Most have trouble completing a sentence, let alone formulating intelligent thoughts.
Bob Chick, I salute you. You are Adonis Approved.
Damn Adonis what is that on your face...
OH Shit it is Bob's Nuts...
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Damn Adonis what is that on your face...
OH Shit it is Bob's Nuts...
did i say you could take mine away from your face
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somebody is selling out
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did i say you could take mine away from your face
Hey Hey...Its my favorite Ho...No not your Mom...You...The Rube Bitch Buoy...
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Hey Hey...Its my favorite Ho...No not your Mom...You...The Rube Bitch Buoy...
shutupandtrain your chin, my nuts any questions?
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shutupandtrain your chin, my nuts any questions?
Yeah just one...Is before or after I cumm all over that whore of a moms face of yours?
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shutupandtrain your chin, my nuts any questions?
hahahahaha, hey Rude you know what Shutupandtrain's motto around Christmas is don't you? if you have nuts on your chest you've got chestnuts, if you've got nuts on your wall you've got walnuts but if you've got nuts on your chin you don't have chinnuts, you've got a dick in your mouth.
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hahahahaha, hey Rude you know what Shutupandtrain's motto around Christmas is don't you? if you have nuts on your chest you've got chestnuts, if you've got nuts on your wall you've got walnuts but if you've got nuts on your chin you don't have chinnuts, you've got a dick in your mouth.
Damn...How can you talk about Rude Bitches Dad like that...He is supposed to be your friend...
What kind of a world do we live in when the Squad starts to turn on each other...
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Damn...How can you talk about Rude Bitches Dad like that...He is supposed to be your friend...
What kind of a world do we live in when the Squad starts to turn on each other...
i'm talking about you, Puff the Magic Peter.
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i'm talking about you, Puff the Magic Peter.
OMG...What did you just say about Kiwis Mom...Damn thats fucked up...
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Dugdale is a Christian Bigot. He once said that he thinks all Arabs should be subjected to a Nuclear Blast.
Adonis, are you joking about this?
Speak on this.
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prolly too many burned bridges over there but who knows? Amazing how one day the industry is garbage now its an ass kissfest.
::)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=116238.0
That was on January 3rd.
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Adonis, are you joking about this?
Speak on this.
Not at all. Perhaps you can find it on the Gayhem board. News and Politics section.
I got pretty angry when Drugdale and his wife said that.
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why all the ass kissing, suddenly
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OMG...What did you just say about Kiwis Mom...Damn thats fucked up...
your weak posting style does not impress teh great squadfather we all take turns taken a piss on you and then go to your mama and ask her how to deal with it!
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your weak posting style does not impress teh great squadfather we all take turns taken a piss on you and then go to your mama and ask her how to deal with it!
Brutal Meltdown...
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http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9900&highlight=TRUE+ADONIS+IRAQ
Look at my Wisdom and INCREDIBLE forethought early on. Even before "Mission Accomplished"
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He is a delusional Creationist.
What wrong with Creationists? or are you one of those who think we evolved from dirt? And please, if your theories are anything like you nutrition theories don't bother answering!
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DAMMIT...........IT'S NOT A SPORT >:(!
sport
–noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
4. jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.
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What wrong with Creationists? or are you one of those who think we evolved from dirt? And please, if your theories are anything like you nutrition theories don't bother answering!
Creationists are plain stupid. There is nothing valid about Creationism. No Science, No Evidence nothing.
Evolution is a proven fact. All Organisms evolve. Bacteria included. Nothing evolves from Dirt. Dirt is inorganic.
Are you really that stupid?
Please educate yourself.
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I always enjoyed the Evolution of the whale.
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Creationists are plain stupid. There is nothing valid about Creationism. No Science, No Evidence nothing.
Evolution is a proven fact. All Organisms evolve. Bacteria included. Nothing evolves from Dirt. Dirt is inorganic.
Are you really that stupid?
Please educate yourself.
This is just a start, I have hundreds if not thousands of more articals relating to the SCIENCE of this.
http://christiananswers.net/creation/menu-life.html
P.S. I was being facetious when I said "dirt", also, if it was proven, it wouldn't be an issue now would it??
