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Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Governmentbacked study has revealed.
It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.
There is also resistance to tackling the 11th century Crusades - where Christians fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem - because lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques.
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Said it before and I'll say it again, the UK is a lost cause and I wouldn't shed a tear over a muslim holocaust in Britain.
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Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Governmentbacked study has revealed.
It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.
There is also resistance to tackling the 11th century Crusades - where Christians fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem - because lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques.
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Said it before and I'll say it again, the UK is a lost cause and I wouldn't shed a tear over a muslim holocaust in Britain.
I like to see the source of this "governmentbacked study" before I believe it.
-Hedge
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I like to see the source of this "governmentbacked study" before I believe it.
-Hedge
I don't have the government source, but I did forget to link you:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445979&in_page_id=1770
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I don't have the government source, but I did forget to link you:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445979&in_page_id=1770
That's plenty.
I thought it was perhaps some obscure website, but the Mail is credible IMO.
Thanks for the link.
And yeah, I agree. It's a fcuking disaster if the education is compromise due to some culture-hugging teachers. Horrible.
Good to see that this makes the news, and also great to see that the government is looking into it.
I haven't given up on our society. You shouldn't either.
I think our politicians needs to visit the slum areas where the radical islamist immigrants lives, where the minority is a majority, refuses to learn English or Swedish or Danish, or whatever the language is.
Then they will understand the problem, and also will find ways to deal with the problem, avoiding extremist parties getting votes.
We don't need populist parties. They're a disgrace. They don't have skilled politicans. But they're the only politicians who are willing to offer an alternative to the current situation.
Even if that alternative is racist.
-Hedge
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Good to see that this makes the news, and also great to see that the government is looking into it.
The way I see it, it's 100% the governments fault.
I don't know about Sweden, but here in Manchester, and all over the north west of England muslim "ghettos" have arose (can't be disputed). In certain places like bradford, oldham, parts of Huddersfield and other towns in yorkshire and London classrooms have become majority muslim, in some case probably 100% muslim student populace.
These schools are still moderated by the government and have majority non-muslim teachers. This creates a very tense environment where the non-muslim teacher MUST appease the muslim students, this means laying off topics like the holocaust. Think about it, it's only logical, and lets face it, these kids have a muslim background with a more animalistic approach and primitive social norms.
I myself had some paki mates in high school which were antisemitic. I'd say the populace of muslims was 25% - this percentage has surely rose.
100% the governments fault, it's just that the schools have been put in a situation they never wanted and have no choice about.
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Wow...
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Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Governmentbacked study has revealed.
It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.
There is also resistance to tackling the 11th century Crusades - where Christians fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem - because lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques.
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Said it before and I'll say it again, the UK is a lost cause and I wouldn't shed a tear over a muslim holocaust in Britain.
You have to wonder how much the English people are gonna take.
15 of their sailors get abducted. Then, Iranians in England have the balls protest the English reaction (or non-reaction).
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Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Governmentbacked study has revealed.
It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.
There is also resistance to tackling the 11th century Crusades - where Christians fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem - because lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques.
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Said it before and I'll say it again, the UK is a lost cause and I wouldn't shed a tear over a muslim holocaust in Britain.
you guys are crazy if you don't see this happening here in the next few years.
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I myself had some paki mates in high school which were antisemitic. I'd say the populace of muslims was 25% - this percentage has surely rose.
Nordic, did you grow up on one of those godforsaken, northern sink-estates that they show on "gritty" television dramas?
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Nordic, did you grow up on one of those godforsaken, northern sink-estates that they show on "gritty" television dramas?
Well I grew up on a decent area, but it only takes a 5 min drive and you can be in a muzzie ghetto.
You have to wonder how much the English people are gonna take.
15 of their sailors get abducted. Then, Iranians in England have the balls protest the English reaction (or non-reaction).
We're going to take it until the place is run by muslims, it's that simple.
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Well I grew up on a decent area, but it only takes a 5 min drive and you can be in a muzzie ghetto.
We're going to take it until the place is run by muslims, it's that simple.
What was root cause of this? Immigration I assume.
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What was root cause of this? Immigration I assume.
Immigration and the EU politically correctness.
Any immigration policy that allows ghettos to form e.g. muzzie in Europe, black/espanic in the US is a fucking joke.
Too late to rectify the problem in the UK tho, put a fork in us, we're done.
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Well I grew up on a decent area, but it only takes a 5 min drive and you can be in a muzzie ghetto.
