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Look what I found. :) http://goodnewsiraq.com/index2.htm
Brace yourselves. There is actually good news from Iraq. Who knew? (Obviously not CNN).
Among the things reported on this site:
Iraqi Soldiers Take Lead on Riyadh Mission
RIYADH, Iraq, March 21, 2007 — The Iraqi army soldiers’ flashlights pierce the darkness as they search the Riyadh marketplace for any wires or materials that may indicate the emplacement of an improvised explosive device in the area. Story
Engineers Help Iraqis Hone Construction Skills
DAHUK, Iraq, March 21, 2007 — A class of Iraqi engineers completed a four-day course in construction quality management, enhancing their job skills to achieve a quality product safely, on time and within budget. Story
Investigative Techniques Counter Terrorists
COMBAT OUTPOST ELLIS, Iraq, March 21, 2007 — Marines are currently using crime scene investigation techniques to help combat insurgents in ongoing operations in Iraq. Story
Sailors Help Feed Babies at Djibouti Orphanage
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WHOA!!! Easy beach we might overload them with facts!!! Notice how quiet it has been today? All these facts have them stumped
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Someone is undoubtedly furiously trying to discredit the web site. :) This certainly helps prove the point we've been trying to make about CNN (and other outlets) failing to report good news from Iraq.
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This certainly helps prove the point we've been trying to make about CNN (and other outlets) failing to report good news from Iraq.
I agree.
Some how a suicide bomber in a local market full of families and the deaths of US service men seem to garner more attention and thus are deemed more news worthy and or larger issues by the major news networks.
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Bwahaha,
Wait wait, you mean humans can now spot IEDs with flashlights? Shall I send them some batteries for their flashlights, or can the US find some change to cover the cost while not building swimming pools.
Hold on, great news CSI will be having a episode in Iraq now, glad to see were using up to date techniques for figting insurgents, hey do we still have plywood in humvees for protection against IEDS?
Whoa, Ivy league 4 day engineering school huh, wish you told the US engineers about that quality management course. Would have saved US over 10 billion so far according to the Defense Department
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great..glad to see my tax dollars feeding iraqi babies while babies here in america go hungry..or katrina victims are still living in trailers almost two years after the fact...while the federal govt nickles and dimes them about government aid...maybe you guys missed the whole walter reed thing but i'd hope our govt would first take care of our own before we sent another dime to get embezzled in iraq...
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I agree.
Some how a suicide bomber in a local market full of families and the deaths of US service men seem to garner more attention and thus are deemed more news worthy and or larger issues by the major news networks.
It's much more sinister than that IMO. They refuse to report good news, and focus almost exclusively on bad news, in an attempt to influence public opinion.
If they were truly reporting the news and not involved in some campaign, they would report all of it. Good and bad.
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great..glad to see my tax dollars feeding iraqi babies while babies here in america go hungry..or katrina victims are still living in trailers almost two years after the fact...while the federal govt nickles and dimes them about government aid...maybe you guys missed the whole walter reed thing but i'd hope our govt would first take care of our own before we sent another dime to get embezzled in iraq...
Actually alot of the trailers went un used. A buddy of mine flew out to Arkansas and Louisiana and bought around 20 of them, some 60 cents on the dollar and some 20 cents on the dollar. Mind you this was just a few weeks ago right after that tornado killed all those kids in Alabama in school. And also in Mississippi which left hundredsof American Families homeless.
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WASHINGTON, March 19, 2007 – Army officials this morning launched a new hotline to help wounded warriors and their family members to get information or assistance with medical or other issues.
The “Wounded Soldier and Family Hotline,” 1-800-984-8523, also will help Army leaders improve services to wounded soldiers and their families, officials said.
I guess the liberal media really messed up when it reported on walter reed too....NOW, they HAVE to take care of the wounded and maimed..instead of just ignoring them.
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Actually alot of the trailers went un used. A buddy of mine flew out to Arkansas and Louisiana and bought around 20 of them, some 60 cents on the dollar and some 20 cents on the dollar. Mind you this was just a few weeks ago right after that tornado killed all those kids in Alabama in school. And also in Mississippi which left hundredsof American Families homeless.
boy, did you clean up....i'm wondering how much FEMA paid for those things in the first place.
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WASHINGTON, March 19, 2007 – Army officials this morning launched a new hotline to help wounded warriors and their family members to get information or assistance with medical or other issues.
The “Wounded Soldier and Family Hotline,” 1-800-984-8523, also will help Army leaders improve services to wounded soldiers and their families, officials said.
I guess the liberal media really messed up when it reported on walter reed too....NOW, they HAVE to take care of the wounded and maimed..instead of just ignoring them.
Walter reed and every other army medical facility (like the one I use daily) serve as a prime example why free medical care for everyone isn't as great as it seems
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It's much more sinister than that IMO. They refuse to report good news, and focus almost exclusively on bad news, in an attempt to influence public opinion.
If they were truly reporting the news and not involved in some campaign, they would report all of it. Good and bad.
The nature of news has never been to report "good" things as a matter of practice. If the "bad" things happening in Iraq were in spectrum of normal every day life and that's all they were reporting i believe your assertion would carry itself strongly. But what's going on in Iraq is far and away above the normal run of "bad" things happening such as muggings, theft, murder rape etc...
We are talking about a general instability virtually everywhere where people can't even go to school or a market without fear. We caused this! And after 4 years it doesn't look any better.
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The nature of news has never been to report "good" things as a matter of practice. If the "bad" things happening in Iraq were in spectrum of normal every day life and that's all they were reporting i believe your assertion would carry itself strongly. But what's going on in Iraq is far and away above the normal run of "bad" things happening such as muggings, theft, murder rape etc...
We are talking about a general instability virtually everywhere where people can't even go to school or a market without fear. We caused this! And after 4 years it doesn't look any better.
Did you tell that to the Kurds in the North?
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Did you tell that to the Kurds in the North?
Send me their E-mail addresses all of them and I'll e-mail right now.
Curious, maybe you know this off the top of you head, how many Kurds are currently living in Iraq?
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One very good thing, out of this invasion was the Kurds. They are getting repressed by Saddam any longer.
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Send me their E-mail addresses all of them and I'll e-mail right now.
Curious, maybe you know this off the top of you head, how many Kurds are currently living in Iraq?
I don't know for sure, but I do know that in Northern Iraq things are much better than under Saddam when he was gassing them. I mean calling Baghdad "Iraq" is like saying the state of New York is in dire straits because of the shit happening in NYC...
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I don't know for sure, but I do know that in Northern Iraq things are much better than under Saddam when he was gassing them. I mean calling Baghdad "Iraq" is like saying the state of New York is in dire straits because of the shit happening in NYC...
