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King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia told Arab leaders on Wednesday that the American occupation of Iraq is “illegal,” and he warned that unless Arab governments settle their differences, foreign powers like the United States would continue to dictate the region’s politics.
The king’s speech, at the opening of the Arab League summit meeting here, underscored growing differences between Saudi Arabia and the Bush administration as the Saudis take on a greater regional leadership role, partly at American urging. The Saudis seem to be emphasizing that they will not be beholden to the policies of their longtime ally....
Last week, the Saudi king abruptly canceled his appearance at an April White House dinner planned in his honor, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday. The official reason given for the cancellation was a scheduling conflict.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/world/middleeast/29saudicnd.html?hp=&pagewanted=print
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Who cares what some camel rapist thinks?!
His regime violates human rights and oppresses women. They are in no position to talk about the USA.
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He must be facing some stiff inner pressure in his country and needs to look not like some BUSH puppet.
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Saudi Arabia is the same country that gave us a majority of the 911 hijackers . . . and Osama. Ingrates.
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Who cares what some camel rapist thinks?!
Unless you're prepared to bicycle to work: that would be you, chief.
Addiction's a bitch, ain't it? :)
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They're not a part of the "Axis of Evil" though, so they're the good guys right?
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They're not a part of the "Axis of Evil" though, so they're the good guys right?
The House of Saud are some of the Bush family's closest friends.
(http://www.houseofbush.com/book.jpg)
http://www.houseofbush.com/
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Unless you're prepared to bicycle to work: that would be you, chief.
Addiction's a bitch, ain't it? :)
Actually, I walk to school. It takes less time than driving and parking there!
But Ann Coulter was right: "invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity"...
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Ann Coulter was right: "invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity"...
Did she try to enlist in the armed forces and get rejected for weighing 82 pounds?
Or maybe was she planning to let the darkies do the dying for her.
::)
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Actually, I walk to school. It takes less time than driving and parking there!
But Ann Coulter was right: "invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity"...
I ride a bike to work myself... I love it. It can be a bit of a pain with that LA traffic, but at least I don't have to worry about parking (I bring it inside up the service elevator) and it helps wake me up.
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Saudi Arabia is the same country that gave us a majority of the 911 hijackers . . . and Osama. Ingrates.
And it remains U.S. policy kiss as much Saudi ass as possible.
This was true under Clinton as well, not just Sheik Bush.
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And it remains U.S. policy kiss as much Saudi ass as possible.
This was true under Clinton as well, not just Sheik Bush.
True... why do we are we such Saudi nuthuggers?
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True... why do we are we such Saudi nuthuggers?
What part of "our entire economy, agriculture, and infrastructure is critically dependent on cheap oil" do you have a problem with? :)
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What part of "our entire economy, agriculture, and infrastructure is critically dependent on cheap oil" do you have a problem with? :)
Yep, and I always have... We did ok before them.
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Saudi Arabia is the same country that gave us a majority of the 911 hijackers . . . and Osama. Ingrates.
How would you describe the connections between the Bush family and the Saudi royal family, BB?
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How would you describe the connections between the Bush family and the Saudi royal family, BB?
They probably just enjoy talking shop about making money from oil.
Yawn.
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How would you describe the connections between the Bush family and the Saudi royal family, BB?
I don't know anything about those "connections."
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Saudi Arabia is the same country that gave us a majority of the 911 hijackers . . . and Osama. Ingrates.
aren't the majority of the hijackers alive and well today??
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I don't know anything about those "connections."
Yet still you're willing to use the derogatory quotation marks...
Epic intellectual dishonesty. :)
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Yet still you're willing to use the derogatory quotation marks...
Epic intellectual dishonesty. :)
That's what is amazing.
He will criticize things about which he has zero knowledge.
He's the blind guy telling Picasso his art sucks.
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I don't know anything about those "connections."
lemme enlighten ya..if ya missed it the first time
(http://www.houseofbush.com/book.jpg)
is it photoshop??
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aren't the majority of the hijackers alive and well today??
