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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Hugo Chavez on April 15, 2007, 04:29:06 PM
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The mods have had to remove a lot of posts over the last week. If you're here to talk about racism... good! it needs to be talked about. It's a valid thing to talk about. But if you're here to spread a hate message it will be deleted. You can talk about how unfair it is, that there is racism against whites too, that sharpton is a fool, but we're going to draw the line when the remarks themselves are racist. You can talk about what happened to Don Imus all day but we're going to remove your remarks if you're using Don Imus as a recruitment tool for white power organizations. This is not a place to launch your hate campaign.
If some continue to push this line the only thing you will be pushing for is all talk on Racism to be banned and that would be a huge mistake IMO. I think you all know where the line is, please stop crossing it.
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True. I think you should have us post a sticky thread of all the racist words that we cannot use or are considered racist so we can check before posting. I mean technically calling someone an OREO or TWINKY is racist but not generally offensive to most. Speak on this.
Added: BTW, I do not consider "Porch Monkey" a racial slur and I'm taking it back.
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True. I think you should have us post a sticky thread of all the racist words that we cannot use or are considered racist so we can check before posting. I mean technically calling someone an OREO or TWINKY is racist but not generally offensive to most. Speak on this.
Added: BTW, I do not consider "Porch Monkey" a racial slur and I'm taking it back.
There is no need for a list. It's in how you use the word, not the word. The policy is clear and simple, I don't know why people are having a hard time understanding this. EXAMPLE: A discussion on the hypocrisy of the term Jigaboo being ok on Southpark but not ok in other areas is ok. It is discussing the issue. That does not mean it's ok to call someone a jigaboo on this forum. ¿Comprende? If this is so difficult or if people seem hell bent on coming up with clever ways to cross the line, the mods and Ron may just ban all discussion of racism and again I don't want it to come to that, that would be a big mistake. Racism is a very important political issue and it would be lousy for a few people to ruin it for everyone else.
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There is no need for a list. It's in how you use the word, not the word. The policy is clear and simple, I don't know why people are having a hard time understanding this. EXAMPLE: A discussion on the hypocrisy of the term Jigaboo being ok on Southpark but not ok in other areas is ok. It is discussing the issue. That does not mean it's ok to call someone a jigaboo on this forum. ¿Comprende? If this is so difficult or if people seem hell bent on coming up with clever ways to cross the line, the mods and Ron may just ban all discussion of racism and again I don't want it to come to that, that would be a big mistake. Racism is a very important political issue and it would be lousy for a few people to ruin it for everyone else.
It was a legitimate question. Is it just directing the word at a member like making reference to Jag as a..."insert word" or Cap as a "insert word" or using the word like saying "those damn zipper heads"? Please clarify.
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It was a legitimate question. Is it just directing the word at a member like making reference to Jag as a..."insert word" or Cap as a "insert word" or using the word like saying "those damn zipper heads"? Please clarify.
I explained it very clear. You don't know when you're making a racist remark or a remark that is commonly considered racist? I don't believe that for a second. I don't see that anything needs clarified. It's clear as hell. If you don't understand a very clearly stated policy, then don't post on race issues. If you want to post something but you're really not sure if it crosses the line, pm one of us and ask. It shouldn't take long to learn the difference between making a racist remark and discussing race/racism.
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I explained it very clear. You don't know when you're making a racist remark or a remark that is commonly considered racist? I don't believe that for a second. I don't see that anything needs clarified. It's clear as hell. If you don't understand a very clearly stated policy, then don't post on race issues. If you want to post something but you're really not sure if it crosses the line, pm one of us and ask. It shouldn't take long to learn the difference between making a racist remark and discussing race/racism.
Well I know what a racist remark is and usually it is directed at another. In light of recent events, calling someone nappy haired is racist which I don't agree with and if I use it or some other remark then yes you do need to clarify but you can do it via PM. BTW, you need to chill out on this. It was a legit question. Seriously.
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I explained it very clear. You don't know when you're making a racist remark or a remark that is commonly considered racist? I don't believe that for a second. I don't see that anything needs clarified. It's clear as hell. If you don't understand a very clearly stated policy, then don't post on race issues. If you want to post something but you're really not sure if it crosses the line, pm one of us and ask. It shouldn't take long to learn the difference between making a racist remark and discussing race/racism.
I agree. We're all adults. Everyone, including you cap, knows what Berserker is talking about.
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Well I know what a racist remark is and usually it is directed at another. In light of recent events, calling someone nappy haired is racist which I don't agree with and if I use it or some other remark then yes you do need to clarify but you can do it via PM. BTW, you need to chill out on this. It was a legit question. Seriously.