Watched a documenter about a murder in Wythenshaw the other night...seems a charming place.
Immigration and the EU politically correctness.
Any immigration policy that allows ghettos to form e.g. muzzie in Europe, black/espanic in the US is a fucking joke.
Lack of integration is definitely the main problem. I always used to think that the Government was the mainly at fault for this, but I am now starting to notice a definite unwillingness to intergrate by certain communities.
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Lack of integration is definitely the main problem. I always used to think that the Government was the mainly at fault for this, but I am now starting to notice a definite unwillingness to intergrate by certain communities.
You're joking?!?! This is new to me!
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You're joking?!?! This is new to me!
Yeah, I've got my finger on the pulse me. :D
After suffering the annual "Islam Awareness Week" at uni I'm definitely starting to come round to a different way of thinking!
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Yeah, I've got my finger on the pulse me. :D
After suffering the annual "Islam Awareness Week" at uni I'm definitely starting to come round to a different way of thinking!
What did they make you aware of?
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That they are the "religion of peace", of course!
The gist of it was:
Muslims=Fun-loving, women emancipating, all round good eggs.
Westerners=Imperialist, misogynistic scum.
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That they are the "religion of peace", of course!
The gist of it was:
Muslims=Fun-loving, women emancipating, all round good eggs.
Westerners=Imperialist, misogynistic scum.
Are you shitting me? They actually had an anti-western rhetoric?
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Well, I'm exaggerating slightly, but Islam Awareness Week was not the most balanced of affairs. It was generally lots of events about how great Islam is, as well as lectures on the usual antiwar/bush/Blair topics.
And they wonder why the uni was in the top 5 for radical Islamic activity (the only thing they are in the top 5 for, mind).
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Well, I'm exaggerating slightly, but Islam Awareness Week was not the most balanced of affairs. It was generally lots of events about how great Islam is, as well as lectures on the usual antiwar/bush/Blair topics.
And they wonder why the uni was in the top 5 for radical Islamic activity (the only thing they are in the top 5 for, mind).
No need to exaggrate. That is dangerous. It will give the Islamists the cop-out of claiming that those of us who oppose Islam are liars, hate-mongerers and racists.
And there is no need, either. The truth is terrible as it is.
Look at Toxy. He's in disbelief of the Muslim culture in Britain reported on CNN. He claims it's "not Islam".
Well, it's the Islam we see, all over Europe.
I have no ill will towards these people.
But I cannot tolerate the part of their culture which is anti-feminist and medieval.
Of course it is medival BTW. The Quran was written 1500 years ago.
Praying to Mecca and pilgrimage and those things? I couldn't care less. If someone chooses to do that, it's up to him/her.
But whenever Islam interfers with modern laws and equality, I am the biggest opponent.
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But I cannot tolerate the part of their culture which is anti-feminist and medieval.
Of course it is medival BTW. The Quran was written 1500 years ago.
Praying to Mecca and pilgrimage and those things? I couldn't care less. If someone chooses to do that, it's up to him/her.
But whenever Islam interfers with modern laws and equality, I am the biggest opponent.
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Yes, but maybe you're wrong? The koran is a direct and perfect copy of the "mother of books". It was perfectly received by muhammad via the angel Gabriel.
The koran is infallible, and thus uninterpretable. Every line is definitive and pure perfection -a model for personal life and government.
If god says women are 1/4 of a mans value in court then so be it. If god makes a prophet out of a child molester and murder then so be it, for muhammad is the greatest template you can possibly get for life, he is an example for us all.
Jews and other nonbelievers must be killed until no one is prayed to but allah. Who can't see the benefit of having multiple wives and slave girls?
So, are you saying you know better than god himself Hedge? ???
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Islam sucks. Political correctness sucks.
Look at Toxy. He's in disbelief of the Muslim culture in Britain reported on CNN. He claims it's "not Islam".
Well, it's the Islam we see, all over Europe.
I have no ill will towards these people.
But I cannot tolerate the part of their culture which is anti-feminist and medieval
That report hit home for Toxic, but he's still indenial. He claims he lives his life according to "good muslim values" and that him and his parents are not like the people on that CNN special. Of course they're not because maybe they're not following the Koran properly, while the people destroying England probably are.
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Islam sucks. Political correctness sucks.
That report hit home for Toxic, but he's still indenial. He claims he lives his life according to "good muslim values" and that him and his parents are not like the people on that CNN special. Of course they're not because maybe they're not following the Koran properly, while the people destroying England probably are.
