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Getbig Female Info Boards => Figure, Bikini and Fitness Info and Discussions => Topic started by: tigereyes on April 09, 2007, 06:01:33 AM
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Anyone know what pro figure girls will be competing?
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Anyone know what pro figure girls will be competing?
Nina Morgan is one girl who will be making her pro debut at the Pittsburgh Pro. Nina won her height class at the '06 Figure Nationals .
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a few more...
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I heard Irina Mishina is making her Pro Debut!!!
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http://www.bodysport.com/contests.html
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Anyone know what pro figure girls will be competing?
http://blog.bodybuilding.com/ProAmContests/category/pro-am/pittsburgh-pro/
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http://www.musculardevelopment.com/browse/index.php?mode=contest&eventcode=1057
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http://www.graphicmuscle.com/index.cfm?go2=contests_year&ContestYearID=753
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Irina Mishina in Pittsburgh.
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THANX!!!
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Wow, Irina Looks amazing!!!! :o
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Irina Mishina in Pittsburgh.
Irina really does look incredible!~~
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Irina really does look incredible!~~
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How the hell did she place 16th? Who was judging this thing?
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How the hell did she place 16th? Who was judging this thing?
Judges do not know what to judge. Criteria - are washed away. Game rules constantly vary. Judge judge bodybuilging...
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Judges do not know what to judge. Criteria - are washed away. Game rules constantly vary. Judge judge bodybuilging...
Had she placed in the top 5 they would have known what to judge though, right?
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Had she placed in the top 5 they would have known what to judge though, right?
NOOOOOOT!!!
Figure has to be the most dificult to judge. At least 50% of the women could be 1 - 5 place
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Irina was screwed!! The winner won with no abs and lower belly fat, something is f**ked up!!! Just proves even more so that MOST PRO showers are fixed!!!
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Irina was screwed!! The winner won with no abs and lower belly fat, something is f**ked up!!! Just proves even more so that MOST PRO showers are fixed!!!
My thoughts exactly.
I always though that Europeans were full of shit when they complained that they get screwed here, but after looking at those pictures. Come on!!!!
I saw Irina few times at Diamond and even 3 weeks out she looked better than any of the girls in top 5, especially Shannon, which was an obvious gift.
Pauline from Sweden, Irina from Russian got robbed.
It's a shame that how we treat people with talent. Sonia is a cute girl but she was hardly a top 10 material.
Top 5 in no particular order should've been Pauline, Bernadette, Irina, Natali and Amy.
This show was fixed and if we want to better the sport we have to do something.
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if we want to better the sport we have to do something.
What do you suggest "we" do?
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What do you suggest "we" do?
How about "we" stop kissing ass and admit the obvious. Look at Irina, Pauline and look at any of the top 5 and tell me that you honestly believe that Pauline and Irina are not better than any of them.
The fact remains that judges do whatever the fuck they want.
I guess when something like that happens, fans as well as athletes should voice they opinions openly on boards also e-mails and etc.
I know there is not much, but Europeans come here and sometimes look great and get completely overlooked.
There are a few exceptions but what about Kinska, Mishina, Nordin, Niederhauser, Nelson?
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How about "we" stop kissing ass and admit the obvious. Look at Irina, Pauline and look at any of the top 5 and tell me that you honestly believe that Pauline and Irina are not better than any of them.
The fact remains that judges do whatever the fuck they want.
I guess when something like that happens, fans as well as athletes should voice they opinions openly on boards also e-mails and etc.
I know there is not much, but Europeans come here and sometimes look great and get completely overlooked.
There are a few exceptions but what about Kinska, Mishina, Nordin, Niederhauser, Nelson?
I don't agree with you. Bernadette Galvan looked better than them at this show.
"email and etc" have you done this yet, being the upset fan you are?
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Bernadette looked good but not even close to Irina and if the girl was not Russian but America you would say the same. Actually I take it back. You wouldnt. You were always a kiss ass "company man" asshole so what else to expect from you.
And yes I e-mailed Jim Manion and will E-Mail others too. I know it doesnt count but it's a start. This is bullshit
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Bernadette Galvin looked amazing at this show, I must agree; I do see the improvements.
One thing to recognize about Figure is that it judges the shape of the physique before taking conditioning into consideration. The judges want a very wide shoulder base, swooping lat structure, small waist, and a nice quad sweep that is slightly smaller than the upper body. The taller girls will usually do better because the shorter girls carry more muscle in the lower body (Pauline--a beautiful competitor--being a case in point and someone who probably needs to come into the shows leaner as a result), which overshadows their upper bodies.
Once you understand what Figure actually is and how it is judged for the most part, then you will gain a better understanding of why certain girls place where they do, even if they have better ab structures and more striations than the girls at the top of the ranks. Politics will always be a factor, but there is a bit of rhyme and reason that goes into selecting the various call outs and placings.
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Bernadette looked good but not even close to Irina and if the girl was not Russian but America you would say the same. Actually I take it back. You wouldnt. You were always a kiss ass "company man" asshole so what else to expect from you.
And yes I e-mailed Jim Manion and will E-Mail others too. I know it doesnt count but it's a start. This is bullshit
Bernadette looked great. We disagree, two individuals who see things differently. Why is it so hard to believe that a panel of judges have similar feelings? Oh, right I'm a kiss ass "company man" and my opinion is biased.
I personally like Juliana's look but she didn't make the top 20, does that mean I'm a kiss ass for that opinion as well?
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Irina asked me to thank all the fans for tremendous support she received yesterday.
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Bernadette looked great. We disagree, two individuals who see things differently. Why is it so hard to believe that a panel of judges have similar feelings? Oh, right I'm a kiss ass "company man" and my opinion is biased.
I personally like Juliana's look but she didn't make the top 20, does that mean I'm a kiss ass for that opinion as well?
I agree with you there. Juliana looked great. Easy top 10 and maybe higher.
And I agree with you on Bernadette looking great and deserved top 5 no doubt, but the rest?
Sorry for company man comment, but seeing such obvious crap I got really upset.
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Bernadette Galvin looked amazing at this show, I must agree; I do see the improvements.
One thing to recognize about Figure is that it judges the shape of the physique before taking conditioning into consideration. The judges want a very wide shoulder base, swooping lat structure, small waist, and a nice quad sweep that is slightly smaller than the upper body. The taller girls will usually do better because the shorter girls carry more muscle in the lower body (Pauline--a beautiful competitor--being a case in point and someone who probably needs to come into the shows leaner as a result), which overshadows their upper bodies.
Once you understand what Figure actually is and how it is judged for the most part, then you will gain a better understanding of why certain girls place where they do, even if they have better ab structures and more striations than the girls at the top of the ranks. Politics will always be a factor, but there is a bit of rhyme and reason that goes into selecting the various call outs and placings.
Jodi,
Thanks for making us understand that physiques with no abs and obvious flab are normal for top 5 girls.
Sonia and Shannon are what top 5 should look like and thats the criteria. Not low fat, v-taper, six pack, quad separation and look like the girl actually been to the gym are not standard in IFBB.
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Antonio, that isn't what I said. I stated that figure examines a competitor's shape first and conditioning second. If you were to draw an outline of a competitor's physique and compare it to another competitor's outline, that is the deciding factor in figure. One's conditioning will create that shape, so some girls need to be leaner than others in order to attain that shape, and others work better with a softer look. Conditioning is simply a means to an end in regards to figure. This is opposed to bodybuilding, where conditioning is a primary factor, and the development of the muscle bellies is used to create the X-shape that the judges want.
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I know exactly what Figure means but thanks again for the lesson.
Here is a question who is closer to Monica Brant and Jenny Lynn, Irina and Pauline or Shannon and Sonia?
Either way you look they didnt belong there. Bernadette is much closer in look to top IFBB girls and she resembled more girls who placed out of top 5.
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AntonioC as we can all tell by now, you have a raging hardon for the European women and God Bless ya son, but Pauline did not deserve to be in the top 5 at this show. I like her, she's nice and a very beautiful woman but she was not lean enough to be in the top 5.
What were your top 5 if you were a judge?
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AntonioC as we can all tell by now, you have a raging hardon for the European women and God Bless ya son, but Pauline did not deserve to be in the top 5 at this show. I like her, she's nice and a very beautiful woman but she was not lean enough to be in the top 5.