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What wrong with Creationists? or are you one of those who think we evolved from dirt? And please, if your theories are anything like you nutrition theories don't bother answering!
Hahahahahah this is why i hate America... Wait...... my mind reading skills are... yes yes i know what you are going to say now.... "DUUUUUUURRRRRR IF YOU DUN FUGGING LIKE IT DEN LEAVE OR GO TO CANADA!!!" ahahahahah.... God if i only had the money.
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What wrong with Creationists? or are you one of those who think we evolved from dirt? And please, if your theories are anything like you nutrition theories don't bother answering!
evolution is factual.
I always wondered why people would subscribe to a belief without proof, it is like children believeing in santa claus, only these are adults we are talking about.
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Hahahahahah this is why i hate America... Wait...... my mind reading skills are... yes yes i know what you are going to say now.... "DUUUUUUURRRRRR IF YOU DUN FUGGING LIKE IT DEN LEAVE OR GO TO CANADA!!!" ahahahahah.... God if i only had the money.
we dont want you in canada try africa you would have your mouth stuffed for days you would love it
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we dont want you in canada try africa you would have your mouth stuffed for days you would love it
hahaha are you suggesting buttsuck coulod feast on his favourite tastey negro penis for months straight RB
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hahaha are you suggesting buttsuck coulod feast on his favourite tastey negro penis for months straight RB
yup till he gags to death
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yup till he gags to death
That would certainly make the world a better place
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That would certainly make the world a better place
hes a buck twenty soaking wet wouldnt even now he was gone
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hes a buck twenty soaking wet wouldnt even now he was gone
hahaha but who would sleep in his parents basement with the frilly pink bed sheets.... his parents would be devastated
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hahaha but who would sleep in his parents basement with the frilly pink bed sheets.... his parents would be devastated
shadow could move in
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shadow could move in
Fuck...You idiots are so weak and it is so sad to watch you meltdown everyday...
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Fuck...You idiots are so weak and it is so sad to watch you meltdown everyday...
sounds to me someone needs a tall cool glass of shut the fuck up juice
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Fuck...You idiots are so weak and it is so sad to watch you meltdown everyday...
fuck off weed.... you are a fat piece of shit
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I have to say that Bob Chick is probably THE best IFBB bodybuilder when it comes to representing himself and the sport. I don`t think anyone else can really even come close to matching him.
Think about it. Who else would there be? Most have trouble completing a sentence, let alone formulating intelligent thoughts.
Bob Chick, I salute you. You are Adonis Approved.
I agree, bodybuilding needs more people like Bob.
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I agree, bodybuilding needs more people like Bob.
BOB CHICHERILLO=BATMAN
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fuck off weed.... you are a fat piece of shit
WoW...It takes 2 of your weak fucks just to make one internet badass...hahahahahahahah ahha
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Creationists are plain stupid. There is nothing valid about Creationism. No Science, No Evidence nothing.
Evolution is a proven fact. All Organisms evolve. Bacteria included. Nothing evolves from Dirt. Dirt is inorganic.
Are you really that stupid?
Please educate yourself.
i don't agree a lot with adonis............... but this time he's right!!!
also, good or everything related to any good are an invention of man, including Creationists!!!
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WoW...It takes 2 of your weak fucks just to make one internet badass...hahahahahahahah ahha
please benjamen pearson has destroyed you so long ago im surprised ron had not banned you
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please benjamen pearson has destroyed you so long ago im surprised ron had not banned you
You suck his Dick and can't even spell his name...hahahahahahhaha
You own yourself everytime you come on here you stupid fuck...hahahaha
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You suck his Dick and can't even spell his name...hahahahahahhaha
You own yourself everytime you come on here you stupid fuck...hahahaha
HAHAHA didnt you own yourself enough when you posted your fat eyeliner wearing self..... RB is a legend and would destroy you if he deemed you worthy
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HAHAHA didnt you own yourself enough when you posted your fat eyeliner wearing self..... RB is a legend and would destroy you if he deemed you worthy
Are you that stupid or do you rrreeeaaallllllyyy think that every guy on here with an animal shirt is me?
