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This physique is reachable naturally. Was Frank Zane natural? Who knows but he was a little dude with good symmetry and proportions. Even now a days he still has a very good physique so him and Robby Robinson must be naturals.
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very hard to judge but yeah , in this pic, he may be almost completely OFF. But in the next years he was obviously on, but lets recognize he was fore sure one of the few guys who used very little and focused more on training instead of juice.
Another thing is, he was incredibly symetrical, thats his real "genetic gift".
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very hard to judge but yeah , in this pic, he may be almost completely OFF. But in the next years he was obviously on, but lets recognize he was fore sure one of the few guys who used very little.
If anything I picked one of his best pics. He looks contest ready in it.
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If anything I picked one of his best pics. He looks contest ready in it.
there are a lot of others pics of him with more mass (water muscles from steroids).
(http://www.davedraper.com/frank-zane.jpg)
(http://www.teretana.co.ba/galerija/albumi/Frank_zane/05_03_2006_10_43_14.jpg)
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Well...185 pounds is 185 pounds no matter how you cut it, but I still doubt he was natural.
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I don't see why that isn't attainable naturally...
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I don't see why that isn't attainable naturally...
awesome physique, the size is naturally attainable easily, the condition i don't know.
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Yea Right!!!
That`s why they call him (The Chemist)
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Yea Right!!!
That`s why they call him (The Chemist)
He was a professor.
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awesome physique, the size is naturally attainable easily, the condition i don't know.
Extreme Conditoning is one thing ANY NATURAL can attain. That is the cool thing.
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a guy from my old gym said he met Zane when he was at his peak around 78 or 79 and said that he was a lot bigger than he looked in the mags in person, this guy was 6'6" 300 pounds.
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Extreme Conditoning is one thing ANY NATURAL can attain. That is the cool thing.
that is simply insane conditioning.
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that is simply insane conditioning.
simply insane 5'7", 93 lber.
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simply insane 5'7", 93 lber.
he's bigger than that, even if he was 93 pounds it's still damn impressive.
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Extreme Conditoning is one thing ANY NATURAL can attain. That is the cool thing.
Adonis are you that ripped yet? That guy must have trained and built a sh*t load of muscle so when he dieted down he could still look big.
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Extreme Conditoning is one thing ANY NATURAL can attain. That is the cool thing.
All genetics.
If just anyone could attain that level of conditioning, Jay Cutler would have.
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Extreme Conditoning is one thing ANY NATURAL can attain. That is the cool thing.
That's not right! They should not be allowed to take ass shots! Skinny little men make me laugh.
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That's not right! They should not be allowed to take ass shots! Skinny little men make me laugh.
You think that just because you are a tall, strapping young lad that you can insult little men? :-\
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You think that just because you are a tall, strapping young lad that you can insult little men? :-\
bet you'd love that feeling my little 5'9 7/16ths" friend.
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You think that just because you are a tall, strapping young lad that you can insult little men? :-\
Didn't mean to offend you my friend. ;D
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This physique is reachable naturally. Was Frank Zane natural? Who knows but he was a little dude with good symmetry and proportions. Even now a days he still has a very good physique so him and Robby Robinson must be naturals.
Just had to post one of my favorite Zane photos. If anyone could do a vacuum half as good as this today I'd be floored. :o
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bet you'd love that feeling my little 5'9 7/16ths" friend.
LOLOLOL. Yep! Same height as Frank Zane. ;D Discuss.
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zane has some brutal site injection lumps on his kneecaps.
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zane has some brutal site injection lumps on his kneecaps.
Yeah site injections were around in the 70s and 80s ::)
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Adonis are you that ripped yet? That guy must have trained and built a sh*t load of muscle so when he dieted down he could still look big.
Adonis is working on his conditioning as we speak.......at McDonalds. ::)
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Yes....on the supplements....
No...he was not on nearly as much as most in those days & not a fraction to what guys are on now
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awesome physique, the size is naturally attainable easily, the condition i don't know.
