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http://articulatedissent.com/docs/BartmerInterview.html
9/11 First Responder Craig Barmer Interview
Craig Bartmer is a 9/11 First Responder and a Ground Zero worker. Like the other workers and the rest of New York, he believed the EPA when they announced that the air at Ground Zero is safe. As a result, he now has lung problems that cost him his job as a NYPD Officer and may require a lung transplant. He witnessed the collapse of Tower 7 and believes the building was taken down by controlled demolition. He discusses the toxic aesbestos conditions that have made 70% of the heros who worked Ground Zero sick.
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Attn neotaints:
Is this member of the NYPD lying?
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former member ... the department forced him out to avoid paying him an 80% IRB pension for life
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Attn neotaints:
Is this member of the NYPD lying?
No. He is talking about something which he could not understand...just like you. Ok, he may have been witnessing many incidents like 9/11, so he could have expertise to use to base of his comments...wait a minute...that was first time that has happened...SO he must be a genius, because he has gain those expertise instantly, while there was raining people who has jump out from buildings, when one his national monument was on fire, and when there were a chaos which you could never understand. As an simple police officer he have shown some incredible knowledge about collapsing skyscrapers.
Anyway, it is enough of this 9/11 crap all ready, so I ask only one simple question:
Which would be good enough evidence to prove you, that 9/11 were terrorist act made by Binladen and his simple little ragheads? Think hard for few weeks before answering this, and be careful or you could sprain you drains. Then you can read answer below:
There simply couldn't be such evidence. You have swallow the hook so deep, that there isn't no way in hell to pull it back. You believe this shit so deeply, that you world would collapse if someone could show you some indisputable evidence which prove that your theory is just some propagandist lies.
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Does he have a starring role in Michael Moores next movie?
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GF,
I'd like to know why the FAA supervisor who destoryed recordings that morning was not prosecuted.
*IF* there was a concerted effort to call off the fighter jets (you know, the ones that were travelling 1875 mph towards their tagets before stopping and circling in the ocean until after the planes hit), then these tapes would show it.
He broke the tapes, tore out the reels, cut it into pieces, then threw it away in various trash cans around the building. I'm sorry, but I do not see how bin laden convinced this man to do that.
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GF,
I'd like to know why the FAA supervisor who destoryed recordings that morning was not prosecuted.
*IF* there was a concerted effort to call off the fighter jets (you know, the ones that were travelling 1875 mph towards their tagets before stopping and circling in the ocean until after the planes hit), then these tapes would show it.
He broke the tapes, tore out the reels, cut it into pieces, then threw it away in various trash cans around the building. I'm sorry, but I do not see how bin laden convinced this man to do that.
Sounds like tons of people were involved in all this coverup. Its hard to keep one voice quiet and you have like jillions of people involved in this super scheme. its ridiculous nonsense, all of it.
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Sounds like tons of people were involved in all this coverup. Its hard to keep one voice quiet and you have like jillions of people involved in this super scheme. its ridiculous nonsense, all of it.
rooster, grow the fuck up for 5 minutes. i'm not talking about a jillion people, i'm talking about 1.
why would this guy destory CRUCIAL evidence like this?
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former member ... the department forced him out to avoid paying him an 80% IRB pension for life
he was fired by a psychologist. he appealed, and another psychologist gave the same answer. he could have chosen anyone he wanted to for the appeal so dont act like its a coverup... his pension would have been for about 30,000.. at the time the department was almost 45,000 officers. you think they gave a shit about his pension when half the guys are getting double? if they wanted to "silence" this guy they could have just put him on patroll in jamaica queens and let some thug kill him.
lets say this guy is telling the truth. why hasnt he been silenced? why do they allow him to talk? they can silence everyone else but not this guy?
how come nobody else is comming forward?
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the cover up has nothing to do with him being fired dumbass.... i mentioned that because its a shitty way to get treated when you get sick form your job and i clearly said it was to avoid paying him 80% IRB
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rooster, grow the fuck up for 5 minutes. i'm not talking about a jillion people, i'm talking about 1.
why would this guy destory CRUCIAL evidence like this?
Me grow up? dude, you are the one living in fantasy land. I think you watched too many episodes of 24 myself.
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the cover up has nothing to do with him being fired dumbass.... i mentioned that because its a shitty way to get treated when you get sick form your job and i clearly said it was to avoid paying him 80% IRB
he got fired because he could no longer do his job. they could give two shits about paying his irb. theres a few hundred thousand pensions the city is paying. why would they care about the shit money this guy would get?