Yes, something like 90% of them have been found alive and living in various parts of the world.
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Yes, something like 90% of them have been found alive and living in various parts of the world.
other then a retracted BBC article about one of them, do you have any link to show?
Because if they did exist, OBL wouldn't playing the "here we are video" Arab TV every day.
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other then a retracted BBC article about one of them, do you have any link to show?
Because if they did exist, OBL wouldn't playing the "here we are video" Arab TV every day.
I could, but it will come from footage that people will say is all CT spin, so you either believe it or you do not.
I will admit that 90% was a made up BS number on my part... but let me say that a large percentage are alive.
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other then a retracted BBC article about one of them, do you have any link to show?
Link to where the BBC retracted?
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I could, but it will come from footage that people will say is all CT spin, so you either believe it or you do not.
ok, show me.
But at the same time answer this question:
Why aren't those guys being paraded around on arab TV? It would almost instantly crush the BUSH administration's credibility.
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He's the blind guy telling Picasso his art sucks.
lmao
It is my goal to use this quote by the end of this week
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Link to where the BBC retracted?
It's either retracted corrected or ignored and passed by as inaccurate news.
Why aren't those guys being paraded around on arab TV? It would almost instantly crush the BUSH administration's credibility.
It would be a slam dunk.
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ok, show me.
But at the same time answer this question:
Why aren't those guys being paraded around on arab TV? It would almost instantly crush the BUSH administration's credibility.
As to your question, I don't know... It was talked about in the "Loose Change" video and if you google for "9-11 Hijackers Alive"... there's tons of links.
Whether you believe any of it is up to you.
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As to your question, I don't know... It was talked about in the "Loose Change" video and if you google for "9-11 Hijackers Alive"... there's tons of links.
Whether you believe any of it is up to you.
but was the question addressed? did they answer it or did they talk about it?
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but was the question addressed? did they answer it or did they talk about it?
Oh, let me clarify... they did not answer your particular question... my answer to that is "I don't know why they would not do that."
They were talking about the hijackers in loose change and how a large number are still alive. That's all.
Does that clarify my response?
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The Saudi king could make a fine US politician, just need a wardrobe change.
Tell YOUR people what they want to hear.
The USA is a preferred Saudi customer. But Bush has alienated about ALL his former supporters, even in the US.
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Does that clarify my response?
yes it does.
It just seems that if they were really alive, we'd have seen it by now. They could almost single handedly change American public opinion ands take down the BUSH administration AND stop support for our on terror instantly.
that's why i don't believe they are alive.
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It's wasn't just Bush2 & Clinton, Bush 1 & Reagan dropped to their knees for Saudis as well.
There are certain circles within the US where Saudi's are like Kings literally & figuratively.
Ever seen a gung ho cop ask a guy where he's from, ...then get the response Saudi Arabia?
I remember pale Pakistani's trying to pass themselves as SA's in BH, cause it meant royal treatment. :P
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yes it does.
It just seems that if they were really alive, we'd have seen it by now. They could almost single handedly change American public opinion ands take down the BUSH administration AND stop support for our on terror instantly.
that's why i don't believe they are alive.
I dunno, I mean what if they are?
Now this will sounds awfully CT, but if there are documents, people have supposedly stepped up and seen it for themselves, and others have seen it...
I mean, there's so much stuff that points to "could be", shouldn't we at least be a little skeptical of things going on... I thought that was our job as citizens?
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I dunno, I mean what if they are?
Now this will sounds awfully CT, but if there are documents, people have supposedly stepped up and seen it for themselves, and others have seen it...
I mean, there's so much stuff that points to "could be", shouldn't we at least be a little skeptical of things going on... I thought that was our job as citizens?
I've maintain my skepticism and think we do need a 2nd or even 3rd investigation.
It just seems very logical they would be paraded around if they were alive.
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I've maintain my skepticism and think we do need a 2nd or even 3rd investigation.
It just seems very logical they would be paraded around if they were alive.
I can agree with that... It is possible the CTs are simply "making shit up".
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aren't the majority of the hijackers alive and well today??