The violence is just happening in Iraq. If Baghdad was the only problem we'd be in soo much better shape.
But it's not. there are whole towns we can't go into unless we are armed to the teeth right? Or at least squad level or higher?
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The nature of news has never been to report "good" things as a matter of practice. If the "bad" things happening in Iraq were in spectrum of normal every day life and that's all they were reporting i believe your assertion would carry itself strongly. But what's going on in Iraq is far and away above the normal run of "bad" things happening such as muggings, theft, murder rape etc...
We are talking about a general instability virtually everywhere where people can't even go to school or a market without fear. We caused this! And after 4 years it doesn't look any better.
I agree that "bad news" is often the flavor of the day for the media in general. Those are often the headlines. But they always report some good news too. Not so with the war. Yes there are significant problems, but there are also great things happening too. You have to dig to find out those great things.
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The violence is just happening in Iraq. If Baghdad was the only problem we'd be in soo much better shape.
But it's not. there are whole towns we can't go into unless we are armed to the teeth right? Or at least squad level or higher?
I don't want you to think I disagree with you, we are a long ways from having a peaceful Iraq. I just want to watch Katie COuric one time and hear her say "some good news from Iraq today"...Just ONE time
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I don't want you to think I disagree with you, we are a long ways from having a peaceful Iraq. I just want to watch Katie COuric one time and hear her say "some good news from Iraq today"...Just ONE time
I agree with both of you on this.
The point is made, good news isn't being reported.
The point that "They refuse to report good news, and focus almost exclusively on bad news, in an attempt to influence public opinion" I don't believe is true as a deliberate act intentially by the media. It's like your are accusing them of a conspiracy when in fact it's probably more like the nature of the beast
However didn't they (major news media) report some of the positive effects of the troop surge just recently in a good light?
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I agree with both of you on this.
The point is made, good news isn't being reported.
The point that "They refuse to report good news, and focus almost exclusively on bad news, in an attempt to influence public opinion" I don't believe is true as a deliberate act intentially by the media. It's like your are accusing them of a conspiracy when in fact it's probably more like the nature of the beast
However didn't they (major news media) report some of the positive effects of the troop surge just recently in a good light?
I should probably say that I really hate the media in general. In my view, they are always trying to manipulate public opinion and do things like, among other things, play the "race card." The media also has no conscience. This is probably another subject, but it helps explain in part why I am so cynical.
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I should probably say that I really hate the media in general. In my view, they are always trying to manipulate public opinion and do things like, among other things, play the "race card." The media also has no conscience. This is probably another subject, but it helps explain in part why I am so cynical.
Yeah you are kind of cynical.....lol
But i see that from you only in politics.
I guess this is why it's important to get news from as many different sources as possible.
When i comes to the Niner's we are optimists ;D, you gonna draft Ashley if you can as a third receiver or back up?
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RIYADH, Iraq, March 21, 2007 — The Iraqi army soldiers’ flashlights pierce the darkness as they search the Riyadh marketplace for any wires or materials that may indicate the emplacement of an improvised explosive device in the area.
It's 'good news' that they're looking for explosive devices at the market??
DAHUK, Iraq, March 21, 2007 — A class of Iraqi engineers completed a four-day course in construction quality management, enhancing their job skills to achieve a quality product safely, on time and within budget.
A four-day course teaches them how to build a safe building???
COMBAT OUTPOST ELLIS, Iraq, March 21, 2007 — Marines are currently using crime scene investigation techniques to help combat insurgents in ongoing operations in Iraq.
"Hey guys, come see what I learned on CSI last night."
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Yeah you are kind of cynical.....lol
But i see that from you only in politics.
I guess this is why it's important to get news from as many different sources as possible.
When i comes to the Niner's we are optimists ;D, you gonna draft Ashley if you can as a third receiver or back up?
Are you trying to say that was an understatement? :D
All we talk about is politics on this board. For the most part. I'll be happy to give my views on the media and race and the nonexistent "media conscience" in another thread. :)
I am with you on the Niners. We'll be back! It's way early, but as of now I see Lelie as a low WR2 or WR3. What about you? I almost always draft WRs late, so he could very well end up on my team. I'm very excited for him. I saw pretty much all of his college games. Great addition for the Niners.
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Are you trying to say that was an understatement? :D
All we talk about is politics on this board. For the most part. I'll be happy to give my views on the media and race and the nonexistent "media conscience" in another thread. :)
I am with you on the Niners. We'll be back! It's way early, but as of now I see Lelie as a low WR2 or WR3. What about you? I almost always draft WRs late, so he could very well end up on my team. I'm very excited for him. I saw pretty much all of his college games. Great addition for the Niners.
I didn't know we had some fellow fantasy footballers in here. We might have to have a political board leauge next year! Any baseball guys in here?
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Look what I found. :) http://goodnewsiraq.com/index2.htm
Brace yourselves. There is actually good news from Iraq. Who knew? (Obviously not CNN).
Among the things reported on this site:
Iraqi Soldiers Take Lead on Riyadh Mission
RIYADH, Iraq, March 21, 2007 — The Iraqi army soldiers’ flashlights pierce the darkness as they search the Riyadh marketplace for any wires or materials that may indicate the emplacement of an improvised explosive device in the area. Story
Engineers Help Iraqis Hone Construction Skills
DAHUK, Iraq, March 21, 2007 — A class of Iraqi engineers completed a four-day course in construction quality management, enhancing their job skills to achieve a quality product safely, on time and within budget. Story
Investigative Techniques Counter Terrorists
COMBAT OUTPOST ELLIS, Iraq, March 21, 2007 — Marines are currently using crime scene investigation techniques to help combat insurgents in ongoing operations in Iraq. Story
Sailors Help Feed Babies at Djibouti Orphanage
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Good news? 3,100 GI's dead.......50,000 seriously wounded.
All for nothing, based on...........PROVEN LIES from "Bloodbath Bush"
If YOU have not fought in Baghdad, SHUT THE FVCK UP!!! Good news my ass.
Hope this helps.
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Are you trying to say that was an understatement? :D
All we talk about is politics on this board. For the most part. I'll be happy to give my views on the media and race and the nonexistent "media conscience" in another thread. :)
I am with you on the Niners. We'll be back! It's way early, but as of now I see Lelie as a low WR2 or WR3. What about you? I almost always draft WRs late, so he could very well end up on my team. I'm very excited for him. I saw pretty much all of his college games. Great addition for the Niners.
nah not really. I wasn't trying to say anything, just laughing to myself because it described some of your responses well.