I don't know much about the Koran but I heard about it teaches to kill all non believers (please correct me on any of this). So in reality, in order to be a "good" muslim in Allah's eyes you would be killing. The "bad" muslims are the ones that don't kill.
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I don't know much about the Koran but I heard about it teaches to kill all non believers (please correct me on any of this). So in reality, in order to be a "good" muslim in Allah's eyes you would be killing. The "bad" muslims are the ones that don't kill.
I don't know. I guess what I was trying to say is similar to what you just said, in that the good followers are the one's that are extreme, while the one's that don't really care but call themselves muslims are the bad followers.
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I don't know. I guess what I was trying to say is similar to what you just said, in that the good followers are the one's that are extreme, while the one's that don't really care but call themselves muslims are the bad followers.
I mean are we right about that? good christians are the ones that do what god commands, wouldn't good Muslims be the ones that do what Allah commands?
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I don't know much about the Koran but I heard about it teaches to kill all non believers (please correct me on any of this). So in reality, in order to be a "good" muslim in Allah's eyes you would be killing. The "bad" muslims are the ones that don't kill.
The big thing is that whatever is preached in the Quran, should be followed. Because it is the direct words of God (Allah). It's not like the Bible, which was written by man, and therefore can/should be interpreted.
To say that the Quran should be read in context, that it needs to be interpreted into todays society, that some laws are outdated, et al: then you're claiming the Quran is less than perfect.
And by default claming that the being who wrote the Quran (God/Allah) is less than perfect.
So the "bad" muslims are the one fitting into todays society. The "good" muslims are the ones living by the laws of the Quran.
-Hedge
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you guys are crazy if you don't see this happening here in the next few years.
the reason shit like this happens in the UK and well perhaps USA is cause everyones got rights...and laws and blah blah...
that shit happened in the neighborhood i lived in in paki??..NEVER...they'd just be thrown out..literally..if they came again..someone would get shot..one of their own family members would get the blame and rot his life away in jail...when you see trash..treat it like trash..
now i'm gonna get a lecture from hedgie on humanity and we r better than that..yada yada
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Look at Toxy. He's in disbelief of the Muslim culture in Britain reported on CNN. He claims it's "not Islam".
well i grew up with islam for 15 friggin yrs mate..i NEVER saw ANTHING that stupid ..soo shold i base my comments on personal experience orr agree with you just to appease the majority?
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What is this Pakistani paradise you speak of toxic?
You're a fooking nutta! :-*
Pakistan doesn't have madrasahs or anything like that... ::)
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What is this Pakistani paradise you speak of toxic?
You're a fooking nutta! :-*
Pakistan doesn't have madrasahs or anything like that... ::)
they prolly r there in quetta..i'm in karachi..plus i never actually went hunting for madrasas...why would i..i have no intention of memorizing the koran..
i guess my parents aren't muslim even thought they call them selves cause they dont behave like idiots and rampage and pillage and hate the US
i guess to be muslim you must act like a fool..
gotcha ;)
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you think this will happen in the US? hopefully we are not total socialist pussies like most of the UK but you never know.
Nordic where are you gonna move? they havent got to Ireland yet have they?
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you think this will happen in the US? hopefully we are not total socialist pussies like most of the UK but you never know.
Nordic where are you gonna move? they havent got to Ireland yet have they?
Plan is Australia but might move to California again.
Ireland is just as bad as anywhere else in the British Isles. :-\
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Plan is Australia but might move to California again.
Ireland is just as bad as anywhere else in the British Isles. :-\
I plan on moving out to cali myself after graduation, maybe this, coupled with california's large muslim population will keep you out. ;)
California is a cool place, with nice chicks, medical marijuana laws and a laid back atmosphere.
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Plan is Australia but might move to California again.
Ireland is just as bad as anywhere else in the British Isles. :-\
no way ireland is as bad as england on this issue
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you think this will happen in the US? hopefully we are not total socialist pussies like most of the UK but you never know.
Nordic where are you gonna move? they havent got to Ireland yet have they?
Cav buddy..if it happens here..i'll be RIGHT NEXT TO YOU PROTESTING againt it.. :)
and i'm not being sarcastic..
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no way ireland is as bad as england on this issue
Maybe not, especially the Republic. Unfortunately I have to put up with some of the worst areas: Manchester and Yorkshire.
