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Title: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 02, 2007, 07:33:33 AM
DRUDGE:

McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Sun Apr 01 2007 13:50:38 ET

**Exclusive**

During a live press conference in Baghdad, Senators McCain and Graham were heckled by CNN reporter Michael Ware. An official at the press conference called Ware’s conduct “outrageous,” saying, “here you have two United States Senators in Bagdad giving first-hand reports while Ware is laughing and mocking their comments. I’ve never witnessed such disrespect. This guy is an activist not a reporter.”

Senators McCain and Graham flew into Iraq and drove into Baghdad, making stops at an open market and a joint Iraq/American military security outpost before appearing at the press conference.

This is not the first time Michael Ware has taken issue with Senator McCain’s comments about early progress in Iraq. Last week, after Senator McCain told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that he needed to catch up on the news coming out of Iraq, Michael Ware responded, saying:

“I don't know what part of Neverland Senator McCain is talking about when he says we can go strolling in Baghdad.”

Michael Ware has also publicly expressed his views on the war last year in an interview with Bill Maher, saying, “I've been given a front-row ticket to watch this slow-motion train wreck … I try to stay as drunk for as long as possible while I'm here … In fact, I'm drinking now.”
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Cavalier22 on April 02, 2007, 07:39:34 AM
Yeah I saw one clip last week where this Michael Ware guy was like "if you have trouble hearing me its because of the helicopters swirling overhead and the gun battles blazing a block away." Except that you could not hear anything in the background at all. I wasn't sure if he was trying to be funny or soemthing.

He said it with such glee, too. 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 02, 2007, 07:54:59 AM
that guys is always so funny.  I saw his "neverland" clip on wolf blitzer, and thought he'd be in trouble then.

the guy has always been crazy like that, but he does make it interesting to watch.  If more media did push the envelope, politicians might be more honest.  WHat mccain said, really trivialized every risk being taken by every troop and reporter in the nation for 4 years.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: OKMike on April 02, 2007, 03:46:38 PM
And people still don't think CNN has a liberal bias?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 02, 2007, 03:53:43 PM
And people still don't think CNN has a liberal bias?

I didn't believe it until I actually started paying attention and comparing CNN and Fox.  IMO, there is an obvious liberal bias with CNN and conservative bias with Fox. 

One thing is certain:  this Ware guy isn't just reporting the news.  He's trying to influence public opinion.   
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: ~flower~ on April 02, 2007, 03:55:10 PM
Did they throw french fries at him?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: youandme on April 02, 2007, 03:59:44 PM
He's trying to influence public opinion.   

bawhaha. Influence it? How by converting the 33% of those who favor the Iraq war?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 02, 2007, 04:02:25 PM
bawhaha. Influence it? How by converting the 33% of those who favor the Iraq war?

“I've been given a front-row ticket to watch this slow-motion train wreck … I try to stay as drunk for as long as possible while I'm here … In fact, I'm drinking now.”   
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 02, 2007, 04:08:37 PM
IMO, there is an obvious liberal bias with CNN and conservative bias with Fox. 

I believe FOX is very far right and MSNBC is far left at this point.

CNN is more left than right, for sure.  But they have that moderate foundation that neither of the others has.  Their focus goes beyond left/right - instead, I think they use middle INCOME/CLASS as their primary target market.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Camel Jockey on April 02, 2007, 04:20:03 PM
And people still don't think CNN has a liberal bias?

Liberal bias for questioning McCain and his misleading comments about Baghdad?  :-\
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: OzmO on April 02, 2007, 05:33:12 PM
Liberal bias for questioning McCain and his misleading comments about Baghdad?  :-\

These days anything that negatively reports the war is a Liberal Bias.  plain and simple.  It's about time you people start acting right and stop walk the line of treason.

You are either for us or against.  There is no gray area.  Just BUSH's way or the wrong way.

Why are you people so slow to get that?

Start acting right, go to church, believe in democracy, report the commies to your local party members... err  ah  republican...  errr ah the FBI, report all terrorist, anyone who doesn't agree with BUSH to the FBI.

traitors.

Clinton caused all this you know.  dam libs.

 ::)
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 02, 2007, 05:42:18 PM
These days anything that negatively reports the war is a Liberal Bias.  plain and simple.  It's about time you people start acting right and stop walk the line of treason.

You are either for us or against.  There is no gray area.  Just BUSH's way or the wrong way.

Why are you people so slow to get that?

Start acting right, go to church, believe in democracy, report the commies to your local party members... err  ah  republican...  errr ah the FBI, report all terrorist, anyone who doesn't agree with BUSH to the FBI.

traitors.

Clinton caused all this you know.  dam libs.

 ::)


hahaha you always can tell the pussies.  They're the ones who blame everyone for everything. 

Repubs have owned the white house, congress, and the world for 6 years, and we're hated and losing everywhere. 

yet them blame everyone but themselves. 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: OzmO on April 02, 2007, 05:45:15 PM

hahaha you always can tell the pussies.  They're the ones who blame everyone for everything. 

Repubs have owned the white house, congress, and the world for 6 years, and we're hated and losing everywhere. 

yet them blame everyone but themselves. 

One of the biggest indicators of a drone-ship or a sheeple is when someone actually blames Clinton for 9/11.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Camel Jockey on April 02, 2007, 05:46:57 PM
Some actually postive out of Iraq:

Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 02, 2007, 06:15:27 PM
One of the biggest indicators of a drone-ship or a sheeple is when someone actually blames Clinton for 9/11.

headhunter6 says that even if the attack had happened FIVE years into the Bush admin, it would still be Clinton's fault.

Seriously, how do you have an intelligent conversation with someone like that?  They have no basis in reality.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: ToxicAvenger on April 02, 2007, 06:29:18 PM
Did they throw french fries at him?

freedom fries dahlin freedom fries  ;D
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 02, 2007, 06:31:55 PM
freedom fries dahlin freedom fries  ;D

After the French put out "911: The Big Lie" and "Hunt the Boeing", our govts response was to attempt to trivialize the French so that people wouldn't even listen to what they have to say.

Attack the messenger, not the message ;)
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 03, 2007, 08:09:40 AM
Ware responds - scroll down for video

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/02/ware-drudge/
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Old_Rooster on April 03, 2007, 08:11:11 AM
DRUDGE:

McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Sun Apr 01 2007 13:50:38 ET

**Exclusive**

During a live press conference in Baghdad, Senators McCain and Graham were heckled by CNN reporter Michael Ware. An official at the press conference called Ware’s conduct “outrageous,” saying, “here you have two United States Senators in Bagdad giving first-hand reports while Ware is laughing and mocking their comments. I’ve never witnessed such disrespect. This guy is an activist not a reporter.”