What were your top 5 if you were a judge?
As I can tell by now, you still cant have a decent "challenge IFBB" debate as for your obvious interest.
I dont care whether it's American or European or Australian athlete, but when you see such obvious screw up, you must state the obvious. By the way if you check Ale'x post about another Russian athlete, I strongly disagreed with him on that one as I said she must first compete agains elite athletes to prove herself.
When you watch the Olympia you see girls like Devana, Jenny, Christine, Monica, Amber placing in the top 5 and they all look like they actually work out. And then at Pittsburgh Pro girls that resemble top 5 at the O dont place, while girls that look that they never stepped in the gym place in top 5.
One more thing if I have a raging hard on as you say for European girls you have an obvious hard on for IFBB.
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And then at Pittsburgh Pro girls that resemble top 5 at the O dont place, while girls that look that they never stepped in the gym place in top 5.
AntonioC, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
(Thank you Billy Madison!)
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Conor, that was a class act response. You should feel alittle smarter now. And this is not about Sonia or anyone in particular, but about how the shows are judged again and again.
Many girls who looked great didnt place and many girls that placed didnt deserve what they got.
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Conor, that was a class act response. You should feel alittle smarter now. And this is not about Sonia or anyone in particular, but about how the shows are judged again and again.
Many girls who looked great didnt place and many girls that placed didnt deserve what they got.
Thanks, but I have to give credit to the script writers of the classics of modern cinema — "Billy Madison" — for it.
And sorry, but when you say something as idiotic as some of the girls in the top 5 look like they've never stepped in a gym, you automatically lose all credibility and all statements henceforth are null and void.
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Conor, I said some of the girls in top 5. And you right they all great athletes but it will always come down to some of the coming in alittle off in any given show.
This is about judging once again. It shouldnt matter if the athlete looked good before or if an athlete competes for a first time. It should be judged on what they look on a day of the show.
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Look it all comes down to who you know. Who your sponsor is and who is backing you. Look at Monica, she won;t win a show cause she shot down Manions son. She has awesome "shape and conditioning" and has gotten screwed numerous times. Its always about who represents you!!! Ask Ron(I think it was him who asked her), a few years ago he asked Monica at O a question, why she kept commin in second or something like that, she declined to comment. Also, Obviously some of you didn't attend the show. The people in the audience when nuts when Irina stepped on stage!!! She looked like she could be top 10 on O stage. Obviously the judges were bias, but what do you expect, this is IFBB. Plus Irina has no sponsor!! Look don't get me wrong, the Girl 's who came in 3rd and I think 4th(mean no disrespect of not remembering your names) looked decent and better then the winner. I think if you want to look more toward "shape", make 2 Different Figure contest. One for Bikini Models where conditioning is second and HIGH BF% is first and for women who have muscles, abs and leg separation and low body fat!!!
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Conor, I said some of the girls in top 5.
I saw Irina few times at Diamond and even 3 weeks out she looked better than any of the girls in top 5, especially Shannon, which was an obvious gift.
Pauline from Sweden, Irina from Russian got robbed.
Sounds like you're making it personal and yes, you did say ANY of the girls in the top 5.
Suprise an outcome to a show that everyone isn't happy with who da thunk it.
Conor - Shampoo goes on before conditioner. ;D
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Who your sponsor is and who is backing you.
I don't recall who Bernadette, Amy, Elisha's sponsors are or who is backing them, mind sharing?
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Antonio C is right about Irina, but dead wrong about Pauline. Pauline's been MUCH sharper in the past, and could legitimately gripe about placings in those shows. However, she was definitely off at this show, and was placed fairly although you could possibly have placed her 2 or 3 spots higher.
I doubt the IFBB judges are biased against Europeans, although one could see how Antonio could have this opinion. I think it's more of that age-old, completely idiotic theory that certain new pros need to "pay their dues" and "let the judges see their faces a couple of times" before they start getting their proper placings. Not all girls, and not every show, but it's as good a guess as any to explain the
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Alex, you just proved my point with that pic of Irina and Natali. Both looked unreal both got screwed. Were they even compared with any of the top 5? I very much doubt they were.
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I agree with you guys on that, Natali and Irina looked unreal, the pic of those two is unreal!!! :o
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Any pics of Pauline??
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Any pics of Pauline??
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/browse/index.php?mode=browse&id=9508
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I like the back and forth. At least people are talking about Figure again. I hope to sponsor a couple of shows some day and I hope my girls get special treatment. Because, it's a lot of money. Ha, Ha, Ha. Just joking. Welcome back Antonio (Dad). I understand your point!!!
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I don't recall who Bernadette, Amy, Elisha's sponsors are or who is backing them, mind sharing?
Still waiting for a response. ;D
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And then at Pittsburgh Pro girls that resemble top 5 at the O dont place, while girls that look that they never stepped in the gym place in top 5.
Well that's a little harsh Antonio ;) Come on now... where are you at where Sonia and Shannon (and the rest of the top 5) don't look like they go to the gym??? I get what your trying to say but come on. They looked great, maybe not as hard as your favorites but they did look great.
Let's not get into putting anyone down! It's subjective remember?
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Still waiting for a response. ;D
Yo lift, my bad son I didn't know you were waitin for my response, I'm not a puppet like you, I'm not out to agree with the wrong!! Cause un like you I don;t work for the Business....Well if they don't have a sponsor, I am sorry. Sorry I was not correct, my bad I feel like a judge I made a BOOBOO!!! Look I get the fact that it was her first show and she has to earn it. But out of top 15... Out of Top 10, that was alittle much. Look we all know this is one of IFBB all time fuck ups.
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Actually, according to her website, Sonia Adcock (the winner) is actually an FMG athlete (as are many of the Manion girls), and they recently got her a contract with Met-rx.
So Gymrat is right.....she does have some of the "right" people behind her... :-X.
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Actually, according to her website, Sonia Adcock (the winner) is actually an FMG athlete (as are many of the Manion girls), and they recently got her a contract with Met-rx.
So Gymrat is right.....she does have some of the "right" people behind her... :-X.
Read what I wrote bright eyes - I don't recall who Bernadette, Amy, Elisha's sponsors are or who is backing them, mind sharing?
Every woman wants a sponsorship and then when the fortunate few get one and they win, people claim that's why she won. It's total bullshit to diminish someone's efforts because they have a sponsorship. Just because they have a sponsorship and "the right management" doesn't mean they are going to win or place.
Give the women a little credit, it all it took was the right sponsor the women wouldn't have to diet, show up with powdered donuts on their suit and take home first every time.
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Every woman wants a sponsorship and then when the fortunate few get one and they win, people claim that's why she won. It's total bullshit to diminish someone's efforts because they have a sponsorship. Just because they have a sponsorship and "the right management" doesn't mean they are going to win or place.
It is impossible to be the winner without the present financial support. The beautiful suit, a make-up, a hairdress, shoes are money. Work of the stylist - money. But... If there are no natural data and desire to train (to work on a victory) - will not help what material support. Forgive for my disgusting English.
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http://bodysport.com/Archives/2007/apr07/features/youbejudge.html
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Let me clarify...
I am not in any way trying to say that any of those ladies did not work their butts off to get where they are. Who am I to say that. All I was doing was responding to the question about who had sponsors. I really couldn't say who "should have" won or placed or anything like that. In all honesty, I don't completely understand how figure is judged and how they determine what is too muscular vs. what is the right shape, etc-. All of those women have great physiques, and really any of them could have been top 5 depending on what specifically is being rewarded that day, and sometimes it seems like that changes from show to show(which is probably the bigger issue here).
Again, don't get me wrong, I am in no way trying to take credit away from the winners. I was just giving Lift an answer to his question.
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Let me clarify...
I am not in any way trying to say that any of those ladies did not work their butts off to get where they are. Who am I to say that. All I was doing was responding to the question about who had sponsors. I really couldn't say who "should have" won or placed or anything like that. In all honesty, I don't completely understand how figure is judged and how they determine what is too muscular vs. what is the right shape, etc-. All of those women have great physiques, and really any of them could have been top 5 depending on what specifically is being rewarded that day, and sometimes it seems like that changes from show to show(which is probably the bigger issue here).
