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Title: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: OzmO on March 16, 2007, 09:09:28 PM
this looks fun:

I think he's trying to fire BUSH  ;D

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm)

TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Fri Mar 16 2007 16:12:53 ET

Donald Trump goes off on President Bush in a scathing attack during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on the Friday edition of CNN's 'Situation Room.

"Well, I think Bush is probably the worst president in the history of the United States. And I just don't understand how [the Democrats] could have lost that election."

MORE...

"Everything in Washington has been a lie. Weapons of mass destruction, it was a total lie.
It was a way of attacking Iraq, which he thought was going to be easy and it turned out to be the exact opposite of easy. He reads 60 books a year. He reads a book a week. Do you think the president reads a book a week? I don't think so. He doesn't watch television. Now, one thing I know is when I'm on television, I watch, or I try. You do. Your own ego says, let's watch. Whether good or bad, you want to watch. He doesn't watch television. He's on television being interviewed by you or someone else, he doesn't watch. Does anyone really believe that?"

On Saddam Hussein:

"Whether they like him or didn't like him, he hated terrorists. He would shoot and kill terrorists. When terrorists came into this country, which he did control and he did dominate, he would kill terrorists. Now it is a breeding ground for terrorists."

DEVELOPING...
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: Dos Equis on March 16, 2007, 09:11:50 PM
On Saddam Hussein:

"Whether they like him or didn't like him, he hated terrorists. He would shoot and kill terrorists. When terrorists came into this country, which he did control and he did dominate, he would kill terrorists. Now it is a breeding ground for terrorists."

 ::)
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: OzmO on March 16, 2007, 09:14:11 PM
On Saddam Hussein:

"Whether they like him or didn't like him, he hated terrorists. He would shoot and kill terrorists. When terrorists came into this country, which he did control and he did dominate, he would kill terrorists. Now it is a breeding ground for terrorists."

 ::)

do you disagree with the bold?
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Dos Equis on March 16, 2007, 09:21:51 PM
do you disagree with the bold?

I don't know.  It might have been a breeding ground for terrorists before we invaded.  And Saddam sponsored terrorism, which made him a terrorist.

To say Saddam hated terrorists is beyond stupid.   
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: BRUCE on March 16, 2007, 09:25:52 PM
On Saddam Hussein:

"Whether they like him or didn't like him, he hated terrorists. He would shoot and kill terrorists. When terrorists came into this country, which he did control and he did dominate, he would kill terrorists. Now it is a breeding ground for terrorists."

DEVELOPING...

Great post Ozmo.  I love Trump, absolutely idolize him as the quintessential business mind, but his political nous (or lack thereof) leaves a lot to be desired.

http://www.husseinandterror.com/ (http://www.husseinandterror.com/)

He's way off on this one, no doubt. 
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: 240 is Back on March 16, 2007, 09:34:53 PM
I don't know.  It might have been a breeding ground for terrorists before we invaded.

Intel reports say it wasn't, until we got there.

And at this point, the whole world knows the truth.  There are still a small group - 1/4 of America - that believe Bush.  The rest of the world - nope.  Just a sliver of smallcocked proxy warmongers who need a daddy figure. 
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: Dos Equis on March 16, 2007, 09:40:22 PM
Intel reports say it wasn't, until we got there.

And at this point, the whole world knows the truth.  There are still a small group - 1/4 of America - that believe Bush.  The rest of the world - nope.  Just a sliver of smallcocked proxy warmongers who need a daddy figure. 

You crack me up.  It must be cool to be privy to information and have so many unequivocal answers to so many questions that much of the world doesn't know about.       
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: OzmO on March 16, 2007, 09:46:41 PM
Great post Ozmo.  I love Trump, absolutely idolize him as the quintessential business mind, but his political nous (or lack thereof) leaves a lot to be desired.

http://www.husseinandterror.com/ (http://www.husseinandterror.com/)

He's way off on this one, no doubt. 


i agree with you, i love Trump, only read one of his books though, "Art of the deal"  but politics most likely isn't his forte.

I've seen that site before from you. 

I just don;t think what he did have cooking was enough to warrant what we did also the considering the dynamics of the position he was in i don't think he would have done anything to jeopardize his power base.

but you and i have been down this road before.  I respect how you see it.   :)

He was a dangerous, thug who tortured and repressed his people.  Removing him at the very least was a good thing even though it hasn't turned out the way we thought it would for now.

Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: 240 is Back on March 16, 2007, 09:57:52 PM
You crack me up.  It must be cool to be privy to information and have so many unequivocal answers to so many questions that much of the world doesn't know about.      

This kind of information isn't secret anymore.

They have this thing called a 'newspaper' at stores - check them out.

The Media: Not just for gay-rights/Obama-hating anymore.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: Dos Equis on March 16, 2007, 10:08:09 PM
This kind of information isn't secret anymore.

They have this thing called a 'newspaper' at stores - check them out.

The Media: Not just for gay-rights/Obama-hating anymore.

Whatever you say Nostradamus.   ::)
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: 240 is Back on March 16, 2007, 10:09:15 PM
Whatever you say Nostradamus.   ::)

i'm calling you at the univ in ten years to say 'toldja so'.  what you teaching this summer anyway?  buncha slackers over there.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on March 16, 2007, 10:16:11 PM
This kind of information isn't secret anymore.

They have this thing called a 'newspaper' at stores - check them out.

The Media: Not just for gay-rights/Obama-hating anymore.

LOL

I think Obama's intriguing. I know there's quite a bit of time left but I'd really like to hear him talk about his plans. I've heard nothing even remotely resembling his ideas for a Presidency yet.

McCain's the man right now but I'm certainly interested in what Obama has to say.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: youandme on March 16, 2007, 10:18:47 PM
I don't know.  

Why do you always say that when you mock things? It's common knowledge that Saddam controlled Iraq with a iron fist and killed terrorists.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Dos Equis on March 16, 2007, 11:12:49 PM
Why do you always say that when you mock things? It's common knowledge that Saddam controlled Iraq with a iron fist and killed terrorists.

Is this a trick question?   :)  I say "I don't know" when I don't know.  I mock things that are funny, dumb, and/or don't make any sense. 

It's common knowledge that Saddam sponsored terrorism.   
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2007, 12:50:31 AM
Great post Ozmo.  I love Trump, absolutely idolize him as the quintessential business mind, but his political nous (or lack thereof) leaves a lot to be desired.

http://www.husseinandterror.com/ (http://www.husseinandterror.com/)

He's way off on this one, no doubt. 


Just read the link Bruce.  Thanks for posting this.  Very difficult to conclude Saddam did not support terrorism.  Pretty compelling evidence. 

One thing I didn't mention (unless I just missed it) was the enormous amount of cash Saddam kept.  I doubt he used this cash for legitimate reasons. 

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20040602/ai_n14577288
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Victor VonDoom on March 17, 2007, 06:57:00 AM
He's The Worst Ever
By Eric Foner

Ever since 1948, when Harvard professor Arthur Schlesinger Sr. asked 55 historians to rank U.S. presidents on a scale from "great" to "failure," such polls have been a favorite pastime for those of us who study the American past.

Changes in presidential rankings reflect shifts in how we view history. When the first poll was taken, the Reconstruction era that followed the Civil War was regarded as a time of corruption and misgovernment caused by granting black men the right to vote. As a result, President Andrew Johnson, a fervent white supremacist who opposed efforts to extend basic rights to former slaves, was rated "near great." Today, by contrast, scholars consider Reconstruction a flawed but noble attempt to build an interracial democracy from the ashes of slavery -- and Johnson a flat failure.

More often, however, the rankings display a remarkable year-to-year uniformity. Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Franklin D. Roosevelt always figure in the "great" category. Most presidents are ranked "average" or, to put it less charitably, mediocre. Johnson, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge and Richard M. Nixon occupy the bottom rung, and now President Bush is a leading contender to join them. A look at history, as well as Bush's policies, explains why.

At a time of national crisis, Pierce and Buchanan, who served in the eight years preceding the Civil War, and Johnson, who followed it, were simply not up to the job. Stubborn, narrow-minded, unwilling to listen to criticism or to consider alternatives to disastrous mistakes, they surrounded themselves with sycophants and shaped their policies to appeal to retrogressive political forces (in that era, pro-slavery and racist ideologues). Even after being repudiated in the midterm elections of 1854, 1858 and 1866, respectively, they ignored major currents of public opinion and clung to flawed policies. Bush's presidency certainly brings theirs to mind.