Senators McCain and Graham flew into Iraq and drove into Baghdad, making stops at an open market and a joint Iraq/American military security outpost before appearing at the press conference.

This is not the first time Michael Ware has taken issue with Senator McCain’s comments about early progress in Iraq. Last week, after Senator McCain told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that he needed to catch up on the news coming out of Iraq, Michael Ware responded, saying:

“I don't know what part of Neverland Senator McCain is talking about when he says we can go strolling in Baghdad.”

Michael Ware has also publicly expressed his views on the war last year in an interview with Bill Maher, saying, “I've been given a front-row ticket to watch this slow-motion train wreck … I try to stay as drunk for as long as possible while I'm here … In fact, I'm drinking now.”

Sorry dumbass but he didn't heckle him, watch the tape.  he didn't even ask a question.   Next!
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: The Enigma on April 03, 2007, 09:05:30 AM
DRUDGE:

McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Sun Apr 01 2007 13:50:38 ET

**Exclusive**

During a live press conference in Baghdad, Senators McCain and Graham were heckled by CNN reporter Michael Ware. An official at the press conference called Ware’s conduct “outrageous,” saying, “here you have two United States Senators in Bagdad giving first-hand reports while Ware is laughing and mocking their comments. I’ve never witnessed such disrespect. This guy is an activist not a reporter.”

Senators McCain and Graham flew into Iraq and drove into Baghdad, making stops at an open market and a joint Iraq/American military security outpost before appearing at the press conference.

This is not the first time Michael Ware has taken issue with Senator McCain’s comments about early progress in Iraq. Last week, after Senator McCain told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that he needed to catch up on the news coming out of Iraq, Michael Ware responded, saying:

“I don't know what part of Neverland Senator McCain is talking about when he says we can go strolling in Baghdad.”

Michael Ware has also publicly expressed his views on the war last year in an interview with Bill Maher, saying, “I've been given a front-row ticket to watch this slow-motion train wreck … I try to stay as drunk for as long as possible while I'm here … In fact, I'm drinking now.”

Has ANYONE viewed a clip of this heckling by Ware?

Ware was interviewed and said it NEVER happened.

I'd believe Ware over John "Jerry Falwell" McCain. 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: youandme on April 03, 2007, 09:06:59 AM
Has ANYONE viewed a clip of this heckling by Ware?

Ware was interviewed and said it NEVER happened.

I'd believe Ware over John "Jerry Falwell" McCain. 

No, still can't find it.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: The Enigma on April 03, 2007, 09:11:31 AM
No, still can't find it.

Because it NEVER happened.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 03, 2007, 09:24:43 AM
that would be HUGE for drudge to report it, if the incident was entirely made up

Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: The Enigma on April 03, 2007, 09:33:41 AM
that would be HUGE for drudge to report it, if the incident was entirely made up



Drudge made it up.

If Ware made the comments......youtube should have it.

Ware said.........."it never happened"
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 03, 2007, 09:54:51 AM
maybe Drudge just got snookered by one of his sources

either way, the story appears to be fake

You've got Ware denying it ever happened and there is no audio/video of it happening

If this was a live press conference there ought to be some tape of the event.
 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: The Enigma on April 03, 2007, 10:21:47 AM
maybe Drudge just got snookered by one of his sources

either way, the story appears to be fake

You've got Ware denying it ever happened and there is no audio/video of it happening

If this was a live press conference there ought to be some tape of the event.
 

Exactly.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on April 03, 2007, 12:55:07 PM
Is the consensus now that this was faked and that it never happened? If so Drudge doesn't look good in this, if he ever did.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Colossus_500 on April 03, 2007, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: 240 is Back
If more media did push the envelope, politicians might be more honest.
240, do you honestly believe this would do the trick? 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 03, 2007, 09:31:06 PM
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/030407_b_Olbermann.htm

Matt drudge pushed the story without source.  Dayum.  Called the guy a drunk and the video showed no such exchange ever occurred.  I guess it was intended to take the focus off mccain's little market march, or to make the anti-war media look like lushes. 

Matt Drudge - today's worst person in the world!
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: The Enigma on April 04, 2007, 02:46:58 AM
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/030407_b_Olbermann.htm

Matt drudge pushed the story without source.  Dayum.  Called the guy a drunk and the video showed no such exchange ever occurred.  I guess it was intended to take the focus off mccain's little market march, or to make the anti-war media look like lushes. 

Matt Drudge - today's worst person in the world!


Hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Hedgehog on April 04, 2007, 03:40:37 AM
I didn't believe it until I actually started paying attention and comparing CNN and Fox.  IMO, there is an obvious liberal bias with CNN and conservative bias with Fox. 

One thing is certain:  this Ware guy isn't just reporting the news.  He's trying to influence public opinion.   

Ware may be leftist, but most of all, he's not a good journalist polarizing like that.


CNN is not liberal though IMO.

Tim Russert is not a leftist, but rather conservative. I would most of all consider him competent, and very good at being neutral.

-Hedge
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 05:07:15 AM
tucker carlson is VERY neocon in the last 18 months.  Norah ODonnell has strong right leanings.  Andrea mitchell is slightly left, but heartless.  Mathews and Olbermann are anti-war.  Scarborough is an imperialist. 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Hedgehog on April 04, 2007, 07:21:13 AM
Is the consensus now that this was faked and that it never happened? If so Drudge doesn't look good in this, if he ever did.

If it is false, I hope they drag him out for ridicule on the media arena.

A good journalist always double-check a good story.

-Hedge

edit: Alex Jones is one crazy wacko.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 08:26:23 AM
edit: Alex Jones is one crazy wacko.

Yes.

But he does bring evidence to the eyes of 10 million people daily, at last count.

He is a journalist who isn't limited by political and economic agendas of say, a Brian Williams.

If Bill O Reilly discovered a massive scandal in the white house, are you 100% confident he would report it?  I am not.  I AM 100% confident that Jones would report it.  In that way, the man is more reliable than OReilly for delivering us the truth.

He's a little crazy and very obnoxious, but he does source everything, and most people wouldn't want to argue evidence with him - he does have pretty solid foundations for his beliefs.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 08:30:16 AM
If it is false, I hope they drag him out for ridicule on the media arena.

A good journalist always double-check a good story.

-Hedge

edit: Alex Jones is one crazy wacko.

Tell me about it.  I watched a clip of him supposedly predicting 911.   ::)  What a fool. 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Tre on April 04, 2007, 08:34:38 AM

CNN was not anti-war at the start.

I was. 

CNN flip-flopped to get on the side of right. 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 08:38:04 AM
Tell me about it.  I watched a clip of him supposedly predicting 911.   ::)  What a fool. 

Beach Bum, remember when I asked you who you believed would be more likely to warn you about an upcoming attack?