I saw one game he played in, i loved it, can't remember who they were playing against, Chang was QB. Love the tail gating at Aloha Stadium the family atmosphere was great! Real sad my parents left Hawaii! But my Pops is a volunteer at the Wright Patterson Air Museum now, so i have that to look forward to when i visit in July. ;D
Yes, i've been drafting my receivers late the last few years also.
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Good news? 3,100 GI's dead.......50,000 seriously wounded.
All for nothing, based on...........PROVEN LIES from "Bloodbath Bush"
If YOU have not fought in Baghdad, SHUT THE FVCK UP!!! Good news my ass.
Hope this helps.
Well I have been there...and what proven LIES????
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I didn't know we had some fellow fantasy footballers in here. We might have to have a political board leauge next year! Any baseball guys in here?
I'm 100% for it! I love Fantasy Football. I'm game for whatever league we get started. Any amount within reason will due fine :)
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nah not really. I wasn't trying to say anything, just laughing to myself because it described some of your responses well.
I saw one game he played in, i loved it, can't remember who they were playing against, Chang was QB. Love the tail gating at Aloha Stadium the family atmosphere was great! Real sad my parents left Hawaii! But my Pops is a volunteer at the Wright Patterson Air Museum now, so i have that to look forward to when i visit in July. ;D
I'm renewing my season tickets this week.
Send me a PM when you come in July and I'll take you to lunch.
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I'm renewing my season tickets this week.
Send me a PM when you come in July and I'll take you to lunch.
sorry i'll be going to Ohio in July :(, i will possibly go to Hawaii to do a seminar sometime in the next 12 to 18 months. I will send you a PM then.
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Well I have been there...and what proven LIES????
Your fvcking kidding right?
Lies about WMD's
Lies about the connection between Saddam and Bin Laden and 9-11.
BloodBath Bush lied about EVERYTHING related to getting into the war and it's all been PROVEN.
Wake the FVCK UP!!!
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Well I have been there...and what proven LIES????
One more thing jackass.......Rumsfeld resigned BECAUSE of the lies.
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It's much more sinister than that IMO. They refuse to report good news, and focus almost exclusively on bad news, in an attempt to influence public opinion.
If they were truly reporting the news and not involved in some campaign, they would report all of it. Good and bad.
So, when I say the media has their own agenda in not reporting the oddities of 9/11, you say that's nonsense.
But now YOU say they selectively report news based upon their own agenda.
Just like polls, Beach Bum will only believe a statement when it benefits his cause. owned again.
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sorry i'll be going to Ohio in July :(, i will possibly go to Hawaii to do a seminar sometime in the next 12 to 18 months. I will send you a PM then.
Ohio? Sucks for you. :)
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So, when I say the media has their own agenda in not reporting the oddities of 9/11, you say that's nonsense.
But now YOU say they selectively report news based upon their own agenda.
Just like polls, Beach Bum will only believe a statement when it benefits his cause. owned again.
Oh please. ::) You say the CIA controls the media and that this is the reason the media doesn't report the crackpot 911 conspiracy (unless they are reporting a favorable 911 conspiracy poll). That precludes us from having a rational discussion about the media.
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let's compare:
Engineers Help Iraqis Hone Construction Skills
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Suicide Bomber kills 150 people and wounds 400 at market.
Now, which event will sell more papers?
Also, which event matters? you have 550 people (and their families effects) either dead or maimed. Or, you have 8 guys who learned to weld better (who just might use these skills to construct better IEDs, if you admit we can't tell the good guys from the bad guys).
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Oh please. ::) You say the CIA controls the media and that this is the reason the media doesn't report the crackpot 911 conspiracy (unless they are reporting a favorable 911 conspiracy poll). That precludes us from having a rational discussion about the media.
LOL... You just made it clear the media reports based upon their OWN agenda (bad news/liberal slant), not fairly based upon the actual events.
You just proved my point. Thanks again.
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It's much more sinister than that IMO. They refuse to report good news, and focus almost exclusively on bad news, in an attempt to influence public opinion.
If they were truly reporting the news and not involved in some campaign, they would report all of it. Good and bad.
I totally agree with this. Sensational news sells. Good news makes people change the channel.
Why didn't the white house press secretary get this in the news? Usually a news conference with the press or visiting the political talk shows would have spread the word about the positive side.
It wouldv'e also given the powers in charge a stronger position on the war in Iraq.
Sandra
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let's compare:
Engineers Help Iraqis Hone Construction Skills
vs.
Suicide Bomber kills 150 people and wounds 400 at market.
Now, which event will sell more papers?
Also, which event matters? you have 550 people (and their families effects) either dead or maimed. Or, you have 8 guys who learned to weld better (who just might use these skills to construct better IEDs, if you admit we can't tell the good guys from the bad guys).
teach a man to fish and feed him for life...
Kill him and never have to feed him again.
It's the nature of news.................... .. news always focuses on BAD stuff. But in this case they are reporting significant BAD stuff.
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Walter reed and every other army medical facility (like the one I use daily) serve as a prime example why free medical care for everyone isn't as great as it seems
Free medical care is better than none. Does the military pay it's personnel enough to get medical attention from private facilities?
I always thought free medical for life was an incentive to join the military.
Sandra
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Today in America, 1.8 million children learned to read. Yet the newspaper is all about terrible things. I don't understand it.
Heck, why did they report on Walter Reed's problems - when there are 20,000 hospitals doing so well!?
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Today in America, 1.8 million children learned to read. Yet the newspaper is all about terrible things. I don't understand it.
Heck, why did they report on Walter Reed's problems - when there are 20,000 hospitals doing so well!?
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dam media. If they hadn't fucused on the negative stuff no one would have had to know about Walter Reed!
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let's compare:
Engineers Help Iraqis Hone Construction Skills
vs.
Suicide Bomber kills 150 people and wounds 400 at market.
Now, which event will sell more papers?
Also, which event matters? you have 550 people (and their families effects) either dead or maimed. Or, you have 8 guys who learned to weld better (who just might use these skills to construct better IEDs, if you admit we can't tell the good guys from the bad guys).
BS....rebuilding is NOT occuring. Construction workers are too afraid to stay on a job long enough to complete it.
That is what I witnessed.
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Free medical care is better than none. Does the military pay it's personnel enough to get medical attention from private facilities?
I always thought free medical for life was an incentive to join the military.
Sandra
I never said it didn't help, and in the Air Force the medical facilities are top notch. The Army however....
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Free medical care is better than none. Does the military pay it's personnel enough to get medical attention from private facilities?
I always thought free medical for life was an incentive to join the military.
Sandra
Have you been to a VA hospital?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070321/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/veterans_care (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070321/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/veterans_care)
Today's news
I like the part where they said "putting a band aids on problems" You go for a infection they give you a lollipop and tell you it's all better, doctors take orders also.
