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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: mesmorph78 on April 07, 2007, 10:18:48 AM
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I see a lot of guys burning pros saying they are cheating or using bad form when they dont lock out..
i personally thing not l;ocking out is harder than locking out on a lot of movements... when i say not locking out i dont mean a partial less than haldf or 3 quarter range of movement
ie.. bench presses.. i can bench 315 for 8- 10 reps .. for the first say 6 i dont lockout meaning i dont pause on the top of the movement.. but atfer rep 6-7 when the going gets really touoch i have to beging locking out and pausing on the top of the movement...
in contrast to an isolation move say dumbell laterals i think personally not holding for a split second on the top of the movement is easier... than going full way
what do you y'all say
which is harder in general
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It depends... if someone is trying to use every muscle involved with say bench press (chest, shoulders, triceps, etc...) than locking out would be of some merit... although I hardly ever do a complete lockout on EVERY rep simply because that would be pretty tough on the elbow joints. If someone is trying to emphasize more chest on the flat bench, not locking out keeps the tension on the target muscle group (chest) so you work it harder. Locking out moves the tension from the chest to the triceps and shoulders.
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DO't pause at the top, pause at the bottom. Better challenge. I do it to this day. I will lay the bar on my chest for 5 to 10 seconds for each rep with 315. I do it on the bench, incline and military.
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I see a lot of guys burning pros saying they are cheating or using bad form when they dont lock out..
i personally thing not l;ocking out is harder than locking out on a lot of movements... when i say not locking out i dont mean a partial less than haldf or 3 quarter range of movement
ie.. bench presses.. i can bench 315 for 8- 10 reps .. for the first say 6 i dont lockout meaning i dont pause on the top of the movement.. but atfer rep 6-7 when the going gets really touoch i have to beging locking out and pausing on the top of the movement...
in contrast to an isolation move say dumbell laterals i think personally not holding for a split second on the top of the movement is easier... than going full way
what do you y'all say
which is harder in general
locking out shifts the weight from the chest to the shoulders
if you want to keep constant tension on the chest then don't lock out
by the way I am calling BS on the 315 for 8-10 reps. This is getbig! show and prove
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To shoulders ????
Try to triceps
You guys really know shit it seems
Obviously not locking out is harder and lets you get less reps with less weight
It's no 'I think that' question
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Why lockout and wear your joints out faster? Also it takes the tension off the muscle you are trying to work. I never do it. I also think its harder to not lockout because your muscles never get a rest
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locking out shifts the weight from the chest to the shoulders
if you want to keep constant tension on the chest then don't lock out
by the way I am calling BS on the 315 for 8-10 reps. This is getbig! show and prove
also don't forget Mesomorph only eats twice a day too, no breakfast, a sandwich at lunch and some chicken after training. ::)
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I think Vince Taylor locks out 8)
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Ronnie reps are far, far harder than traditional reps
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locking out shifts the weight from the chest to the shoulders
if you want to keep constant tension on the chest then don't lock out
by the way I am calling BS on the 315 for 8-10 reps. This is getbig! show and prove
really your callin bullshit huh...
ok... how much us dollars would you put on that.. ala.. adonis 112 deadlift thread...
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also don't forget Mesomorph only eats twice a day too, no breakfast, a sandwich at lunch and some chicken after training. ::)
..you seriously have a probelm with me dont you...
because u probably dont bench 315.. i cant... great theory..
ok .. like i said to steelpegasus.. how much $$ do you want to put up to say i cant or havent..
a la... adonis.. 112 deadlift thead?
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DO't pause at the top, pause at the bottom. Better challenge. I do it to this day. I will lay the bar on my chest for 5 to 10 seconds for each rep with 315. I do it on the bench, incline and military.