You said Alex Jones, not Bush.

Lots of witnesses too, so you shouldn't bother denying it.

I'm just wondering why you believe some "fool" would protect you better than Bush.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 08:46:00 AM
Beach Bum, remember when I asked you who you believed would be more likely to warn you about an upcoming attack?

You said Alex Jones, not Bush.

Lots of witnesses too, so you shouldn't bother denying it.

I'm just wondering why you believe some "fool" would protect you better than Bush.

LOL.  Can you make it through one day without making stuff up?  LOL.  Pull the quote 240.  Use the search feature.  Should be pretty easy. 

Or will this be like yesterday where you told me I quoted Hillary?  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=138952.50

Alex Jones is a fool.  After watching his clip, I understand a little better why you like him.  He has a paranoid mind, just like you.  I bet he believes we faked the moon landing too? 

P.S.  You don't get to invent quotes from me anymore.   :)
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on April 04, 2007, 08:51:30 AM
bawhaha. Influence it? How by converting the 33% of those who favor the Iraq war?

Most press is Liberal and they report on what suits them, if it were the other way around (mostly conservative media) you can bet those numbers would damn near be reversed!
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 08:57:25 AM
LOL.  Can you make it through one day without making stuff up?  LOL.  Pull the quote 240.  Use the search feature.  Should be pretty easy. 

Or will this be like yesterday where you told me I quoted Hillary?  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=138952.50

Alex Jones is a fool.  After watching his clip, I understand a little better why you like him.  He has a paranoid mind, just like you.  I bet he believes we faked the moon landing too? 

P.S.  You don't get to invent quotes from me anymore.   :)


bullshit.  i made a big deal out of it and i know some here remember it.  using 'search' over something embarassing you wrote, which you can delete, plus your mod powers, well, you do the math.

you said it, and you know it.  and you don't have the guts to stand by your own word.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 09:00:39 AM
bullshit.  i made a big deal out of it and i know some here remember it.  using 'search' over something embarassing you wrote, which you can delete, plus your mod powers, well, you do the math.

you said it, and you know it.  and you don't have the guts to stand by your own word.

LOL!  Exposed as a liar yet again.  240 I'm starting to think you have a broken moral compass.  :-\  Honesty is a virtue man. 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 09:11:33 AM
LOL!  Exposed as a liar yet again.  240 I'm starting to think you have a broken moral compass.  :-\  Honesty is a virtue man. 

Tell us about honesty.  You told us you were a high school dropout, then the next day you were a college professor. 

I'm an honest man who speaks my heart.  You're a coward who cannot even own up to statements you made in the past.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 10:24:46 AM
Tell us about honesty.  You told us you were a high school dropout, then the next day you were a college professor. 

I'm an honest man who speaks my heart.  You're a coward who cannot even own up to statements you made in the past.

You have zero credibility.  Here is an example:  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=138952.50  You accused me of attributing a quote to Hillary Clinton, when the thread was actually started by MM.  This is just one example of why you cannot be trusted. 

And I'm calling you out again:  post the Alex Jones quotes.  Not ones you have made up, but ones from me.  Do it or shut the heck up. 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 11:28:10 AM
you probably deleted them, ya liar.

a search is a waste of time.  The regulars here will remember the big bruhaha that ensued when you did admit it.

you have shown you lack the integrity to stand by your own word.  I pity you.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 11:32:39 AM
you probably deleted them, ya liar.

a search is a waste of time.  The regulars here will remember the big bruhaha that ensued when you did admit it.

you have shown you lack the integrity to stand by your own word.  I pity you.

LOL.  Put up or shut up.  Caught in a lie again.  And doesn't it just suck for you that can't make up quotes anymore?   :) 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077008/plotsummary
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 11:38:21 AM
LOL.  Put up or shut up.  Caught in a lie again.  And doesn't it just suck for you that can't make up quotes anymore?   :) 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077008/plotsummary

This is really important to you, isn't it?

Sad.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 11:41:08 AM
This is really important to you, isn't it?

Sad.

LOL.  Liar.  Caught with hand in the cookie jar.  Running like scalded dog.  LOL. . . 

Dude you always make me laugh.   :)     
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 11:54:45 AM
LOL.  Liar.  Caught with hand in the cookie jar.  Running like scalded dog.  LOL. . . 

Dude you always make me laugh.   :)     

you're a 38 year old college professor who posts on getbig all day.

I'm a scary judge of talent my friend.  And you have talent.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: militarymuscle69 on April 04, 2007, 12:30:33 PM
you're a 38 year old college professor who posts on getbig all day.

I'm a scary judge of talent my friend.  And you have talent.

and what do you do? you are on here all day too...
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 12:38:45 PM
you're a 38 year old college professor who posts on getbig all day.

I'm a scary judge of talent my friend.  And you have talent.

Keeping running.  You lied.  Again.  I don't generally call you on the garbage you post on this site, but I am now.  Post the Alex Jones quotes 240.   
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 12:48:17 PM
I honestly don't feel like searching thryu 6800 of your terrible posts for something you could easily delete.  Jag will back me, she reminded you last week that she remembered our discussion too.  I am sure others here remember it too.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 12:58:42 PM
I honestly don't feel like searching thryu 6800 of your terrible posts for something you could easily delete.  Jag will back me, she reminded you last week that she remembered our discussion too.  I am sure others here remember it too.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119528/
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: The Enigma on April 04, 2007, 02:17:49 PM
Most press is Liberal and they report on what suits them, if it were the other way around (mostly conservative media) you can bet those numbers would damn near be reversed!

                                                  ::)
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: militarymuscle69 on April 04, 2007, 02:20:11 PM
                                                  ::)

You really think that when meet the press has only Dem guests on their show that they are effectively reporting the story?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 04, 2007, 03:22:17 PM
I honestly don't feel like searching thryu 6800 of your terrible posts for something you could easily delete.  Jag will back me, she reminded you last week that she remembered our discussion too.  I am sure others here remember it too.

Absolutely! I remember you saying that Beach Bum. I remember laughing my ass off at it too.

you can deny it all you want, ...but those of us who read it remember you saying it.

I also remember how you danced around it too, ...until you finally admitted it.

BTW - Drudge was also the one who in the wake of the Foley scandal, labelled pubescent teenage boys as little demons who prey on older perverted Congressmen tempting them with their bodies. No joke. It does not surprise me that he would make allegations about an event that everyone surrounding it denies. I would think tape of a reporter heckling McCain would be all over the place.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 03:27:30 PM
Absolutely! I remember you saying that Beach Bum. I remember laughing my ass off at it too.

you can deny it all you want, ...but those of us who read it remember you saying it.

I also remember how you danced around it too, ...until you finally admitted it.