No. ::)
But talk to 240 about Barbara Olson. He believes she wasn't actually killed on Flight 77, but was secretly released overseas a while back.
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Yet still you're willing to use the derogatory quotation marks...
Epic intellectual dishonesty. :)
More abuse of words and phrases. Nothing derogatory about my quotation marks. And "intellectual dishonesty"? LOL. Dude quit trying to sound like an intellectual. This is a bodybuilding message board. You don't know what the heck you're talking about. ::)
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It's either retracted corrected or ignored and passed by as inaccurate news.
Why aren't those guys being paraded around on arab TV? It would almost instantly crush the BUSH administration's credibility.
It would be a slam dunk.
Can you find where it was retracted/withdrawn?
personally, my guess is that those cats were strongly encouraged to keep quiet or deaded after showing up in the paper. Simple damage control.
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ok, show me.
But at the same time answer this question:
Why aren't those guys being paraded around on arab TV? It would almost instantly crush the BUSH administration's credibility.
they aren'r real Arabs, they are in the FBIs witness protection program
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I ride a bike to work myself... I love it. It can be a bit of a pain with that LA traffic, but at least I don't have to worry about parking (I bring it inside up the service elevator) and it helps wake me up.
how far is your bike commute?
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they aren'r real Arabs, they are in the FBIs witness protection program
:o ::) ;D
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:o ::) ;D
OzmO, come on man, a half dozen CTers can't be wrong can they? They were never even on the "planes" in the first place. Now they are being held up on an island sipping pina coladas waiting for their share of the oil money to come rolling in!
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OzmO, come on man, a half dozen CTers can't be wrong can they? They were never even on the "planes" in the first place. Now they are being held up on an island sipping pina coladas waiting for their share of the oil money to come rolling in!
MM69, i was just adding to your sarcasm ;D
Now the story is they are alive and the FBI is hiding them? hehehehehehe
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MM69, i was just adding to your sarcasm ;D
Now the story is they are alive and the FBI is hiding them? hehehehehehe
LOL I know you were man, after a few months I am starting to pick up on peoples sarcasm. I don't know if that is the official story but what do you want to bet that we could start a rumor and it wouldn't be long until you saw it on prisonplanet.com.
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You know what makes this discussion a little less funny?
2971 Americans who died on September 11th. 200 of which who were jumpers.
What's funny here is that the same people who mock 911 skeptics for questioning the official story - are the same ones who refuse to believe everything the govt tells them. They admit it. So, they pick and choose which statements are lies and which are not, and mock anyone who disagrees with them.
mm69, please promise me that WHEN they make someone a fall guy for WTC7 collapse and admit it was explosives a few years down the road, you'll stick around and let me rag on you for a day or two?
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You know what makes this discussion a little less funny?
2971 Americans who died on September 11th. 200 of which who were jumpers.
What's funny here is that the same people who mock 911 skeptics for questioning the official story - are the same ones who refuse to believe everything the govt tells them. They admit it. So, they pick and choose which statements are lies and which are not, and mock anyone who disagrees with them.
mm69, please promise me that WHEN they make someone a fall guy for WTC7 collapse and admit it was explosives a few years down the road, you'll stick around and let me rag on you for a day or two?
Just for the record, i only mock some of the conclusions of CT'ers.
I want a 2nd and 3rd investigation.
If we can spend 40 million to see if Clinton got a hummer, then we should spend this money. throw in the 20 million for the Iraq victory party too.
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how far is your bike commute?
maybe 3 miles each way.
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You know what makes this discussion a little less funny?
2971 Americans who died on September 11th. 200 of which who were jumpers.
What's funny here is that the same people who mock 911 skeptics for questioning the official story - are the same ones who refuse to believe everything the govt tells them. They admit it. So, they pick and choose which statements are lies and which are not, and mock anyone who disagrees with them.
mm69, please promise me that WHEN they make someone a fall guy for WTC7 collapse and admit it was explosives a few years down the road, you'll stick around and let me rag on you for a day or two?
Of course dude, but you have to make the same promise to me.....