Again, don't get me wrong, I am in no way trying to take credit away from the winners. I was just giving Lift an answer to his question.
LOL! You have yet to provide an answer to my question. Third time might be a charm, I don't recall who Bernadette, Amy, Elisha's sponsors are or who is backing them, mind sharing?
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LOL! You have yet to provide an answer to my question. Third time might be a charm, I don't recall who Bernadette, Amy, Elisha's sponsors are or who is backing them, mind sharing?
You dont recall because they probably dont have one, as you "in the know for sure" being IFBB rep on this board.
The fact remains there were about 30 athletes on stage some better than others and the show was a joke. Maybe it has to do with contracts, maybe not or maybe with previous placings, who knows. All it takes is just to compare some of top 5 girls here with any of the top 5 at the Olympia and it wasnt even close. No way should Shannon be placed even in top 15. Bernadette, Amy were good, so no problem there. The more important question is why Pauline Nordin, Irina Mishina, Juliana Malacarne, Natalie Benson, Mari Kudla placed so low. Either one of them was a lock for top 10. And even though Natalie was 10th there is no way in hell she was not good enough to crack top 5, especially with Shannon being there. I saw comparisons on MD website and they were not even compared with top 5 group. It is a subjective sport, and no athete should be disrespected but these athletes train very hard and deserve to be compared with others and deserve to be placed according to what they look on that given day and not on previous accomplishements or anything else.
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You dont recall because they probably dont have one, as you "in the know for sure" being IFBB rep on this board.
Lift "in the know"???? Hahahaha.... he is a punk.
Please... Don't inflate his ego and make him think he is somebody in the world or BB & Fitness.
Sorry Hinds but I've done waaay more for the sport than you could hope to... Had to bring you back to earth.
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You dont recall because they probably dont have one, as you "in the know for sure" being IFBB rep on this board.
The fact remains there were about 30 athletes on stage some better than others and the show was a joke. Maybe it has to do with contracts, maybe not or maybe with previous placings, who knows. All it takes is just to compare some of top 5 girls here with any of the top 5 at the Olympia and it wasnt even close. No way should Shannon be placed even in top 15. Bernadette, Amy were good, so no problem there. The more important question is why Pauline Nordin, Irina Mishina, Juliana Malacarne, Natalie Benson, Mari Kudla placed so low. Either one of them was a lock for top 10. And even though Natalie was 10th there is no way in hell she was not good enough to crack top 5, especially with Shannon being there. I saw comparisons on MD website and they were not even compared with top 5 group. It is a subjective sport, and no athete should be disrespected but these athletes train very hard and deserve to be compared with others and deserve to be placed according to what they look on that given day and not on previous accomplishements or anything else.
Oh Antonio I see your frustration. I too have been upset over how the judges will place certain athletes over others. I agree with you that Natalie and Juliana should have been in top 5 (at least from the photos). Both in my opinion were phenominal at that show. However, I don't agree with the others you say should have placed higher. Which leads us back to one thing, it is very subjective. Now I know, we all know, there is politics involved, politics play a role in everything in life. You know it can be all about who is your trainer, your manager, your boyfriend, your bootie call, your best friend or the honest winner. You don't get this far in the IFBB and not know this. So if they are there, they choose to be. It's not that I agree with it but it is what it is... You either learn to play by the rules or get out.
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I don't recall who Bernadette, Amy, Elisha's sponsors are...
She is a wonderful young lady, and a friend of mine, so I’m too biased to join this "debate."
But just for the record…
Amy Fry is sponsored by EAS.
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Oh Antonio I see your frustration. I too have been upset over how the judges will place certain athletes over others. I agree with you that Natalie and Juliana should have been in top 5 (at least from the photos). Both in my opinion were phenominal at that show. However, I don't agree with the others you say should have placed higher. Which leads us back to one thing, it is very subjective. Now I know, we all know, there is politics involved, politics play a role in everything in life. You know it can be all about who is your trainer, your manager, your boyfriend, your bootie call, your best friend or the honest winner. You don't get this far in the IFBB and not know this. So if they are there, they choose to be. It's not that I agree with it but it is what it is... You either learn to play by the rules or get out.
Hey Ms Bell!!,
Very Well Stated!!
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You either learn to play by the rules or get out.
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Now now Alex, not quite like that! ;)
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Lift "in the know"???? Hahahaha.... he is a punk.
Please... Don't inflate his ego and make him think he is somebody in the world or BB & Fitness.
Sorry Hinds but I've done waaay more for the sport than you could hope to... Had to bring you back to earth.
Yeah that lift is a real punk. Do you want a Scooby Snack for all you've done for the sport?
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You dont recall because they probably dont have one, as you "in the know for sure" being IFBB rep on this board.
The fact remains there were about 30 athletes on stage some better than others and the show was a joke. Maybe it has to do with contracts, maybe not or maybe with previous placings, who knows. All it takes is just to compare some of top 5 girls here with any of the top 5 at the Olympia and it wasnt even close. No way should Shannon be placed even in top 15. Bernadette, Amy were good, so no problem there. The more important question is why Pauline Nordin, Irina Mishina, Juliana Malacarne, Natalie Benson, Mari Kudla placed so low. Either one of them was a lock for top 10. And even though Natalie was 10th there is no way in hell she was not good enough to crack top 5, especially with Shannon being there. I saw comparisons on MD website and they were not even compared with top 5 group. It is a subjective sport, and no athete should be disrespected but these athletes train very hard and deserve to be compared with others and deserve to be placed according to what they look on that given day and not on previous accomplishements or anything else.
Tony boy have you ever been to a figure competition?
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Oh Antonio I see your frustration. I too have been upset over how the judges will place certain athletes over others. I agree with you that Natalie and Juliana should have been in top 5 (at least from the photos). Both in my opinion were phenominal at that show. However, I don't agree with the others you say should have placed higher. Which leads us back to one thing, it is very subjective. Now I know, we all know, there is politics involved, politics play a role in everything in life. You know it can be all about who is your trainer, your manager, your boyfriend, your bootie call, your best friend or the honest winner. You don't get this far in the IFBB and not know this. So if they are there, they choose to be. It's not that I agree with it but it is what it is... You either learn to play by the rules or get out.
LOL! Your booty call.
Ma Bell nice to see you come back to life here. Now watch that pesky Malibu Barbie will be next.
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Now now Alex, not quite like that! ;)
Actually I think he might be not so far from the truth.
Top 5 should've definately included Juliana, Irina and Natalie. Just check some feedback from people who were there. And if not top 5 then atleast top 10 and that would deefinately have to include Pauline Nordin too. I mean just look at her. Yes she was slightly off but not worse than any of the top 5 except Bernadette and maybe Amy.
So the only logic behind the above mentioned girls not placing how they were actually supposed to has to either be nationality or the fact that they are new to the scene and have to pay their dues. Or like you said somebody's girlfriend, wife, booty call, etc. In either cases it's wrong.
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LOL! Your booty call.
Ma Bell nice to see you come back to life here. Now watch that pesky Malibu Barbie will be next.
Malibu Barbie, I wonder where she is? Her and PBF have been MIA, I miss them both. ;)
Well at least all this "judging" controversy gives us something to bitch about! :-*
So, who do you think will win this years Olympia??? Will Davana come back to regain her title, will they finally give it to Mo the fan favorite? The saga begins ;)
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PBF in da house....
I just sent you a note but to work...
Hmmm judging from the pictures is hard.. I like Bernadette. I am not a fan of Sonias.. she has lovely shoulders but her mid section needs to be slimmer and tighter IMHO and we all got opinions.
I prefer a healthier, more curvier look than a super dry one... mad props to all the ladies though for working so hard.
I would like to see Adela and Val in a line-up... Adela could be both Fitness and Figure O winner
I think she has a nice curvy package, but I love Vals as well...
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figure I compare c figure skating. Estimations - are subjective.
When there is no:
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- is faster
- more strongly
ALWAYS SUBJECTIVELY
To all interlocutors of health, forces and happiness! Yours Iron Bull
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The show to watch will be in Houston where Val, Adela and Monica will all be on the same stage.