I Can see who that would build strength...
i may actually try that... i only pause on top when i get to the later reps...thats when i lockout and pause...
but yeah i'll definetly try that rest pause on the bottom technique you just described
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..you seriously have a probelm with me dont you...
because u probably dont bench 315.. i cant... great theory..
ok .. like i said to steelpegasus.. how much $$ do you want to put up to say i cant or havent..
a la... adonis.. 112 deadlift thead?
hahahaha, yeah "mesomorph" 315 is WAYYYYYYY too heavy for me. ::)
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hahahaha, yeah "mesomorph" 315 is WAYYYYYYY too heavy for me. ::)
hahaha be careful posting your pic in a "mesomorph" thread, SF, "he" may use it as jackoff material.
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hahahaha, yeah "mesomorph" 315 is WAYYYYYYY too heavy for me. ::)
... umm you are posting that picure with pride?
i have bigger arms chest back shoulders...
10 times more cut..
lol man ima just take you as funny now because its clear you are delusional...
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from now on.. i wont actually speak directly to u...
in regard to you vs me or... how much weight u think i can or cant lift because it really isnt importnt..
anything else like sometime you actually post worthwhile suff on the training boards i will gladly debate with you with...
but this whole you vs me
schitz..
ima leave tha one on you
;)
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... umm you are posting that picure with pride?
i have bigger arms chest back shoulders...
10 times more cut..
lol man ima just take you as funny now because its clear you are delusional...
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from now on.. i wont actually speak directly to u...
in regard to you vs me or... how much weight u think i can or cant lift because it really isnt importnt..
anything else like sometime you actually post worthwhile suff on the training boards i will gladly debate with you with...
but this whole you vs me
schitz..
ima leave tha one on you
;)
hahahahaha, you're skinny, ugly and you lie about the weight you lift. ;D
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hahahahaha, you're skinny, ugly and you lie about the weight you lift. ;D
Dude you are fat as shit. What kind of delusional mirror are you looking into. Give Adonis back his mirror.
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Dude you are fat as shit. What kind of delusional mirror are you looking into. Give Adonis back his mirror.
You must be looking at a different pic than the one I saw. SF is massive, huge delts and chest, dude looks like a fucken tank.
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You must be looking at a different pic than the one I saw. SF is massive, huge delts and chest, dude looks like a fucken tank.
he is pretty jacked for sure.... once he diets down he will look great
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Dude you are fat as shit. What kind of delusional mirror are you looking into. Give Adonis back his mirror.
you just stick up for "meso" because you're skinny and black like him.
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you just stick up for "meso" because you're skinny and black like him.
Why dont you diet down?(Seriously)
Dont worry. You can reveal some serious irons under your body fat.
You look strong.
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its angry fat bitch tittied italian man ;D
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Why dont you diet down?(Seriously)
Dont worry. You can reveal some serious irons under your body fat.
You look strong.
he looks fat, and thats the truth.
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monster unprovoked double post by DP
sars is in your head, no doubt
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monster unprovoked double post by DP
sars is in your head, no doubt
So you dont think squadfather is fat? Be honest
Dont give me that lame bullshit that he is lean.
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So you dont think squadfather is fat? Be honest
Dont give me that lame bullshit that he is lean.
i never said i was lean dummy, i'm far from lean but i'm bigger than "mesomorph", let's see your pics, "sgt. D".
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you just stick up for "meso" because you're skinny and black like him.
Yeah that must be it ::)
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on some excersises i think it actually more harmful than good when you lock oit..
ie behind the neck two arm dumbell extensions..... puts a lot of strain on the elbows..
.. but on the flip side i have seen a few bbing videos where i personally this the range of motion is questionable..
ie johnnie and branch... chest work out bfto 2005.. when they were were doing dumbell presses
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You look very bad squatfather.....nothinug resembling a bodybuilder.
u resemble..a guy who drinks beers and orders pizza and watches movies at 11pm.
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;D
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;D
Meso, what is your height and weight?
based on the pic in your avatar 315 for 8-10 seems unlikely
no need to bet..if you can, post a vid and it won't be a topic of discussion
on topic, one execise you can lock out in is tricep pressdown/extention.
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is this a joke.... mesomorph posted his pics months (years?) ago and he absolutely burries fartfather ...
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yeah i really dont care how strong squadfather is he looks like shit his physique is awful. i dont think anybody would aim to look like that.