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Of course dude, but you have to make the same promise to me.....
Deal! I'll apologize on youtube for questioning the official story, if they absolutely show how WTC7 fell.
I keep going back to it - 500 feet of building powderized in under 7 seconds. From fire. Can't happen.
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How's this for a "connection", Bum? :)
(http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2007/03/bushab.jpg)
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How's this for a "connection", Bum? :)
(http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2007/03/bushab.jpg)
You didn't have a pic of them banging? I mean if you knew about the people in Saudi, you would know how they are very touchy feely. Bush is just following tradition in a friendly foreign nation out of respect
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You didn't have a pic of them banging? I mean if you knew about the people in Saudi, you would know how they are very touchy feely. Bush is just following tradition in a friendly foreign nation out of respect
He must really love these guys, and no... I didn't do the shop on this one.
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I mean if you knew about the people in Saudi, you would know how they are very touchy feely.
I know that men holding hands isn't teh gay in Arab cultures.
But that doesn't mean that frat boy George doesn't suffer a little skin-crawling when he has to do it Uncle Saud. ;D
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How's this for a "connection", Bum? :)
(http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2007/03/bushab.jpg)
Looks pretty gay to me. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)
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Looks pretty gay to me. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)
fellow seinfeld fan?
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fellow seinfeld fan?
Yep. :)
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Next time another hostile Arab country threatens the House of Saud we should tell the royal family to go to hell.
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He must be facing some stiff inner pressure in his country and needs to look not like some BUSH puppet.
Yes, I think it was for internal consumption at home.
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Yes, I think it was for internal consumption at home.
...or it may be indicative of how they truly feel, ...afterall, they've put Bush on notice that they plan to aggressively back the Sunni's, ...the minority group that was in power under Saddam. I don't think the Saudi's are too happy with what Bush has done and the way things have turned out.
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...or it may be indicative of how they truly feel, ...afterall, they've put Bush on notice that they plan to aggressively back the Sunni's, ...the minority group that was in power under Saddam. I don't think the Saudi's are too happy with what Bush has done and the way things have turned out.
News flash!!! the Saudis have never liked us. Of course you would know that from all the time you have spent side by side with me in Saudi Arabia......no? hmmmm
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News flash!!! the Saudis have never liked us. Of course you would know that from all the time you have spent side by side with me in Saudi Arabia......no? hmmmm
Did you know that Bush1 and the Saudi princes have a pretty long history together? He left office in 1992 and they got right down to business and have spent lots of time together since then.
Their population doesn't like us, big whoopie. Who cares what pricks in other nations think of us? But our govts are very buddy buddy.
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Did you know that Bush1 and the Saudi princes have a pretty long history together? He left office in 1992 and they got right down to business and have spent lots of time together since then.
Their population doesn't like us, big whoopie. Who cares what pricks in other nations think of us? But our govts are very buddy buddy.
Not sure if I would use the word buddy buddy, I think it was a buisness relationship and money always eases tensions. But the Saudi King is the reason we shut down our largest military installation in the middle east PSAB. He wasnted us out, and the Saudi government used to make things really hard on AF operations there.
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Not sure if I would use the word buddy buddy, I think it was a buisness relationship and money always eases tensions. But the Saudi King is the reason we shut down our largest military installation in the middle east PSAB. He wasnted us out, and the Saudi government used to make things really hard on AF operations there.
They spend weeks together in the summertime on the Bush ranch.
Bush1 and the saudi royals have long been a topic of interest and discussion because their business and personal histories and relationships are so deep. Buddy buddy is very much true in this case.
The saudis do have to listen to their people, and they have stiffened relations with the US thanks to Iraq. But Bush1 and his oil princes are something you can't deny.
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Deal! I'll apologize on youtube for questioning the official story, if they absolutely show how WTC7 fell.
I keep going back to it - 500 feet of building powderized in under 7 seconds. From fire. Can't happen.
I have family in both NYPD and FDNY.......both say #7 was "pulled".
Enough said.
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I have family in both NYPD and FDNY.......both say #7 was "pulled".