I am chilled out... This is the way I always talk, you know that ;) Berserker is as Berserker does. We don't need to clarify anything, it's clear and it's not about what you agree with. Again the policy is clear, if someone is having repeated problems with it, the mods may get together and approve a ban on that member. It really shouldn't come to that. We're here, if you're unsure, pm one of us.
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For crying out loud, simply don't call anyone names that have racial undertones, posting a list of words not to use is 'teh ghey'. Stick to the good old fashioned basics like fool, moron, loser etc. Or one could even try not name calling at all....you idiots ;D
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It is very simple - racism exists. We can talk about it, discuss it, but stop with being a racist. We all know the difference.
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Lol, wow. Hahaha. You guys need a shot of Jack or something. I guarantee I could make a nonracist remark and be called a racist on here. THAT is my point. I know what Berserker is talking about BB and others, my POINT was that there are things that extend beyond calling someone a NIG NOG or COON. Fair enough?
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Is it racist to say that, on average, the Blacks who post here are far more composed and intelligent than the Whites who post here?
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Is it racist to say that, on average, the Blacks who post here are far more composed and intelligent than the Whites who post here?
I would interpret that as trying to establish a racial stereotype based on opinion. But not exactly a racial slur.
In others words: It's walking the line :)
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Is it racist to say that, on average, the Blacks who post here are far more composed and intelligent than the Whites who post here?
It's definitely not fair to say, I can think of quite a few whites posting here that are composed and seem pretty intelligent.
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Blacks have not been immune here Tre, just yesterday I deleted a post calling for our extintion.
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Not to be ghey, but thanks to the mods here for trying to reduce the racist flaming. This "sista" appreciates it ;)
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Not to be ghey, but thanks to the mods here for trying to reduce the racist flaming. This "sista" appreciates it ;)
Lol. Do you ever make racial remarks outside this forum?
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The mods have had to remove a lot of posts over the last week. If you're here to talk about racism... good! it needs to be talked about. It's a valid thing to talk about. But if you're here to spread a hate message it will be deleted. You can talk about how unfair it is, that there is racism against whites too, that sharpton is a fool, but we're going to draw the line when the remarks themselves are racist. You can talk about what happened to Don Imus all day but we're going to remove your remarks if you're using Don Imus as a recruitment tool for white power organizations. This is not a place to launch your hate campaign.
If some continue to push this line the only thing you will be pushing for is all talk on Racism to be banned and that would be a huge mistake IMO. I think you all know where the line is, please stop crossing it.
The only difference in whites and blacks is the pigment in the skin, nothing more. My biggest prayer would be for racism to be totally gone. I've dated black girls, I was deeply in love with one that passed away suddenly, I miss her each day.
Racism is for people whose IQ is below 50.
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I explained it very clear. You don't know when you're making a racist remark or a remark that is commonly considered racist? I don't believe that for a second. I don't see that anything needs clarified. It's clear as hell. If you don't understand a very clearly stated policy, then don't post on race issues. If you want to post something but you're really not sure if it crosses the line, pm one of us and ask. It shouldn't take long to learn the difference between making a racist remark and discussing race/racism.
I applaud you for taking this stand, you and all the moderators. Even someone posting we need a WET television channel since blacks have BET, that is nothing but a pure racist statement. We already have WET television, its called NBC, CBS, ABC.
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I applaud you for taking this stand, you and all the moderators. Even someone posting we need a WET television channel since blacks have BET, that is nothing but a pure racist statement. We already have WET television, its called NBC, CBS, ABC.
Well what do you think UPN and WB are?
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Well what do you think UPN and WB are?
Who cares? its probably 2000 to 1, the number of stations that cater to white america as oposed to black america, i have no problem with stations on the air that tend to cater to african-americans, do you?
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why the fuck was my post deleted?
ill say it again, insecure negros who feel inferior to the rest of humanity fill rons box with complaints so he caters to them to shut them up ... check the thread on the board comments board if you dont believe me ... thats why its not a big deal if you say any other slur but the black cant be said
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Who cares? its probably 2000 to 1, the number of stations that cater to white america as oposed to black america, i have no problem with stations on the air that tend to cater to african-americans, do you?
I argree 100% as long as its fair. If someone wanted to make a 100% all white station and talk about all the issues surrounding white people (ok that made me laugh a little) then that should be ok also. Having a support of your ethnic background is a great concept as long as its the same for everybody.
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I argree 100% as long as its fair. If someone wanted to make a 100% all white station and talk about all the issues surrounding white people (ok that made me laugh a little) then that should be ok also. Having a support of your ethnic background is a great concept as long as its the same for everybody.
