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all of the poses which involve the back as the primary bodypart.
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Ronnie all the way: not in 2006 though.
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an earlier stubbs vs ronnie comparison:
(thanks to iceman)
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Damn, Stubbs needs forearms bad. They look like twigs.
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ronald was fucking insane, no one has ever been close to matching him in those pics..
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an earlier stubbs vs ronnie comparison:
(thanks to iceman)
wow, stubbs looks like a kid next to ronnie....
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wow, stubbs looks like a very little kid next to ronnie....
There you go.... better.
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Ronnie but Stubbs can stand next to him and compare favorably.
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ronald was fucking insane, no one has ever been close to matching him in those pics..
exactly.
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that throws away all this speculation about stubbs having the best back ever.
he looks great and all, but you can't compare gold with silver. His arms and forearms don't help him either
Still, he still has one of the best backs today
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Stubbs too tall. End of the story.
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Ronnie better shape and arms in the back poses.
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ronnie at his peak had the greatest back of all time.
still unmatched to date.
but not in 2006
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ronnie at his peak had the greatest back of all time.
still unmatched to date.
but not in 2006
not according to ronnie himself........
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ronnie was not cocky back then.
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Ronnie wins.
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ronnie at his peak had the greatest back of all time.
still unmatched to date.
but not in 2006
Oh really? Then how do you explain this after the 99 Olympia? hahahahahahahah
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all of the poses which involve the back as the primary bodypart.
Stubbs, no doubt. Not only is he 6'3, but his lats attach lower in the tendon and have a round shape that Ronnie can only dream of. Considering his height and lat muscle belly lengh, Stubb's back would dwarf Ronnie's if he took as much shit as Ronnie takes.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Stubbs, no doubt. Not only is he 6'3, but his lats attach lower in the tendon and have a round shape that Ronnie can only dream of. Considering his height and lat muscle belly lengh, Stubb's back would dwarf Ronnie's if he took as much shit as Ronnie takes.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
how do you know how much shit stubbs take?
I am guessing that you don't and you are just talking because you a computer and an internet connection..I hope they cut off your connection
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Oh really? Then how do you explain this after the 99 Olympia? hahahahahahahah
Poses like that are exactly why Yates was known as the Columbu of the 90s. Only pubes and a few others keep posting a mediocre shot, clueless to the reality that it's nothing special. Pics like this remind that Yates should have lost a few times to more deserving BBs.hahahahahahahha
Stubb's back looks good next to Coleman. Problem is nothing other than back & delts stack up.
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Poses like that are exactly why Yates was known as the Columbu of the 90s. Should have lost a few times to more deserving BBs.hahahahahahahha
Stubb's back looks good next to Coleman. Problem is nothing other than delts stack up.
Posts like this are why you are known as the douche of GetBig.
Hope this helps :)
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how do you know how much shit stubbs take?
I am guessing that you don't and you are just talking because you a computer and an internet connection..I hope they cut off your connection
you're not the only person who wishes this.
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Posts like this are why you are known as the douche of GetBig.
Hope this helps :)
Pubes at 155 lb. living life through his hero once again. ROFL
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Pubes at 155 lb. living life through his hero once again. ROFL
regardless of what he weighs, at least he goes to a gym.
cant say the same for you.
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ronnie was not cocky back then.
ronnie wasnt cocky in 2003 after obtaining his best shape?
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LMAO @ this comparison.
Stupid!
There is no comparison.
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ronnie wasnt cocky in 2003 after obtaining his best shape?
yes.
he made no such cocky type comments until 2005 when he was pissed that he lost the challenge round.
Ronnie was very quiet after 2003.
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Not taking sides, but just because Ronnie says Dorian has the best back doesn't mean it's true. His opinion on the matter, even if that is what he thinks/thought, is no more valuable than any other objective, knowledgeable person's. So the argument that Dorian has the better back because Ronnie says so is baseless. It is no different than saying, "ND says Dorian has a better back so it must be true," or "Hulkster says Ronnie has a better back so it must be true."
And I agree that Ronnie easily has Stubbs. Stubbs has a comparable relaxed shot, but in the rear db Ronnie is the easy winner, as well as the rear latspread. Although Stubbs' rear latspread is good.
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yes.
he made no such cocky type comments until 2005 when he was pissed that he lost the challenge round.
Ronnie was very quiet after 2003.
actually, you mean 04. that's when he said jay should be reborn with better genetics and is smoking crack.
that was 2004.
also, when he lost in 2002 to gunter, he had some choice words as well.
any other excuses you want to make up? how about being a cop and busting people for drug possession and usage despite being on 2 grams of test a week and who knows what else????????
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Oh really? Then how do you explain this after the 99 Olympia? hahahahahahahah
Brutal taper(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134192.0;attach=150034;image)
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I hope they cut off your connection
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...what an emotional turd!
;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Poses like that are exactly why Yates was known as the Columbu of the 90s. Only pubes and a few others keep posting a mediocre shot, clueless to the reality that it's nothing special. Pics like this remind that Yates should have lost a few times to more deserving BBs.hahahahahahahha
Stubb's back looks good next to Coleman. Problem is nothing other than back & delts stack up.