Harding and Coolidge are best remembered for the corruption of their years in office (1921-23 and 1923-29, respectively) and for channeling money and favors to big business. They slashed income and corporate taxes and supported employers' campaigns to eliminate unions. Members of their administrations received kickbacks and bribes from lobbyists and businessmen. "Never before, here or anywhere else," declared the Wall Street Journal, "has a government been so completely fused with business." The Journal could hardly have anticipated the even worse cronyism, corruption and pro-business bias of the Bush administration.

Despite some notable accomplishments in domestic and foreign policy, Nixon is mostly associated today with disdain for the Constitution and abuse of presidential power. Obsessed with secrecy and media leaks, he viewed every critic as a threat to national security and illegally spied on U.S. citizens. Nixon considered himself above the law.

Bush has taken this disdain for law even further. He has sought to strip people accused of crimes of rights that date as far back as the Magna Carta in Anglo-American jurisprudence: trial by impartial jury, access to lawyers and knowledge of evidence against them. In dozens of statements when signing legislation, he has asserted the right to ignore the parts of laws with which he disagrees. His administration has adopted policies regarding the treatment of prisoners of war that have disgraced the nation and alienated virtually the entire world. Usually, during wartime, the Supreme Court has refrained from passing judgment on presidential actions related to national defense. The court's unprecedented rebukes of Bush's policies on detainees indicate how far the administration has strayed from the rule of law.

One other president bears comparison to Bush: James K. Polk. Some historians admire him, in part because he made their job easier by keeping a detailed diary during his administration, which spanned the years of the Mexican-American War. But Polk should be remembered primarily for launching that unprovoked attack on Mexico and seizing one-third of its territory for the United States.

Lincoln, then a member of Congress from Illinois, condemned Polk for misleading Congress and the public about the cause of the war -- an alleged Mexican incursion into the United States. Accepting the president's right to attack another country "whenever he shall deem it necessary," Lincoln observed, would make it impossible to "fix any limit" to his power to make war. Today, one wishes that the country had heeded Lincoln's warning.

Historians are loath to predict the future. It is impossible to say with certainty how Bush will be ranked in, say, 2050. But somehow, in his first six years in office he has managed to combine the lapses of leadership, misguided policies and abuse of power of his failed predecessors. I think there is no alternative but to rank him as the worst president in U.S. history.

Eric Foner is DeWitt Clinton professor of history at Columbia University.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 17, 2007, 07:04:08 AM
On Saddam Hussein:

"Whether they like him or didn't like him, he hated terrorists. He would shoot and kill terrorists. When terrorists came into this country, which he did control and he did dominate, he would kill terrorists. Now it is a breeding ground for terrorists."

 ::)

unfortunately..the rest of the world already knows this...

and also said something about Ameircas being hated..which is true..i posted something about 2 of my friends getting the shit treatement at a bar in germany..there were white..

from now on when i travel..i'm canadian..
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: 240 is Back on March 17, 2007, 08:30:39 AM
Behold our folly.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: OzmO on March 17, 2007, 09:04:25 AM
my friend does the same thing,  he never says he's America.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Slapper on March 17, 2007, 09:36:20 AM
Is this a trick question?   :)  I say "I don't know" when I don't know.  I mock things that are funny, dumb, and/or don't make any sense. 

It's common knowledge that Saddam sponsored terrorism.   

"Common knowledge"? Whose? Bush's? Yours? The funny thing is that there is 0, zilch, nada, niente proof that the jerkoffmeister himself (Saddy-Huss) sponsored any type of terrorism. As far as the "common knowledge" you're referring to, well, you base your opinion on what you're told by the media, like 99.99% of us suckas, so that excerpt can just as easily be replaced with "media misinformation tells me that..."

Sadam did terrorize his population, but so did we. Funny thing is a couple of years ago, when Irak was at war with Iran, he was our paisan/down wit us. He was even paid a visit by Rumsfeld and the rest of the "hawks".

All of a sudden he decides to stop buying weapons (chemical, biological, etc.) from us, decides to invade Kuwait on legitimate claims that the kuwaitis were drilling into Iraqi territory, which is true BTW, around the Ratqa oil field area in fact, and he no longa ou boy. This can just as easily be replaced with Indonesia, Angola, Central American states (El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panamá), etc. The same pattern all over the place.

Dictator is our friend because he represents democracy (translation: our business interests) and a couple of years later, when the friendship (translation: our business relationship) is done, he is the worst muddafucka to come along since Lucifer. Well, I ain't buying it no mo.