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I never said it didn't help, and in the Air Force the medical facilities are top notch. The Army however....
From my experience, I can say THE VAST MAJORITY of VA hospitals provide "marginal" medical care. A close friend of mine (Dr) is assigned to post traumatic stress patients......as an internist, he says "what the hell do I know about PTSD"?
Many Docs have the keys to their cars in hand......an hour before their shift is over.
I kid you not.
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Some VA hospitals are nice Dallas ,Tx which I have been to is pretty nice.
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From my experience, I can say THE VAST MAJORITY of VA hospitals provide "marginal" medical care. A close friend of mine (Dr) is assigned to post traumatic stress patients......as an internist, he says "what the hell do I know about PTSD"?
Many Docs have the keys to their cars in hand......an hour before their shift is over.
I kid you not.
I bet you are Army aren't you...calm down, not knocking it......I am AF staioned at an Army post. The medical care is 180 degrees different
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I bet you are Army aren't you...calm down, not knocking it......I am AF staioned at an Army post. The medical care is 180 degrees different
Your Air Force? Ha Ha Ha No wonder your talking sh*t about how great things are in Iraq. YOU have no idea what's happening on the ground in Iraq. Zero credibility.
Air Force is the place to be.................if you desire avoiding the war, while still being in the Military.
MM69 should be ignored.
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Your Air Force? Ha Ha Ha No wonder your talking sh*t about how great things are in Iraq. YOU have no idea what's happening on the ground in Iraq. Zero credibility.
Air Force is the place to be.................if you desire avoiding the war, while still being in the Military.
MM69 should be ignored.
Well I am glad you made assumptions on what I did in Iraq.....I mean you are right, I didn't do any convoy security....didn't rebuild roads outside the wire......you know what happens when you assume...
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Well I am glad you made assumptions on what I did in Iraq.....I mean you are right, I didn't do any convoy security....didn't rebuild roads outside the wire......you know what happens when you assume...
Air Force...........go away. No one wants to listen to your garbage.
Get a job with Faux News..........they could use a few more NON-COMBAT mouth pieces to spew Bloodbath's talking points.
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Some VA hospitals are nice Dallas ,Tx which I have been to is pretty nice.
army care from reception to active duty is this...ah, rub some dirt on it...it'll get better...you learn from day one not to get hurt and if you do you take what you get and like it...
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Doc, U gotta lay off the AF guy. MM spouts the hard line view of the war but he did his part. I had AF guys working for me in Afghanistan..they all did a great job...saw plenty of action etc. Don't give the libs ammo...
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Doc, U gotta lay off the AF guy. MM spouts the hard line view of the war but he did his part. I had AF guys working for me in Afghanistan..they all did a great job...saw plenty of action etc. Don't give the libs ammo...
Oh Puleaze! So just because you've worked with AF guys who did a good job is reason for Enigma to give an idiot a pass?
I've worked with plenty of Americans who are intelligent and do a good job.
that doesn't mean Bush is any less incompetent.
ps - Are you eating prozac by the handful yet?
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Doc, U gotta lay off the AF guy. MM spouts the hard line view of the war but he did his part. I had AF guys working for me in Afghanistan..they all did a great job...saw plenty of action etc. Don't give the libs ammo...
headhunter, we've always battled and all, but what is your stance on waterboarding?
And why is waterboarding so bad????
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I was talking to one of my good friends who just hit the ground from Iraq on Thursday for R & R. He pretty much has the same opinion as Enigma about Bush and the war. :-\
That said, we talked a little about oil and I decided to search for some information about this "pipeline." In doing so, I came across this story from July 2006. It talks about what we've constructed overall since the invasion. Stuff I don't believe I've ever seen on the front page of CNN.
10 July 2006
United States Helping Rebuild Iraq Despite Terrorists' Efforts
U.S. general provides progress update on restoring key Iraqi infrastructure
By David McKeeby
Washington File Staff Writer
A newly constructed school in Dohuk, Iraq, will serve approximately 840 students and 36 teachers. The project was funded by the Iraqi Relief and Reconstruction Fund and built by a local Iraqi construction company. (U.S. Army Corps of Engineers)
A newly constructed school in Dohuk, Iraq, will serve approximately 840 students and 36 teachers. (U.S. Army Corps of Engineers)Washington – Coalition forces are working closely with Iraqi authorities to rebuild the country’s schools, energy infrastructure and water and sanitation systems.
Before Saddam Hussein came to power in Iraq, the nation “was the second-most prosperous country in this region. But during his tyrannical regime, the nation fell to one of the poorest in the region,” said U.S. Army Major General William McCoy at a July 10 press briefing in Baghdad, Iraq.
McCoy, commander the Gulf Regional Division of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which has played a major role in efforts led by the U.S. State Department to revitalize Iraq, attributed the sharp decline in living standards to the lack of attention given to proper maintenance and operations standards for Iraq’s key facilities.
The extent of this neglect and its effect on the Iraqi people was not appreciated fully by the international community until the dictator was ousted. The World Bank estimated in 2002 that reconstruction of Iraqi infrastructure would cost approximately $60 billion, but McCoy said the a more accurate long-term estimate – following 30 years of minimal upgrades and deterioration -- is closer to between $80 billion and $100 billion.
Increasingly, he said, the world is recognizing “what a devastating effect Saddam Hussein had on the lives of the people here.”
To date, the United States has provided more than $21 billion toward Iraq’s reconstruction, said McCoy. More than 2,700 projects already have been completed and an additional 3,400 are under way.
The key to success is sustained investment to repair Iraq’s long-neglected infrastructure, McCoy said. The U.S. military is working ever more closely at national and local levels “to ensure that the people of Iraq have what they need,” he added.
RECONSTRUCTION SUCCESS STORIES
“Everything imaginable has been undertaken in every sector,” said McCoy, including the construction of new power plants and transmission systems, water treatment and sewage systems, schools, police and fire stations and medical clinics.
Specifically, McCoy reported that coalition forces have:
• Completed refurbishment of many of the 3,000 schools across the country slated for repair by the United States;
• Installed the Advanced First Responder Network, a high-tech data and voice communications system linking police, fire and emergency services across 14 provinces;
Residents of Airport Village and media members observe the village's new water tower. (U.S. Army)• Initiated a series of major capital projects to build new water purification and distribution systems, including a plant scheduled to open in Erbil in August that will provide drinking water for 300,000 area residents; and
• Worked with the Iraqi Ministry of Electricity to complete 150 separate projects to improve consumer power deliveries.