You have completely discredited yourself when it became known that you utilize a training apparatus designed for menopausal women. How the fuck they allow you to moderate the training board when you have no grasp of exercise physiology? When you have no PhD, like I do? Just so you'll know, I have contacted Ron and I'm starting a campaign to have you removed from your moderator position on the training board. A "man" who trains with this has obviously no authority to give training advice. :P :-X ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...what an emotional turd!
hey cum licker, respond to my post in the truce thread before you reply to others.
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hey cum licker, respond to my post in the truce thread before you reply to others.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...what an emotional turd! ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...what an emotional turd!
I accept your silence as an admission of defeat. ;)
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I accept your silence as an admission of defeat. ;)
Whatever you say. You da man. Now excuse me 'cause I'm going to go cry a little bit... :'(
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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actually, you mean 04. that's when he said jay should be reborn with better genetics and is smoking crack.
that was 2004.
also, when he lost in 2002 to gunter, he had some choice words as well.
any other excuses you want to make up? how about being a cop and busting people for drug possession and usage despite being on 2 grams of test a week and who knows what else????????
Exactly. Ronnie is a fellon. Going by the I.F.B.B judging booklet, he sould be stripped of all his Olympias. Why? Because police officers are supposed to uphold the law, and since Ronnie used controlled substances while wearing a police badge, then this makes him a criminal and criminals should not win I.F.B.B cotests. This is the cotrary to a mere pro who takes steroid, which makes possesing steroids only a misdemeanor.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Whatever you say. You da man. Now excuse me 'cause I'm going to go cry a little bit...
yeah, I bet you do cry every night b/c Dorian picks ND to worship his muscles instead of you.
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Exactly. Ronnie is a fellon. Going by the I.F.B.B judging booklet, he sould be stripped of all his Olympias. Why? Because police officers are supposed to uphold the law, and since Ronnie used controlled substances while wearing a police badge, then this makes him a criminal and criminals should not win I.F.B.B cotests. This is the cotrary to a mere pro who takes steroid, which makes possesing steroids only a misdemeanor.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
That is alone against the law. So dont try to single out ronnie because he is a cop. And he could have used them in mexico and by the letter of the law is absolutley legal. But if not they all do it and its illegal for them all.
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That is alone against the law. So dont try to single out ronnie because he is a cop. And he could have used them in mexico and by the letter of the law is absolutley legal. But if not they all do it and its illegal for them all.
Yeah, but the Ronster was a cop during most of his Olympia wins. I'm not sure, but I think he quit the force in 2002. Do't you think it's the epitome of hypocrisy to arrest people for possesion of controlled substaces while you are yourself an abuser of them? I do.
By the way, you may not be aware of this, but there is such a thing as added judicial liability when you wear a police uniform and break the law. Why? Because you are represeting the authority of the state, and being a police officer gives you special powers. It's like the cop who beats up a couple of kids who are snorting coke, arrests them, and then uses the apprehended coke himself. Ronnie is a scumbag.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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ronnie vs joel, gym shots:
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more:
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their backs look very similar except that even 10 years ago, Ronnie has a huge advantage in thickness...
give joel some time and who knows.
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dam ronnie was able to do pull ups back then? it doesnt seem like any of the mass monster do pull ups i guess its hard on there joints...
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I've always liked this shot of Haney.
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Yeah, but the Ronster was a cop during most of his Olympia wins. I'm not sure, but I think he quit the force in 2002. Do't you think it's the epitome of hypocrisy to arrest people for possesion of controlled substaces while you are yourself an abuser of them? I do.
By the way, you may not be aware of this, but there is such a thing as added judicial liability when you wear a police uniform and break the law. Why? Because you are represeting the authority of the state, and being a police officer gives you special powers. It's like the cop who beats up a couple of kids who are snorting coke, arrests them, and then uses the apprehended coke himself. Ronnie is a scumbag.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Please.
Ronnie, as most bodybuilders, has medical prescription for everything he takes, so he's not violating any law.
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Please.
Ronnie, as most bodybuilders, has medical prescription for everything he takes, so he's not violating any law.
No sane medical doctor would prescribe even 1/10th of the amount of drugs that Ronnie takes: he would lose his license to practice medicine if he did. No M.D could possibly justify a prescription for several grams of Test a week, cytadren and insulin to the same patient. Ergo, your assertion that Ronnie takes drugs legally is unlikely.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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8)
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;)
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his back is just fuck-off wide
its ridiculous
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Whenever I see those pics Milos posted of Stubbs' back, I can't help but think of Krang from Ninja Turtles. His back seriously looks like a brain with arms sticking out the sides. Wide as fuck, too. Maybe him and Dexter should have a Ninja Turtles pose off, Dex from the front, Stubbs from the back ;D
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No sane medical doctor would prescribe even 1/10th of the amount of drugs that Ronnie takes: he would lose his license to practice medicine if he did. No M.D could possibly justify a prescription for several grams of Test a week, cytadren and insulin to the same patient. Ergo, your assertion that Ronnie takes drugs legally is unlikely.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Wrong!! Unlikely my ass. You clearly haven't met the right doctors. ;)
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Wrong!! Unlikely my ass. You clearly haven't met the right doctors. ;)
You are an idiot. There is no way in hell any M.D could justify to the F.D.A the prescription of several grams of testosterone, insulin, cytadren and GH a week to the same patient. He would be called to depose before a board commission of the D.E.A for prescribing so many controlled substances and would have his medical license stripped away from him. Steroids are classified as Shedule II drugs, which have a high abuse potential; prescriptions cannot be refilled and the D.E.A keeps close tabs on these things.