OH...and nice Meltdown about your boyfriend...hahahahahaha
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BOB CHICHERILLO=BATMAN
RUDE BUOY!!!!!
If I wanted everyone to know I was Batman...I would've told them myself!!
Thanks a lot Pal....!
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Dugdale is a Christian Bigot. He once said that he thinks all Arabs should be subjected to a Nuclear Blast.
He is a delusional Creationist.
Well you missed all what he said. He also included you
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Hahahahaha
Anyway, I like Bob. He's a straight shooter.
Thats why Apenis likes Bob. Now he doesn't lose a drop after Bob shoots a load.
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Dugdale is a Christian Bigot. He once said that he thinks all Arabs should be subjected to a Nuclear Blast.
He is a delusional Creationist.
Joe is an idiot. He believes in angels, fairys and thinks Unicorns grazed in fields with people and Dinosaurs. Sorry, but you cannot take any Creationist serious when their level of intelligence regarding Science stops at a 1st grade level.
You would just find a way to discredit them somehow.
You alot like Evangelical Creationist Christians. No matter what the truth and the EVIDENCE proves, you will always believe the opposite or formulate some sort of wacknut opinion.
Once again, Is that your fucking word of the day?
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shit Bob is Batman ?
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What are you gay for him how many threads are you gonna make about this?
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Monster kiss-ass from Adam.
Bob does a good job with PBW but that's as far as I've seen. Is he speaking at seminars to promote physical health? No. Is he making the 'rounds' like Jay Cutler is doing at health shops? Not that I see. Is he giving interviews in newspapers on what a BBer is all about? No.
He was in two TV shows for all of 30 seconds and hosts a radio show. More than alot of people do to promote the sport persay, but there are many more things to be done.
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Hey TA you are BUCK65 Approved-means f*ckall right....?
Get overyourself-
Pretty sure Chic was underwhelmed getting your approval
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evolution is factual.
I always wondered why people would subscribe to a belief without proof, it is like children believeing in santa claus, only these are adults we are talking about.
evolution is not fact, relativity is not fact. your saying its a fact shows your ignorance. i beleive in evolution, its the best description we have at the moment. but it still has many unanswered questions.
such as why did the first bacteria, fromed from RNA, or PROTEIN(the chicken and egg question is still up for grabs) create or have in its genetics reproductive organs? reproduction is purposive, its a hard question and one that is still not answered.
abiogenesis is still wide open also. so its far from fact but is the best theory we have provided the evidence.
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there is also a ton of very very smart creationist like demski and behe among many others.
yockley(not a christian) has questioned evolution using information theory, and its quite a good argument.
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evolution is not fact, relativity is not fact. your saying its a fact shows your ignorance. i beleive in evolution, its the best description we have at the moment. but it still has many unanswered questions.
such as why did the first bacteria, fromed from RNA, or PROTEIN(the chicken and egg question is still up for grabs) create or have in its genetics reproductive organs? reproduction is purposive, its a hard question and one that is still not answered.
abiogenesis is still wide open also. so its far from fact but is the best theory we have provided the evidence.
Both are scientific theories, which are facts in all but name. It is a subtle but important distinction. The fact that you are making cavils about this reveals your own posturing and ignorance. You are impressing no one.
/everybody wants to be the smartest guy in the room, but no one wants to lift no heavy-ass books.
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Both are scientific theories, which are facts in all but name. It is a subtle but important distinction. The fact that you are making cavils about this reveals your own posturing and ignorance. You are impressing no one.
/everybody wants to be the smartest guy in the room, but no one wants to lift no heavy-ass books.
Unbelivable how brainwashed by christianity and lack of education many americans are.
Evolution is scientific. Creationism is not. I'll tell you why.
For something to be scientifik. It needs to be observed and proven with evidence. Like evolution is.
Creationism is not scientific. Its mythology. End of story.
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Bob for sure is head and shoulders above any other guy out there...I would venture to guess that their are so many pros jealous of this guy...
Look how Lee talked about him over the past two years, if thats not jealously i don't know what is...Bob probably makes three times what Lee brings in and it must eat him up...Along with alot of other competing pros...Their really is something to say about having some brains and knowing how to talk to people...