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The show to watch will be in Houston where Val, Adela and Monica will all be on the same stage.
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Yeah that lift is a real punk. Do you want a Scooby Snack for all you've done for the sport?
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Sure... sounds good... My snacks vary from day to day though, so the next time I see you I will let you know... might be a Mountain Dew and Snickers who knows.
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The show to watch will be in Houston where Val, Adela and Monica will all be on the same stage.
Daaaaaaayyummmmmmm that is one show I am sad I am going to miss. Those three ladies are going ot ROCK the stage. I can't wait!!! What is the date of that show anyways?
Hi PBF, don't be a stranger, we miss you :-*
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Wow that picture is deceiving... should have made it closer to the true height differences... Adela looks huge and thick when you make her 7 inches taller, and the height diff between Mo and Val is like 3 inches probably. The call out with those 3 will look like an NPC overall comparison with class winners.
Adela and I go waaay back and I love her alot... but if Val is on (not like that one show), and Mo comes prepared to win... I personally think the battle is between those 2.
Adela will have to streamline her shape just a little... I'm not sure her full, rounded muscle will compare well against longer, leaner muscle. Even though that picture is off in height ratio, it does demonstrate what I'm talking about. Adela has a dynamite physique compared to other fitness girls... but in this judging line-up Adela will be standing next to longer, leaner muscle and will look out of place. If the judges do have Adela's physique in first place, it may really mess with the rest of the placings... since they will use Adela as the model and judge backwards from her.
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figure I compare c figure skating. Estimations - are subjective.
When there is no:
- above
- is faster
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ALWAYS SUBJECTIVELY
Oksana has called today and has told: Sonia Adcock - the first 100 %. Beautiful, womanly and.... It is able to behave on a stage. My opinion: Irina Mishina - has a fine figure, the beautiful person and excellent suits... But... Irina should learn to behave on a stage! The beauty should to be able be presented on a stage!!! To all interlocutors of health, forces and happiness! Yours Iron Bull
Sounds to me Oksana is a little jealous of Irina's Success. Who is she to talk about anything will IFBB, she never competed her in the states. What the hell does she know. Jealousy is a cruel thing......sad but true!!!
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Sounds to me Oksana is a little jealous of Irina's Success. Who is she to talk about anything will IFBB, she never competed her in the states. What the hell does she know. Jealousy is a cruel thing......sad but true!!!
You that have not understood! Oksana has told IRINA - BEST!!!! The Rest - my private opinion!
My English - disgusting. And you - are inattentive! And it is a lot of emotions. Emotions not always conduct to success. Calmness! Only calmness!
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Listen Bro, your own Boards in Russia have been expressin how screwed Irina was at Pittsburgh. Me, my Russian not good, you your English not good, I really didn't understand wtf you said. Other then a few words that stuck together in phrases. So here is the moral of the post. I don't post on Russian boards cause I don't know wtf I would be saying, you shouldn't post on English boards cause I don't know what you trying to say. When your own boards are backin Irina and Oksana is dissin one of her own thats just FUCKED UP!! I give her credit she was here for a few days and she learned to AGREE with the wrong and maybe when she competes she won't get fucked over by the Business. But you don't turn on your own people, that rule #1!!! Thats just wrong bro and you know it!!!!
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you shouldn't post on English boards cause I don't know what you trying to say.
Could not disagree more. For one Alex posts a lot of links, pics and does some nice artwork with girls pics. Also, a decade ago, I was told similar type things about my posting, and now its fine, it just all takes time, the net is great to help. Alex is cool by me 8)
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Listen Bro, your own Boards in Russia have been expressin how screwed Irina was at Pittsburgh. Me, my Russian not good, you your English not good, I really didn't understand wtf you said. Other then a few words that stuck together in phrases. So here is the moral of the post. I don't post on Russian boards cause I don't know wtf I would be saying, you shouldn't post on English boards cause I don't know what you trying to say. When your own boards are backin Irina and Oksana is dissin one of her own thats just FUCKED UP!! I give her credit she was here for a few days and she learned to AGREE with the wrong and maybe when she competes she won't get fucked over by the Business. But you don't turn on your own people, that rule #1!!! Thats just wrong bro and you know it!!!!
All of you still are malicious. Vainly. Do not read that that is not written. Irina the big future waits. Good Luck, BRO
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Could not disagree more. For one Alex posts a lot of links, pics and does some nice artwork with girls pics. Also, a decade ago, I was told similar type things about my posting, and now its fine, it just all takes time, the net is great to help. Alex is cool by me 8)
The links and pics that alex posts are great, I agree with you on that. But what did he just try to say cause I can't answer the post if I don't know what it means.
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Could not disagree more. For one Alex posts a lot of links, pics and does some nice artwork with girls pics. Also, a decade ago, I was told similar type things about my posting, and now its fine, it just all takes time, the net is great to help. Alex is cool by me 8)
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Alex is great for the board, no doubt about it. His pictures and input are always fun. He has difficulties expressing himself sometime, but thats not a major problem.
Irina is amazing I agree and definately deserves better, and Oksana has yet to step on stage against best Fitness has to offer. Time will tell.
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Listen Bro, your own Boards in Russia have been expressin how screwed Irina was at Pittsburgh. Me, my Russian not good, you your English not good, I really didn't understand wtf you said. Other then a few words that stuck together in phrases. So here is the moral of the post. I don't post on Russian boards cause I don't know wtf I would be saying, you shouldn't post on English boards cause I don't know what you trying to say. When your own boards are backin Irina and Oksana is dissin one of her own thats just FUCKED UP!! I give her credit she was here for a few days and she learned to AGREE with the wrong and maybe when she competes she won't get fucked over by the Business. But you don't turn on your own people, that rule #1!!! Thats just wrong bro and you know it!!!!
Alex is a huge supporter of the women and had been posting for ages.. not cool to say he should not post... perhaps his english is not good, but just give him a chance
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Alex is a huge supporter of the women and had been posting for ages.. not cool to say he should not post... perhaps his english is not good, but just give him a chance
Is this because he has a thread continually kissing your ass? ::)
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Is this because he has a thread continually kissing your ass? ::)
I with pleasure would kiss Dina on ass. Without a thread.
POCELUI TI MENYA V ZADNICU))
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I with pleasure would kiss Dina on ass. Without a thread.
POCELUI TI MENYA V ZADNICU))
That much is obvious. ::)
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That much is obvious. ::)
There can be it will really...
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Antonio,
First off I am Shannon's husband, and even though you have not been completely fair concerning her I will remain professional and explain, in my opinion, why Irina did not place very well.
I will agree she was in good condition, not to hard, but in my opinion she just about nailed the condition that the IFBB is looking for.
Now the negatives: First off, her suits were not good at all, as a matter of fact they were really bad.
Secondly like many of the European girls her presentation is bad. Part of the problem
is that in Europe and other parts of the world they pose quite different than they do
in the states.
Now in the whole scheme of things you might not think that the negatives are all that important, but when you have 10 seconds to make a first impression on the judges and you walk out in bad suits w/ bad presentation your basically done before you start.
My advice is quit telling everyone including Irina she got screwed and help her improve on the small things and she will do better in the future.
As for Shannon, the judges have always told her your too hard, and as a matter of fact the show she won in Atlanta we felt she was as soft as she had been in any of her shows and she was rewarded.
Like eveyone else we too are constantly trying to figure out exactly what the judges are looking for.
So next show we will be noticeably harder but not overboard.
As for her placing, Shannon does have a very balanced physique and her presentation is flawless.
In all honesty Shannon herself loves some of the other competitors physiques, especially Natalie, but the judges have a slight problem w/ her muscularity. So sometimes what we have come to like and respect in certain physiques is just not what they are looking for.
Oh well my 2 cents.
I guess I am now open for some less than positive replys.
SEE YAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
TRES
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As for her placing, Shannon does have a very balanced physique and her presentation is flawless.
In all honesty Shannon herself loves some of the other competitors physiques, especially Natalie, but the judges have a slight problem w/ her muscularity. So sometimes what we have come to like and respect in certain physiques is just not what they are looking for.
Oh well my 2 cents.
I guess I am now open for some less than positive replys.
SEE YAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
TRES
Tres...