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well i grew up with islam for 15 friggin yrs mate..i NEVER saw ANTHING that stupid ..soo shold i base my comments on personal experience orr agree with you just to appease the majority?
I think you need to use your rational sense.
Try to step outside the age-old Christian-Muslim conflict for a minute. Judge both religions as objective as you can.
Obviously I will never tolerate any Christian who preaches an eye for an eye, or any other ancient belief that doesn't fit in our modern society. Difference is that Christians for centuries has been allowed a lot of leeway in their faith, the Bible isn't as central as the Quran is.
There are many Christians today who believes that homosexuality is right, and that God is a-okay with it, because Jesus preached that you should show acceptance and love. That's basically their bag.
But at the same time, there are passages in the Bible where homosexuality is condemned.
Leviticus:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination, they shall surely be put to death
So Christians have the luxury to interpret their religion all over the place. Due to the fact that they don't claim the Bible to be the words of God.
Rationally view Islam from the outside. What parts of the actual Islam would you consider to be acceptable?
That's the question you need to ask yourself IMO.
Lots of white have Islamophobia. They're opposing Islam, but for the wrong reasons: because it is something different, something unknown.
They should oppose it because Islam, when you examine it, are a set of rules and beliefs that has no place in a modern society.
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The way I see it, it's 100% the governments fault.
I don't know about Sweden, but here in Manchester, and all over the north west of England muslim "ghettos" have arose (can't be disputed). In certain places like bradford, oldham, parts of Huddersfield and other towns in yorkshire and London classrooms have become majority muslim, in some case probably 100% muslim student populace.
These schools are still moderated by the government and have majority non-muslim teachers. This creates a very tense environment where the non-muslim teacher MUST appease the muslim students, this means laying off topics like the holocaust. Think about it, it's only logical, and lets face it, these kids have a muslim background with a more animalistic approach and primitive social norms.
I myself had some paki mates in high school which were antisemitic. I'd say the populace of muslims was 25% - this percentage has surely rose.
100% the governments fault, it's just that the schools have been put in a situation they never wanted and have no choice about.
100% agreed - i give up on this f ucking sh itty country - i have said it before and i will say it again - just glad i aint gonna be around in 100 yrs time when the country is overrun with these c unts and there is civil war. How hard is it to say "you are welcome to live in our country but if you want to, you must live by our laws and beleifs" !! Other countrys do it ! :(
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you think this will happen in the US? hopefully we are not total socialist pussies like most of the UK but you never know.
Nordic where are you gonna move? they havent got to Ireland yet have they?
Cav have you missed instances where it is beginning to happen already? Being sworn into congress on the Koran, christmas trees taken down in Seattle, cabbies refusing people servise because os sharia law?
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you think this will happen in the US? hopefully we are not total socialist pussies like most of the UK but you never know.
Nordic where are you gonna move? they havent got to Ireland yet have they?
How is UK socialist?
-Hedge
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I don't know much about the Koran but I heard about it teaches to kill all non believers (please correct me on any of this). So in reality, in order to be a "good" muslim in Allah's eyes you would be killing. The "bad" muslims are the ones that don't kill.
It's all based on interpretation...These extremists interpret the Koran the way they want.........When the Holy Bible, says " an eye for an eye", what does that mean, really?
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I plan on moving out to cali myself after graduation, maybe this, coupled with california's large muslim population will keep you out. ;)
California is a cool place, with nice chicks, medical marijuana laws and a laid back atmosphere.
and earthquakes
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100% agreed - i give up on this f ucking sh itty country - i have said it before and i will say it again - just glad i aint gonna be around in 100 yrs time when the country is overrun with these c unts and there is civil war. How hard is it to say "you are welcome to live in our country but if you want to, you must live by our laws and beleifs" !! Other countrys do it ! :(
u have nothing to worry cause the Chinese will rule by then.....
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How is UK socialist?
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are u serious? They're worse then Canada.
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How is UK socialist?
-Hedge
Hahaha, come on now Hedge, NHS, labourite government, welfare state, EU bureaucracy yada yada.
It's all based on interpretation...These extremists interpret the Koran the way they want.........When the Holy Bible, says " an eye for an eye", what does that mean, really?
False. Read this and educate yourself (http://jihadwatch.org/islam101/)
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are u serious? They're worse then Canada.
Interesting.
But how is UK a socialist country?
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First off, lets not get too technical. You know that there is no true, genuine socialist countries. But, Britain did incorporate alot of sociolist views, especially with the labour party in power. With their vast social programs, I wouldn't place them in the same category as the U.S.