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All SF needs to do is diet down for about 12 weeks and he'll look pretty good. Hes got the muscle, just needs to lose some fat.
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Meso, what is your height and weight?
based on the pic in your avatar 315 for 8-10 seems unlikely
no need to bet..if you can, post a vid and it won't be a topic of discussion
on topic, one execise you can lock out in is tricep pressdown/extention.
the pic in my avatar...?
i have no avatar
its easy to talk for talkin sake..
i have no incenticvet to post any videos.. beause i have nothing to prove... to anyone...
i will put the videos up if i dont i am a liar
put the money up.. if i dont bench 315 for between 8 to 10 reps.. i will pay up..
if i do the money goes to charity..
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8)
and to add t that mix 145 dumbells presses...
.. what say you?
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the pic in my avatar...?
i have no avatar
its easy to talk for talkin sake..
i have no incenticvet to post any videos.. beause i have nothing to prove... to anyone...
i will put the videos up if i dont i am a liar
put the money up.. if i dont bench 315 for between 8 to 10 reps.. i will pay up..
if i do the money goes to charity..
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and to add t that mix 145 dumbells presses...
.. what say you?
what do you call that image under your name? I call it an avatar
you claimed to bench 315 for 8-10, I say that you can't
around here people claim many things which turn out not to be true..ok fine I will take your word for it..you are the man
we will also take adonis 225 for 125 reps and his physics degree claims also
from now on everyone is on the honor system ::)
on a side note, why make claims if you have nothing to prove? attention?
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also 145 DB press is not impressive..I have done DBs in a couple of months but I left off at 150s 8)
tweaked my shoulder so I switched to pre-exhaution before lifting..shoulder feeling better..I think that I will start back on the DBs again
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people keep phrasing this all wrong. everyone says not locking out is harder because it keeps constant tension on the muscle. well that's only true if you assume that locking out also means pausing.
here's a challenge for all of you "don't lock out" guys. lock out all your reps but continue the non-stop rep rhythm of not locking out. simple physics will tell you that since you're moving the bar further you'll do more work. more than that, you don't have to do any guesswork on whether or not you're going far enough.
that's why any time you have lifters coaching football players in preparation for the 225 rep-out they explain not to lock out and pause until you absolutely have to. the extra ROM tires you out more quickly.
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also 145 DB press is not impressive..I have done DBs in a couple of months but I left off at 150s 8)
tweaked my shoulder so I switched to pre-exhaution before lifting..shoulder feeling better..I think that I will start back on the DBs again
so u can do a 150 db press and i cant press 315 8 to 10 reps...
and why because 150 isnt inpressiive because YOU said so..
hahha ur funny i have posted vids onf me doin various lifts on here... those who have seen me lift know that 315 for 8 to 10 isnt a far stretch for me....
also those who have my hotmail messenger.. know the deal.... until you put some green up.... you have no talk... have u ever posted anythimng here
you are just like sarcasm.. and see what happened when he eventually posted his pics
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so u can do a 150 db press and i cant press 315 8 to 10 reps...
and why because 150 isnt inpressiive because YOU said so..
hahha ur funny i have posted vids onf me doin various lifts on here... those who have seen me lift know that 315 for 8 to 10 isnt a far stretch for me....
also those who have my hotmail messenger.. know the deal.... until you put some green up.... you have no talk... have u ever posted anythimng here
you are just like sarcasm.. and see what happened when he eventually posted his pics
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flat bench was never my strongest lifts. I never claimed anything about my build..I love food too much :)
why I am like sarcasm? I have never talk bad about your build. I think that you have a good one, lean with good good definition. I am sure that you are strong. but it is wrong for me to have doubts about your 315 for 8-10 reps?
once again I am not bashing you, but that doesn't mean that I have to believe everything does it?
forgive me for not wanting my pics on the web
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Why lockout and wear your joints out faster? Also it takes the tension off the muscle you are trying to work. I never do it. I also think its harder to not lockout because your muscles never get a rest
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flat bench was never my strongest lifts. I never claimed anything about my build..I love food too much :)
why I am like sarcasm? I have never talk bad about your build. I think that you have a good one, lean with good good definition. I am sure that you are strong. but it is wrong for me to have doubts about your 315 for 8-10 reps?