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there are at least 2 kinda coverups rob:
1) people covering the fact they knew 911 was coming/had a hand in it
2) people covering the fact they fuct things up on 911 (because the people from #1 put them in a position where they couldnt do their jobs)
an example of #1 is the bush administration who at first denied any warnings whatsoever, then changed their tune when evidence to the contrary emerged ... much like they refused to investigate 911, andonly did so when they rigged the commission so it wasnt impartial
an example of #2 would be the good people at norad and the faa who had no hope in hell of figuring out which planes were hijacked and intercepting them because of the military exercises that day and the shoot down veto of DICK cheney .... they prolly destoryed the tapes to cover up what they thought was massive incompetence(but which seems to me to be sabatoge from the assholes in #1)
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I saw an earpiece in bush's ear while he was reading that book to the 1st graders, i know they told him the planes were about to hit because i saw him mouth the words, AS SOON AS THE PLANES HIT, DETONATE THE EXPLOSIVES!
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he got fired because he could no longer do his job. they could give two shits about paying his irb. theres a few hundred thousand pensions the city is paying. why would they care about the shit money this guy would get?
the point is he was hurt on the job and they should have paid him out but instead chose to squeeze him out ... they care about the "shit money" because despite the fact he is only one man there are many people with similar circumstances and the numbers add up
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I saw an earpiece in bush's ear while he was reading that book to the 1st graders, i know they told him the planes were about to hit because i saw him mouth the words, AS SOON AS THE PLANES HIT, DETONATE THE EXPLOSIVES!
All kidding aside - Bush knew that THREE planes had been hijacked before he walked into that classroom.
FAA records show that he was notified starting at 8:21, when he was still in his hotel.
As he drove to the school, more news came of planes #2 and #3, then that one of them suicided into a great US landmark.
Why did he go into that school, and why did he say "that was one bad pilot" when he already knew it was a suicide pilot crash?
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All kidding aside - Bush knew that THREE planes had been hijacked before he walked into that classroom.
FAA records show that he was notified starting at 8:21, when he was still in his hotel.
As he drove to the school, more news came of planes #2 and #3, then that one of them suicided into a great US landmark.
Why did he go into that school, and why did he say "that was one bad pilot" when he already knew it was a suicide pilot crash?
Please stop, you are killing me! I'm laughing so hard people are asking if i'm ok.
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Please stop, you are killing me! I'm laughing so hard people are asking if i'm ok.
i'm glad this is funny to you.
hey, you did say that even if 911 was an inside job, you have faith that it was done for the greater good.
But still, laughing about it is just messed up. 2971 folks died that day, Terry.
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i'm glad this is funny to you.
hey, you did say that even if 911 was an inside job, you have faith that it was done for the greater good.
But still, laughing about it is just messed up. 2971 folks died that day, Terry.
It was not an inside job, yes many died that day and you offering up some theory that their president had them killed is inexcusable , disrespectful and sickening. Anyone that believes that madness should be committed to a funny farm.
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GF,
I'd like to know why the FAA supervisor who destroyed recordings that morning was not prosecuted.
*IF* there was a concerted effort to call off the fighter jets (you know, the ones that were travelling 1875 mph towards their targets before stopping and circling in the ocean until after the planes hit), then these tapes would show it.
If there was. If there wasn't? IF is fanny word, because it gives you endless possibilities to twist the story around it: If your aunt would have a dick she would be your uncle etc. Point is that you can't prove anything using sentences which starts "If..."
He broke the tapes, tore out the reels, cut it into pieces, then threw it away in various trash cans around the building. I'm sorry, but I do not see how bin laden convinced this man to do that.
You miss a point again, so let's repeat:
I ask only one simple question:
Which would be good enough evidence to prove you, that 9/11 were terrorist act made by Binladen and his simple little ragheads? Think hard for few weeks before answering this, and be careful or you could sprain your poor little drains. Then you can read answer below:
There simply couldn't be such evidence. You have swallow the hook so deep, that there isn't no way in hell to pull it back. You believe this shit so deeply, that you world would collapse if someone could show you some indisputable evidence which prove that your theory is just some propagandist lies.
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All kidding aside - Bush knew that THREE planes had been hijacked before he walked into that classroom.