I neither trust the majority of the US media nor the US government. Gotti used to call the US government the "alphabetized thugs" (IRS, CIA, FBI, NSA, etc.), and coming from a murderer thug like himself, well, it's a compliment to say the least (meaning they is beating us at our own game neegga!), for those who know "the game".       

So either we're true to ourselves and recognize that the US government is carrying, and has carried, out terrorist operations in some countries around the globe (usually the ones unable to defend themselves though) or keep the hypocritical game up until people will not only land planes into buildings, but do much worse. It's our call, although if you make this a "us", meaning the US government with the pasive complacency of the population, vs. the rest of the world, meaning 5 billion souls... Let's just say nature understands us humans from a "safety is in the numbers" standpoint.

You may either believe Bush (or the real president: Cheney)/Barbara Walters or your own guts. The later is right 99% of the time. When I travel outside the US I always make a point to distinguish the US population from its government, because the inmense majority of Americans are warm-hearted and want better for everyone.

Adios.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2007, 10:01:50 AM
"Common knowledge"? Whose? Bush's? Yours? The funny thing is that there is 0, zilch, nada, niente proof that the jerkoffmeister himself (Saddy-Huss) sponsored any type of terrorism. As far as the "common knowledge" you're referring to, well, you base your opinion on what you're told by the media, like 99.99% of us suckas, so that excerpt can just as easily be replaced with "media misinformation tells me that..."


"Shawn documents how some of the $10 billion obtained illegally by Hussein as part of the oil-for-food program between 1997 and 2002 was used to fund families of Palestinians suicide bombers."

 http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51005

You probably don't consider this sponsoring terrorism, but I do.

Adios.   :) 
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2007, 10:02:58 AM
unfortunately..the rest of the world already knows this...

and also said something about Ameircas being hated..which is true..i posted something about 2 of my friends getting the shit treatement at a bar in germany..there were white..

from now on when i travel..i'm canadian..

So Bush is responsible for Germans hating Americans?  O.K.   ::)
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 17, 2007, 11:24:01 AM
So Bush is responsible for Germans hating Americans?  O.K.   ::)

Not just the Germans.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2007, 11:29:01 AM
Not just the Germans.

Ah yes.  The world loved Americans before Bush took office and Bush has caused the world to hate us.  Baloney.   ::)  Classic revisionist history. 
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 17, 2007, 12:15:05 PM
YES!!!! Trump is an absolute master, he should be president instead of bush.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Camel Jockey on March 17, 2007, 12:17:52 PM
Ah yes.  The world loved Americans before Bush took office and Bush has caused the world to hate us.  Baloney.   ::)  Classic revisionist history. 

Clinton is still held in high regards. One of my cousins travels extensively and she's told me how she and some of her colegues get treated rudely in european countries, and keep in mind her colegues are white. She said this rude treatment started mostly after the start of the iraq war.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2007, 12:23:23 PM
Clinton is still held in high regards. One of my cousins travels extensively and she's told me how she and some of her colegues get treated rudely in european countries, and keep in mind her colegues are white. She said this rude treatment started mostly after the start of the iraq war.

Americans have had trouble with rude treatment in foreign countries for years.  Try talking to someone who has been to France in the past 20 or 30 years. 

Also, it is a little difficult to conclude countries hate us because of the war when many of them are supporting the war with manpower or money, or both.  There is still a multinational force in Iraq. 
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Camel Jockey on March 17, 2007, 12:28:47 PM

Also, it is a little difficult to conclude countries hate us because of the war when many of them are supporting the war with manpower or money, or both.  There is still a multinational force in Iraq. 

The politicians of those respective nations are buddies with the US so of course they're sending troops. However, I don't think the people of those nations support our foreign policy.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2007, 12:33:11 PM
The politicians of those respective nations are buddies with the US so of course they're sending troops. However, I don't think the people of those nations support our foreign policy.

True.  I'm sure there is a significant portion of the population in those countries, like many in our country, who don't support the war.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Slapper on March 17, 2007, 03:33:28 PM
"Shawn documents how some of the $10 billion obtained illegally by Hussein as part of the oil-for-food program between 1997 and 2002 was used to fund families of Palestinians suicide bombers."

 http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51005

You probably don't consider this sponsoring terrorism, but I do.

Adios.   :) 

You go into a country (Irak,) you fail to topple the establishment, you kill thousands of people and hundreds of our soldiers die in the process. You retreat, impose the crudest embargo known to mankind so far, which kills thousands of women and children and has an only goal: to prevent a decline in the production of oil (hence no sudden price hikes).