REVITALIZING IRAQ’S ENERGY SECTOR
Equally important to Iraq’s future, the Army Corps of Engineers has helped upgrade oil production and transportation networks to facilitate long-term economic prosperity for the new Iraq, McCoy said
As a result of a $1.7 billion U.S. investment, Iraq now is producing 2.5 million barrels of oil per day and is on track to increase production to 3 million barrels per day by the end of the year, he reported. In addition, the Corps is helping the Iraqis rehabilitate 20 neglected gas oil separation plants, which will be able to capture an additional 3,000 tons per day of natural gas that currently is being lost in the production process.
In addition, the United States recently completed a two-year project to build a new underground pipeline for Iraq’s North Oil Company. The pipeline runs beneath the Tigris River and allows oil to flow north for easy export from Kirkuk, Iraq, or southward for refining.
McCoy said that the country’s three successful elections send a message that “Iraq is moving towards its own form of democracy and self-reliance.” With security improving as the government’s institutions mature, he said “The facilities that we are building with the Iraqis today are but the beginning of the great future this country has.”
REPORT REITERATES NEED FOR SUSTAINED INVESTMENT
In a July 6 report to Congress, the State Department said refurbishing long-neglected systems and building new ones will provide the new government a firm base for future economic growth.
The report states that 2,000 megawatts of electricity now are flowing through Iraq’s electrical grid, 3.7 million Iraqis now enjoy better access to clean water and 5.1 million Iraqis have access to upgraded sewer systems. The report also states that all large-scale infrastructure projects are scheduled for completion by the end of 2006.
“It has cost the United States billions [of dollars], and it will cost Iraq tens of billions before it is over. But it is yielding tangible results every day, and every day, as projects are completed, the lives of individual Iraqis are slowly improving,” McCoy said.
A transcript of McCoy’s briefing is available on the Multi-National Force – Iraq Web site.
The full text of the State Department’s report to Congress is available on the department’s Web site.
For more information, see Iraq Update.
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=July&x=20060710175612idybeekcm0.3198053
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So that article states that they are helping Iraq in the "oil sectors" to produce more oil output, we knew that. What about this pipeline search? What did he say on that?
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So that article states that they are helping Iraq in the "oil sectors" to produce more oil output, we knew that. What about this pipeline search? What did he say on that?
It says a lot more than that.
"Specifically, McCoy reported that coalition forces have:
• Completed refurbishment of many of the 3,000 schools across the country slated for repair by the United States . . . ."
My friend's view is that Bush is evil, we cannot afford to leave, and we are in fact going to profit from their oil.
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It says a lot more than that.
"Specifically, McCoy reported that coalition forces have:
• Completed refurbishment of many of the 3,000 schools across the country slated for repair by the United States . . . ."
My friend's view is that Bush is evil, we cannot afford to leave, and we are in fact going to profit from their oil.
I kind of agree with your friend... I would rather fix 3000 schools in this country myself.
That's just me though.
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I kind of agree with your friend... I would rather fix 3000 schools in this country myself.
That's just me though.
Yeah. I believe we need to try and stabilize the area and get out. He also said there is total chaos in Bagdad. :-\
But he has been gone for a very long time. He has a beautiful wife and two adorable little kids. I think that is partly why he is so jaded.
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Yeah. I believe we need to try and stabilize the area and get out. He also said there is total chaos in Bagdad. :-\
But he has been gone for a very long time. He has a beautiful wife and two adorable little kids. I think that is partly why he is so jaded.
Can't say I blame him... If I was gone from my family that long I'd be jaded too..
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United States Helping Rebuild Iraq Despite Terrorists' Efforts
U.S. general provides progress update on restoring key Iraqi infrastructure
We cannot rebuild Iraq unless and until the people of Iraq turn against the terrorists en masse.
As long as they are silent and continue to protect their Muslim 'brothers' who would do them harm, the U.S. cannot and will not succeed in Iraq.
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We cannot rebuild Iraq unless and until the people of Iraq turn against the terrorists en masse.
As long as they are silent and continue to protect their Muslim 'brothers' who would do them harm, the U.S. cannot and will not succeed in Iraq.
No kidding.
Imagine Americans letting 2000 idiots run around with rifles and kill hundreds a day. I tell you what, i'd be guarding the road in front of my house, and the moment some prick started planting IEDs, i'd be plugging him myself. So would most other Americans, i think, because we have national pride and we don't want that bullshit here.
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These people do not share or want our values. In fact they despise them. Give them Democracy and in time they will install a Islamic theocracy. It makes them feel secure. The US military is good at destroying stuff from a distance, but we are never going to occupy this dirt. Not happening, just a sad waste of life. Oh well, lots of profit being made by the well connected. I cant imagine anyone still willing to die for that at this point.
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Yeah. I believe we need to try and stabilize the area and get out. He also said there is total chaos in Bagdad. :-\
But he has been gone for a very long time. He has a beautiful wife and two adorable little kids. I think that is partly why he is so jaded.
Even if our military was able to stabilize Iraq's cival war for a time, the second we pull out.........ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
In the end, a country like Iraq NEEDS a leader like Saddam in order to stop the sectarian violence.........period. Sad but true.
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Doc, U gotta lay off the AF guy. MM spouts the hard line view of the war but he did his part. I had AF guys working for me in Afghanistan..they all did a great job...saw plenty of action etc. Don't give the libs ammo...
Are you saying I didn't do my part? Besides.....I hold no malice towards MM.
We are all entitled to our opinion........except Rush Limbaugh (drug addict) and Bill O'Reilly (Mr. sexual harrassment)
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Even if our military was able to stabilize Iraq's cival war for a time, the second we pull out.........ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
In the end, a country like Iraq NEEDS a leader like Saddam in order to stop the sectarian violence.........period. Sad but true.
These people do not share or want our values. In fact they despise them. Give them Democracy and in time they will install a Islamic theocracy. It makes them feel secure. The US military is good at destroying stuff from a distance, but we are never going to occupy this dirt. Not happening, just a sad waste of life. Oh well, lots of profit being made by the well connected. I cant imagine anyone still willing to die for that at this point.
The tribal culture ideology over there is so complicated, few westerners understand it. A few years of occupation won't change thousands of years of blood feuds and bee hive family/community associations. It permeates everything. If the US pulls out any time soon hell would break loose... and eventually the religious wacks take over.
Just look at how impossible it is for immigrants... those who actually WANT to live in the west... to assimilate into European countries.
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In the end, a country like Iraq NEEDS a leader like Saddam in order to stop the sectarian violence.........period. Sad but true.
I was talking to a Syrian last week who said EXACTLY The Above! I figure hes got a lot better handle on the reality of the situation than any westerners.
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I was talking to a Syrian last week who said EXACTLY The Above! I figure hes got a lot better handle on the reality of the situation than any westerners.