Exactly. People laugh at how small Zane was but he still carried enough mass when he was ripped that would put just about any non pro on Getbig to shame.
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Just had to post one of my favorite Zane photos. If anyone could do a vacuum half as good as this today I'd be floored. :o
Classic shot.
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zane has some brutal site injection lumps on his kneecaps.
I don't know if he was natural. It seems the less likely possibility. Though it's hard for me to picture him shooting even half as much as, say, Franco must have. [Franco... you wild man! ;D]
Steve Reeves will never be forgotten. But I think you have to acknowledge that Zane at least approached that height of aestheticness while being both more muscular and more ripped. [He's an underrated poser, as well.] Even if it's a descent from poetry into mathematics, the objectivist in you recognizes that Zane is the one with the greater achievement in caucasian physique development. And, to my mind, still unsurpassed. [By comparison, Jay is just a refrigerator with strips of red meat taped to the outside.]
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I don't know if he was natural. It seems the less likely possibility. Though it's hard for me to picture him shooting even half as much as, say, Franco must have. [Franco... you wild man! ;D]
Steve Reeves will never be forgotten. But I think you have to acknowledge that Zane at least approached that height of aestheticness while being both more muscular and more ripped. [He's an underrated poser, as well.] Even if it's a descent from poetry into mathematics, the objectivist in you recognizes that Zane is the one with the greater achievement in caucasian physique development. And, to my mind, still unsurpassed. [By comparison, Jay is just a refrigerator with strips of red meat taped to the outside.]
Comparison: Steve has a bigger torso, shoulder width and calves.
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Zane has been open about his anabolic use. He claimed in Flex mag that he used to do 10mg d-bol daily with a 100mg shot of Primo a week. D-bol is very potent even in such small doses so I'd say his drug use accounted for at least 20lbs of his bodyweight in contest shape.
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Zane has been open about his anabolic use. He claimed in Flex mag that he used to do 10mg d-bol daily with a 100mg shot of Primo a week. D-bol is very potent even in such small doses so I'd say his drug use accounted for at least 20lbs of his bodyweight in contest shape.
the Ciba D bol back then was potent, the Thai shit around nowadays ain't shit.
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the Ciba D bol back then was potent, the Thai shit around nowadays ain't shit.
Yeah that's what they say but even with todays d-bols a tiny amount offers a huge advantage. The dosage claimed by Zane may seem tiny but the difference in the physique can be like night and day.
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the Ciba D bol back then was potent, the Thai shit around nowadays ain't shit.
Eh... I'm not so sure.
There's an opera saying : "The golden age of Opera is always the one you just missed." [don't even start... it's no gayer than bodybuilding is]
Or, if you'll find it a more relatable analogy: Woodstock was probably boring and miserable most of the three days it took place.
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Zane has been open about his anabolic use. He claimed in Flex mag that he used to do 10mg d-bol daily with a 100mg shot of Primo a week. D-bol is very potent even in such small doses so I'd say his drug use accounted for at least 20lbs of his bodyweight in contest shape.
Flex mag mentioned pro cycles? :o
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Yeah that's what they say but even with todays d-bols a tiny amount offers a huge advantage. The dosage claimed by Zane may seem tiny but the difference in the physique can be like night and day.
a powerlifter at an old gym i went to used to take 40 5mg. d bols a day.
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Natural? I guess they nicnamked him "The Chemist" just for fun.
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a powerlifter at an old gym i went to used to take 40 5mg. d bols a day.
I've seen a bunch of guys do the same and more. A couple of guys have tried 100 tabs on a max attempt day. From a bb standpoint the effects seem to peak at about 50mg and more is just a waste from what I've seen. It's very potent at low dosages.
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Natural? I guess they nicnamked him "The Chemist" just for fun.
They called him that because of his advanced mathematics degree when most bodybuilders were high school grads at best.
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All genetics.
If just anyone could attain that level of conditioning, Jay Cutler would have.
Jay is not Natural.
Drugs seem to cause water retention to a large degree. Naturals don`t ever have to worry about it.