FAA records show that he was notified starting at 8:21, when he was still in his hotel.
As he drove to the school, more news came of planes #2 and #3, then that one of them suicided into a great US landmark.
Why did he go into that school, and why did he say "that was one bad pilot" when he already knew it was a suicide pilot crash?
You do have some evidence about that statement? Bush have told it to you himself? Is plane hijack a crime which is notified to president right a way no matter where he is and what he is doing? What he should have done, give an order to shoot them down before anything has happened? Get a grip...
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I'm echoing with 4 of the 10 911 commissioners have said - there needs to be a complete investigation.
i guess you'd like to send lee Hamilton to the funny farm too? ;)
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Which would be good enough evidence to prove you, that 9/11 were terrorist act made by Binladen and his simple little ragheads? Think hard for few weeks before answering this, and be careful or you could sprain your poor little drains. Then you can read answer below:
what you see on the front page of the times and CNN is good enough "evidence" for 97% of the population who, like you, are essentially incapable of understanding the dire need for 911 by amreeka
if i told you the same gang behind 911 is the same gang behind iran contra, savings and loan, enron ... what would you still think its so far fetched?
if i told you 911 secured your stranglehold on the worlds resources and helped ensure your grand kids would not be speaking chinese or indian would you still think its so far fetched?
if i told you that 911 had instantly revamped a military that was falling apart due to lack of funding after the cold war, would you still think its so far fetched?
how bout the insider trading?
http://www.yirmeyahureview.com/archive/911/insider_trading.htm
people with no understanding of cash flows and geo politics cant wrap their minds around this idea, but it has historical precedent ... i would suggest you do some research before talking shit to rob again
finally, if you think its so far fetched why not read "the grand chess board" by zbigniew brzezinski (former national security advisor under carter) ... written years before 911 here are some choice quotes:
Ever since the continents started interacting politically, some five hundred years ago, Eurasia has been the center of world power."- (p. xiii)
"... But in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus of also challenging America. The formulation of a comprehensive and integrated Eurasian geostrategy is therefore the purpose of this book.” (p. xiv)
"In that context, how America 'manages' Eurasia is critical. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa's subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania geopolitically peripheral to the world's central continent. About 75 per cent of the world's people live in Eurasia, and most of the world's physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for about three-fourths of the world's known energy resources." (p.31)
“Never before has a populist democracy attained international supremacy. But the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion, except in conditions of a sudden threat or challenge to the public's sense of domestic well-being. The economic self-denial (that is, defense spending) and the human sacrifice (casualties, even among professional soldiers) required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic instincts. Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization." (p.35)
“The momentum of Asia's economic development is already generating massive pressures for the exploration and exploitation of new sources of energy and the Central Asian region and the Caspian Sea basin are known to contain reserves of natural gas and oil that dwarf those of Kuwait, the Gulf of Mexico, or the North Sea." (p.125)
"In the long run, global politics are bound to become increasingly uncongenial to the concentration of hegemonic power in the hands of a single state. Hence, America is not only the first, as well as the only, truly global superpower, but it is also likely to be the very last." (p.209)
"Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat." (p. 211)
smarten up
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I almost hope its all true, its gonna make a wonderful movie!
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sandy smacketh greatfinn.
it's history unfolding before our eyes - don't be too pigheaded and blind to keep up, finny.
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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
that ws fucking great!!! Guess Rosie didn't read this before:
"steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn't have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C'
240 What do you have to say about the arguments brought in that piece?
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"steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn't have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C'
none of the steel tested showed temperatues high enough to weaken it to even half strength ... pretty much all the jetfuel burnt off within 10 minutes and what was left was an uncontrolled (dirty) hydrocarbon fire
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none of those temps explain those molten pools of steel, 5 stories deep, on the ground, my friend.
Idiots always make it about the start of the collapse. Then they ignore the physics violations of the collapse, and those giant pools at the bottom.
it's okay, mm69. you lack the cognitive ability to understand things like this.
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none of those temps explain those molten pools of steel, 5 stories deep, on the ground, my friend.
Idiots always make it about the start of the collapse. Then they ignore the physics violations of the collapse, and those giant pools at the bottom.
it's okay, mm69. you lack the cognitive ability to understand things like this.
LMAO!!! fool
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LMAO!!! fool
explain the molten steel, fool.
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explain the molten steel, fool.