Dude, ABC, NBC, CBS, theres your white channels.
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why the fuck was my post deleted?
ill say it again, insecure negros who feel inferior to the rest of humanity fill rons box with complaints so he caters to them to shut them up ... check the thread on the board comments board if you dont believe me ... thats why its not a big deal if you say any other slur but the #### cant be said
Probably because you are a racist pig and not worth the air you breathe.
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Dude, ABC, NBC, CBS, theres your white channels.
No I understand you point really, I just would like to see it more universal. I support anybody being able to have whatever channel/store/school/club/ect they feel they need. I just don't think it's fair in these times if you are white and wanted to be exclusionary. I agree it will be much better when we are all grey and it does not matter but until then I would like to see it fair accross the board.
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No I understand you point really, I just would like to see it more universal. I support anybody being able to have whatever channel/store/school/club/ect they feel they need. I just don't think it's fair in these times if you are white and wanted to be exclusionary. I agree it will be much better when we are all grey and it does not matter but until then I would like to see it fair accross the board.
OK, then to be fair, every channel would have to increase the number of blacks on their stations tenfold and remove 50% of the whites.
Ready for that?
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OK, then to be fair, every channel would have to increase the number of blacks on their stations tenfold and remove 50% of the whites.
Ready for that?
I don't care who they use as long as there good shows. My point is not that its still unfair to minorities (it is) its that in todays world its also unfair to whites (I know what your going to say but I am talking contex). I am talking about how on one hand we say this x is ok but on another in the same vain its not.If your going to make it ok for one make it ok for all. Don't tell me I am racist in doing something thats being done exactly the same on the other side of the fence is all.
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I don't care who they use as long as there good shows. My point is not that its still unfair to minorities (it is) its that in todays world its also unfair to whites (I know what your going to say but I am talking contex). I am talking about how on one hand we say this x is ok but on another in the same vain its not.If your going to make it ok for one make it ok for all. Don't tell me I am racist in doing something thats being done exactly the same on the other side of the fence is all.
of course it shows you are a racist, you are just justifying your racism.
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of course it shows you are a racist, you are just justifying your racism.
How does it show I am a racist? Thats just stupid, hell my best friend in the world is black and His brother slept with my sister. If I was racist don't you think I would have has issues with that? Just because I have a viewpoint that wants the same standard for everybody equally does not make me a racist. Just because I can have a opinion about inequality I see in todays world does not mean (in your limited opinion) that I have issues with minorites or majorities.Wow I can't beleive I am actually responding to you since you already have a box you placed me in and thats that.
Racism would mean I had issues with someone based on there color, I have issues with people that do not see that if you set a rule down that "this" is acceptable then it should be for all parties. You may want to move on to someone else we do not and I bet won't ever see eye to eye. Sad.
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How does it show I am a racist? Thats just stupid, hell my best friend in the world is black and His brother slept with my sister. If I was racist don't you think I would have has issues with that? Just because I have a viewpoint that wants the same standard for everybody equally does not make me a racist. Just because I can have a opinion about inequality I see in todays world does not mean (in your limited opinion) that I have issues with minorites or majorities.Wow I can't beleive I am actually responding to you since you already have a box you placed me in and thats that.
Racism would mean I had issues with someone based on there color, I have issues with people that do not see that if you set a rule down that "this" is acceptable then it should be for all parties. You may want to move on to someone else we do not and I bet won't ever see eye to eye. Sad.
Dude , you are trying to say Blacks have it better than Whites, that they get to do things we can't. Thats utterly ridiculous.
Its like idiots that say we should have WET television because they have BET. Just pure idiotic.
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Probably because you are a racist pig and not worth the air you breathe.
Look who's talking. ::) You're the biggest bigot on this forum far and away.
Racism is not cool, but double standards are just an extention of racism itself. I wasn't around during the Jim Crowe days or during the years of slavery so I am not liable for bending over or playing appologist.
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Dude , you are trying to say Blacks have it better than Whites, that they get to do things we can't. Thats utterly ridiculous.
Its like idiots that say we should have WET television because they have BET. Just pure idiotic.
No sir you missed my point. I am saying it should be ok if someone chooses to have a white channel or a black channel or a indian channel or a martian channel it should be ok. Its not. You can have black channels and NAACP but you could not have a white version. I think it's great to have pride in your race, whatever it is but in todays society if you tried that as a white man you automatically get labled a racist. Thats not fair is my point. Its all about the lable not the act. You could have a white's only channel that did nothing but supported white people without hate of others, just like other people have channels that make them feel good about being whatever they want. Does that make it clearer?
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Look who's talking. ::) You're the biggest bigot on this forum far and away.