Oh quit acting like a dang fool Jag.   ::)  Quote me.  I'm calling you on this crap too.  Same challenge I made to 240:  put up or shut up. 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 04, 2007, 03:33:00 PM
Oh quit acting like a dang fool Jag.   ::)  Quote me.  I'm calling you on this crap too.  Same challenge I made to 240:  put up or shut up. 

I would quote you except the post in which you admitted it is now gone.
I did a search the last time you denied it, ...and it is gone.

You can deny all you want, ...the three of us Me, YOU and 240 know the truth.

There may even be others here who remember it as well.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 03:41:39 PM
I would quote you except the post in which you admitted it is now gone.
I did a search the last time you denied it, ...and it is gone.

You can deny all you want, ...the three of us Me, YOU and 240 know the truth.

There may even be others here who remember it as well.

Sure Jag.  It mysteriously disappeared.   ::)  When the facts don't support you, make them up.  A 240 creed.  lol.

I'm not surprised 240 would make stuff up.  He does it all the time.  But you?  I'm a little surprised.  Not totally, knowing what I think I know about you, but a little.   

Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 04, 2007, 04:30:10 PM
Sure Jag.  It mysteriously disappeared.   ::)  When the facts don't support you, make them up.  A 240 creed.  lol.

I'm not surprised 240 would make stuff up.  He does it all the time.  But you?  I'm a little surprised.  Not totally, knowing what I think I know about you, but a little.   




What's so mysterious when one can delete their own posts.  I seem to recall the dialogue as well.

Why don't you just follow your usual MO and pretend you don't understand the question or respond with a similar non sequitur
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 04:57:50 PM

What's so mysterious when one can delete their own posts.  I seem to recall the dialogue as well.

Why don't you just follow your usual MO and pretend you don't understand the question or respond with a similar non sequitur

Why don't you follow your usual MO and pose another straw man question.  Wait . . . . you already did.   ::)   
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 04, 2007, 05:16:44 PM
Why don't you follow your usual MO and pose another straw man question.  Wait . . . . you already did.   ::)   

Actually - no I didn't.  There's nothing in my prior post that can in any way be construed as such

Why don't you educate yourself:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

BTW - My use of "straw man" was meant to be ironic.  I noticed that most of the right wing arguments on this site (yours included) and in the media are of the straw variety.     
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 05:57:31 PM
Actually - no I didn't.  There's nothing in my prior post that can in any way be construed as such

Why don't you educate yourself:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

BTW - My use of "straw man" was meant to be ironic.  I noticed that most of the right wing arguments on this site (yours included) and in the media are of the straw variety.     

"What's so mysterious when one can delete their own posts." = straw man question.  Hope this helps.   :)
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 04, 2007, 06:12:28 PM
"What's so mysterious when one can delete their own posts." = straw man question.  Hope this helps.   :)

wrong again

It's a statement of fact, not a logical fallacy.

There's not even any nuance.

You tried to belittle Jag by implying that there was some mystery in the missing post when it's obvious that you could delete it yourself


Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 04, 2007, 06:18:06 PM
Even 240's original question was gone, along with his quoting BB's response.

There are alot of posts missing from Getbig
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 06:37:03 PM
wrong again

It's a statement of fact, not a logical fallacy.

There's not even any nuance.

You tried to belittle Jag by implying that there was some mystery in the missing post when it's obvious that you could delete it yourself


[chuckle]  Dude, this is a question (probably a rhetorical question):  "What's so mysterious when one can delete their own posts."  If you intended this to be a statement of fact, it should read:  There is nothing mysterious when one can delete their own posts.

I didn't try and belittle Jag.  There is no missing post.  It never existed.  What did and does exist are a plethora of assertions by 240, with no direct response from me.  I generally ignore most of them.  So, if you are contending I deleted a post with your straw man question/statement, you're wrong.  You obviously haven't been paying attention to my exchanges with 240.  They are rarely substantive.       
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 06:38:30 PM
Even 240's original question was gone, along with his quoting BB's response.

There are alot of posts missing from Getbig

240 deleted a lot of his own posts.  Probably more than half.  Maybe there is a mysterious post-deleting gremlin lurking around the board.   ::)
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 04, 2007, 06:46:03 PM
[chuckle]  Dude, this is a question (probably a rhetorical question):  "What's so mysterious when one can delete their own posts."  If you intended this to be a statement of fact, it should read:  There is nothing mysterious when one can delete their own posts.

I didn't try and belittle Jag.  There is no missing post.  It never existed.  What did and does exist are a plethora of assertions by 240, with no direct response from me.  I generally ignore most of them.  So, if you are contending I deleted a post with your straw man question/statement, you're wrong.  You obviously haven't been paying attention to my exchanges with 240.  They are rarely substantive.       

I recall seeing the post

regardless - my query to you is not a logical fallacy.

You can in fact delete your own post so why pretend like it's a mystery that the post is gone ?  





 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 04, 2007, 06:48:43 PM

What's so mysterious when one can delete their own posts.  I seem to recall the dialogue as well.

Why don't you just follow your usual MO and pretend you don't understand the question or respond with a similar non sequitur

Ah... wrong again Beach Bum. It is a statement.

That little dot (.) at the end is called a period. Were it a question, there would have been a little curly guy above the period. It looks like this "?" and is called a question mark. This is basic punctuation my friend.

I'm surprised a college professor appears so ignorant about something as simple and as basic as punctuation.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 06:52:47 PM
I recall seeing the post

regardless - my query to you is not a logical fallacy.

You can in fact delete your own post so why pretend like it's a mystery that the post is gone ?  


Sure.  You recall seeing me post something that no longer exists.  Right.  ::)  LOL . . . This is a slow news day. . . .

Oh so now it's a "query" and not a statement of fact?  I'm not a grammar Nazi (mine isn't good enough), but your grammar was all wrong.  (You forgot your question mark in the first non-question question too.)

I never said there was a mystery.  Perfect example of another straw man question.  That really is your MO.  



Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 06:54:27 PM
Ah... wrong again Beach Bum. It is a statement.

That little dot (.) at the end is called a period. Were it a question, there would have been a little curly guy above the period. It looks like this "?" and is called a question mark. This is basic punctuation my friend.

I'm surprised a college professor appears so ignorant about something as simple and as basic as punctuation.

LOL . . . . LOL. . . .  :D  So when a person asks a question and mistakenly uses a period instead of a question mark the question becomes a statement?  Now you guys are helping liven up my slow afternoon.   :D
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 04, 2007, 06:57:29 PM
LOL . . . . LOL. . . .  :D  So when a person asks a question and mistakenly uses a period instead of a question mark the question becomes a statement?  Now you guys are helping liven up my slow afternoon.   :D

Are we going to do this all night?