I have learned in my engineering experience (which you don't have) that everything we see in a lab doesn't always translate into the real world. It happens daily that we see stuff that makes us scratch our head. Stuff that has no explanation, I just don't blame it in CTs.
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I have learned in my engineering experience (which you don't have) that everything we see in a lab doesn't always translate into the real world. It happens daily that we see stuff that makes us scratch our head. Stuff that has no explanation, I just don't blame it in CTs.
the pools were 50 feet deep. They were a hundred feet wide. We're talking hundreds of TONS of liquid steel - sitting there at a temperature WELL above anything fire can reach. And it was like that for weeks.
Now, you might just chalk it up to "huh...huh... who knows... pull my finger, dude".
But those of us with a brain know there are very few explanations - and that typically, the only time we see this is when high powered explosives are used. But I don't see you falling into this category...
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this is more of "gnome's" logic ....
yes in any experiment there will be lots of unexplained phenom ... but when you step back and look at the enexplained events as a whole they def point to explosives in those buildings
kinda disappointing nobody jumped on the MP3 i posted where one of the WTC architects said they build explosives into the3 buildings and it was a common practice in 1970s new york
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i was curious about that one - possibly disinfo designed to undermine the position that it was a concerted effort to bring down the buildings?
If so, surely there are more buildings rigged with explosives? Also, what was the triggering mechanism - they fell perfectly that day, with that dual xcollapse ( out, and down to disguise the sequence underneath the mushroom head)
IMO, this info is probably up there with that other WTC designer who changed his position right after 9/11 from previousinterviews, to support the official story. however, there was the 1989 statue of liberty thing - where 'they'll be bringing down that tower in 10-12 years anyway' which kinda rings.
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"however, there was the 1989 statue of liberty thing - where 'they'll be bringing down that tower in 10-12 years anyway' which kinda rings."
when they had to redo the aluminum because of corrosion due to ocean air?
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the pools were 50 feet deep.
do you have a link for this rob?
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do you have a link for this rob?
I know you aren't asking the great 240 for facts.....sinner
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I know you aren't asking the great 240 for facts.....sinner
you're a racist guy.
you don't get to talk.
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I know you aren't asking the great 240 for facts.....sinner
rob isnt right 100% of the time, but hes the best researched guy on here...
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you're a racist ####.
you don't get to talk.
rob is a stay at home mom that uses Rosie Ofatso for his info
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take a gander back through the thread ... you have a habbit of talking out of your ass and getting "told" ... rob does not
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take a gander back through the thread ... you have a habbit of talking out of your ass and getting "told" ... rob does not
LMAO!! Youf ucking CT clowns are all the same...you guys will chase this shit to your death, and you know how much proof you will ever have.....I don't want to ruin your night
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youre a "CA clown" too dipshit ... 19 arabs is a conspiracy theory
your conspiracy has these 19 outsmarting the best defense system in the world
uh huh
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youre a "CA clown" too dipshit ... 19 arabs is a conspiracy theory
your conspiracy has these 19 outsmarting the best defense system in the world
uh huh
right, instead we have 10s of thousands keeping their mouth shut...the one thing we have been able to keep from leaking
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you think they filled an arena with "10s of thousands" and told them "911 from a-z" or did a handful of people set up "10s of thousands" to help without knowing (like the FAA and NORAD for instance, who were unable to do their jobs because of the military exercises taking place that day)
consider the both afgan and iraq were planned before 911 before you answer...
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consider the both afgan and iraq were planned before 911 before you answer...
ouch!
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youre a "CA clown" too dipshit ... 19 arabs is a conspiracy theory
your conspiracy has these 19 outsmarting the best defense system in the world
uh huh
It did happen in 1993, it did happen in Yemen, etc.
I missed these topics....
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It did happen in 1993, it did happen in Yemen, etc.
I missed these topics....
There are recordings with an FBI informant from before the 1993 attacks.
Did you know the FBI supplied the explosives and directed the arabs where to park the truck?
Did you know they were told it was just a drill they would be paid for, to test security? The Arabs thought they were being used, so they recorded it. Google "Wtc 1993 tapes" and you can lsiten to them yourself.
The FBI helped plan the attack. Various NY newspapers covered it. Then, under "national security", the tapes showing the FBI was involved in the attack weren't allowed into the trial.
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and if they had used smarter arabs, they would have parked the truck right beside the core where they were supposed to and knocked the north tower into the south and both onto wall street :D