Naturals are better in all areas in my opinion.
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Naturals are better in all areas in my opinion.
Except earning potential. :(
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zane was 191 for the 79 mr o and in his book he said before the 1980 mr o he was 208 with a 28 inch waist and 19 inch arms but he got hurt and had lost alot of wieght for the o...
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Yea Right!!!
That`s why they call him (The Chemist)
Beat me to it. He was ahead of the competition in conditioning for a reason.
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your retards for thinking thats natural
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They called him that because of his advanced mathematics degree when most bodybuilders were high school grads at best.
Ahh really? Interesting, also heard a rumour that the man is dependant on T3 now because he abused it back in the day and caused thyroid problems.
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Ahh really? Interesting, also heard a rumour that the man is dependant on T3 now because he abused it back in the day and caused thyroid problems.
What? Say it aint so. I heard he used cytomil...
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It's well know that Frank Zane used lot's of D-bol back in the day. He liked it due to the fact that it was fast acting and short lasting making it easier to control the sides as he was more concerned with conditioning than building size. Steroids are a very versatile drugs.
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I think Zane said something to the effect that he loved Steriods because he could work out intensely without eating.
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awesome physique, the size is naturally attainable easily, the condition i don't know.
I am fully agreed with you. According to my almost 20years BBing experience,I reached the conclusion that you can attain huge pro level mass with natural BBing.
But combination with super shredded glutes with super size...I have never seen a good natural BBer yet.
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This physique is reachable naturally. Was Frank Zane natural? Who knows but he was a little dude with good symmetry and proportions. Even now a days he still has a very good physique so him and Robby Robinson must be naturals.
Thats how I look when Im fully pumped..... except I have a bugger back and bigger calves than Zane...
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I am fully agreed with you. According to my almost 20years BBing experience,I reached the conclusion that you can attain huge pro level mass with natural BBing.
But combination with super shredded glutes with super size...I have never seen a good natural BBer yet.
::) Ofcourse you can.
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Extreme Conditoning is one thing ANY NATURAL can attain. That is the cool thing.
damn, I only have 11 weeks to get in that kind of condition :-\ :o
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damn, I only have 11 weeks to get in that kind of condition :-\ :o
my friend, abandon hope..find some college girls on spring break and enjoy yourself..
be kind and pass one of to your fellow Canadian Alexxx, something tells me that he doesn't get around girls too much
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There's no such thing as a natural Mr. O. Even Larry Scott openly admits that he along with everyone else of his time period was using DBol.
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Jay is not Natural.
Drugs seem to cause water retention to a large degree. Naturals don`t ever have to worry about it.
Naturals are better in all areas in my opinion.
If you or anyone takes bodybuilding seriously, I see no reason to step onstage as a "natural"!!
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Thats how I look when Im fully pumped..... except I have a bugger back and bigger calves than Zane...
Keep on dreaming the dream JJ. ;D
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::) Ofcourse you can.
I was a skinny little japanese when i started. Many years i had thought that i didnt have genetic.
But now i have same mass as NPC light heavy competitors when i realized that YOU CAN GAIN MASS SAME AS PROS WITHOUT DRUGS.
Also my friend freaky Ogawa is living proof. His weight is 135kg natural BBer.
Ogawa has been my friend since i was 20years old. Now i am 37years old.
I know him very very well.
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damn, I only have 11 weeks to get in that kind of condition :-\ :o
Why dont you post your pic now. You have abs at least dont you?
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Stavios and Alexx are my neighbors. Didn't know you guys are from Montreal. I used to train at Monster Gym in the West Island. Where do you guys train?
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i want the boobs of the hoe in jack w avatar in my mouth,,ill even cover her face with newspaper :D
my god those boobs are perfect
oh and frank zane looks phenominal too :D
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I was a skinny little japanese when i started. Many years i had thought that i didnt have genetic.
But now i have same mass as NPC light heavy competitors when i realized that YOU CAN GAIN MASS SAME AS PROS WITHOUT DRUGS.