My comment was in reference to my statement.

Did I also ask you a question?

Yes I did

Is every question a straw man argument?

No it's not.

Are you really that thick or is it just a goof?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 07:02:31 PM
Are we going to do this all night?

My comment was in reference to my statement.

Did I also ask you a question?

Yes I did

Is every question a straw man argument?

No it's not.

Are you really that thick or is it just a goof?

All night?  Sun is shining here.  Beautiful afternoon. 

I didn't say every question was a straw man argument.  (That would be another straw man question/statement by you.  Very consistent.) 

"Thick" as in "stupid"?  You been talking to my wife?   
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 04, 2007, 07:04:35 PM
[chuckle]  Dude, this is a question (probably a rhetorical question):  "What's so mysterious when one can delete their own posts."  If you intended this to be a statement of fact, it should read:  There is nothing mysterious when one can delete their own posts.

I didn't try and belittle Jag.  There is no missing post.  It never existed.  What did and does exist are a plethora of assertions by 240, with no direct response from me.

Wrong. He hammered you until you answered the question, ...then he gloated over it, and since then, you've met all straightforward questions from 240 with eyerolls and general nonsense in a desperate and transparent bid to avoid another embarrassing pwning.

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I generally ignore most of them.

I don't blame you. He has a tendency to make you look like a fool. Although it's not like you need much help there

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So, if you are contending I deleted a post with your straw man question/statement, you're wrong.

I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and entertain the possibility you may not have deleted it yourself, ...but I doubt that someone, even someone as foolish as yourself would dare challenge him to quote you on something you clearly DID say, without knowing for a fact the incriminating evidence had already been destroyed.

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You obviously haven't been paying attention to my exchanges with 240.  They are rarely substantive.       

Only because you are incapable of having any substantive discussion with 240. You bob & weave and avoid it like the plague. Not that I blame you... you do appear extremely foolish when going up against him, and he has an uncanny knack for cutting out the heart of your argument with near surgical precision. It's almost like watching a Tyson fight. You get all lathered up in anticipation of a fabulous match, ...then Tyson goes and knocks his opponent out in the first minute without even breaking a sweat. It's a bit of a let down. You just keep running away from him. Who knows... he may get tired and decide to stop chasing you around the ring, ...or not?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 07:06:37 PM
Wrong. He hammered you until you answered the question, ...then he gloated over it, and since the,n you've met all straightforward questions from 240 with eyerolls and general nonsense in a desperate and transparent bid to avoid another embarrassing pwning.

I don't blame you. He has a tendency to make you look like a fool. Although it's not like you need much help there

I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and entertain the possibility you may not have deleted it yourself, ...but I doubt the someone, even someone as foolish as yourself would dare challenge him to quote you on something you clearly DID say, without knowing for a fact the incriminating evidence had already been destroyed.

Only because you are incapable of having any substantive discussion with 240. You bob & weave and avoid it like the plague. Not that I blame you... you do appear extremely foolish when going up against him, and he has an uncanny knack for cutting out the heart of your argument with near surgical precision. It's almost like watching a Tyson fight. You get all lathered up in anticipation of a fabulous match, ...then Tyson goes and knocks his opponent out in the first minute without even breaking a sweat. It's a bit of a let down. You just keep running away from him. Who knows... he may get tired and decide to stop chasing you around the ring, ...or not?

Very good Jag.  I'm impressed.  Very coherent response.  A mess factually, but nicely worded. 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 04, 2007, 07:09:20 PM
Very good Jag.  I'm impressed.  Very coherent response.  A mess factually, but nicely worded. 

...despite all the typos?  :-\
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 07:16:52 PM
...despite all the typos?  :-\

Yes.  I've already said I'm not a grammar Nazi (although I do tease people about their grammar sometimes.  Mine is terrible.)  There was the typical fanciful element throughout your response, but it actually reads well. 

And I don't have a very high opinion of 240's intellect or debating skills.  He's actually quite juvenile.  (I'm an overgrown kid too--according to my own kids--but at least I can admit this.  :))  Almost always descends to name-calling if the debate/discussion goes on long enough.  He's incapable of debating anything for too long without ad hominem.  And maybe you have such a high opinion of him, because you have the same problem. 

Can you tell it’s a slow afternoon?   :-\
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 04, 2007, 07:42:05 PM
Yes.  I've already said I'm not a grammar Nazi (although I do tease people about their grammar sometimes.  Mine is terrible.)  There was the typical fanciful element throughout your response, but it actually reads well. 

And I don't have a very high opinion of 240's intellect or debating skills.  He's actually quite juvenile.  (I'm an overgrown kid too--according to my own kids--but at least I can admit this.  :))  Almost always descends to name-calling if the debate/discussion goes on long enough.  He's incapable of debating anything for too long without ad hominem.  And maybe you have such a high opinion of him, because you have the same problem. 

Can you tell it’s a slow afternoon?   :-\


When dealing with passive aggressive types, ones patience can easily wear thin.

I have a high opinion of 240 because I've seen the transformation of 240.

Just consider yourself lucky you didn't know him 2 years ago. He would have been sooo far up your butt, he'd have been spotting precancerous polyps.  ;D (I'd love to take credit for that line, ...but someone else said it on here a while back) ...or maybe not? 2 yrs ago 240 had his head in the sand like everyone else, ready to take out the first person who even dared think, ...let alone whisper that there was something shady about the 911 story. The poor kid made the mistake of actually looking at the evidence rather than accepting the official story at face value. That's when he saw the official story came up looking like a piece of Swiss cheese.  :P

He should have just left well enough alone and continued to drink the government Kool-Aid. {lol}

I do find it interesting to note the calm that has come over him now that he is aware of the truth.

It's just as it says "The truth will set you free"

Bottom line is: You have to stand for something, ...or you'll fall for anything.
Many who post on here are living testament to that fact.

"As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities." --Voltaire
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 04, 2007, 07:48:06 PM
All night?  Sun is shining here.  Beautiful afternoon

I didn't say every question was a straw man argument.  (That would be another straw man question/statement by you.  Very consistent.) 

"Thick" as in "stupid"?  You been talking to my wife?   
For some reason it wouldn't suprise me if you were ignorant of basic astronomy

Why are you going off on a tangent about punctuation?  Perhaps to avoid commenting on the original point?

I could spend my time pointing out when you've left out a question mark but that would be lame because we all know what you're talking about.   

What were you trying to say when you typed the following (we all know that it wasn't an attempt to belittle Jag or avoid responding to her comment) 

I would quote you except the post in which you admitted it is now gone.
I did a search the last time you denied it, ...and it is gone.

You can deny all you want, ...the three of us Me, YOU and 240 know the truth.

There may even be others here who remember it as well.