There are crooked doctors that sell prescriptions, but there are two key differences between prescribing some medication for weight loss for some woman who deosen't really need it and then prescribing pro bodybuilding cycles: the drugs itself and the dosages. Most of the dugs that doctors sell prescirptions for, like phentermine, are Shedule IV and V drugs, which are far less cotrolled than sauce. Secondly, the doctors sell prescriptions for normal doses of these drugs, and not for mega-doses a week.
Conversely, pro bodybuilders take massive amounts, in the order of several grams per week. You are seriously deluded if you think pro bodybuilders purchase their drugs in the pharmacy with doctors' prescriptions. This might have been true in Arnold's days, when steroids were not controlled substances and when the doses were much lower, but this is seldom the case nowadays.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You are an idiot. There is no way in hell any M.D could justify to the F.D.A the prescription of several grams of testosterone, insulin, cytadren and GH a week to the same patient. He would be called to depose before a board commission of the D.E.A for prescribing so many controlled substances and would have his medical license stripped away from him. Steroids are classified as Shedule II drugs, which have a high abuse potential; prescriptions cannot be refilled and the D.E.A keeps close tabs on these things.
There are crooked doctors that sell prescriptions, but there are two key differences between prescribing some medication for weight loss for some woman who deosen't really need it and then prescribing pro bodybuilding cycles: the drugs itself and the dosages. Most of the dugs that doctors sell prescirptions for, like phentermine, are Shedule IV and V drugs, which are far less cotrolled than sauce. Secondly, the doctors sell prescriptions for normal doses of these drugs, and not for mega-doses a week.
Conversely, pro bodybuilders take massive amounts, in the order of several grams per week. You are seriously deluded if you think pro bodybuilders purchase their drugs in the pharmacy with doctors' prescriptions. This might have been true in Arnold's days, when steroids were not controlled substances and when the doses were much lower, but this is seldom the case nowadays.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
First thing moderate your language, if there's an idiot that's you for sure. I'm not discussing the ethical aspects of the issue. What I stated is that doctors can prescribe basically whatever they want (and most of them know exactly what they are doing / are steroid users themselves) and controls are not so tight as you believe. How do you explain that most competitors that have been caught with roids were able to show medical prescriptions for every single thing they were carrying?
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First thing moderate your language,
No.
if there's an idiot that's you for sure. I'm not discussing the ethical aspects of the issue. What I stated is that doctors can prescribe basically whatever they want (and most of them know exactly what they are doing / are steroid users themselves) and controls are not so tight as you believe. How do you explain that most competitors that have been caught with roids were able to show medical prescriptions for every single thing they were carrying?
You are not intelligent. The issue is not ethical, but legal. Doctors cannot prescribe Shedule II drugs like steroids, especially not in the doses that pro bodybuilders use, without having the D.E.A breathing down their necks. They can lose their medical license and be sent to jail. Some doctors sell prescriptions for GH, but in much lower doses than pro bodybuilders use, and GH is far less controlled than steroids. During Arnold's time doctors prescribed steroids, yes, but they were not controlled substances back then and the doses prescribed were miniscule when compared with the ones modern bodybuilders use. Try to understad this, moron:
Prescribing several controlled substances to a single patient in mega-doses is something that no physician could do without losing his license.
And what are you talking about bodybuilders not being arrested for steroids? Craig Titus served three years for possesion of steroids and MDMA, and let me tell you that the MDMA only earned him one of those three years. Sony Schmidt was arrested while in possession of steroids before the 1990 Federal Act that turned steroids into controlled substances, and he served two years probation for it. As far as I'm aware, no top pro has been arrested for steroids - although many had medical testing showing steroids in their blood -, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No.
You are not intelligent. The issue is not ethical, but legal. Doctors cannot prescribe Shedule II drugs like steroids, especially not in the doses that pro bodybuilders use, without having the D.E.A breathing down their necks. They can lose their medical license and be sent to jail. Some doctors sell prescriptions for GH, but in much lower doses than pro bodybuilders use, and GH is far less controlled than steroids. During Arnold's time doctors prescribed steroids, yes, but they were not controlled substances back then and the doses prescribed were miniscule when compared with the ones modern bodybuilders use. Try to understad this, moron:
Prescribing several controlled substances to a single patient in mega-doses is something that no physician could do without losing his license.
And what are you talking about bodybuilders not being arrested for steroids? Craig Titus served three years for possesion of steroids and MDMA, and let me tell you that the MDMA only earned him one of those three years. Sony Schmidt was arrested while in possession of steroids before the 1990 Federal Act that turned steroids into controlled substances, and he served two years probation for it. As far as I'm aware, no top pro has been arrested for steroids - although many had medical testing showing steroids in their blood -, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
It's not calling other people idiot (especially because you have no clue to whom you're talking about ;) )that you will make more valid your arguments.