Once the embargo has killed plenty of people and the leadership of the country fails to obey our orders (hey! It's the benefit of being the-ruthless-ruler of your own country I guess,) you set paralels over which this guy's planes can't fly (which coincide, surprise!, with the location of the oil fields,) you force him to relinquish all his WMD, which he does, according to the UN inspectors.

After all of this, you tell me that the guy is breaking the rules by paying Hamas' widows and relatives the money to bury the 5000 remains of their sons and daughters? And to prove it all you post a link to an extreme right website in which the first thing you see is a huge cross, a banner with a picture of the Bible on it and a skank wearing a t-shirt with the Che Guevara logo in a circle and a line going through it? Would you happen to have more sources? Anything to the left of "Hitler is God" party would be fine (I'm lowering the bar considerably here).

By the same token, what would you consider the following:

1. Nicaragua (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair) (thousands killed by the US-backed Guatemalan government);
2. Guatemala (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4238417.stm) (200,000 killed by the US-backed Guatemalan government);
3. Vietnam (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/trenches/my_lai.html) (hundreds of thousands dead-including US soldiers-);
4. Irak (100,000 Iraki civilians dead and thousands of US soldiers dead thanks to a piece of paper that states that Sadam paid Hamas' widows, a drawing of a truck and a satellite photograph that shows trucks parked on one side of a square building-it could be the Costco up in Manchester for all I know. All based on a "believe me" speach.)

We're really spreading the love maaan!!!

You tell me.

PS: Feel free to click on the links.
   
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: bmacsys on March 17, 2007, 06:14:17 PM
unfortunately..the rest of the world already knows this...


from now on when i travel..i'm canadian..

Don't be a coward. You are kidding I hope?
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: bmacsys on March 17, 2007, 06:16:28 PM
my friend does the same thing,  he never says he's America.

He is a pussy then. Doesn't deserve to be called an American. Men die every day for this country. What kind of panty waste would be such a total sack of shit?
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: bmacsys on March 17, 2007, 06:20:16 PM
Ah yes.  The world loved Americans before Bush took office and Bush has caused the world to hate us.  Baloney.   ::)  Classic revisionist history. 


Who exactly cares what envious fuckers in other countries think about us? Don't people here have any fucking balls? Who gives a fuck what others think? I for one don't give a flying fuck what people think of us in other countries. Why worry what others think? Live for what YOU THINK. Not others.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: OzmO on March 17, 2007, 08:32:19 PM
He is a pussy then. Doesn't deserve to be called an American. Men die every day for this country. What kind of panty waste would be such a total sack of shit?

one that's in a foreign country by himself in a bar full of people that might have no problem ganging up and beating him to death.  Or better yet, when he goes through Egypt, one that is concerned he might get kidnapped and appear on the next ghastly video.  He's not doing business in the tourist spots.  It's not that way all the time for him, but he has in the last 10 years had to not reveal he's American.

bmacy's  all due respect, i doubt you've traveled much and you might consider thinking before you respond.   It's easy to condemn other people without walking in their shoes or at the very least be in other countries where anti-American sentiment is high, and you are by yourself.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: bmacsys on March 17, 2007, 09:04:00 PM
one that's in a foreign country by himself in a bar full of people that might have no problem ganging up and beating him to death.  Or better yet, when he goes through Egypt, one that is concerned he might get kidnapped and appear on the next ghastly video.  He's not doing business in the tourist spots.  It's not that way all the time for him, but he has in the last 10 years had to not reveal he's American.

bmacy's  all due respect, i doubt you've traveled much and you might consider thinking before you respond.   It's easy to condemn other people without walking in their shoes or at the very least be in other countries where anti-American sentiment is high, and you are by yourself.
Why is he in a bar full of people who hate Americans? If you have to hide where you are from you more than likely shouldn't be traveling to those destinations. If I tried to hide about being an American I really would have to do some serious soul searching. One grandfather fought in the Pacific the other in Europe both were seriously wounded, my dad fought in Vietnam and has Agent Orange poisening. I was a Marine for four years and served overseas in the Philippines where you could easily get killed off post. I wouldn't lie about where I was from plain and simple.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2007, 09:10:11 PM
You go into a country (Irak,) you fail to topple the establishment, you kill thousands of people and hundreds of our soldiers die in the process. You retreat, impose the crudest embargo known to mankind so far, which kills thousands of women and children and has an only goal: to prevent a decline in the production of oil (hence no sudden price hikes).