Today you have so many people that would kill to be in Bobs shoes...Alot of them were making fun of Bodybuilding.com just a few years ago and look what it has become now...
Bob has made some very smart moves in his career...You got to give him that...
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Educate yourself.
Evolution is a Fact and a Theory
by Laurence Moran
Copyright © 1993-2002
[Last Update: January 22, 1993]
When non-biologists talk about biological evolution they often confuse two different aspects of the definition. On the one hand there is the question of whether or not modern organisms have evolved from older ancestral organisms or whether modern species are continuing to change over time. On the other hand there are questions about the mechanism of the observed changes... how did evolution occur? Biologists consider the existence of biological evolution to be a fact. It can be demonstrated today and the historical evidence for its occurrence in the past is overwhelming. However, biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanism of evolution. Stephen J. Gould has put this as well as anyone else:
In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is worse than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? Indeed, President Reagan echoed this argument before an evangelical group in Dallas when he said (in what I devoutly hope was campaign rhetoric): "Well, it is a theory. It is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science--that is, not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was."
Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.
Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent." I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.
Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred. Darwin continually emphasized the difference between his two great and separate accomplishments: establishing the fact of evolution, and proposing a theory--natural selection--to explain the mechanism of evolution.
- Stephen J. Gould, " Evolution as Fact and Theory"; Discover, May 1981
Gould is stating the prevailing view of the scientific community. In other words, the experts on evolution consider it to be a fact. This is not an idea that originated with Gould as the following quotations indicate:
Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms.
- Theodosius Dobzhansky "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution", American Biology Teacher vol. 35 (March 1973) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, J. Peter Zetterberg ed., ORYX Press, Phoenix AZ 1983
Also:
It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is a fact, not theory, and that what is at issue within biology are questions of details of the process and the relative importance of different mechanisms of evolution. It is a fact that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a fact that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a fact that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a fact that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun.
The controversies about evolution lie in the realm of the relative importance of various forces in molding evolution.
- R. C. Lewontin "Evolution/Creation Debate: A Time for Truth" Bioscience 31, 559 (1981) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, op cit.
This concept is also explained in introductory biology books that are used in colleges and universities (and in some of the better high schools). For example, in some of the best such textbooks we find:
Today, nearly all biologists acknowledge that evolution is a fact. The term theory is no longer appropriate except when referring to the various models that attempt to explain how life evolves... it is important to understand that the current questions about how life evolves in no way implies any disagreement over the fact of evolution.
- Neil A. Campbell, Biology 2nd ed., 1990, Benjamin/Cummings, p. 434
Also:
Since Darwin's time, massive additional evidence has accumulated supporting the fact of evolution--that all living organisms present on earth today have arisen from earlier forms in the course of earth's long history. Indeed, all of modern biology is an affirmation of this relatedness of the many species of living things and of their gradual divergence from one another over the course of time. Since the publication of The Origin of Species, the important question, scientifically speaking, about evolution has not been whether it has taken place. That is no longer an issue among the vast majority of modern biologists. Today, the central and still fascinating questions for biologists concern the mechanisms by which evolution occurs.
- Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology 5th ed. 1989, Worth Publishers, p. 972
One of the best introductory books on evolution (as opposed to introductory biology) is that by Douglas J. Futuyma, and he makes the following comment:
A few words need to be said about the "theory of evolution," which most people take to mean the proposition that organisms have evolved from common ancestors. In everyday speech, "theory" often means a hypothesis or even a mere speculation. But in science, "theory" means "a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed." as the Oxford English Dictionary defines it. The theory of evolution is a body of interconnected statements about natural selection and the other processes that are thought to cause evolution, just as the atomic theory of chemistry and the Newtonian theory of mechanics are bodies of statements that describe causes of chemical and physical phenomena. In contrast, the statement that organisms have descended with modifications from common ancestors--the historical reality of evolution--is not a theory. It is a fact, as fully as the fact of the earth's revolution about the sun. Like the heliocentric solar system, evolution began as a hypothesis, and achieved "facthood" as the evidence in its favor became so strong that no knowledgeable and unbiased person could deny its reality. No biologist today would think of submitting a paper entitled "New evidence for evolution;" it simply has not been an issue for a century.