It's not a matter of intelligence my friend. You are totally missing my point. What you fail to realize is that the rules are so elusive that it's not hard at all to avoid controls. Have you ever seen a pro cycle? There are many compounds and each of them, taken by itself, is not in dosages that would be considered exaggerated. Now, have I said that presciptions come from the same doctor???
Another thing. Go back and read my post. I haven't said that no bodybuilder had problems with roids illegal possession. I said "most competitors". English is not my first language (it's actually my 4th) but I think that "most competitors" doesn't mean "all bodybuilders". I guess this says a lot about your intelligence. You made two examples (Titus and Schmidt) and I can find more for you, but do you have an idea of how many got caught by the police and had no problem?
Regarding the intelligence comment... I hope you realize there is not a unique definition of such thing. However if you believe in those stupid (but entertaining) IQ tests I do pretty well ;).
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It's not calling other people idiot (especially because you have no clue to whom you're talking about ;) )that you will make more valid your arguments.
It's not a matter of intelligence my friend. You are totally missing my point. What you fail to realize is that the rules are so elusive that it's not hard at all to avoid controls. Have you ever seen a pro cycle? There are many compounds and each of them, taken by itself, is not in dosages that would be considered exaggerated. Now, have I said that presciptions come from the same doctor???
Another thing. Go back and read my post. I haven't said that no bodybuilder had problems with roids illegal possession. I said "most competitors". English is not my first language (it's actually my 4th) but I think that "most competitors" doesn't mean "all bodybuilders". I guess this says a lot about your intelligence. You made two examples (Titus and Schmidt) and I can find more for you, but do you have an idea of how many got caught by the police and had no problem?
Regarding the intelligence comment... I hope you realize there is not a unique definition of such thing. However if you believe in those stupid (but entertaining) IQ tests I do pretty well ;).
Oh my, this turd continues to argue with me! ::) This is going to be the last time I try to explain this to you; if you don't get it, I'll just let it go, because honestly I'm tired of arguing over the internet:
- Steroids are Shedule II drugs.
- Shedule II drugs are controlled substances.
- Controlled substances are scrutinized by the D.E.A
- Prescribing controlled substances innapropriately can cost a physician his medical license and lead him to serve time in jail - it is a crime.
- Professional bodybuilders take controlled substances in doses that no physician can legally justify.
- Ergo, no physician in the U.S.A would prescribe a professional bodybuilding cycle: the risk it too great.
Why can't you understand this? There are no "ifs" "ands" or "buts": no physician in the U.S.A can get away with it. Period. This is not debateable. Perhaps in your country it's different, but in America steroids are in the same drug category as morphine and methamphetamine. You just can't get it from an American physician in the doses pro bodybuilders use. End of story. There are no "ways" to get around this. American professional bodybuilders get their sauce from Europe and Mexico. I dare you to prove me that even a single pro gets his cycle prescribed by an M.D. It just doesen't happen. In Europe it might be the case, but not in the U.S. And again, I have provided examples of two bodybuilders who did time for possesssion of steroids; you have failed to show me even a single example of a bodybuilder who was arrested in possession of steroids and got away with it. Why? Because they don't exist. The law is extremely strict in the case of possesion of controlled substances. As for the prescriptions not coming from the same doctor, it actually makes it worse, because being prescribed controlled substaces by several doctors brings the D.E.A to your doorstep quicker than your bowls take to release themselves. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Oh my, this turd continues to argue with me! ::) This is going to be the last time I try to explain this to you; if you don't get it, I'll just let it go, because honestly I'm tired of arguing over the internet:
- Steroids are Shedule II drugs.
- Shedule II drugs are controlled substances.
- Controlled substances are scrutinized by the D.E.A
- Prescribing controlled substances innapropriately can cost a physician his medical license and lead him to serve time in jail - it is a crime.
- Professional bodybuilders take controlled substances in doses that no physician can legally justify.
- Ergo, no physician in the U.S.A would prescribe a professional bodybuilding cycle: the risk it too great.
Why can't you understand this? There are no "ifs" "ands" or "buts": no physician in the U.S.A can get away with it. Period. This is not debateable. Perhaps in your country it's different, but in America steroids are in the same drug category as morphine and methamphetamine. You just can't get it from an American physician in the doses pro bodybuilders use. End of story. There are no "ways" to get around this. American professional bodybuilders get their sauce from Europe and Mexico. I dare you to prove me that even a single pro gets his cycle prescribed by an M.D. It just doesen't happen. In Europe it might be the case, but not in the U.S. And again, I have provided examples of two bodybuilders who did time for possesssion of steroids; you have failed to show me even a single example of a bodybuilder who was arrested in possession of steroids and got away with it. Why? Because they don't exist. The law is extremely strict in the case of possesion of controlled substances. As for the prescriptions not coming from the same doctor, it actually makes it worse, because being prescribed controlled substaces by several doctors brings the D.E.A to your doorstep quicker than your bowls take to release themselves. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You have no idea of what you're talking about, you have no direct experience and, quite frankly, you are a moron. Sorry for the time you wasted writing that long and unuseful post.
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You have no idea of what you're talking about, you have no direct experience and, quite frankly, you are a moron. Sorry for the time you wasted writing that long and unuseful post.