I will be your first response. While I did not see Shannon's physique in Pittsburgh, I am quite familiar with her structure and her typical conditioning... and she has made dramatic changes in her musculature since her Fitness days to fit into the Figure mold, which in itself is a major accomplishment.
I agree with what you said about hardness... Shannon looks dynamite rock hard, but alas that is not what the judges want to see from her in the Figure division. Basically what it comes down to is there are 2 types of girls, those that hit Figure conditioning easily (not as muscular) and those that need to hit a fine line between being rock hard and just soft enough (like Shannon, Jenny Lynn or any girl with a denser muscle base)... these girls need to be just a hair on the soft side of rock hard or they get penalized for being too hard for figure, however if they are 2 or 3 hairs to the softer side they get bashed by fans for being soft and flabby.
Fans need to realize that just like men's bodybuilding, timing that peak conditioning for women is no where near an exact science either. And actually harder for women since quite often their time of the month can roll around complete with water retention just as they prepare to step on stage. Of course those are the things fans don't really care about because it adds reality to the fantasy.
Wow... with my 2 cents and your 2 cents... we almost have a nickel.
I'm not a schmoe... but where Shannon is concerned, maybe!! Ooo Baby!!!
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What’s up gang; Barbie in the dream house. Isaac you trying to rouse me from my slumber and get me into trouble? Shoot, like Ms. Bell said by now I know the rules to this game and try not to cause stress about it. This Pittsburgh show is the Manion’s show so I feel like if you compete in it you should not complain if they do what they want to. It is their ball, their court, and their umpires. This has historically been a showcase of the “new girl in JM Management Co”. I guess Sonia is that girl this year.
It would be cool though if they would let the European’s in on the rulebook before they fly half way across the world to compete. Someone might be nice and let them in on the not so secret of secrets that they haven’t a chance in hell to place in the top five in this show in particular. While someone is at it why don’t they help these girls with informing them of the difference in suit and tanning products in this country? It has just amazed me that the European competitors do not catch on that they are being penalized for this and it further amazes me that the judges do not accept this is the norm in Europe and broaden their perceptions of what is acceptable. While I was at a show in Spain I got used to the cut of the suits and the bronzy, glowy Greek goddess look.
Overall, I was not wowed by any of the competitors. I did like Bernadette, Natalie, Juliana and I will always love the look of Mari, but even they would not ruffle a feather of the usual suspects at the O.
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While someone is at it why don’t they help these girls with informing them of the difference in suit and tanning products in this country? It has just amazed me that the European competitors do not catch on that they are being penalized for this and it further amazes me that the judges do not accept this is the norm in Europe and broaden their perceptions of what is acceptable.
It always amazes me when someone sees a situation such as you mention above... and then follows it up with, "Why doesn't SOMEBODY help them...". Hey step-up to the plate and help them YOURSELF, give them guidance, take them under your wing and welcome them to America!! Oh wait I forgot... if you help them fix their problems there is a chance they could place ahead of you on stage, and thats bad.
I have been backstage at more than my share of shows, and while the IFBB isn't nearly as catty as the NPC... there are obvious little groupings of girls, and the European's are always off alone. And you can hear the other girls talking amongst themselves... "Check out her suit... Look at her color, did she roll around in the mud... What's up with that make-up/hair...". If you truly feel that bad that they don't know any better... GO HELP THEM!
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Oh wait I forgot... if you help them fix their problems there is a chance they could place ahead of you on stage, and thats bad.
Lol...Barbi I didn't know you were competing. Please let me know which show because I am so there!!! Is Ken coming too??? ;)
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Hot Damn
If Barbie is competing I wanna Pro Tan her
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Is this because he has a thread continually kissing your ass? ::)
I never realized that having a fan show appreciation meant he was an ass kisser... That would make Alex a major ass kisser since he supports many many other girls.
get your panties out of a bunch
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Lol...Barbi I didn't know you were competing. Please let me know which show because I am so there!!! Is Ken coming too??? ;)
Michelle... It was meant as a open statement to anyone who says things like that in general. You know like the person who drives down the road and sees someone with car trouble... and says to their passenger, "Gee somebody should help them" and just keeps on going.
But hey, from everything I read on this board thats what its all about anyway... Identify a problem, bring it up on here, bitch and moan about it and then do absolutely nothing to try and correct it... just sit back and assume someone else will... and then bitch some more.
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Michelle... It was meant as a open statement to anyone who says things like that in general. You know like the person who drives down the road and sees someone with car trouble... and says to their passenger, "Gee somebody should help them" and just keeps on going.
But hey, from everything I read on this board thats what its all about anyway... Identify a problem, bring it up on here, bitch and moan about it and then do absolutely nothing to try and correct it... just sit back and assume someone else will... and then bitch some more.
I got you! All though, I still would pay to see MB on stage! ;)
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Michelle... It was meant as a open statement to anyone who says things like that in general. You know like the person who drives down the road and sees someone with car trouble... and says to their passenger, "Gee somebody should help them" and just keeps on going.
But hey, from everything I read on this board thats what its all about anyway... Identify a problem, bring it up on here, bitch and moan about it and then do absolutely nothing to try and correct it... just sit back and assume someone else will... and then bitch some more.
Yet you keep driving by.
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Tres,
I guess there is alight misunderstanding.
Remarks were made towards judging (as usual). I think Barbie is asolutely right when she says that Europeans should "know better".
Also as you said in Europe they do things different, so what you saying is that they spend so much money to come here to compete, but because of their ""European presentation" they will lose. I thought IFBB stands for International, meaning not just USA.
You can argue about the suit, the presentation, etc, but the fact remains that Shannon did not deserve to beat something like 25 girls based on her presentation, which is direct result of her stage experience. Isn't it a physique contest after all and that should count the most. So what you saying is based on presentation, suit and what you call perfect balance (many would disagree here), Shannon deserved to beat Natalie, Mari, Irina and Juliana. Were they even compared? I guess when we see pictures from contest, we should just ignore physiques as obviously suits, presentation are far more important.
We could go on and on about this, but whats the point.
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I never realized that having a fan show appreciation meant he was an ass kisser... That would make Alex a major ass kisser since he supports many many other girls.
get your panties out of a bunch
Well said.
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They really do treat the International Girls Badly backstage. I always make time to spend with them. Alexis too.
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Yet you keep driving by.
Hey I at least acknowledged I saw you when I honked and flipped you off... I admit you did seem to be having trouble putting that spare on, I should have been nicer, sorry!!
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Tres,
I guess there is alight misunderstanding.
Remarks were made towards judging (as usual). I think Barbie is asolutely right when she says that Europeans should "know better".
Also as you said in Europe they do things different, so what you saying is that they spend so much money to come here to compete, but because of their ""European presentation" they will lose. I thought IFBB stands for International, meaning not just USA.
You can argue about the suit, the presentation, etc, but the fact remains that Shannon did not deserve to beat something like 25 girls based on her presentation, which is direct result of her stage experience. Isn't it a physique contest after all and that should count the most. So what you saying is based on presentation, suit and what you call perfect balance (many would disagree here), Shannon deserved to beat Natalie, Mari, Irina and Juliana. Were they even compared? I guess when we see pictures from contest, we should just ignore physiques as obviously suits, presentation are far more important.
We could go on and on about this, but whats the point.
Nicley said!!!!
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Tres,
I guess there is alight misunderstanding.
Remarks were made towards judging (as usual). I think Barbie is asolutely right when she says that Europeans should "know better".
Also as you said in Europe they do things different, so what you saying is that they spend so much money to come here to compete, but because of their ""European presentation" they will lose. I thought IFBB stands for International, meaning not just USA.
You can argue about the suit, the presentation, etc, but the fact remains that Shannon did not deserve to beat something like 25 girls based on her presentation, which is direct result of her stage experience. Isn't it a physique contest after all and that should count the most. So what you saying is based on presentation, suit and what you call perfect balance (many would disagree here), Shannon deserved to beat Natalie, Mari, Irina and Juliana. Were they even compared? I guess when we see pictures from contest, we should just ignore physiques as obviously suits, presentation are far more important.
We could go on and on about this, but whats the point.
Antonio,
Well thanks for at least responding professionally.
Yes it is a physique contest. But the judges can only judge what is presented to them.