Enough said.
pulled? are saying it was demolished intentionally?
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pulled? are saying it was demolished intentionally?
9/11 conspiracy theorists believe that 7 World Trade Center was deliberately destroyed. Conspiracy theorists cite the 2002 PBS documentary America Rebuilds, in which Silverstein said: "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." Silverstein's spokesperson, Dara McQuillan, said in September 2005 that by "pull it" Silverstein was referring to the contingent of firefighters remaining in the building, and confirming that they should evacuate the premises
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The Saud Family and the Bush's are in bed with each other, what else is new?
These two families have a disturbingly close relationship.
-Hedge
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9/11 conspiracy theorists believe that 7 World Trade Center was deliberately destroyed. Conspiracy theorists cite the 2002 PBS documentary America Rebuilds, in which Silverstein said: "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." Silverstein's spokesperson, Dara McQuillan, said in September 2005 that by "pull it" Silverstein was referring to the contingent of firefighters remaining in the building, and confirming that they should evacuate the premises
"Pull it"
When "official story" folks say this was about fire teams, you really have to laugh. Popular mechanics (you know, homeland security chief michael chertoff's cousin's magazine) was the first group to write this, to cover up for his smoking gun statement, and it's been parroted. But never used BEFORE 9/11. On the other hand, "pull it" has been used by demo teams for decades and is part of their common vernacular.
Plus, um, the building sure does look like it was pulled.
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pulled? are saying it was demolished intentionally?
Correct.
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Not even mentioning how much money Silverstein standed to gain from the
demolition destruction.
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he made 480 mil on wtc7 alone.
he put down $14 million down payment on the towers, six weeks before 911.
911 hit, and he has cashed insurance for 7+ Billion.
Hell of an investment.
Also, in spring 2002, NYC was going to shut down the towers because the asbestos hadn't been removed. They were going to close the doors. It would have been a financial backbreaker. Silverstein bought them anyways. And, he didn't even start the asbestos process (which would have taken a year - the towers would have been shut down for some time in the spring even if he had started the One Billion Dollar asbestos removal project immediately.
You wanna talk motive? He turned 14 mil into 7 billion. He bought a doomed project and didn't bother fixing it. Instead, he just "pulled" it.
Look at Silverstein more. Look at the asbestos issue more. Hell, look at the corrosion studies - many thought the towers were going to have to be demolished anyway.
Motive, motive, motive. Problem is, if you are going to commit insurance fraud, you shouldn't do it with 3000 people in the buildings.
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News flash!!! the Saudis have never liked us. Of course you would know that from all the time you have spent side by side with me in Saudi Arabia......no? hmmmm
Excuse Me?! What planet are you living on? When you say Saudis, ...are you refering to the average man in the streets, ...or are you refering to the the House of Saud, the Saudi Royal family? Because if you're talking about the Royals, I'd have to say with the exception of OBL, ...the relationship is bloody incestuous. They are so close, ...they might as well be family. They even call the ambassador Bindar Bush... the family's are THAT close.
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Excuse Me?! What planet are you living on? When you say Saudis, ...are you refering to the average man in the streets, ...or are you refering to the the House of Saud, the Saudi Royal family? Because if you're talking about the Royals, I'd have to say with the exception of OBL, ...the relationship is bloody incestuous. They are so close, ...they might as well be family. They even call the ambassador Bindar Bush... the family's are THAT close.
mm69 hasn't studied this one bit.
if he had, he'd know about the huge relationship there.
been in the military ten years, served IN Saudia Arabia, and had no clue about this?
Something wrong there.
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The military is largely about following orders, not thinking for yourself. No offense to those in the military,
but thats a simple fact.
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The military is largely about following orders, not thinking for yourself. No offense to those in the military,
but thats a simple fact.
That is further compounded by the fact that those in the military who are required to think, ...don't know how.
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That is further compounded by the fact that those in the military who are required to think, ...don't know how.
here, we have mm69, hh6, and Enigma. IMO, they fall into 3 categories:
Loud & Uninformed mm69: didn't know there was a Saud/Bush relationship. Didn't know Alaska had ANY oil, much less the second largest reserve in the world.