OWNED
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OWNED
Nope. Not an ownage at all. An ownage implies proving me wrong in some way, and he didn't do that. Calling me an idiot and saying that I have no idea what I'm talking about, when I most deifiitely do, and the doing nothing to disprove me, does not constitute an ownage in any way, shape or form. What? Do you want me to go back to the truce thread and kick your ass again? ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Nope. Not an ownage at all. An ownage implies proving me wrong in some way, and he didn't do that. Calling me an idiot and saying that I have no idea what I'm talking about, when I most deifiitely do, and the doing nothing to disprove me, does not constitute an ownage in any way, shape or form. What? Do you want me to go back to the truce thread and kick your ass again? ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Brutal Explination Mizelt dizown
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Nope. Not an ownage at all. An ownage implies proving me wrong in some way, and he didn't do that. Calling me an idiot and saying that I have no idea what I'm talking about, when I most deifiitely do, and the doing nothing to disprove me, does not constitute an ownage in any way, shape or form. What? Do you want me to go back to the truce thread and kick your ass again?
oh, but he did prove you wrong. You are naive if you think laws and regulations aren't broken all the time. Cops do it. Politicians do it. What makes you think doctors are any exception? All they have to do is write a prescription for steroids. The key to not getting caught is to only do this for people they trust. If you walked into some doctor's office and asked for steroids, he would probably laugh at you. However, if you have connections with the right doctors, I guarantee you they wouldn't mind writing a prescription for an "extra" fee.
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Nope. Not an ownage at all. An ownage implies proving me wrong in some way, and he didn't do that. Calling me an idiot and saying that I have no idea what I'm talking about, when I most deifiitely do, and the doing nothing to disprove me, does not constitute an ownage in any way, shape or form. What? Do you want me to go back to the truce thread and kick your ass again? ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Tool, you're not in a court, if you are asking for proofs, then I can challenge you to prove that mr. Coleman is a steroid abuser as you claimed.
It's an opinion section, I reported something that I happen to know (competitors having medical prescriptions). You can agree or disagree, believe or not, but you can't prove shit.
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oh, but he did prove you wrong. You are naive if you think laws and regulations aren't broken all the time. Cops do it. Politicians do it. What makes you think doctors are any exception? All they have to do is write a prescription for steroids. The key to not getting caught is to only do this for people they trust. If you walked into some doctor's office and asked for steroids, he would probably laugh at you. However, if you have connections with the right doctors, I guarantee you they wouldn't mind writing a prescription for an "extra" fee.
Nope. You are just bitter because I kicked your ass at the truce thread. You'd quote anyone who's arguing with me and write "owned".
As for steroids, you are dead wrong if you think pro bodybuilders get them through legitimate medical doctors. They get it through European pharmacies and from Mexico. Pro bodybuilders take steroids in doses that no physician could possibly justify. I see either one of two alternatives:
1. The bodybuilder gets all his drugs from a single doctor - Impossible. The D.E.A would arrest him immediately. A pro bodybuilder cycle simply has too many controlled substances in it, in doses that are too high. The doctor would have to respond to a medical committee in the D.E.A, and there's no medical condition that he could posssibly bring up to justiy so many controlled drugs in such large doses being prescribed for a single patient.
2. The bodybuilder get his steroids from several medical doctors, each prescribing only one substance - Again, impossible. This would ease things up for the M.Ds, but not for the bodybuilder. Why? Because every time a physician fills out a Schedule II drug prescription, he has to notify the D.E.A, including the name of the patient for whom the prescription is being dispensed to. So it does the bodybuilder no good to get only one drug prescribed by each physician, because the D.E.A would be notified every time his name showed up on the prescription pad, irrespective of the physician he gets the prescription from.
After the Steroid Act of 1990, when steroids became controlled substances under U.S federal law, the times when American M.Ds prescribed steroids for bodybuilders and athletes was gone. Just gone. Think about it: Why would a physician risk losing his license to practice medicine and even risk serving time for a few bucks? He can make far more money selling prescriptions for phentermine or diethylpropione to women who don't need it, since these weight-loss drugs are not controlled substances and there is far more demand for it. The times when doctors prescribed Ciba-Geigy methandrostenolone for bodybuilders in exchange for the price of a consultation are gone. Again, show me one pro bodybuilder who gets his drugs from legitimate U.S pharmacies and from doctors prescriptions and I will eat my words up. You can't do it, because you know you're wrong and I'm right. ;) Owned. 8)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Nope. You are just bitter because I kicked your ass at the truce thread. You'd quote anyone who's arguing with me and write "owned".
actually, you're the one who got your ass kicked so bad in that thread that you left. ;)
As for steroids, you are dead wrong if you think pro bodybuilders get them through legitimate medical doctors. They get it through European pharmacies and from Mexico. Pro bodybuilders take steroids in doses that no physician could possibly justify. I see either one of two alternatives:
I wasn't strictly talking about only professional bodybuilders, you dumbass. I'm in agreement with Tigerman who was speaking about competitors in general with steroid prescriptions from their doctors. Yes, this does include some bodybuilders too. You're incredibly naive if you think there aren't doctors who own their own practices or anti-aging clinics that don't hook certain people up with steroids for an extra fee. Just a few weeks ago there was a huge drug bust that happened in my hometown of Orlando. Eleven people, including 2 doctors, were arrested for the illegal distribution of steroids.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2788187
"Albany County District Attorney P. David Soares, who ran the investigation, said Signature (name of Pharmacy) filled prescriptions, in some cases from unlicensed doctors, knowing they had not examined patients."