- Douglas J. Futuyma, Evolutionary Biology, 2nd ed., 1986, Sinauer Associates, p. 15
There are readers of these newsgroups who reject evolution for religious reasons. In general these readers oppose both the fact of evolution and theories of mechanisms, although some anti-evolutionists have come to realize that there is a difference between the two concepts. That is why we see some leading anti-evolutionists admitting to the fact of "microevolution"--they know that evolution can be demonstrated. These readers will not be convinced of the "facthood" of (macro)evolution by any logical argument and it is a waste of time to make the attempt. The best that we can hope for is that they understand the argument that they oppose. Even this simple hope is rarely fulfilled.
There are some readers who are not anti-evolutionist but still claim that evolution is "only" a theory which can't be proven. This group needs to distinguish between the fact that evolution occurs and the theory of the mechanism of evolution.
We also need to distinguish between facts that are easy to demonstrate and those that are more circumstantial. Examples of evolution that are readily apparent include the fact that modern populations are evolving and the fact that two closely related species share a common ancestor. The evidence that Homo sapiens and chimpanzees share a recent common ancestor falls into this category. There is so much evidence in support of this aspect of primate evolution that it qualifies as a fact by any common definition of the word "fact."
In other cases the available evidence is less strong. For example, the relationships of some of the major phyla are still being worked out. Also, the statement that all organisms have descended from a single common ancestor is strongly supported by the available evidence, and there is no opposing evidence. However, it is not yet appropriate to call this a "fact" since there are reasonable alternatives.
Finally, there is an epistemological argument against evolution as fact. Some readers of these newsgroups point out that nothing in science can ever be "proven" and this includes evolution. According to this argument, the probability that evolution is the correct explanation of life as we know it may approach 99.9999...9% but it will never be 100%. Thus evolution cannot be a fact. This kind of argument might be appropriate in a philosophy class (it is essentially correct) but it won't do in the real world. A "fact," as Stephen J. Gould pointed out (see above), means something that is so highly probable that it would be silly not to accept it. This point has also been made by others who contest the nit-picking epistemologists.
The honest scientist, like the philosopher, will tell you that nothing whatever can be or has been proved with fully 100% certainty, not even that you or I exist, nor anyone except himself, since he might be dreaming the whole thing. Thus there is no sharp line between speculation, hypothesis, theory, principle, and fact, but only a difference along a sliding scale, in the degree of probability of the idea. When we say a thing is a fact, then, we only mean that its probability is an extremely high one: so high that we are not bothered by doubt about it and are ready to act accordingly. Now in this use of the term fact, the only proper one, evolution is a fact. For the evidence in favor of it is as voluminous, diverse, and convincing as in the case of any other well established fact of science concerning the existence of things that cannot be directly seen, such as atoms, neutrons, or solar gravitation ....
So enormous, ramifying, and consistent has the evidence for evolution become that if anyone could now disprove it, I should have my conception of the orderliness of the universe so shaken as to lead me to doubt even my own existence. If you like, then, I will grant you that in an absolute sense evolution is not a fact, or rather, that it is no more a fact than that you are hearing or reading these words.
- H. J. Muller, "One Hundred Years Without Darwin Are Enough" School Science and Mathematics 59, 304-305. (1959) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism op cit.
In any meaningful sense evolution is a fact, but there are various theories concerning the mechanism of evolution.
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Evolution is a fact.
Just like Einstein`s theory of gravity is a fact.
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Some people are not worth lecturing Adam. Mr. Intensome probably had christian parents. Went church every every sunday since childhood getting his weekly brainwash.
duuuuuh God snapped his fingers and made man. ::)
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Evolution is a fact.
Just like Einstein`s theory of gravity is a fact.
I agree with you here 100%, TA. *Picks self up off the floor* You are correct. The point I was trying to make to Mr. usmokepole was that his idea of 'theory,' what Gould calls the 'vernacular' (or demotic, I guess) is not how it is defined by the scientific community. This is where the creationists fark it up and try to sway the gullible.