You may know Irina's physique (for example), and may know her condition, but the judges do not. If she presents herself poorly then yes she will not do well. If Jay Cutler who has argueably some of the best legs in BB, never flexed his legs in any front pose then he would never win even if we all know his legs are crazy hard and seperated.
So yes unfortunatley some great physiques don't score well, so YES presentation might just be the most important element of the contest. Now I'm not stupid you have to have a body to present and be in good condition to start with.
I'll give you a better example. Sonia who I thought was a deserving winner is weakest from the front. From the front there are girls who have better shape. Her legs need some sweep and she lacks adequate calf size.
However, from the sides and the back (even w/ weak calfs) she is smokin and hard to beat. Well, check out all of Sonia's individual pics from MD nothing head on. Everything is from the side, twisting or from the back. Presentation, presentation, presentation. Sonia knows her weak points and her strong points and 99% of the time the judges saw what Sonia wanted them to, side and back. Smart girl and a deserving winner.
Now you can argue a good judge should be able to see the weak points in a physique and they do. but if the athlete can showcase her stronpoints the majorityof the time she will do well.
Again, yes the sport is International, but lets face it the judges are Americans and use to a certain way of doing things. So again it will do you NO good to bash the system on an internet board, but it will definitely help Irina if you help her w/ her suit selection and presentation.
Again thanks for the conversation. I understand your points, I hope you hear mine.
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The international in IFBB is all well and good, the organisation has heavily American leanings, even from the start with the huge amount of pro cards available to Americans vs. other nationalities. I don't think many people are under the illusion it is *really* international. Myself, I try to accomodate my competitive style to wherever in the world I am competing....is always best.
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Just another side note to let you know I have nothing against the European girls.
Inga Nerverauskaite, stayed w/ Shannon and I for two weeks last year during her USA contest run.
We worked w/ Inga everyday on her presentation as it was different than what she was used to.
It also took us countless hours to convince her that the cut of her suits were not what the American judges were lokking for.
We also had a hell of a time convincing her NOT to use dreamtan, because it gives the physique a bronzed smoothed out appearance. However Inga had always ued dreamtan and it was not easy to convince her otherwise.
Now Shannon and I would never take credit for Inga's success. The girl is beautiful and has a smokin physique. However, my first encounter w/ Inga was the Charlotte Pro which I helped promote.
I looked on stage (during a brief moment of downtime), called over Shannon and pointed out Inga and said who the hell is that and why is she not in the first callout. Well the first glaring reason the cut of her suit, the next her presentation was all wrong. Here is a physique that was good as any on the stage that night but what she presented to the judges was not a great physique at all.
Well with a few minor suit changes and some presentation lessons Inga came back in 2006 had a great year and qualified for the "O".
Inga is one of the kindest people Shannon and I have ever met in the industry, and we were like proud parents watching her grace the Olympia Stage.
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I never realized that having a fan show appreciation meant he was an ass kisser... That would make Alex a major ass kisser since he supports many many other girls.
get your panties out of a bunch
How many others have a 500 page thread courtesy of "comrade Alex". ::)
I wear briefs. ;)
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How many others have a 500 page thread courtesy of "comrade Alex". ::)
I wear briefs. ;)
Briefs dont get in a bunch just like your panties did.
If you bother to look at other boards, you would see that he pays homage to many other ladies... he posts on this thread.. which mind you was not even started by him becaue he knows I moderate this board and read it.
I still dont get your issue with me or Alex.. get your research right next time
cheerio and let me know if you need me to pick the panties out of your ass
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Briefs dont get in a bunch just like your panties did.
If you bother to look at other boards, you would see that he pays homage to many other ladies... he posts on this thread.. which mind you was not even started by him becaue he knows I moderate this board and read it.
I still dont get your issue with me or Alex.. get your research right next time
cheerio and let me know if you need me to pick the panties out of your ass
Again, I don't wear panties baby. What part do you not understand? Instead of "picking panties out of asses", you CAN lick my hairy balls. ;)
All this fussing over figure placings...don't you all know by now it is all about the "management", "trainers", who you know, and who you blow? ::)
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i would love to do something to ur balls darling.. come over if you dare ;D
you can also prove you dont wear panties.... which i believe you do
as for placings... pish posh I dont care about them.. duh..
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What placings?? ;)
L.J
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Again, I don't wear panties baby. What part do you not understand? Instead of "picking panties out of asses", you CAN lick my hairy balls. ;)
All this fussing over figure placings...don't you all know by now it is all about the "management", "trainers", who you know, and who you blow? ::)
don't forget Manion Jr.... :-X ::)
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don't forget Manion Jr.... :-X ::)
I stated "management", bro. Make reading comprehension your friend. ;)
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Tres,
You said it all. And now I actually agree with you to some extent.
Inga didnt do well at the O, even though deserved much higher placing, however a week later in Holland she took first place. One may argue that the field was mostly European girls but then it sends the message that even though they are all IFBB pros, they still not as good as American girls. It does send wrong message. All I was trying to say is that there is serious problem with judging. But thats nothing new.
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All I was trying to say is that there is serious problem with judging. But thats nothing new.
Have you volunteered and been a test judge for the NPC yet?
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Have you volunteered and been a test judge for the NPC yet?
You...are a fuckin' moron.
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You...are a fuckin' moron.
Couldnt agree more.
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Again, yes the sport is International, but lets face it the judges are Americans and use to a certain way of doing things. So again it will do you NO good to bash the system on an internet board, but it will definitely help Irina if you help her w/ her suit selection and presentation.
Solid Attitude - Uncle (SAM????)! You when wrote about suits for Irina were drunk? I understand so - you one of judges. From those judges which else before competitions have placed girls in places?
A short question...
You the selling judge?
Irina had excellent suits. But when places are placed in advance...
Solid Attitude - Good luck, do not cough.
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Solid Attitude - Uncle (SAM????)! You when wrote about suits for Irina were drunk? I understand so - you one of judges. From those judges which else before competitions have placed girls in places?
A short question...
You the selling judge?
Irina had excellent suits. But when places are placed in advance...
Solid Attitude - Good luck, do not cough.
Really, can't understand a word you just said.
But, no I don't drink, yes her suits were bad and she needs to learn how to present herself.
Again, if you would take the comments in a positive manner, you would try to help Irina fix these minor details, and quit crying politics.
I mean think about it, do you think you may be a tad bias. I know I am when it comes to Shannon.
Every show I have ever attended in my life someone got screwed and it's all political.
I think the judges are use to it so your insults will fall on deaf ears.
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Solid Attitude - A short question...
You the selling judge?
Irina had excellent suits. But when places are placed in advance...
Solid Attitude - Good luck, do not cough.
Alex... Like Tres (Solid Attitude), I don't really understand what you were saying either.
But I have known Tres for many years and consider him one of the most honest and honorable people in this business.
His opinions are always right on the money, so taking his advice might be worth a try.
He himself is a competitor and has been overlooked on stage at various shows... so he is speaking not just as the husband of a competitor, but also as a competitor himself.
As a trainer he has worked with many top competitors over the years, so he does have the experience and knowledge to give advice. And like you he gets upset when he sees girls he has trains or knows get overlooked on stage... but in a day or 2 he is over it and looking at making improvements/adjustments for the next show. The Pittsburgh show was a week ago, it's time to adjust and move on to the next show and see what happens there.
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Hmmmmmm, where did Lee's post go??? ;)
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What is FIGURE (bodyfitness)? Feminity, elegance, symmetry, the harmony, an attractive FAULTLESS body without fat, with "sports legs".
Are not welcomed: narrow shoulders and a narrow back, very wide a hip, the high level of muscular development, "poor-quality" muscles or is "too much" muscles, presence of tattooes and veins.
I have told clearly?
To criteria of an estimation:
1. Proportions.
2. An admissible condition of muscles (approaches given girl)
3. Quality (I understand a tone, depth of study of the muscles, necessary separation as it).
4. Submission (under it I understand suits, a hairdress, skill to move on a stage, a make-up)
5. Presentableness (it is beauty, internal charm, skill to draw looks of judges)
I have told clearly?
Also I smile... In the USA do not know that such a dope-control. In the Europe - know.