Sure Jag.  It mysteriously disappeared.   ::) 








Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 08:46:56 PM
When dealing with passive aggressive types, ones patience can easily wear thin.

I have a high opinion of 240 because I've seen the transformation of 240.

Just consider yourself lucky you didn't know him 2 years ago. He would have been sooo far up your butt, he'd have been spotting precancerous polyps.  ;D (I'd love to take credit for that line, ...but someone else said it on here a while back) ...or maybe not? 2 yrs ago 240 had his head in the sand like everyone else, ready to take out the first person who even dared think, ...let alone whisper that there was something shady about the 911 story. The poor kid made the mistake of actually looking at the evidence rather than accepting the official story at face value. That's when he saw the official story came up looking like a piece of Swiss cheese.  :P

He should have just left well enough alone and continued to drink the government Kool-Aid. {lol}

I do find it interesting to note the calm that has come over him now that he is aware of the truth.

It's just as it says "The truth will set you free"

Bottom line is: You have to stand for something, ...or you'll fall for anything.
Many who post on here are living testament to that fact.

"As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities." --Voltaire

240 believes the government faked the moon landing.  And about 10 or so other conspiracies.  I cannot take someone like that seriously. 

And I don't know him, but "passive aggressive" sounds about right.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 08:48:15 PM
For some reason it wouldn't suprise me if you were ignorant of basic astronomy

Why are you going off on a tangent about punctuation?  Perhaps to avoid commenting on the original point?

I could spend my time pointing out when you've left out a question mark but that would be lame because we all know what you're talking about.   

What were you trying to say when you typed the following (we all know that it wasn't an attempt to belittle Jag or avoid responding to her comment) 

Sure Jag.  It mysteriously disappeared.   ::) 










Here is a tip:  if you want to have a dialog, don't try an insult and then ask a question.   :) 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 08:49:54 PM
beach bum,

you are what you are.  play your position.  we're on different levels at this point, and it might always be that way.  do what you're built for, what you've been trained for.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 08:51:51 PM
beach bum,

you are what you are.  play your position.  we're on different levels at this point, and it might always be that way.  do what you're built for, what you've been trained for.

 ::)
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 08:53:14 PM
::)

Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 08:53:53 PM


 ::) ::)
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 04, 2007, 08:54:47 PM
Here is a tip:  if you want to have a dialog, don't try an insult and then ask a question.   :) 

still you never answer any question
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 04, 2007, 08:55:02 PM
240 believes the government faked the moon landing.  And about 10 or so other conspiracies.  I cannot take someone like that seriously. 

He can believe the moon is made of green cheese for all I care, ...but when he IS able to back up his believes with sound, logical, arguments based on facts, ...a refusal to address it is merely indicative of your weak posture.

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And I don't know him, but "passive aggressive" sounds about right.


{giggle} I was referring to you.

240 used to be a heckler, ...infact, he was an even better heckler than you will ever be, but he's outgrown that.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 04, 2007, 08:56:14 PM
{ROTFLMAO} I swear if Ron disabled the eyeroll smiley, Beach would have a nervous breakdown.  ;D
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 08:57:20 PM
still you never answer any question


Sure I don't straw man.   ::)
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 08:59:38 PM
He can believe the moon is made of green cheese for all I care, ...but when he IS able to back up his believes with sound, logical, arguments based on facts, ...a refusal to address it is merely indicative of your weak posture.

{giggle} I was referring to you.

240 used to be a heckler, ...infact, he was an even better heckler than you will ever be, but he's outgrown that.

I'm all out of laughs, but this is really funny.  Jag you both believe in the same conspiracies.  What else are you going to say? 

I'm about tapped out.  This is Idol and Lost night.  I might a post or two left . . . .  :)
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 04, 2007, 09:01:30 PM
Sure I don't straw man.   ::)

exactly
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 09:02:37 PM
I believed there are unexplained holes in the moon landing, particularly the PSI on the suits and the radiation faced.  Plus the initial statistical chances

And above all, those fishy pictures.  I would start a thread showing how the same backdrops were used with different rock arrangements, something impossible unless they moved around large boulders for different missions.

But it doesn't matter.  Neil Armostrong could sign a confession and he'd get an eye roll.

Beach Bum, you are an irrelevant human being.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 04, 2007, 09:03:19 PM
I'm all out of laughs, but this is really funny.  Jag you both believe in the same conspiracies.  What else are you going to say? 

I'm about tapped out.  This is Idol and Lost night.  I might a post or two left . . . .  :)

Do you really believe readers are so stupid and so gullible as to easily accept what you infer... that I am down with any and all conspiracy theories you accredit to 240. I just stated in plain language I don't care what he believes... he's welcome to believe anything he wants, ...but when he makes a sound, logical argument based on facts, your refusal to engage in any type of defense of a contrary position you hold dear is indicative of a weak posture.

ps - Are you rooting for Sanjaya?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 09:03:48 PM
{ROTFLMAO} I swear if Ron disabled the eyeroll smiley, Beach would have a nervous breakdown.  ;D

Darn right!   ;D  We would have trouble communicating if I didn't have the eye roll.  
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 09:04:39 PM
I believed there are unexplained holes in the moon landing, particularly the PSI on the suits and the radiation faced.  Plus the initial statistical chances

And above all, those fishy pictures.  I would start a thread showing how the same backdrops were used with different rock arrangements, something impossible unless they moved around large boulders for different missions.

But it doesn't matter.  Neil Armostrong could sign a confession and he'd get an eye roll.

Beach Bum, you are an irrelevant human being.

**Insert Twlight Zone Theme**
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 09:07:00 PM
Do you really believe readers are so stupid and so gullible as to easily accept what you infer... that I am down with any and all conspiracy theories you accredit to 240. I just stated in plain language I don't care what he believes... he's welcome to believe anything he wants, ...but when he makes a sound, logical argument based on facts, your refusal to engage in any type of defense of a contrary position you hold dear is indicative of a weak posture.

ps - Are you rooting for Sanjaya?

I am not talking to "readers."  I'm talking to you, oh great one, who believes Bush bribed the media (that's about equivalent of a faked moon landing in my book).  I guess I should have said "you believe in some of the same stupid conspiracies."   :)

P.S.  Sanyaja sucks!!  Booo!!!  Hiss!!!!
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 09:10:53 PM
I am not talking to "readers."  I'm talking to you, oh great one, who believes Bush bribed the media (that's about equivalent of a faked moon landing in my book).  I guess I should have said "you believe in some of the same stupid conspiracies."   :)

P.S.  Sanyaja sucks!!  Booo!!!  Hiss!!!!

Sanjaya doesn't go home tonight.  And the official 911 story is wrong.