"Soares has said his focus is on shutting down drug distributors and physicians writing illicit prescriptions instead of buyers."
now remind you, that's just one example of doctors writing prescriptions for steroids. I highly doubt the doctors involved in the drug bust are the only 2 in the entire US that are hooking people up with steroids. Imagine how many are out there that haven't been caught yet. Don't be so naive.
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actually, you're the one who got your ass kicked so bad in that thread that you left. ;)
Yes, I left because of you even though I upgraded my post count by over two thousand posts at that thread alone and never failed to reply to even one of your posts. I left because of you even though a guy who doesen't even like me remarked that I gave you the most "clear-cut ownage in the entire thread". I left because of you even though I replied to things you said that were so stupid that they didn't even merit a reply - such as when you said that Ronnie carried more mass at 247 lbs than at 257 lbs, or that the law of cause and effect is not explaied by logic - that was the tautology to end all tautologies. I left because of you even though I was debating PraetorFenix, Nicorulez and other posters that are more intelligent than you before I even started arguing with you, and I did it for hundreds of pages. ::)
Let's get something very straight, ok? You have failed to prove me wrong even once, and I am certainly not in any way even remotely preoccupied with you as an opponent, evident by the fact that, throughout the thread, I actually had to quote my own posts and demand that you reply to them because you remained silent several times. I am sitting here as calm as a whistle, while you have reported me to moderators trying to get me banned, called me out on other threads, confessed that you would wish that they prohibited me from posting, quoted the posts from others and wrote "owned" even though we weren't even arguing, etc. Ha ha ha ha ha ha...you are pathetic. ;) The last time I posted on the long thread was less than a week ago, and I wasn't even aware that you replied to my post, and yet you claim that I left because I got defeated. Why would that be the case if I already won the discussion? I had so far four people quote my posts and say that I owned you, while no one did the same when it comes to your replies to me, not even the other Coleman spooge-suckers. ;)
I wasn't strictly talking about only professional bodybuilders, you dumbass. I'm in agreement with Tigerman who was speaking about competitors in general with steroid prescriptions from their doctors. Yes, this does include some bodybuilders too. You're incredibly naive if you think there aren't doctors who own their own practices or anti-aging clinics that don't hook certain people up with steroids for an extra fee. Just a few weeks ago there was a huge drug bust that happened in my hometown of Orlando. Eleven people, including 2 doctors, were arrested for the illegal distribution of steroids.
No, steroids cannot be purchased from anti-ageing clinics. They are Shedule II drugs, and hence are controlled by the D.E.A. There are no "is", "ands" or "buts. Sure, if you're over 50 you can get a prescription for testosterone, but not in the doses that professional bodybuilders take. And yes, he was talking about professional bodybuilders and not regular trainers. C'mon...admit that you're just trying to discredit me out of spite and be done with it, you nerd. You're like an open book to me. I can see right through you. You're pissed because I owned you very badly and several posters like "Mussolini", "Body 88" and even "pobrecito" pointed that out, and now you're quoting everything anyone writes to me and writing owned because you're upset that I hurt your feelings.
And you're so dumb that you try to disprove me by quoting an article where the doctors in question were arrested What did I tell you?;) Who said there aren't dumb doctors? So because some doctors were stupid enough to dispense prescriptions for steroids and will now have their medical licenses cancelled and maybe even get time in jail you have disproven me? The point remains they are exceptions that prove the rule, and let me tell you that they were probably prescribing steroids in doses that were much lower than the ones prescribed for pro bodybuilders; they would have been arrested even sooner if they had prescribed steroids for a typical pro cycle. In any case, retard, you have failed to give me a single example of a pro bodybuilder who got his steroids prescribed by medical doctors, so I rest my case. The whole point o the discussion was his argument that Coleman purchased hi sdrugs with prescriptions from the doctor, and I have proved that this is impossible. You have been proven dead wrong, and the lesson for you is this: the next time you try to discredit me out of sheer spite, at least pic a topic that you have some idea about what you're talking about. This rules out bodybuilding and jurisprudence. ;)
"Albany County District Attorney P. David Soares, who ran the investigation, said Signature (name of Pharmacy) filled prescriptions, in some cases from unlicensed doctors, knowing they had not examined patients."
"Soares has said his focus is on shutting down drug distributors and physicians writing illicit prescriptions instead of buyers."
now remind you, that's just one example of doctors writing prescriptions for steroids. I highly doubt the doctors involved in the drug bust are the only 2 in the entire US that are hooking people up with steroids. Imagine how many are out there that haven't been caught yet. Don't be so naive.