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Hedge, do I take your silence as a way of you saying I am right or not?
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First off, lets not get too technical. You know that there is no true, genuine socialist countries. But, Britain did incorporate alot of sociolist views, especially with the labour party in power. With their vast social programs, I wouldn't place them in the same category as the U.S.
Hedge, do I take your silence as a way of you saying I am right or not?
No, I just saw your answer.
You are however incorrect.
UK is not socialist.
A socialist nation, whether we're using the theoretical definition as per Marx or the practical definition, such as Soviet Union and East Germany, are both vastly different from the industrilized capitalist economy of UK.
In a socialist state (such as Soviet Union) there is no free market, no free labor, no free enterprise. These freedoms are central in UK, and the rest of the European Union.
You state "lets not get too technical"... I agree. But to mislabel something entirely different from what it really is, is misleading, and leads to confusion and wrong assumptions.
And as we all know, assumption is the mother of all fcukups... 8)
-Hedge
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What do u call a nation that has universal health care, universal education, they even have universal dental, which even Canada doesn't have. All of these social programs, in my opinion, makes the UK more of a socialist country as oppose to a capitalist one.
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What do u call a nation that has universal health care, universal education, they even have universal dental, which even Canada doesn't have. All of these social programs, in my opinion, makes the UK more of a socialist country as oppose to a capitalist one.
We now have to pay university tuition fees, and NHS dentists are virtually nonexistent.
New Labour are as capitalist as they come.
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What do u call a nation that has universal health care, universal education, they even have universal dental, which even Canada doesn't have. All of these social programs, in my opinion, makes the UK more of a socialist country as oppose to a capitalist one.
Nothing of the things that you listed would make UK a socialist nation.
So I ask again, how is UK socialist?
-Hedge
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Ok, if you won't consider my point of view, then you tell me what's a true capitalist country, cause within a capitalist country, you don't pay taxes, u pay for what you use. So, again, my argument is that the U.K is more of a sociolist country as oppose to a capitalist one.
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Ok, if you won't consider my point of view, then you tell me what's a true capitalist country, cause within a capitalist country, you don't pay taxes, u pay for what you use. So, again, my argument is that the U.K is more of a sociolist country as oppose to a capitalist one.
You are incorrect. You pay taxes in capitalist countries.
You still haven't pointed out one single area where UK is socialist.
Let me re-iterate: UK have a free market, they have freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of enterprise.
But most importantly: UK have a multi-party system.
Let me ask you this: Do you know what socialism is?
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You are incorrect. You pay taxes in capitalist countries.
You still haven't pointed out one single area where UK is socialist.
Let me re-iterate: UK have a free market, they have freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of enterprise.
But most importantly: UK have a multi-party system.
Let me ask you this: Do you know what socialism is?
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Yes, even though the UK has all those capitalist attributes, it still has alot of social programs, like government subsidies, free health care, and laxed immigration laws thats allowing everyone to enter the country. And for this reason, is why UK is not a total capitalist state, and contains alot of socialism.
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Yes, even though the UK has all those capitalist attributes, it still has alot of social programs, like government subsidies, free health care, and laxed immigration laws thats allowing everyone to enter the country. And for this reason, is why UK is not a total capitalist state, and contains alot of socialism.
Relaxed immigration laws have nothing to do with a socialist state.
Traditionally, Soviet Union and other countries behind the Iron Curtain, guarded their boarders like hounds.
On contrary, open borders are a true sign of capitalism, merchantilism and traditional free trading. Restricting immigration restricts the flow of labor, which is directly against ANY capitalistic principle.
But you happen to be wrong as far as UK immigration laws too. UK don't allow anyone to enter their country, that rule is only for fellow European Union citizens, eg I can go and live in UK whenever I want.
BTW, their health care isn't free. It's subsidized.
You're right about one thing though...
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That UK is not a socialist country.
-Hedge
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Maybe their not letting anyone in now, but how do u think they became one of the most multicultural countries. I think your missing my point altogether.
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What do u call a nation that has universal health care, universal education, they even have universal dental, which even Canada doesn't have. All of these social programs, in my opinion, makes the UK more of a socialist country as oppose to a capitalist one.
A nation that invests in itself. 8)
I can't believe you have a problem with a nation that educates it's citizens. They ARE the wealth of a nation ya know. Any nation that doesn't invest in it's own wealth... well, ...I guess they just have to steal it from others that do. 8)