Sorry for tonight's spoilers!
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 04, 2007, 09:14:40 PM
I am not talking to "readers."  I'm talking to you, oh great one, who believes Bush bribed the media (that's about equivalent of a faked moon landing in my book).  I guess I should have said "you believe in some of the same stupid conspiracies."   :)

P.S.  Sanyaja sucks!!  Booo!!!  Hiss!!!!


If they are equivalent, then you clearly believe in the moon landing as a fake.
Either that, ...or you must not have heard about the huge media fund.
In that case, your math needs a bit more work. If I ask you to change a $5 bill, ...would I get 4 twentys in return?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2007, 09:20:14 PM
If they are equivalent, then you clearly believe in the moon landing as a fake.
Either that, ...or you must not have heard about the huge media fund.
In that case, your math needs a bit more work. If I ask you to change a $5 bill, ...would I get 4 twentys in return?

Depends on who is giving the change.   :)  No I don’t know anything about the “media fund,” but I doubt it supports your contention that Bush has bribed the media. 

Jag why is it that you (and some others) have the scoop on these nefarious conspiracies that news outlets won't touch?  You guys are like a ship floating at sea that will never reach its port.  That has gotta suck, no?  Rhetorical questions.  I'm out. 

Buenos noches.   :)
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 04, 2007, 09:28:35 PM
Depends on who is giving the change.   :)  No I don’t know anything about the “media fund,” but I doubt it supports your contention that Bush has bribed the media.

Maybe you should refrain from forming opinions about subjects you know nothing about.
Bribing the media was the sole purpose of the fund. Don't make me sit on the eyeroll smiley as well. 

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Jag why is it that you (and some others) have the scoop on these nefarious conspiracies that news outlets won't touch? 

Because it is as Rosie O'Donnell stated on "The View". If you want the truth about what's going on in the world or even inside the USA, you need to step outside of it, because the media is not telling you the truth.

I don't care if you hate Rosie. She stated fact.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2007, 09:30:05 PM
I think it comes down to the fact that Beach Bum believes the media is not influenced by govt.

240 and (presumably) Jag disagree.


Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: militarymuscle69 on April 05, 2007, 05:48:18 AM
Even 240's original question was gone, along with his quoting BB's response.

There are alot of posts missing from Getbig

someone find Sandy Berger and check his socks!!
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2007, 06:10:23 AM
someone find Sandy Berger and check his socks!!

Beach Berger.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 05, 2007, 08:42:20 AM
Maybe you should refrain from forming opinions about subjects you know nothing about.


I don't have a problem with forming an opinion about something that doesn't pass the common sense test (like Bush bribing the media). 

Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: OzmO on April 05, 2007, 08:45:18 AM
Who says BUSH "Bribed" the media?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 05, 2007, 08:49:12 AM
Who says BUSH "Bribed" the media?

Jag.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: OzmO on April 05, 2007, 08:56:43 AM
Jag.

Oh?  So BUSH sent the MEDIA Money to shut up?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 05, 2007, 09:03:19 AM
Oh?  So BUSH sent the MEDIA Money to shut up?

To print false statements, ...support his agenda, ...spread false news etc., etc., etc.,
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: OzmO on April 05, 2007, 09:20:29 AM
To print false statements, ...support his agenda, ...spread false news etc., etc., etc.,

So he pays the media money to do those things?

Any proof of this?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 05, 2007, 09:27:31 AM
So he pays the media money to do those things?

Any proof of this?

Yes, ...there was tons of it. I can't believe you guys have never heard about this!  :o  :o

My mouth is hanging open so much I swear I'm gonna catch flies!  :o   :o   :o
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: OzmO on April 05, 2007, 09:28:43 AM
Yes, ...there was tons of it. I can't believe you guys have never heard about this!  :o  :o

My mouth is hanging open so much I swear I'm gonna catch flies!  :o   :o   :o

I wasn't thinking of flies.....   ;)


Well can you show me something on it?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2007, 09:31:21 AM
please share more, jag.


beach bum still believe that the man who holds the title of 'President' is really in charge of everything that happens here.  in reality, much of the decision making power is held by groups, committees, and alliances which have been in place for 60 years.

Of course, if it's not in his 6th grade SOcial Studies book, it's CT talk, right Beach Dumb?
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 05, 2007, 10:27:50 AM
To print false statements, ...support his agenda, ...spread false news etc., etc., etc.,

This is just crazy.   ::)  Proof?  I guess he's entitled to a refund?  The media has hardly been supporting his agenda, spreading false news, etc., etc. 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 05, 2007, 10:40:23 AM
This is just crazy.   ::)  Proof?  I guess he's entitled to a refund?  The media has hardly been supporting his agenda, spreading false news, etc., etc. 


Orrin Hatch was on Meet the Press last Sunday and blatantly lied about Carol Lam - claiming she had no prosecutorial experience and was Clinton's Campaign manager in SoCal.   Apparently all a complete fucking lie. 
I haven't seen the transcripts  but supposedly Rush Limbaugh picked it up and ran with it this week.   This the basic MO - start a lie - pass it around for awhile and even if it's later retracted people still mostly remember the lie and not the retraction

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rachel-maddow/an-open-letter-to-senator_b_45024.html

http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/04/05/orrin-hatch-rush-limbaugh-lie-about-carol-lam/
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 05, 2007, 10:42:43 AM
Orrin Hatch was on Meet the Press last Sunday and blatantly lied about Carol Lam - claiming she had no prosecutorial experience and was Clinton's Campaign manager in SoCal.   Apparently all a complete fucking lie. 
I haven't seen the transcripts  but supposedly Rush Limbaugh picked it up and ran with it this week.   This the basic MO - start a lie - pass it around for awhile and even if it's later retracted people still mostly remember the lie and not the retraction

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rachel-maddow/an-open-letter-to-senator_b_45024.html

http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/04/05/orrin-hatch-rush-limbaugh-lie-about-carol-lam/

How does this support Jag's claim that Bush has bribed the media? 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2007, 10:45:13 AM
Orrin Hatch was on Meet the Press last Sunday and blatantly lied about Carol Lam - claiming she had no prosecutorial experience and was Clinton's Campaign manager in SoCal.   Apparently all a complete fucking lie. 

Orrin Hatch showed a lack of integrity and ethics.

He should be impeached by people from BOTH parties in his state.

If people stopped defending poor behavior and started holding people (of both parties) accountable for their actions, our system would improve greatly.  Instead, people defend low standards because "it's their team".

I am betting some moron here will soon defend Hatch.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 05, 2007, 10:55:40 AM
How does this support Jag's claim that Bush has bribed the media? 