once again I am not bashing you, but that doesn't mean that I have to believe everything does it?
forgive me for not wanting my pics on the web
.. ok fine i can respect that....
i just find it bizarre someone callin bullshit to a 315 bench???
anyway i will be puttin up stuff from time to time.. and yes i agree i love my food ay too much to diet as well...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gym.jpg)
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.. ok fine i can respect that....
i just find it bizarre someone callin bullshit to a 315 bench???
anyway i will be puttin up stuff from time to time.. and yes i agree i love my food ay too much to diet as well...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gym.jpg)
where do you live? I am in the heart of carribean "heavy" food :)
I haven't DBd in a while but I sure that I can back to 150 pretty quickly..if you are in area let me, would make for a cool work out
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Locking out fully will only ruin your joints in time and will take the stress off the body part working.
PB
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also 145 DB press is not impressive..I have done DBs in a couple of months but I left off at 150s 8)
tweaked my shoulder so I switched to pre-exhaution before lifting..shoulder feeling better..I think that I will start back on the DBs again
wtf you're calling bullshit on 315 flat bench, but say 145db presses are not impressive?
how does that work...I've seen a guy use 150lb db for 6 reps and his max bench is 405, and does 315 for a clean 12 reps
315 is impressive for a natural and its not impossible. I just find it funny that you think 315 for 8 reps is impossible but 145lb db isn't impressive
meso you look good man, and i dont doubt your lifts. But i DO however doubt that you only eat 2 meals a day with no breakfast. What exactly do these two meals consist of?
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mmmright now i am in london man.. but i will be in miami later on down this year....
i actually thing dumbell pressing 145 or 150.. is harder than repping 315....
also when i firsted started working out i used to love barbell presses but as i got more exprerienced training wise i have come to respect and like dumbells more.. i havent maxed on a benchpress in like a yr and a hald.. back then i maxed 374. as u get holder answering the how much u bench uestion gets less and less important.. only thing i max on is deads nowadays
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wtf you're calling bullshit on 315 flat bench, but say 145db presses are not impressive?
how does that work...I've seen a guy use 150lb db for 6 reps and his max bench is 405, and does 315 for a clean 12 reps
315 is impressive for a natural and its not impossible. I just find it funny that you think 315 for 8 reps is impossible but 145lb db isn't impressive
meso you look good man, and i dont doubt your lifts. But i DO however doubt that you only eat 2 meals a day with no breakfast. What exactly do these two meals consist of?
... wsup man thx...
i swear to u to meals a day.. on weekdays.. no breakfast..
the 2 meals are..
chicken and fries.. for lunch from a chicken hjoint close by..
then in the night after training...
caribean food...
rice and peas and chicken...
or ackee and saltfish with hard food like yams dumplins..
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where do you live? I am in the heart of carribean "heavy" food :)
Looks like Harlesden to me!
;)
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... wsup man thx...
i swear to u to meals a day.. on weekdays.. no breakfast..
the 2 meals are..
chicken and fries.. for lunch from a chicken hjoint close by..
then in the night after training...
caribean food...
rice and peas and chicken...
or ackee and saltfish with hard food like yams dumplins..
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personally I think that ackee is the nastiest thing god ever invented. My girl and her family loves it (you must be part Jamaican)
lol, that food is so heavy that I have no doubts that you are getting enough calories
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Meso, tell you what if I send you a vid a of me pressing 150 for a couple of reps. Will you promise to not post it and also send me a vid of you pressing 315 for 8-10
a gentlemens agreement?
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Looks like Harlesden to me!
;)
hell NO..it is called Brooklyn ;D
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he looks fat, and thats the truth.
haha damn shit, i got no idea why fat boy keeps posting that damn pic, like hes proud of it or something...amazing delusion, just fascinating :o
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hell NO..it is called Brooklyn ;D
That pic of Meso? That fencing has that pommie-fish-n-chip-limey-London look.