Again, there are dumb doctors who might prescribe steroids. There are some doctors that might even prescribe Desoxyn(methamphetamine) for a rich junkie, but these are very rare, and the D.E.A would eventually find out, because it's unlikely that the junkie will only use this drug, and they will see his name on the prescription pads or other medications and will make the association. The doctor that prescribed him the meth will be locked up and lose his license because the feds will immediately know that the prescription was given not to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder or narcolepsy, the only medical uses that they are approved for. Likewise, the medical conditions that steroids treat, like muscular distonia and to stimulate the production o red blood cells in pernicious anemia and leukemia, are rare and the feds will see that a ma who takes so much of these drugs is using them for anabolic purposes and all the doctors involved will be arrested by D.E.A agents when they see that the man's name is on prescriptions filled by all of them. In any case, you have failed to provide even a single example of a pro who gets his steroids from medical doctors inside the U.S, which was my point from the start, so I win and you lose. Once again, you got your ass handed to you by yours truly. The next time you try to discredit me for the simple reason that you want to get revenge on me, at least try to know what the hell you're talking about. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Brutal taper(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134192.0;attach=150034;image)
They post shots of his H-taper, for what purpose? LOL
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No sane medical doctor would prescribe even 1/10th of the amount of drugs that Ronnie takes: he would lose his license to practice medicine if he did. No M.D could possibly justify a prescription for several grams of Test a week, cytadren and insulin to the same patient. Ergo, your assertion that Ronnie takes drugs legally is unlikely.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
"Ergo"? This is as gay as it gets from getbig's own Liberace SUCKY.
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You have no idea of what you're talking about, you have no direct experience and, quite frankly, you are a moron. Sorry for the time you wasted writing that long and unuseful post.
Is this a surprise from SUCKY, a self-described "graduate student of exercise physiology" who until corrected, spelled resistance "resistence" in previous posts? ::) That was no mistake either hahahahaahahahaha
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Is this a surprise from SUCKY, a self-described "graduate student of exercise physiology" who until corrected, spelled resistance "resistence" in previous posts? ::) That was no mistake either hahahahaahahahaha
Better than being a moderator in the training forum who is a Bowflex enthusiast and lives in a filfthy one bedroom apartment. ;)
Listen up, everyone. For those of you who are unaware of this, this is an actual picture of Pumpster's apartment and of his Bowflex machine. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Better than being a moderator in the training forum who is a Bowflex enthusiast and lives in a filfthy one bedroom apartment. ;)
Listen up, everyone. For those of you who are unaware of this, this is an actual picture of Pumpster's apartment and of his Bowflex machine. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
When you run out of arguments you start attacking the person???
WEAK!
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When you run out of arguments you start attacking the person???
WEAK!
How have I run out of arguments, you idiot? I have responded to all of your points, and rest assured that I'm right and you're wrong. "Attack the person"...wtf?! He is the one who attacked me in the first place, and I just responded to him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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How have I run out of arguments, you idiot? I have responded to all of your points, and rest assured that I'm right and you're wrong. "Attack the person"...wtf?! He is the one who attacked me in the first place, and I just responded to him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
No moron, you have asked yourself some questions and you have responded to them, not to my points.
Anyway, I think we should stop because we really went off-topic. This was supposed to be a thread to compare Ronnie's and Joel Stubb's back.
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Yes, I left because of you even though I upgraded my post count by over two thousand posts at that thread alone and never failed to reply to even one of your posts. I left because of you even though a guy who doesen't even like me remarked that I gave you the most "clear-cut ownage in the entire thread". I left because of you even though I replied to things you said that were so stupid that they didn't even merit a reply - such as when you said that Ronnie carried more mass at 247 lbs than at 257 lbs, or that the law of cause and effect is not explaied by logic - that was the tautology to end all tautologies. I left because of you even though I was debating PraetorFenix, Nicorulez and other posters that are more intelligent than you before I even started arguing with you, and I did it for hundreds of pages. ::)
Let's get something very straight, ok? You have failed to prove me wrong even once, and I am certainly not in any way even remotely preoccupied with you as an opponent, evident by the fact that, throughout the thread, I actually had to quote my own posts and demand that you reply to them because you remained silent several times. I am sitting here as calm as a whistle, while you have reported me to moderators trying to get me banned, called me out on other threads, confessed that you would wish that they prohibited me from posting, quoted the posts from others and wrote "owned" even though we weren't even arguing, etc. Ha ha ha ha ha ha...you are pathetic. ;) The last time I posted on the long thread was less than a week ago, and I wasn't even aware that you replied to my post, and yet you claim that I left because I got defeated. Why would that be the case if I already won the discussion? I had so far four people quote my posts and say that I owned you, while no one did the same when it comes to your replies to me, not even the other Coleman spooge-suckers. ;)
No, steroids cannot be purchased from anti-ageing clinics. They are Shedule II drugs, and hence are controlled by the D.E.A. There are no "is", "ands" or "buts. Sure, if you're over 50 you can get a prescription for testosterone, but not in the doses that professional bodybuilders take. And yes, he was talking about professional bodybuilders and not regular trainers. C'mon...admit that you're just trying to discredit me out of spite and be done with it, you nerd. You're like an open book to me. I can see right through you. You're pissed because I owned you very badly and several posters like "Mussolini", "Body 88" and even "pobrecito" pointed that out, and now you're quoting everything anyone writes to me and writing owned because you're upset that I hurt your feelings.