Racism is not cool, but double standards are just an extention of racism itself. I wasn't around during the Jim Crowe days or during the years of slavery so I am not liable for bending over or playing appologist.
I'm racist? far from it my friend...um i mean enemy. You have no idea who i am.
I don't see color, i see human beings.
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No sir you missed my point. I am saying it should be ok if someone chooses to have a white channel or a black channel or a indian channel or a martian channel it should be ok. Its not. You can have black channels and NAACP but you could not have a white version. I think it's great to have pride in your race, whatever it is but in todays society if you tried that as a white man you automatically get labled a racist. Thats not fair is my point. Its all about the lable not the act. You could have a white's only channel that did nothing but supported white people without hate of others, just like other people have channels that make them feel good about being whatever they want. Does that make it clearer?
Do you know why they have BET? because dude, maybe 2% of the people on other stations are black, the rest are white.
Thats why you don't need WET, you have it already. To create a WET would do nothing but be clear you are ramming it to the black people. Wanna keep being fair? then have every company fire half their employees and truly make it 50% white, 50% black.
Know why you don't need an NAACP, you already have a pretty much all white organization, its called COngress and the senate and the presidency. The NAACP is for the advancement of colored people, to get them equally employed. Whats your white organazation going to do? run the small percentage of blacks in upper management off?
Sorry but requests like you are making are pure and simple, racist.
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I'm racist? far from it my friend...um i mean enemy. You have no idea who i am.
I don't see color, i see human beings.
Good.
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Do you know why they have BET? because dude, maybe 2% of the people on other stations are black, the rest are white.
Thats why you don't need WET, you have it already. To create a WET would do nothing but be clear you are ramming it to the black people. Wanna keep being fair? then have every company fire half their employees and truly make it 50% white, 50% black.
Know why you don't need an NAACP, you already have a pretty much all white organization, its called COngress and the senate and the presidency. The NAACP is for the advancement of colored people, to get them equally employed. Whats your white organazation going to do? run the small percentage of blacks in upper management off?
Sorry but requests like you are making are pure and simple, racist.
Your missing my point in your desire to get yours accross. I did not say I wanted a white only tv channel or organzation I stated that you could not even have the "option" of having them without being lable a racist. Exactly like your doing to me right now. I said if you are white and wanted to be proud for whatever reason you automatically get labled a racist...see what you have been doing. I don't care....let me re say this I don't care if every group wanted to have there own feel good situation thats fine the more the merrier. Whatever you want to do as long as it does not harm others and is fair to "everyone" is what I would like to see. Its like dumbass rednecks that want to be in the KKK, I don't agree with there views but I support there right to have them. I don't agree with al sharpton but support 100% his right to do whatever he wants in his agenda as long as neither group harms people.
Its not about being anti color its about having a level playing field for everybody so nobody feels ther left out or picked on or abused. Thats how people get turned off of something when you say its ok for me but not you...like how it used to be for black people back in the day. it was not right then for them and its not right now in the other direction.
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Your missing my point in your desire to get yours accross. I did not say I wanted a white only tv channel or organzation I stated that you could not even have the "option" of having them without being lable a racist. Exactly like your doing to me right now. I said if you are white and wanted to be proud for whatever reason you automatically get labled a racist...see what you have been doing. I don't care....let me re say this I don't care if every group wanted to have there own feel good situation thats fine the more the merrier. Whatever you want to do as long as it does not harm others and is fair to "everyone" is what I would like to see. Its like dumbass rednecks that want to be in the KKK, I don't agree with there views but I support there right to have them. I don't agree with al sharpton but support 100% his right to do whatever he wants in his agenda as long as neither group harms people.
Its not about being anti color its about having a level playing field for everybody so nobody feels ther left out or picked on or abused. Thats how people get turned off of something when you say its ok for me but not you...like how it used to be for black people back in the day. it was not right then for them and its not right now in the other direction.
I'm just saying right now the playing field is slanted favoring white folks about 10billion to one and thats undeniable.
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I'm just saying right now the playing field is slanted favoring white folks about 10billion to one and thats undeniable.
NO I agree with what your saying, yes white people have the advantage no doubt. Personally I think it all revolves around the green but that's another conversation. The whole back and forth with you was not to say white people need there own "whatever" or black people need less but only to point out that exactly what happened between you and I is what happens the moment someone white would like to do something that is not for everybody they get the lable of racist. Its a hatred inbread from a long past of oppressive behavior for sure but it does not make it right. You can be proud of who you are without hating others...I am part american indian I am learning about that side of my family with pride that does not want to hate someone else no matter what happened in the past.