Politically blinded hh6: blames clinton for 9/11, and has said that any attack on America in the first FIVE years of the Bush admin would have been CLinton's fault.
Recently aware Enigma: was a diehard supporter til he saw the horrors on the field, and learned the REAL reasons we went to war - corporate and oil interests.
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That is further compounded by the fact that those in the military who are required to think, ...don't know how.
You are a Canadian who has never spent a day in the reserves or on active duty in either the Canadian or American armed forces. You watch too much T.V. ::)
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That is further compounded by the fact that those in the military who are required to think, ...don't know how.
If you ever get the opportunity to hang w/ some of the Spec Ops boys in the bar and talk, you'd really
be surprised how they are. They have a lot of freedom in their group. They do not salute each other, and rank alone does not allways outweigh experience. Its a group thing. I hung for a week @ nights with about a dozen of these guys, and they are not what you'd think. This was about 2 yrs before Sept 11th. Its sad to think some of them have prolly been wasted for nothing. Very impressive crew of guys.
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You are a Canadian who has never spent a day in the reserves or on active duty in either the Canadian or American armed forces. You watch too much T.V. ::)
I don't need to, ...I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Select. :P
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I don't need to, ...I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Select. :P
It's Holiday Inn Express. Maybe you don't watch enough TV. :)
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If you ever get the opportunity to hang w/ some of the Spec Ops boys in the bar and talk, you'd really
be surprised how they are. They have a lot of freedom in their group. They do not salute each other, and rank alone does not allways outweigh experience. Its a group thing. I hung for a week @ nights with about a dozen of these guys, and they are not what you'd think. This was about 2 yrs before Sept 11th. Its sad to think some of them have prolly been wasted for nothing. Very impressive crew of guys.
Truth be told, ...I'd be scared to hang out with Spec Ops boys in a bar.
The ability to kill a wo/man 56 ways from Sunday, alcohol, & my mouth, ...doesn't make for a good combination.
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It's Holiday Inn Express. Maybe you don't watch enough TV. :)
{blush} :-[
...maybe you watch too much TV
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Truth be told, ...I'd be scared to hang out with Spec Ops boys in a bar.
The ability to kill a wo/man 56 ways from Sunday, alcohol, & my mouth, ...doesn't make for a good combination.
You should be scared to hang out with anyone in a bar... I bet that mouth gets you in a ton of trouble.
:)
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You should be scared to hang out with anyone in a bar... I bet that mouth gets you in a ton of trouble.
:)
It actually gets me out of more trouble than it gets me into.
I'm way different in person than I am on the internet.
In person, I can kick your ass and make you like it. ;D
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It actually gets me out of more trouble than it gets me into.
I'm way different in person than I am on the internet.
In person, I can kick your ass and make you like it. ;D
Hmm... Almost sounds like an invitation..
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here, we have mm69, hh6, and Enigma. IMO, they fall into 3 categories:
Loud & Uninformed mm69: didn't know there was a Saud/Bush relationship. Didn't know Alaska had ANY oil, much less the second largest reserve in the world.
Politically blinded hh6: blames clinton for 9/11, and has said that any attack on America in the first FIVE years of the Bush admin would have been CLinton's fault.
Recently aware Enigma: was a diehard supporter til he saw the horrors on the field, and learned the REAL reasons we went to war - corporate and oil interests.
Actually, the House of Saud and Bush relation is for some reason not very well known.
It's no secret though.
These two families are like bread and butter, and only one person in Washington have access to Bush at all times - the Saudi Arabia Ambassadeur.
It's quite interesting, really. The history of these families, I mean.
-Hedge
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mm69 hasn't studied this one bit.
if he had, he'd know about the huge relationship there.
been in the military ten years, served IN Saudia Arabia, and had no clue about this?
Something wrong there.
Oh you are trying to get me going this morning, I actually aknowledged tha Bush Saudi oil connection but I wander why the king was trying so hard to kick us out of his country when I was there in 98.....can you answer me that? Incestuous??? come on now....