It doesn't and I don't think Bush and Co bribes anyone.  I see them more using the the stick than the carrot.  They probably threaten, extort etc...  but someone gave Hatch those talking points and either he or his staff was too stupid to check them out or they didn't care
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 05, 2007, 11:06:05 AM
It doesn't and I don't think Bush and Co bribes anyone.  I see them more using the the stick than the carrot.  They probably threaten, extort etc...  but someone gave Hatch those talking points and either he or his staff was too stupid to check them out or they didn't care

I made the following comment:  "This is just crazy.  Proof?  I guess he's entitled to a refund?  The media has hardly been supporting his agenda, spreading false news, etc., etc."

I was talking about Jag's claim that Bush bribes the media.  In response to my comments, you mentioned Orin Hatch, a U.S. Senator, making comments about former U.S. Attorney Carol Lam.  Completely irrelevant to my comments.  If you were simply changing the subject, that is fine, but you have to be a little more clear for simple minded people like me.   :)   
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 05, 2007, 11:32:34 AM
I made the following comment:  "This is just crazy.  Proof?  I guess he's entitled to a refund?  The media has hardly been supporting his agenda, spreading false news, etc., etc."

I was talking about Jag's claim that Bush bribes the media.  In response to my comments, you mentioned Orin Hatch, a U.S. Senator, making comments about former U.S. Attorney Carol Lam.  Completely irrelevant to my comments.  If you were simply changing the subject, that is fine, but you have to be a little more clear for simple minded people like me.   :)   

I'm assuming you're just playing the devils advocate on this subject.  I don't support Jag's claim that Bush is bribing anyone but if she has some source it would be interesting to see.

My comments and very recent example of Hatch's blatant lie is relevent given your comment:

This is just crazy.   ::)  Proof?  I guess he's entitled to a refund?  The media has hardly been supporting his agenda, spreading false news, etc., etc. 


Here's Rupert Murdoch saying that his network was trying to "shape the agenda" and supporting the Bush policy. 
Listen to the snickers in the audience when Charlie Rose asks Rupert if there is any agenda the he wants to shape.



 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Dos Equis on April 05, 2007, 11:41:24 AM
I'm assuming you're just playing the devils advocate on this subject.  I don't support Jag's claim that Bush is bribing anyone but if she has some source it would be interesting to see.

My comments and very recent example of Hatch's blatant lie is relevent given your comment:

Here's Rupert Murdoch saying that his network was trying to "shape the agenda" and supporting the Bush policy. 
Listen to the snickers in the audience when Charlie Rose asks Rupert if there is any agenda the he wants to shape.




This is the comment I was responding too:

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Quote from: jaguarenterprises on Today at 09:03:19 AM
To print false statements, ...support his agenda, ...spread false news etc., etc., etc.,


She was referring to the media, and so was I.  So, your first point about Hatch has nothing to do with her comments or my response.

Now, the Murdoch comments might be somewhat relevant to Jag's claim that Bush bribes the media, but I think they're actually more relevant to whether or not Fox has a conservative bias.   
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 05, 2007, 11:53:48 AM
This is the comment I was responding too:

She was referring to the media, and so was I.  So, your first point about Hatch has nothing to do with her comments or my response.

Now, the Murdoch comments might be somewhat relevant to Jag's claim that Bush bribes the media, but I think they're actually more relevant to whether or not Fox has a conservative bias.   

Hatch's comments are an example of how the media can be used to spread lies and promote an agenda.   

Sorry if it's not Beach Bum approved as a perfect response to one aspect in one post. 

Hatch's comments are totally false yet has it been retracted?  NO

Has it been picked up by other right wing spokesholes and repeated - YES

Was anyone bribed to do this?  IMO - highly doubful but I do believe that this smear probably originated somewhere in the Bush camp and is being passed through the right wing media like a male hooker at the white house.   They know it's a complete lie and they know that if it starts with Hatch (someone with credibility) it can be picked up by others and passed around as "fact" and most of the people who hear it will never even think to question it.   Even if it's later retracted it will have served it's purpose. 

This is a direct response to your comment that "the media has hardly been supporting his agenda, spreading false news, etc., etc."
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: OneBigMan on April 05, 2007, 04:47:04 PM
The only thing that CNN stands for is being the Controlled News Network.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 24KT on April 05, 2007, 04:56:56 PM
It appears you guys are determined to waste my time... ok fine, ...but I won't waste my money.
Not to prove something I already know.

THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ: INQUIRY; U.S. Urged to Stop Paying Iraqi Reporters
 
May 24, 2006, Wednesday
By DAVID S. CLOUD (NYT); Foreign Desk
Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 19, Column 4, 822 words

 
DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - Defense Department investigation of Pentagon-funded propaganda efforts in Iraq warns that paying Iraqi journalists to produce positive stories could damage US credibility, and calls for end to such payments; review by Rear Adm Scott Van Buskirk was ordered after disclosure that Lincoln Group of Washington got tens of millions of dollars to plant articles by American soldiers in Iraqi publications

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Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: gtbro1 on April 05, 2007, 05:04:19 PM
Most press is Liberal and they report on what suits them, if it were the other way around (mostly conservative media) you can bet those numbers would damn near be reversed!

horse shit. 
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2007, 05:11:17 PM
Most press is Liberal and they report on what suits them, if it were the other way around (mostly conservative media) you can bet those numbers would damn near be reversed!

From 2001 to 2003, Bush walked on water in the media.

The argument "the media is liberal" doesn't fly when they were very far-right for these 3 years.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: The Enigma on April 06, 2007, 09:11:04 AM
From 2001 to 2003, Bush walked on water in the media.

The argument "the media is liberal" doesn't fly when they were very far-right for these 3 years.


Very true. Bush was untouchable by ANY media for 3 yrs.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: 240 is Back on April 06, 2007, 03:54:10 PM
Very true. Bush was untouchable by ANY media for 3 yrs.

I would like some of the people here who believe otherwise to please speak up.
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: Straw Man on April 06, 2007, 04:02:41 PM
Orrin Hatch showed a lack of integrity and ethics.

He should be impeached by people from BOTH parties in his state.

If people stopped defending poor behavior and started holding people (of both parties) accountable for their actions, our system would improve greatly.  Instead, people defend low standards because "it's their team".

I am betting some moron here will soon defend Hatch.

Hatch issues a retraction (sort of) and it only took him a week.  I wonder if Rush will do the same:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/06/hatch-correction-mtp/
Title: Re: McCain heckled by CNN reporter
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on April 06, 2007, 08:17:48 PM
Hatch issues a retraction (sort of) and it only took him a week.  I wonder if Rush will do the same:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/06/hatch-correction-mtp/

I always wonder why these clowns spout off about facts they don't know and that can be easily checked.

I'm not holding my breath waiting for Rush to do any kind of mea culpa. It's not in his blood. I don't even think he did one when he was outed as a drug addict.