/met mr. gould years ago. man, talk about intelligent. this rumpled, easy-going fellow was one of a handful of guys who i've met who were/are beyond smart. he would make a polymath feel limited by his knowledge. simply brilliant.
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I agree with you here 100%, TA. *Picks self up off the floor* You are correct. The point I was trying to make to Mr. usmokepole was that his idea of 'theory,' what Gould calls the 'vernacular' (or demotic, I guess) is not how it is defined by the scientific community. This is where the creationists fark it up and try to sway the gullible.
/met mr. gould years ago. man, talk about intelligent. this rumpled, easy-going fellow was one of a handful of guys who i've met who were/are beyond smart. he would make a polymath feel limited by his knowledge. simply brilliant.
Yah that was meant for the Usmokepole guy who simply has a complete misunderstanding of Science and the champions of it.
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Evolution is a fact.
Just like Einstein`s theory of gravity is a fact.
For hundreds of thousands of years humans sat in their own shit basically...Then for the past 6000 years or so they were able to build elaborate structures and use technical writings...Thats is not natural evolution..Their was diff/a helping hand...Which most likely came for an intelligent life form...But certainly not god...We were made test tubes for the purpose of slave labor IMOP...
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where does TA find this shit?
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For an educated guy, Adonis, you really should be able to spell Chick's name correctly.
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I have to say that Bob Chick is probably THE best IFBB bodybuilder when it comes to representing himself and the sport. I don`t think anyone else can really even come close to matching him.
Think about it. Who else would there be? Most have trouble completing a sentence, let alone formulating intelligent thoughts.
Bob Chick, I salute you. You are Adonis Approved.
as bob said to me at the nationals, adonis is a jackass.
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Evolution is a fact? I can accept that.
Did God design evolution?
Sounds like a good engineering concept.
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Evolution is a fact? I can accept that.
Did God design evolution?
Sounds like a good engineering concept.
People often say that God is so beyond our comprehension that their is no way we could fathom what he is all about...Well us humans are only using approx/10% of our brains and we already have the gene code cracked and understand alot of the universe...We probably could cure any disease we wanted to but chose not to for population control and capitalist reasons...
Seems like we are hardly the work of some great god...Hell we can now clone human beings and any animal on the planet.. And to intelligent life forms on other planets we are probably seen as fcking retarded...
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where does TA find this shit?
Shit?
Please educate yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
TA talks alot of shit but this time it's not.
The theory of evoluion the worlds most accepted theory on the origin of life...
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I agree with you here 100%, TA. *Picks self up off the floor* You are correct. The point I was trying to make to Mr. usmokepole was that his idea of 'theory,' what Gould calls the 'vernacular' (or demotic, I guess) is not how it is defined by the scientific community. This is where the creationists fark it up and try to sway the gullible.
/met mr. gould years ago. man, talk about intelligent. this rumpled, easy-going fellow was one of a handful of guys who i've met who were/are beyond smart. he would make a polymath feel limited by his knowledge. simply brilliant.
hmmm i love it when pseduintellects always question me on this site about matters of science and end up looking like idiot.
please show me how theories are fact, so i guess super psi is fact because its a theory and conscious implicate order is fact because its also a theory, please explain how theories are in fact, FACTS.
fact
a concept whose truth can be proved. evolution cannot be taken into the lab. in fact they have tried, with drosophilia subjected to more radition(mutations) then all of human exsistence with no beneficial mutations. there have also been other studies with similar findings. macro evolution cannot be observed, micro yes to a degree. is evolution a fact, i think it might be (however, the framwork is not 100% there). the fact that lower life forms evolved, natural selection etc.. however, which thoery of evolution is correct? punctuated equilibria,neo-darwinism, conscious enfolding, software/hardware etc... many have different theories. francis collins, head of the genome project and christian also beleives in evolution and thinks the evidence is overwhelming, but says its not pure hard fact, that evolution may be part of a bigger scheme. theories contain many facts, like natural selection, adaptation, but evolution is not fact as a theory, there is too many competing theories.
dr chimps in your own words please tell me which theory is fact, and how many theories of evolution can be fact all at the same time. you were talking to gould a proponent against neo-darwinism. so it should be easy.