On a side note my buddy and I were at lunch in feb and I made the joke to him about when is white history month he looked at me and said..every other month. I understand man I really do.Sorry to get heated with you I just felt you were not understanding my point and what would have taken 5 min in person is much harder on a message board.
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AS, I understand the point you're trying to make, I just don't think it is a very valid one.
What we have in BET, was not an attempt to exclude, but rather an attempt to fill an unmet need.
It's called niche marketing. What you propose would in theory demand that PAX or CTS provide equal time for programming devoted to Satanism. :-\
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NO I agree with what your saying, yes white people have the advantage no doubt. Personally I think it all revolves around the green but that's another conversation. The whole back and forth with you was not to say white people need there own "whatever" or black people need less but only to point out that exactly what happened between you and I is what happens the moment someone white would like to do something that is not for everybody they get the lable of racist. Its a hatred inbread from a long past of oppressive behavior for sure but it does not make it right. You can be proud of who you are without hating others...I am part american indian I am learning about that side of my family with pride that does not want to hate someone else no matter what happened in the past.
On a side note my buddy and I were at lunch in feb and I made the joke to him about when is white history month he looked at me and said..every other month. I understand man I really do.Sorry to get heated with you I just felt you were not understanding my point and what would have taken 5 min in person is much harder on a message board.
Damn! You are a decent guy, that ruins the argument! lol
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Damn! You are a decent guy, that ruins the argument! lol
I try... ;D
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AS, I understand the point you're trying to make, I just don't think it is a very valid one.
What we have in BET, was not an attempt to exclude, but rather an attempt to fill an unmet need.
It's called niche marketing. What you propose would in theory demand that PAX or CTS provide equal time for programming devoted to Satanism. :-\
Its like he would want an NBAFWP-national basketball association for white people.
its like i claim, folks that make points like this are someplace inside racist. they just don't admit it.
actually everyone has racism in them somewhere, some are just more easily spotted.
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Its like he would want an NBAFWP-national basketball association for white people.
Would this league give 3 points for dunks? ;D ...or would it follow NBA rules?
its like i claim, folks that make points like this are someplace inside racist. they just don't admit it.
actually everyone has racism in them somewhere, some are just more easily spotted.
It's very systemic... so prevalently entrenched all around us that for many it's easy not to even spot it. :'(
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AS, I understand the point you're trying to make, I just don't think it is a very valid one.
What we have in BET, was not an attempt to exclude, but rather an attempt to fill an unmet need.
It's called niche marketing. What you propose would in theory demand that PAX or CTS provide equal time for programming devoted to Satanism. :-\
Ms princess thats my point, you want something that is for you by you that is fantastic. Something that shows positive roll models or speaks to you on a personal level or just makes you happy is the best ideas yet. My point is not that there should not be those things only that they should be fair for everybody to have that. I support every race/religion/culture/choice that someone wants to be part of as long as if I wanted to start the square head blue people group that I get that right without being attacked as a seperatist or racist.
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Its like he would want an NBAFWP-national basketball association for white people.
its like i claim, folks that make points like this are someplace inside racist. they just don't admit it.
actually everyone has racism in them somewhere, some are just more easily spotted.
I admit I am 100% racist, I can't stand stupid people no matter what they look like on the outside.
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Well what do you think UPN and WB are?
UpN and WB only use urban shows to develop a fanbase and ratings then switch. Fox was known for that. WB has already done this. They used to have "urban" (read black shows), now look at their line up: One Tree Hill, Smallville, Supernatural,etc. UPN is next, once they get some good drams going, off with the black shows
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Lol. Do you ever make racial remarks outside this forum?
Never. I dislike racism, sexism and homophobia in it's entirety.
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Never. I dislike racism, sexism and homophobia in it's entirety.
I highly doubt you have never made a comment and would never again.
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I highly doubt you have never made a comment and would never again.
What many fail to realize is that what is considered common place in one culture,
...can be, and is quite often highly offensive in another. Just ask Richard Gere. 3 lawsuits already. :o
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I highly doubt you have never made a comment and would never again.
Doubt all you like :)
That comment is such a simply a reflection on either you or your culture, not on me. The fact you find it hard to believe shows what environment you are in or what type of person you are.
What many fail to realize is that what is considered common place in one culture,
...can be, and is quite often highly offensive in another.
Exactly Jag. I often bless up for living where I do, when I see race relations in other places. Most of us here do.
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Doubt all you like :)
That comment is such a simply a reflection on either you or your culture, not on me. The fact you find it hard to believe shows what environment you are in or what type of person you are.
My point of view is simple, there are idiots of every race, creed, color but I have yet to meet anyone in any place I have lived or traveled to show me different.