Once the embargo has killed plenty of people and the leadership of the country fails to obey our orders (hey! It's the benefit of being the-ruthless-ruler of your own country I guess,) you set paralels over which this guy's planes can't fly (which coincide, surprise!, with the location of the oil fields,) you force him to relinquish all his WMD, which he does, according to the UN inspectors.

After all of this, you tell me that the guy is breaking the rules by paying Hamas' widows and relatives the money to bury the 5000 remains of their sons and daughters? And to prove it all you post a link to an extreme right website in which the first thing you see is a huge cross, a banner with a picture of the Bible on it and a skank wearing a t-shirt with the Che Guevara logo in a circle and a line going through it? Would you happen to have more sources? Anything to the left of "Hitler is God" party would be fine (I'm lowering the bar considerably here).

By the same token, what would you consider the following:

1. Nicaragua (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair) (thousands killed by the US-backed Guatemalan government);
2. Guatemala (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4238417.stm) (200,000 killed by the US-backed Guatemalan government);
3. Vietnam (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/trenches/my_lai.html) (hundreds of thousands dead-including US soldiers-);
4. Irak (100,000 Iraki civilians dead and thousands of US soldiers dead thanks to a piece of paper that states that Sadam paid Hamas' widows, a drawing of a truck and a satellite photograph that shows trucks parked on one side of a square building-it could be the Costco up in Manchester for all I know. All based on a "believe me" speach.)

We're really spreading the love maaan!!!

You tell me.

PS: Feel free to click on the links.
   

Save your anti-American rants for Jag.  She'll actually read them. 

I was responding to this comment: 

"Common knowledge"? Whose? Bush's? Yours? The funny thing is that there is 0, zilch, nada, niente proof that the jerkoffmeister himself (Saddy-Huss) sponsored any type of terrorism.

The link Bruce provided disproves this statement, as does the link I provided.  Saddam was providing financial rewards to suicide bombers.  That's sponsoring terrorism. 
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2007, 09:10:39 PM

Who exactly cares what envious fuckers in other countries think about us? Don't people here have any fucking balls? Who gives a fuck what others think? I for one don't give a flying fuck what people think of us in other countries. Why worry what others think? Live for what YOU THINK. Not others.

Good point.  I don't care.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: OzmO on March 17, 2007, 09:28:29 PM
Why is he in a bar full of people who hate Americans? If you have to hide where you are from you more than likely shouldn't be traveling to those destinations. If I tried to hide about being an American I really would have to do some serious soul searching. One grandfather fought in the Pacific the other in Europe both were seriously wounded, my dad fought in Vietnam and has Agent Orange poisening. I was a Marine for four years and served overseas in the Philippines where you could easily get killed off post. I wouldn't lie about where I was from plain and simple.

I doubt the people in the bar are wearing anti-American t-shirts.  I lived in the P.I. for 9 years.  very different thing, compared to being in kosovo or bosnia 1 year after Clinton had us bombing them.  Same thing in Egypt,  you just don;t go around advertising you're American, unless you want trouble.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: bmacsys on March 17, 2007, 09:30:24 PM
I doubt the people in the bar are wearing anti-American t-shirts.  I lived in the P.I. for 9 years.  very different thing, compared to being in kosovo or bosnia 1 year after Clinton had us bombing them.  Same thing in Egypt,  you just don;t go around advertising you're American, unless you want trouble.

We never said anything about advertising you are an American. We were talking about hiding it or saying you aren't.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: OzmO on March 17, 2007, 09:34:20 PM
We never said anything about advertising you are an American. We were talking about hiding it or saying you aren't.

Well that's kind of what i meant,  sorry i wasn't clear.

although in Bosnia or where ever exactly, he didn't at that time.  People hated Americans there were bombed out buildings everywhere.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: bmacsys on March 17, 2007, 09:41:25 PM
Well that's kind of what i meant,  sorry i wasn't clear.

No problem OzmO. I like discussing things with someone like you. It doesn't get out of hand or turn into insults or anything like that.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: bmacsys on March 17, 2007, 09:43:39 PM
I think Bush took what could have been a historical presidency and ruined it with the Iraq war. That being said Trump has zero class. He and Rosie O'Donnell deserve each other.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: OzmO on March 17, 2007, 09:47:49 PM
No problem OzmO. I like discussing things with someone like you. It doesn't get out of hand or turn into insults or anything like that.

thanks,  i try, same to you.   