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Yah that was meant for the Usmokepole guy who simply has a complete misunderstanding of Science and the champions of it.
i guess the medical school im attending better consult you on my reference hahaha. your a moron, everytime we argue you look like a tool. you said that dawkins wasnt a zoologist and couldnt post one argument. back to the subject
you are a mouse of a man, always bitching and sucking up.
ps you look like shit
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Shit?
Please educate yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
TA talks alot of shit but this time it's not.
The theory of evoluion the worlds most accepted theory on the origin of life...
yes it is, it is the best theory we have, but i dont think you know what your talking about. origin of life, that may be semantics but its known as abiogenisis, which hasnt been proven. also, urey-miller experiment was a joke. autocatalytic thoery is a good theory right now. but for chemical experiments they are lacking. evolution describes the EVOLUTION of life, abiogenesis the beginning, or formation of first organic (carbon containing) life forms.
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Clone all you want. Give me the name of 1 person that has beaten death and has lived forever. I'm not impressed with cloning in the least bit. I've cloned plants myself.
well if i could really give you one name i for sure would be killed within 24 hrs after doing so...Just remember that trillions upon trillions of dollars have gone missing over the past couple of decades in this country alone...Just what do you think "they"(the black government/hidden government/NWO ect)are doing with that money...
But for shits and giggles i will throw out a name for you...Of course this can never be confirmed but here is your name--- RONALD REAGON...He disappeared off the face of the planet over the past decade supposedly due to alzhemers...Some believe that because of what he has done in terms of the space wars, technology ect. that he was rewarded and taken to another destination...Of course all of this can't be proven but believe what you will(im not saying that i even believe it but some people do)...I just hope you don't believe an ounce of what is being told to you on T.V. or in print..
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I believe there was actually a study on evolution in the lab, where a group tested the evolution of e.coli cells over time, I will try to find it. But I do agree with you that there is much we don't know. Personally I find the evolution of modern H.sapiens to be puzzling. I think there was something special that happened with us.
Theistic evolution, there is no need for it. Evolution works fine with the law of natural selection.
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Sociopath:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Make no mistake............this represents the psychological profile of "Adonis."
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I believe there was actually a study on evolution in the lab, where a group tested the evolution of e.coli cells over time, I will try to find it. But I do agree with you that there is much we don't know. Personally I find the evolution of modern H.sapiens to be puzzling. I think there was something special that happened with us.
Theistic evolution, there is no need for it. Evolution works fine with the law of natural selection.
yes self-consciousnous is puzzling as is langauge and a few other things.
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language isn't, we know all our primate ancestors such as neandertals had language as well as literally every species has some way of communication. What I find weird about us, is that we are literally the only species that get pleasure from hurting each other. No other species will harm one of their own simply for the sake of doing so.
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language isn't, we know all our primate ancestors such as neandertals had language as well as literally every species has some way of communication. What I find weird about us, is that we are literally the only species that get pleasure from hurting each other. No other species will harm one of their own simply for the sake of doing so.
im pretty sure that langauge(symbols etc) are a bit controversial. ill have a look and post something. i read a book about it years ago but cant remember the exact details.
basic communication is not, langauge, the use of symbols to convey meaning is.
communication and langauge are not exactly the same.
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Creationists are plain stupid. There is nothing valid about Creationism. No Science, No Evidence nothing.
Evolution is a proven fact. All Organisms evolve. Bacteria included. Nothing evolves from Dirt. Dirt is inorganic.
Are you really that stupid?
Please educate yourself.
Sociopath:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Make no mistake............this represents the psychological profile of "Adonis" IMO.
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im pretty sure that langauge(symbols etc) are a bit controversial. ill have a look and post something. i read a book about it years ago but cant remember the exact details.
basic communication is not, langauge, the use of symbols to convey meaning is.
communication and langauge are not exactly the same.
I wish I could remember what the part is called in us that allows us to speak, but they also found evidence of that in neandertal fossils, indicating that they likely had some form of language.