And you're so dumb that you try to disprove me by quoting an article where the doctors in question were arrested What did I tell you?;) Who said there aren't dumb doctors? So because some doctors were stupid enough to dispense prescriptions for steroids and will now have their medical licenses cancelled and maybe even get time in jail you have disproven me? The point remains they are exceptions that prove the rule, and let me tell you that they were probably prescribing steroids in doses that were much lower than the ones prescribed for pro bodybuilders; they would have been arrested even sooner if they had prescribed steroids for a typical pro cycle. In any case, retard, you have failed to give me a single example of a pro bodybuilder who got his steroids prescribed by medical doctors, so I rest my case. The whole point o the discussion was his argument that Coleman purchased hi sdrugs with prescriptions from the doctor, and I have proved that this is impossible. You have been proven dead wrong, and the lesson for you is this: the next time you try to discredit me out of sheer spite, at least pic a topic that you have some idea about what you're talking about. This rules out bodybuilding and jurisprudence. ;)
Again, there are dumb doctors who might prescribe steroids. There are some doctors that might even prescribe Desoxyn(methamphetamine) for a rich junkie, but these are very rare, and the D.E.A would eventually find out, because it's unlikely that the junkie will only use this drug, and they will see his name on the prescription pads or other medications and will make the association. The doctor that prescribed him the meth will be locked up and lose his license because the feds will immediately know that the prescription was given not to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder or narcolepsy, the only medical uses that they are approved for. Likewise, the medical conditions that steroids treat, like muscular distonia and to stimulate the production o red blood cells in pernicious anemia and leukemia, are rare and the feds will see that a ma who takes so much of these drugs is using them for anabolic purposes and all the doctors involved will be arrested by D.E.A agents when they see that the man's name is on prescriptions filled by all of them. In any case, you have failed to provide even a single example of a pro who gets his steroids from medical doctors inside the U.S, which was my point from the start, so I win and you lose. Once again, you got your ass handed to you by yours truly. The next time you try to discredit me for the simple reason that you want to get revenge on me, at least try to know what the hell you're talking about. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
That was an opus of a fucking meltdown! ahahahah!
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No moron, you have asked yourself some questions and you have responded to them, not to my points.
Anyway, I think we should stop because we really went off-topic. This was supposed to be a thread to compare Ronnie's and Joel Stubb's back.
Nope. I proved you wrong about Coleman obtaining his drugs with doctors' prescriptions inside the U.S. Hope this helps. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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That was an opus of a fucking meltdown! ahahahah!
Too many big words for your pea-brain to understand? ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Damn, Stubbs needs forearms bad. They look like twigs.
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Nope. I proved you wrong about Coleman obtaining his drugs with doctors' prescriptions inside the U.S. Hope this helps. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Bullshit. There is nothing to prove in what I said. C'mon why don't you try to prove that Ronnie broke the law as an officer as you claimed?
Do you know his cycle? NO
Have you blood tested him? NO
Can you show evidence he got steroids illegally? NO
Are you delusional? YES
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Are you delusional? YES
you got that right.
No one at this board is more intelligent that me. No one.
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Better than being a moderator in the training forum who is a Bowflex enthusiast and lives in a filfthy one bedroom apartment.
Listen up, everyone. For those of you who are unaware of this, this is an actual picture of Pumpster's apartment and of his Bowflex machine. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
"filfthy"? Like everything else claimed, he's still a clown at the end of the day & knows nothing; nice home gym. ;)
Quote from: suckmymuscle on December 01, 2006, 10:16:09 PM
No one at this board is more intelligent that me. No one.
This from the self-proclaimed "graduate student of physiology" who spells it "resistence" on the training forum LOL
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Sucky wasn't accepted to Hooked On Phonics graduate school LOL :P
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No.
You are not intelligent. The issue is not ethical, but legal. Doctors cannot prescribe Shedule II drugs like steroids, especially not in the doses that pro
Steriods are Class III drugs...Hope this helps.. :o
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Bullshit. There is nothing to prove in what I said. C'mon why don't you try to prove that Ronnie broke the law as an officer as you claimed?
Do you know his cycle? NO
Have you blood tested him? NO
Can you show evidence he got steroids illegally? NO
Are you delusional? YES
Ugh...of course Ronnie broke the law, since he used controlled substaces without a prescription. How do I Kow that he used them without a prescription? For the reasons I already gave: no medical doctor would prescribe steroids in the quantity that a pro bodybuilder uses, and getting lower quantities from several doctors is not an optio because the D.E.A monitos the names that goes into the prescriptions. Just admit that you are wrong and be done with it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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"Ergo"? This is as gay as it gets from getbig's own Liberace SUCKY.
wtf?
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Ugh...of course Ronnie broke the law, since he used controlled substaces without a prescription. How do I Kow that he used them without a prescription? For the reasons I already gave: no medical doctor would prescribe steroids in the quantity that a pro bodybuilder uses, and getting lower quantities from several doctors is not an optio because the D.E.A monitos the names that goes into the prescriptions. Just admit that you are wrong and be done with it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I am not wrong moron... search Coleman in this article...
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2007/03/25/m1a_STEROIDS_0325.html