I've been saying that for years... too bad no one on this side of the planet wanted to hear it.
*sigh*
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The tribal culture ideology over there is so complicated, few westerners understand it. A few years of occupation won't change thousands of years of blood feuds and bee hive family/community associations. It permeates everything. If the US pulls out any time soon hell would break loose... and eventually the religious wacks take over.
Take a trip to an Arab country. Even in the more progressive areas, you've still got those packs of men with the red-and-white checkerboard headrags patrolling on foot and by car looking for violations of their little religious laws.
Now, the worst I ever saw in Dubai was them harrassing women for not having their veils or them making newsstand owners black out (with magic marker) all the T&A shots in the mags, but still, that's bullshit! But if that's what's happening in the UAE and Kuwait in plain site of Westerners, then I absolutely believe the stories of women from other countries claiming to have been raped and beaten by these 'religious' thugs.
In other words, the only thing these people understand is the butt of a rifle over the head. If we want to change their society, we'll have to do it by force...and I don't think anyone wants to conceptualize the amount of bloodshed that would require over the next 100 years.
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I think the truth is THEY will take US over by outbreeding Westerners, and using our own democratic systems against us. They are just beginning to understand this is even more effective, and cheaper than than terrorism.
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Afghan Government, Coalition Aid Flood Victims
Rain and melting snow caused rivers and creeks to rise, stranding
more than 200 Afghans.
Combined Press Information Center
Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan
JALALABAD AIRFIELD, Afghanistan, April 3, 2007 — The Laghman provincial government, Afghan National Security Forces and Coalition partners provided vital humanitarian assistance to flood victims in northeastern Afghanistan, March 31-April 1.
The relief efforts came in the wake of severe flooding to the south of the provincial capital of Mehtar Lam. The flooding, which filled some areas with waist-high water, stranded around 200 Afghan civilians and left many without food, dry clothing or shelter.
"My soldiers felt very good about the opportunity to deliver food, blankets and clothing in such a time of need.”
Army Lt. Col. Steven Gilbert,
the commander of Task Force Iron Gray.
Gov. Gulab Mangal of Laghman and Afghan National Security Forces spearheaded efforts to house villagers displaced by the flooding. Afghanistan International Transportation helicopters rescued around 150 stranded citizens.
Connecticut National Guardsmen from Task Force Iron Gray and members of the Mehtar Lam Provincial Reconstruction Team, meanwhile, assisted Mangal and ANSF in the relief efforts.
Islamic Republic of Afghanistan government and Coalition forces delivered food items including prepared meals, rice, beans and water. They distributed clothing articles such as jackets, gloves, sweaters, socks and gloves as well as tarps and blankets to the Qhargahe District Center for distribution through the Red Crescent.
Rain and melting snow in eastern Afghanistan has caused rivers and creeks to rise above normal levels prompting the flooding. The allied effort brought lifesaving relief to dozens of Afghan families imperiled by the flooding. Coalition leaders praised the decisive efforts of Afghan government leaders during the crisis.
“Governor Mangal did an excellent job of coordinating all of the rescue and relief operations,” said Army Lt. Col. Steven Gilbert, the commander of Task Force Iron Gray. “He demonstrated how effective the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is with taking care of its people.”
“As Coalition forces are here to help the people of Afghanistan we did everything in our power to render assistance when Governor Mangal called,” Gilbert added. “I am very pleased with evacuating the flood victims and to arrange for the helicopters to assist in the rescue of so many citizens of Laghman. My soldiers felt very good about the opportunity to deliver food, blankets and clothing in such a time of need.”
http://goodnewsiraq.com/index2.htm
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5 years of fighting a war there, and we chip in some blankets to those of the nation we have crippled witth war.
Good on ya, mate!
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Someone is undoubtedly furiously trying to discredit the web site. :) This certainly helps prove the point we've been trying to make about CNN (and other outlets) failing to report good news from Iraq.
could not agree more
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Afghan Government, Coalition Aid Flood Victims
Rain and melting snow caused rivers and creeks to rise, stranding
more than 200 Afghans.
Combined Press Information Center
Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan
JALALABAD AIRFIELD, Afghanistan, April 3, 2007 — The Laghman provincial government, Afghan National Security Forces and Coalition partners provided vital humanitarian assistance to flood victims in northeastern Afghanistan, March 31-April 1.
The relief efforts came in the wake of severe flooding to the south of the provincial capital of Mehtar Lam. The flooding, which filled some areas with waist-high water, stranded around 200 Afghan civilians and left many without food, dry clothing or shelter.
"My soldiers felt very good about the opportunity to deliver food, blankets and clothing in such a time of need.”
Army Lt. Col. Steven Gilbert,
the commander of Task Force Iron Gray.
Gov. Gulab Mangal of Laghman and Afghan National Security Forces spearheaded efforts to house villagers displaced by the flooding. Afghanistan International Transportation helicopters rescued around 150 stranded citizens.
Connecticut National Guardsmen from Task Force Iron Gray and members of the Mehtar Lam Provincial Reconstruction Team, meanwhile, assisted Mangal and ANSF in the relief efforts.
Islamic Republic of Afghanistan government and Coalition forces delivered food items including prepared meals, rice, beans and water. They distributed clothing articles such as jackets, gloves, sweaters, socks and gloves as well as tarps and blankets to the Qhargahe District Center for distribution through the Red Crescent.
Rain and melting snow in eastern Afghanistan has caused rivers and creeks to rise above normal levels prompting the flooding. The allied effort brought lifesaving relief to dozens of Afghan families imperiled by the flooding. Coalition leaders praised the decisive efforts of Afghan government leaders during the crisis.
“Governor Mangal did an excellent job of coordinating all of the rescue and relief operations,” said Army Lt. Col. Steven Gilbert, the commander of Task Force Iron Gray. “He demonstrated how effective the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is with taking care of its people.”
“As Coalition forces are here to help the people of Afghanistan we did everything in our power to render assistance when Governor Mangal called,” Gilbert added. “I am very pleased with evacuating the flood victims and to arrange for the helicopters to assist in the rescue of so many citizens of Laghman. My soldiers felt very good about the opportunity to deliver food, blankets and clothing in such a time of need.”
http://goodnewsiraq.com/index2.htm
That is a nice story. But what is more newsworthy? 15 headless bodies found in an abandoned Iraqi military base or the blanket story? Which headline sells more papers? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article422411.ece
If you had relatives serving in Iraq, would you want to hear about the state of violence in the area or that gloves and socks were handed out?
The humanitarian effort on our part is expected. It's fluff news. The numerous killings and other horrors are hard news stories that people pay attention to.