I'm usually ok until i start getting insulted and i eventually always join in.   
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: 24KT on March 17, 2007, 09:57:03 PM
Why is he in a bar full of people who hate Americans? If you have to hide where you are from you more than likely shouldn't be traveling to those destinations. If I tried to hide about being an American I really would have to do some serious soul searching. One grandfather fought in the Pacific the other in Europe both were seriously wounded, my dad fought in Vietnam and has Agent Orange poisening. I was a Marine for four years and served overseas in the Philippines where you could easily get killed off post. I wouldn't lie about where I was from plain and simple.

Is this sentiment shared by everyone in your family?  ;)
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: bmacsys on March 17, 2007, 10:10:20 PM
Is this sentiment shared by everyone in your family?  ;)

Am I missing something honey?
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: 24KT on March 18, 2007, 06:07:12 AM
Am I missing something honey?

you tell me.  ;)
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: bmacsys on March 18, 2007, 06:24:33 AM
you tell me.  ;)

You lost me on this one?
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Slapper on March 18, 2007, 05:59:24 PM
Save your anti-American rants for Jag.  She'll actually read them. 

I was responding to this comment: 

"Common knowledge"? Whose? Bush's? Yours? The funny thing is that there is 0, zilch, nada, niente proof that the jerkoffmeister himself (Saddy-Huss) sponsored any type of terrorism.

The link Bruce provided disproves this statement, as does the link I provided.  Saddam was providing financial rewards to suicide bombers.  That's sponsoring terrorism. 


Well, you sound like you do have time, because you do need time to come up with all the BS that you write. And God only knows that even BS takes time to write (and read).

Let me throw your dismissive brain (or lack thereof) for a loop:

WHAT OTHER SOURCES DO YOU HAVE? I repeat, WHAT OTHER SOURCES DO YOU HAVE?

Hope I made it simple enough for you so that it doesn't elude your ADD...
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATE
Post by: Dos Equis on March 18, 2007, 06:09:43 PM
Well, you sound like you do have time, because you do need time to come up with all the BS that you write. And God only knows that even BS takes time to write (and read).

Let me throw your dismissive brain (or lack thereof) for a loop:

WHAT OTHER SOURCES DO YOU HAVE? I repeat, WHAT OTHER SOURCES DO YOU HAVE?

Hope I made it simple enough for you so that it doesn't elude your ADD...

Ad hominem nonsense.   ::)
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 18, 2007, 07:13:11 PM
oh brother, you dont have to fear being american in europe, just act like a respectable person and you'll be fine. the italians, germans, swiss, austrians, croatians, spaniards, and yes even the frenchies have treated us fine lately while on vacation.
granted some italian douche almost started a brawl with my brother but he was stagger drunk
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: Slapper on March 24, 2007, 07:18:12 AM
oh brother, you dont have to fear being american in europe, just act like a respectable person and you'll be fine. the italians, germans, swiss, austrians, croatians, spaniards, and yes even the frenchies have treated us fine lately while on vacation.
granted some italian douche almost started a brawl with my brother but he was stagger drunk

That is the case.

They do make a distinction between the actions of the people in power (needless to say has nothing to do with leadership) and the remaining defenseless/powerless americans, or 99.999999% of the American people.

Although people like the one that posted right before you will have a tough time "fitting in" outside of Hitlatown, were he to travel outside the States that is.

And one thing, I got my ass kicked in Spain (do not go to the Basque Country, what a shithole!) about a year and a half ago for making a stupid comment and learned, the hard way, that the American consulates WILL NOT help you in any way, shape or form, aside from letting you use their pay phones or provide you with very limited legal help in cases of death or disappearance. A useful fact should you intend on getting "medieval" on someone in a foreign country.

Adios.
Title: Re: TRUMP: BUSH 'PROBABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES'
Post by: The Enigma on March 25, 2007, 08:39:41 AM
On Saddam Hussein:

"Whether they like him or didn't like him, he hated terrorists. He would shoot and kill terrorists. When terrorists came into this country, which he did control and he did dominate, he would kill terrorists. Now it is a breeding ground for terrorists."

 ::)

Bush is the terrorist IMO.