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Let's wait for following show?
HA-HA :-\
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All will be good!!
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Hmmmmmm, where did Lee's post go??? ;)
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I agree...its MIA, Lee where did it go ???
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Hmmmmmm, where did Lee's post go??? ;)
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The truth (that JMP get's preferential treatment) is too hard to handle for some.
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Tbh, just for me I never get into the whole figure judging thing. Unlike bodybuilding where size and being ripped are definitive indicators of quality, and fitness greater flexibility, power and strength etc are their indicators of higher quality....figure does not have that. So, I just go with the flow, as yes there are clear cut cases of some people being better, but generally to me it is really more a case of personal preference. Plus, I can only watch so many quarter turns before I start daydreaming anyway.
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Scooby
In Russian "HUSBAND and the WIFE - ONE SATANA!" (Solid Attitude - Shannon Meteraud)
Alex... I have no idea what Carlos Santana has to do with this or what you meant.
But I can tell you this, In American... they may be husband and wife... but they are 2 very different people who rarely have even the same opinion most of the time. It's rare anywhere to find a couple that is so different and yet so good together... especially in this industry!!
Trust me if Shannon is off on stage or does something wrong Tres does not keep it to himself, he is the first to let her know. So with these 2... husband and wife doesn't apply to each others stage presence and conditioning. Anyone who knows them will tell you this.
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Alex... I have no idea what Carlos Santana has to do with this or what you meant.
But I can tell you this, In American... they may be husband and wife... but they are 2 very different people who rarely have even the same opinion most of the time. It's rare anywhere to find a couple that is so different and yet so good together... especially in this industry!!
Trust me if Shannon is off on stage or does something wrong Tres does not keep it to himself, he is the first to let her know. So with these 2... husband and wife doesn't apply to each others stage presence and conditioning. Anyone who knows them will tell you this.
"Satana - Santana". Words are played.
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I respect with opinion of other people. However... If the opinion proceeds from the party which in business (the husband and the wife) - it, as a rule is subjective!!
Who will answer questions:
Why in NPC and in PRO there is no dope-control, and over amateurs - is? Why Mary Lado hesitates of the place in the World championship in 2004?
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Why in NPC and in PRO there is no dope-control, and over amateurs - is? Why Mary Lado hesitates of the place in the World championship in 2004?
Something I have always found interesting...the disparity of testing between nations while all under the same IFBB/NPC banner.
I am liable to be called at 24 hrs notice to be drug tested at any point of the year and failing or refusing renders me suspended for 2 years. In my region, we must provide certification of being drug free to even *enter* the pro qualifier. These aren't some pseudo drug tests, they test for the full range including rec drugs, ephedra and even high levels of caffeine.
Interesting as this is dictated to the 38 nations of my region, but not on others. I feel these disparities of testing contribute to the strength of certain nations, as it put others at distinct disadvantages.
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Something I have always found interesting...the disparity of testing between nations while all under the same IFBB/NPC banner.
I am liable to be called at 24 hrs notice to be drug tested at any point of the year and failing or refusing renders me suspended for 2 years. In my region, we must provide certification of being drug free to even *enter* the pro qualifier. These aren't some pseudo drug tests, they test for the full range including rec drugs, ephedra and even high levels of caffeine.
Interesting as this is dictated to the 38 nations of my region, but not on others. I feel these disparities of testing contribute to the strength of certain nations, as it put others at distinct disadvantages.
In the Europe under an interdiction even Lasix, and in America leaders ABOUT... It apply.
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Just like in the video about coming back to the IFBB. ::) You should worry about keeping your 2 remaining contracts in the industry instead of worrying about your ex's management.
Has received here such letter:
Hello,
Pease check out this website http://www.pdi-france.com/Fitness.htm (http://www.pdi-france.com/Fitness.htm)
Maybe you know some nice fitness girls that would be interested to compete in our show just before the PDI men Grand Prix in the south of France.
This Fitness contest aim is to set next year a pro women Fitness category open to all international girls who is at least national champion .
Thx Raph-
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hope i dont get deleted at the rate this is going..lol
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Just curious why the truth always gets deleted from this board???
Everyone deserves to know what really goes on in bb shows. I compete in the NPC and it is also who you know and who your trainer/nutritionist is as to how you place in a show. Amazing how these girls also get features in the magazines....hmmmmm. ??? Girls have told me that their "coach" really sucks but they keep them around because of who they know and the extra work they get.
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Just curious why the truth always gets deleted from this board???
Everyone deserves to know what really goes on in bb shows. I compete in the NPC and it is also who you know and who your trainer/nutritionist is as to how you place in a show. Amazing how these girls also get features in the magazines....hmmmmm. ??? Girls have told me that their "coach" really sucks but they keep them around because of who they know and the extra work they get.
I will point out that generally features in mags like Oxygen, IronMan, MMI, and Curves usually have nothing to do with whom you train with. I have been in them all and it has to do with how well you sell the magazine... having a good reputation and relationship with the staff there helps too.
As for the rest.. see my comment
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Milos Sarcev:
Judging FIGURE COMPETITIONS (http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=5223.0)
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I will point out that generally features in mags like Oxygen, IronMan, MMI, and Curves usually have nothing to do with whom you train with. I have been in them all and it has to do with how well you sell the magazine... having a good reputation and relationship with the staff there helps too.
As for the rest.. see my comment
Yeah, maybe generally. I'm not going to mention names but having one of the top 2 figure nutritionist/trainers HAS gotten a few of my friends in the mags. One girl told me herself that's how she got in and why she used this person. I'm sure there are exceptions and some really do look good and deserve it, but there are always a few who don't.
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your statement applies to pretty much everything in life... who you know and what you can do for them... or what they can do for you... that is what makes the world go round. We all wish everything was based on merit, but that is not the case... and in our little industry where everything is very subjective... it makes more sense
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Yeah, maybe generally. I'm not going to mention names but having one of the top 2 figure nutritionist/trainers HAS gotten a few of my friends in the mags. One girl told me herself that's how she got in and why she used this person. I'm sure there are exceptions and some really do look good and deserve it, but there are always a few who don't.
You sound a little jealous, maybe your should get a different pro bodybuilder boyfriend and you too can get in the magazines.
Getting in the magazines requires more than just having Kim Oddo or Mike Davies as a trainer.
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The truth (that JMP get's preferential treatment) is too hard to handle for some.
F U CK AGIN THEY GET DELETED I CAN KEEP DOING THIS ALL DAY ...JUST SHOWS THEY DONT WANT THE TRUTH TO BE KNOWN......ASSHOLES..... .WHAT A BUNCH OF WANKERS
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You sound a little jealous, maybe your should get a different pro bodybuilder boyfriend and you too can get in the magazines.
Getting in the magazines requires more than just having Kim Oddo or Mike Davies as a trainer.
It's good to see we've gotten to the point of naming names in this thread. :D
F U CK AGIN THEY GET DELETED I CAN KEEP DOING THIS ALL DAY ...JUST SHOWS THEY DONT WANT THE TRUTH TO BE KNOWN......ASSHOLES..... .WHAT A BUNCH OF WANKERS
Uhh..isn't your ex one of the mods here, Lee? :-X
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F U CK AGIN THEY GET DELETED I CAN KEEP DOING THIS ALL DAY ...JUST SHOWS THEY DONT WANT THE TRUTH TO BE KNOWN......ASSHOLES..... .WHAT A BUNCH OF WANKERS
Yeah, most people know the truth, but not may people willing to tell it like it is!!!
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Yeah, most people know the truth, but not may people willing to tell it like it is!!!
WELL UNTIL THEY DO ...THEY WILL KEEP GETTING SCREWED OVER AND OVER AGAIN...........
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Alex, she looks good, i've seen her in NJ, she is a stripper in a club. keep up the good work
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Alex, she looks good, i've seen her in NJ, she is a stripper in a club. keep up the good work
I don't know who you're talking about, but strip clubs (go-go bars) in NJ are filled with Russian strippers. Alex would feel right at home. :D
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I don't know who you're talking about, but strip clubs (go-go bars) in NJ are filled with Russian strippers. Alex would feel right at home. :D
American uncle! I am Russian. I live and I shall live in Russia. I have served in the Military marine fleet of Russia of 15 years. I remember " cold war ". A striptease? I laugh. To look in the face and tell to me such, instead of to write in INTERNET. I simply would tear off to you a head.