Also my friend freaky Ogawa is living proof. His weight is 135kg natural BBer.
Ogawa has been my friend since i was 20years old. Now i am 37years old.
I know him very very well.
yeah but your'e still japanese
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Stavios and Alexx are my neighbors. Didn't know you guys are from Montreal. I used to train at Monster Gym in the West Island. Where do you guys train?
Flex Gym in laprairie
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yeah but your'e still japanese
Whats happening? Why dont you post your pic?If You are smaller than me, it means that you are inferior to JAPANESE.
Oh sorry,you dont have a ball to post your pic. Seņor fag.
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Zane has been open about his anabolic use. He claimed in Flex mag that he used to do 10mg d-bol daily with a 100mg shot of Primo a week. D-bol is very potent even in such small doses so I'd say his drug use accounted for at least 20lbs of his bodyweight in contest shape.
I seem to remember reading that as well-who really cares !!!! very gifted genetically to boot-awesome physique.
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Extreme Conditoning is one thing ANY NATURAL can attain. That is the cool thing.
with diuretics and gh.
most naturals will load up on winstrol and prop and stop about 4 weeks about from a show.
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i want the boobs of the hoe in jack w avatar in my mouth,,ill even cover her face with newspaper :D
my god those boobs are perfect
oh and frank zane looks phenominal too :D
Hahaha ;D
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zane has a slight bone structure but there is a lot of muscle attached to it.
that is why he was a mr o winner. i'd like to see pics of the guys here who are deluding themselves thinking they have the same muscular size as zane.
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This physique is reachable naturally. Was Frank Zane natural? Who knows but he was a little dude with good symmetry and proportions. Even now a days he still has a very good physique so him and Robby Robinson must be naturals.
There is NO SUCH THING as a "clean & drug free" pro or amature bbdr. Zane used just like the rest of them. regardless, he looked awesome and introduced symmetry and proportion to the sport.
PB
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makes me laugh,,,every bodybuilder with a pleasing shape must be natty?..... he'd look just the same but 20 to 30 lbs lighter as a true natural
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Stavios and Alexx are my neighbors. Didn't know you guys are from Montreal. I used to train at Monster Gym in the West Island. Where do you guys train?
I train at POWER GYM! :o
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no
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If you or anyone takes bodybuilding seriously, I see no reason to step onstage as a "natural"!!
what do you mean by that comment?
BTW, alexxx Zane wasn't a natural.
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with diuretics and gh.
most naturals will load up on winstrol and prop and stop about 4 weeks about from a show.
That's a load of bull.Most naturals,certainly in the UK,are 100% lifetime natural.We may not get anywhere near the size of 'assisted' bodybuilders but can equal or surpass them condition wise-it just takes strict dieting,will power and correct water manipulation.
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That's a load of bull.Most naturals,certainly in the UK,are 100% lifetime natural.We may not get anywhere near the size of 'assisted' bodybuilders but can equal or surpass them condition wise-it just takes strict dieting,will power and correct water manipulation.
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But what do you consider natrual? Does ephedrine count? Clen? ASPIRIN? T3's? T4's?
Whilst i will accept alot of natruals don't use steroids, they have no problem with the above mentioned products - and nor should they.
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Any products on the IOC banned list are unnacceptable.If you are not prepared to accept the rules then compete in a non tested organisation,simple as that-the choice is there.I can guarantee that you don't need drugs to be ripped cos I have done it myself and seen many others do it.
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Extreme Conditoning is one thing ANY NATURAL can attain. That is the cool thing.
first of all these guys aren't natural! these guys are using gh, t-3, clenbuterol, and other various un-testable drugs.... a natural doesn't get that shredded, period.
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i dont see why a natty cant get shredded, certainly wont have problems with holding water like we have... i cant see how u can be a natty at an advanced wieght and shredded, reeks of steroids
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i dont see why a natty cant get shredded, certainly wont have problems with holding water like we have... i cant see how u can be a natty at an advanced wieght and shredded, reeks of steroids
Exactly-naturals can achieve great condition but not with great size.