Frankly, I don't get up in the morning thinking, "I wonder what good things are going on...in Iraq?", rather I think, "I sure as hell hope the area isn't destabilized to the point of region-wide war".
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That is a nice story. But what is more newsworthy? 15 headless bodies found in an abandoned Iraqi military base or the blanket story? Which headline sells more papers? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article422411.ece
If you had relatives serving in Iraq, would you want to hear about the state of violence in the area or that gloves and socks were handed out?
The humanitarian effort on our part is expected. It's fluff news. The numerous killings and other horrors are hard news stories that people pay attention to.
Frankly, I don't get up in the morning thinking, "I wonder what good things are going on...in Iraq?", rather I think, "I sure as hell hope the area isn't destabilized to the point of region-wide war".
I want to hear all of it, good and bad. I have lots of friends in the military, including my closest friend who is in Iraq, along with his son. I want their family members to hear about good news too.
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I want to hear all of it, good and bad. I have lots of friends in the military, including my closest friend who is in Iraq, along with his son. I want their family members to hear about good news too.
My point is, is that this is the free market at work in news. Like it or not, newspapers/centers have one responsibility--the bottom line. They publish what sells. Headless bodies sell...moreso than our expected level of humanitarian aid.
These stories are the fruits of our deregulated free market laissez faire capitalist system applied to the news game.
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My point is, is that this is the free market at work in news. Like it or not, newspapers/centers have one responsibility--the bottom line. They publish what sells. Headless bodies sell...moreso than our expected level of humanitarian aid.
These stories are the fruits of our deregulated free market laissez faire capitalist system applied to the news game.
Your point is consistent with the point I've tried to make on this board (and elsewhere): the media cherry picks news about the war and deliberately ignores good news to try and influence public opinion. Is some of that related to the fact that bad news sells? Yes. That's why a disproportionate amount of the news in general is "bad."
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Your point is consistent with the point I've tried to make on this board (and elsewhere): the media cherry picks news about the war and deliberately ignores good news to try and influence public opinion. Is some of that related to the fact that bad news sells? Yes. That's why a disproportionate amount of the news in general is "bad."
I'm curious, do you have anything you can show us to back up that assertion that hey are deliberately trying to influence public opinion or is it just a conclusion of yours?
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Your point is consistent with the point I've tried to make on this board (and elsewhere): the media cherry picks news about the war and deliberately ignores good news to try and influence public opinion. Is some of that related to the fact that bad news sells? Yes. That's why a disproportionate amount of the news in general is "bad."
I agree with your point entirely except for the ulterior motive part. It is not a liberal plot designed to undermine the war on terror. Just like network TV and movies are not liberal ploys for conditioning the american mind to 'liberalism', it's a matter of what sells and what does not sell.
Juicy stories sell. Kittens and gloves do not. If the converse were true, we'd be up to our asses in stories about Akhbar opening a Subway in downtown Baghdad or the like.
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I'm curious, do you have anything you can show us to back up that assertion that hey are deliberately trying to influence public opinion or is it just a conclusion of yours?
You mean starting this thread wasn't good enough? http://goodnewsiraq.com/index2.htm You will not see these stories on CNN.com.
You read the news just like I do. These stories don't get covered in the mainstream media.
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I agree with your point entirely except for the ulterior motive part. It is not a liberal plot designed to undermine the war on terror. Just like network TV and movies are not liberal ploys for conditioning the american mind to 'liberalism', it's a matter of what sells and what does not sell.
Juicy stories sell. Kittens and gloves do not. If the converse were true, we'd be up to our asses in stories about Akhbar opening a Subway in downtown Baghdad or the like.
I don't think it's a liberal plot designed to undermine the war on terror. I think we have a lot of people in the media like that Michael Ware guy from CNN "reporting" the news.
The movies are another issue entirely. I'll save my rant on Hollywood for another thread. :)
But yes, juicy stories sell. Bad news sells. Murder beats kittens almost every time. :-\
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Is it worth dying over or a life long injury? Not to me. This war is a dead end. I cant believe anyone can have a commitment or care about blankets. This is about world oil supply security not humanitarian drama.
If your going to give your life away do it for something worthwhile. I just dont see the point.
Lets be real about what this is for and put it in perspective. Blankets?
Drill rigs, pumps, pipelines, barrels per Hr/ Day, $$z, ....is more accurate.
Im not trying to be crass, but dont sacrifice yourself for big corprate profits w/ out knowing it.
All the patriotic drivel does not change the balance sheets of Exon, Conoco, Nat Oilwell Varco, Neighbors of Arabia...
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You mean starting this thread wasn't good enough? http://goodnewsiraq.com/index2.htm You will not see these stories on CNN.com.
You read the news just like I do. These stories don't get covered in the mainstream media.
So the fact that these stories don't get reported "Proves" your assertion?
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So the fact that these stories don't get reported "Proves" your assertion?
"Supports" my opinion.
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"Supports" my opinion.
that's the difference in some of these debates with 9/11. You aren't labeling your opinion as fact or air tight conclusions.
The argument method or pattern i see with these 9/11 CT'ers is that they would say that because CNN doesn't report good news from Iraq that it PROVES there is a bias where you say it supports your opinion.
Personally, i think it's just all about viewers and advertising revenue.
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cnn did a piece on iraqi women getting educations because so many of them are widows.
the piece was boring.
just a bunch of older women reading and complaining.
i guess its good news, but i am sure their ratings took a dump. you have to start from the point: is CNN (and other media) a business first, or a responsible ethical reporting machine, first?
If they're a business, then they cover what people will keep on the TV.
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cnn did a piece on iraqi women getting educations because so many of them are widows.
the piece was boring.
just a bunch of older women reading and complaining.
i guess its good news, but i am sure their ratings took a dump. you have to start from the point: is CNN (and other media) a business first, or a responsible ethical reporting machine, first?
If they're a business, then they cover what people will keep on the TV.
I wonder, does FOX report bad news?
Another thing to consider, there isn't any significant good news coming out of Iraq that out weighs "5 US soldiers dying from a IED" or "100 die in local market from suicide bomber."
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FOX reports on the bravery of our men and women, in the face of enemy insurgents and dems (altho powerless for the last 6 years), they blame for the last 5 years of failures.
It's rubbish. I used to be like that and watch FOX 4-5 hours a day as I worked. I remember my mindset - I blanked out the other side and believed in Bush - the man and the instution. That figurehead persona really made me ignore evidence and even common sense. Sad.
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that's the difference in some of these debates with 9/11. You aren't labeling your opinion as fact or air tight conclusions.
The argument method or pattern i see with these 9/11 CT'ers is that they would say that because CNN doesn't report good news from Iraq that it PROVES there is a bias where you say it supports your opinion.