I lived in Harlesden (north London) for a while... and I was the only white man there. Walking to the shops there, I always felt like Moses parting the Red Sea - after an oil spill. ;D
Joking aside, there's a big Jamaican population there, so probably some good food to be had.
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mmmm no not part jamaica. full jamaican...
mmm i will put my vids up soon.. its always a time factor for me.. ripping of my cam..... but yeah definetly i will be throwing my stuff up...
why would u not post vids in the open do you have reservations.. about doing so?
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That pic of Meso? That fencing has that pommie-fish-n-chip-limey-London look.
I lived in Harlesden (north London) for a while... and I was the only white man there. Walking to the shops there, I always felt like Moses parting the Red Sea - after an oil spill. ;D
Joking aside, there's a big Jamaican population there, so probably some good food to be had.
thats the ouside of my gym.. its on an industrial estate.. .. quite hardcore in look.. but 80% of the trainers train like gurls... in my opinion.. some massive guys there... powerlifters... strongmen etc etc
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mmmm no not part jamaica. full jamaican...
mmm i will put my vids up soon.. its always a time factor for me.. ripping of my cam..... but yeah definetly i will be throwing my stuff up...
why would u not post vids in the open do you have reservations.. about doing so?
my girl is full Jamaican also, I will be going there for the first time this summer
I am not into posting my pic all over the web.
Just some quiet guy that likes to work out
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It could probably accomodate every fit person in London and wouldn't have to be that big. Most of the English look like they're related to Squadfather.
Good forearms, btw... fucker. ;D
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my girl is full Jamaican also, I will be going there for the first time this summer
I am not into posting my pic all over the web.
Just some quiet guy that likes to work out
mmm good good make sure you go to montego bay... doctors cave beach... and on the strip called bottom reoad.. the night life is LIVE..
and no trip to jamaica is complete without visiting dunns river falls...
.. i am a quiet guy too... but i love to share my training...
having ur pics up on the web isnt a big thing...
mine are on the web for other reasons .. so why not some for training...
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mmm good good make sure you go to montego bay... doctors cave beach... and on the strip called bottom reoad.. the night life is LIVE..
and no trip to jamaica is complete without visiting dunns river falls...
.. i am a quiet guy too... but i love to share my training...
having ur pics up on the web isnt a big thing...
mine are on the web for other reasons .. so why not some for training...
you have an excellent phyique.... but why not eat more than 2 meals per day and put on some more mass?? or do you not want to get any bigger?
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mmm wsup benjamom thx
i dont have the appetite to eat all those meals.. plus im not a bber..
i dont want to be big with no shape..
trust me in person i am not a smal person
over 18 and a half plus arms which are really cut.. i look plenty big... big chest and back all cut.. at 5 11
..i dont mind being bigger but i want that to be a gradual process...
i dont belive in wathing calorie intake all that business.. i just enjoy life man there is more to life than being big...
but that all being said i know for what i do in the gym ideally i should eat more...
but i look ok... so i just go with the flow..works for me
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To shoulders ????
Try to triceps
You guys really know shit it seems
Obviously not locking out is harder and lets you get less reps with less weight
It's no 'I think that' question
Well... tell this to Branch Warren who gets out as many reps as he does by only locking out on the last rep. Ronnie does it a bit too: throwing the weight around using momentum. If he locked out every time his reps would be halved.
P.S. Meltdown mate
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.. ok fine i can respect that....
i just find it bizarre someone callin bullshit to a 315 bench???
anyway i will be puttin up stuff from time to time.. and yes i agree i love my food ay too much to diet as well...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gym.jpg)
someone post a pic of fartfather to make the needed comparison...
he said mesmorph was looking like a "skinny ####"...
funny, he didnt post anything else since meso posted his pic ::)
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Well... tell this to Branch Warren who gets out as many reps as he does by only locking out on the last rep. Ronnie does it a bit too: throwing the weight around using momentum. If he locked out every time his reps would be halved.
P.S. Meltdown mate
What about doing what works best?
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i agree but
some of the form i have seen used by johnnie and branch... doesnt fall into the category of not locking out... its just not anywhere near a full rep less than half way at times.. but it works for them so....
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