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American uncle! I am Russian. I live and I shall live in Russia. I have served in the Military marine fleet of Russia of 15 years. I remember " cold war ". A striptease? I laugh. To look in the face and tell to me such, instead of to write in INTERNET. I simply would tear off to you a head.
Hey comrade Alexi, chill out mang! I was just making a statement about all the lovely Russian ladies who inhabit New Jersey's finest strip club establishments. Why the hostility? :P
I'm impressed, yet not intimidated by your pic. Besides having the ability to defend myself, my glock has the uncanny ability to pierce through muscle. :o
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ok back on track kidos
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ok back on track kidos
kidos))
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Alex, she looks good, i've seen her in NJ, she is a stripper in a club. keep up the good work
huge difference between stripper and go go dancer. check your facts.
now how is it related to discussing figure competition?
there are girls that do all kind of stuff to make a living, but how and what they do is really non of our business.
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WELL UNTIL THEY DO ...THEY WILL KEEP GETTING SCREWED OVER AND OVER AGAIN...........
you absolutely right, as the state of bodybuilding and figure is ridiculous. it's a mess. but what do you honestly think can be done, as the ones that get screwed are ignored when they complain and the ones getting gifts wont do a thing for reasons that are perfectly clear.
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American uncle! I am Russian. I live and I shall live in Russia. I have served in the Military marine fleet of Russia of 15 years. I remember " cold war ". A striptease? I laugh. To look in the face and tell to me such, instead of to write in INTERNET. I simply would tear off to you a head.
Sorry to take thread back offtrack, but epic post from Alex...I love it haha!
To get back on track, something I have read posted by Jodi Miller before which I think is so valid. She said to compete for yourself, and let the placings only be icing on the cake. It can always be frustrating the judging, but if you took the stage and looked great - always be proud of that.
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huge difference between stripper and go go dancer. check your facts.
now how is it related to discussing figure competition?
there are girls that do all kind of stuff to make a living, but how and what they do is really non of our business.
Huge difference? OOOOKAY. ::)
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Huge difference? OOOOKAY. ::)
go go dancer - not naked
stripper - naked
there are bodybuilders that dance too and there are even athletes that do much more than dance, but again how is it relevant to figure competitions? or should it influence the placing too?
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Sorry to take thread back offtrack, but epic post from Alex...I love it haha!
To get back on track, something I have read posted by Jodi Miller before which I think is so valid. She said to compete for yourself, and let the placings only be icing on the cake. It can always be frustrating the judging, but if you took the stage and looked great - always be proud of that.
not true. we all train to win. we spend alot of time and money getting ready for shows and we do it to win. so i dont think that any figure competitor who loses the show because someone's boyfriend, husband, sponsor or friend has something to do about it would be happy with such outcome, just because she looks great.
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go go dancer - not naked
stripper - naked
I know this, and that ain't a huge difference, babe. ;) Especially when many of them engage in the exact same
"activities" when offstage.
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not true. we all train to win. we spend alot of time and money getting ready for shows and we do it to win. so i dont think that any figure competitor who loses the show because someone's boyfriend, husband, sponsor or friend has something to do about it would be happy with such outcome, just because she looks great.
LOL, calm down, I was trying to make a positive point, as I personally attempt to have a positive outlook much of the time. Yeah we all compete to win, but let's be real, a win at NPC level means a trophy, hardly a millon dollar prize that. Also, as I have said before figure is so subjective, it is hard to quantify the judging. Every show there can only be one overall winner, so that means plenty of women will be dissapointed if there only goal is to win, and not any personal satisfaction....
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I know this, and that ain't a huge difference, babe. ;) Especially when many of them engage in the exact same
"activities" when offstage.
have you witnessed MANY of the girls engage in those "activities". trust me when i say this but not all girls sluts only because they dance.
actually your comments are quite offensive and completely out of line.
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LOL, calm down, I was trying to make a positive point, as I personally attempt to have a positive outlook much of the time. Yeah we all compete to win, but let's be real, a win at NPC level means a trophy, hardly a millon dollar prize that. Also, as I have said before figure is so subjective, it is hard to quantify the judging. Every show there can only be one overall winner, so that means plenty of women will be dissapointed if there only goal is to win, and not any personal satisfaction....
i was talking only about the fact that you said that we should be happy that we look good and thats all. you right there can only be winner, and not all the shows are fixed but it does happen alot.
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have you witnessed MANY of the girls engage in those "activities". trust me when i say this but not all girls sluts only because they dance.
actually your comments are quite offensive and completely out of line.
Uhh...yes I have. ;) What I was referring to is part of the job and how many make most of their money. I wasn't necessarily talking about sex, so that's where your mind went, not mine.
I never stated ALL girls that dance are sluts. I have an ex and a couple of friends that strip dance. Again, who's throwing out the names?
I could care less if you find what I said offensive. I speak truth because I know that scene. Well. ;D
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i was talking only about the fact that you said that we should be happy that we look good and thats all. you right there can only be winner, and not all the shows are fixed but it does happen alot.
Sorry to seem argumentative, but I actually did not say that, I said 'compete for yourself and let placings be icing on the cake' and 'to be proud of looking good'....I would never state just be happy to look good, as I do subscribe to the notion of aiming high.
Btw, welcome, so few females here always nice to see more ;)
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Uhh...yes I have. ;) What I was referring to is part of the job and how many make most of their money. I wasn't necessarily talking about sex, so that's where your mind went, not mine.
I never stated ALL girls that dance are sluts. I have an ex and a couple of friends that strip dance. Again, who's throwing out the names?
I could care less if you find what I said offensive. I speak truth because I know that scene. Well. ;D
how great that you are so knowledgeble on the subject, but you still a rude, sexist and disrespectful. would be much more helpful if you would stay on the subject of figure and fitness as some of your posts were actually right on the money on the subject of our sport
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Sorry to seem argumentative, but I actually did not say that, I said 'compete for yourself and let placings be icing on the cake' and 'to be proud of looking good'....I would never state just be happy to look good, as I do subscribe to the notion of aiming high.
Btw, welcome, so few females here always nice to see more ;)
thank you for the welcome. sorry if I misunderstood your position.
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how great that you are so knowledgeble on the subject, but you still a rude, sexist and disrespectful.
I love you too, baby. :-*
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I love you too, baby. :-*
feeling is mutual :-*
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thank you for the welcome. sorry if I misunderstood your position.
Hey no problem, sorry if I came across bitchy ;D
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As someone who has had to learn the hard way to compete only for herself, I'm here to tell you it can be done. You just have to change your mindset; if you don't, you will forever be a hamster in the NPC wheel, allowing others to determine when you can run out of your cage.
There are politics. There is subjectivity. There is favoritism. As Dina pointed out, those three factors are evident in almost every sport, every job, every faction of life. It's just that the more subjective an activity is, the more evident these three things become when determining who wins the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow--whether it be in a sport or a career or a social group.
I would say train to win...aim for first place...reach sky high...grab the top prize. But this isn't an industry in which those statements can become reality just with hard work and skill. Because our placings aren't determined by hard work and/or skill and are instead based upon a very superficial, mere shell of our existence, we have to accept the fact that we become winners simply by reaching our own goals. Thus, first place truly is icing on the proverbial cake.
I've won. I've lost. I've placed in between. So I know firsthand that in the end, you have to compete for you or you will lose your sanity in the NPC/IFBB. Until there is a solid rubric of judging standards and weighted percentages of judges' expectations, we can rarely expect to see fair and consistent judging across the board of this organization.
The more subjective an activity is, the more objective the judging criteria must be. Change that, and you change the role that politics and favoritism play, no matter the activity.
Think about it this way: there's no true money in this anyway, at least not the kind that will help you to invest in your future, to build a retirement safety net, to sustain a higher expectation of living. In the end, it's all for the accolades, which mostly occur within. The way I see it, my self-worth and pride are bigger, more meaningful prizes than any trophy.
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The way I see it, my self-worth and pride are bigger, more meaningful prizes than any trophy.
Jodi!!!
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