Personally, i think it's just all about viewers and advertising revenue.
Right. Just my opinion. I'm not in the newsrooms taking part in programming discussions. I'm making assumptions. That conspiracy crap is just plain stupid. My daughter and I were just talking about it last night. One of her classmates believes in this stuff. He's a little nuts. He believes the passengers of flights 77 and 93 are still alive. :-\
I think a large part of what the news covers is based on revenue and what they think people want to hear. Re the war, they know there is significant opposition to the war, which I think explains in part why they refuse to report the good with the bad. Of course they have to tell us when someone gets blown up, but that's only part of the story.
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That conspiracy crap is just plain stupid. My daughter and I were just talking about it last night. One of her classmates believes in this stuff. He's a little nuts. He believes the passengers of flights 77 and 93 are still alive. :-\
Your daughter's classmate probably wonders why the Pentagon has 85 videotapes showing the flight 77 crash and won't release one.
Why?
Because *something* exploded at 9:32 AM, stopping dozens of clocks in the building, a full 5 minutes before that plane arrived.
I would ask you to tell us why all those clocks stopped, 5 minutes before the plane hit, but i already know you can't answer that ;)
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Your daughter's classmate probably wonders why the Pentagon has 85 videotapes showing the flight 77 crash and won't release one.
Why?
Because *something* exploded at 9:32 AM, stopping dozens of clocks in the building, a full 5 minutes before that plane arrived.
I would ask you to tell us why all those clocks stopped, 5 minutes before the plane hit, but i already know you can't answer that ;)
::) It's a stupid theory. Take it to another thread. ::)
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::) It's a stupid theory. Take it to another thread. ::)
You brought it up.
I just stated facts, not theories. I can show you the clocks, if you want. They're an interesting piece of the puzzle... what else would stop them, 5 minutes before a plane hit?
Weird that you can call it stupid, but can't answer my question ;)
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You brought it up.
Ozmo brought it up. ::) But you conclusively established today that you have a reading comprehension problem.
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Ozmo brought it up. ::) But you conclusively established today that you have a reading comprehension problem.
you brought up flight 77.
i figured if you're going to call the CTers stupid, you might as well know what you're calling stupid.
Owning of the century comes when you learn the truth about 911. You're gonna feel like the world's biggest douche.
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you brought up flight 77.
i figured if you're going to call the CTers stupid, you might as well know what you're calling stupid.
Owning of the century comes when you learn the truth about 911. You're gonna feel like the world's biggest douche.
THe "Truth"? OK, fill me in, or point me to a consice summary of this plot. I really don't buy anything other than what I saw w/ my own 2 eyes, but I'll hear you out 240. What the hell's the conspiracy story?
At this point I'm not so trusting of any of Bush's motives.
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THe "Truth"? OK, fill me in, or point me to a consice summary of this plot. I really don't buy anything other than what I saw w/ my own 2 eyes, but I'll hear you out 240. What the hell's the conspiracy story?
At this point I'm not so trusting of any of Bush's motives.
The theory is that Bush let it happen/knew it would happen, and allowed it.
Why?
Cheney and haliburton has negotiated with taleban thru the 90s about an oil pipeline in afghanistan. (energy and us govt are very closely connected, which is very important.)
Taleban took millions from us, then signed with a south american company for their oil. This hurt the US bad.
Bush knew that an attack attributed to bin laden (who was a CIA asset from the 80s thru late 90s that we know of), would justify a war in afghanistan. (and put troops in position for an attack on iraq later).
aug 5- german tells bush that ISR told them an attack was coming. Date, target, and 5 of the hijackers names.
aug 6- monster report from head of FBI - he rushes to crawford TX on an emergency trip. Condi accepts his report then never reads it.
If you're honestly curious, check out Loose Change - a "Intro to 911"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change&hl=en
It's not perfect, but contains a few "smoking guns", and really makes you think. It avoids politics - and focuses on evidence. And some of the evidence, wow...
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...I think a large part of what the news covers is based on revenue and what they think people want to hear. Re the war, they know there is significant opposition to the war, which I think explains in part why they refuse to report the good with the bad. Of course they have to tell us when someone gets blown up, but that's only part of the story.
I would say that some 60-70% of the country supported Mr. Bush and the Iraqi invasion at the outset. It was only when the occupation fell apart shortly after the attack that the staunch defenders of the president started to blame media bia. So it must follow that editorial boards were not, in choosing stories to publish, playing to those opposing the war b/c the majority of the country still supported the war.
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I would say that some 60-70% of the country supported Mr. Bush and the Iraqi invasion at the outset. It was only when the occupation fell apart shortly after the attack that the staunch defenders of the president started to blame media bia. So it must follow that editorial boards were not, in choosing stories to publish, playing to those opposing the war b/c the majority of the country still supported the war.
I agree public support for the war eroded after the invasion and after two near-unanimous Congressional resolutions supporting the war after it started.
But I have always been a media critic. I have friends in the media, but I'm not a fan of the media in general. They constantly manipulate the news. One example is playing the race card. If there is a criminal matter that has any element of race involved, they will fan the flames as much as possible, telling us the racial makeup of the jury, etc. Can you tell me the racial makeup of the Scooter Libby jury? (I have no idea, because the media didn't tell me.) If Scooter Libby was black, I bet we'd know how many black jurors were on the panel.
Climbing off soap box . . . .
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The theory is that Bush let it happen/knew it would happen, and allowed it.
Why?
Cheney and haliburton has negotiated with taleban thru the 90s about an oil pipeline in afghanistan. (energy and us govt are very closely connected, which is very important.)
Taleban took millions from us, then signed with a south american company for their oil. This hurt the US bad.
Bush knew that an attack attributed to bin laden (who was a CIA asset from the 80s thru late 90s that we know of), would justify a war in afghanistan. (and put troops in position for an attack on iraq later).
aug 5- german tells bush that ISR told them an attack was coming. Date, target, and 5 of the hijackers names.
aug 6- monster report from head of FBI - he rushes to crawford TX on an emergency trip. Condi accepts his report then never reads it.
If you're honestly curious, check out Loose Change - a "Intro to 911"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change&hl=en
It's not perfect, but contains a few "smoking guns", and really makes you think. It avoids politics - and focuses on evidence. And some of the evidence, wow...
I'll look at it 240, those facts do jibe, but I aint big on circumstantial evidence cases. Ive Seen to many bad ones.
Still, there are some things about Bush that are terribly wrong @ this point. And even many of his hardcore conservative pals cant stomach him anymore. (Im more along the lines of civil Libertarian frame of thought).
This total lack of concern about the southern border and NAU evidence is just repulsive. There is such a thing as going to far.