Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: donrhummy on April 16, 2007, 02:34:37 PM
-
With all the hype that was given to Federov, why haven't we heard more about Wolf? i think he has better potential. He's got WIDE shoulders (see him stand next to other BB's) with a tiny waist and all he really needs is thicker lats and calves. He's got a LOT of potential.
(http://www.graphicmuscle.com/~photos/730/Men/RH9K2808.jpg)
(http://www.graphicmuscle.com/~photos/730/Men/RH9K2810.jpg)
-
Because he has a tiny waist..... who wants to see a tiny waist on stage. Everything must be big ::)
-
this guy is impressive....In the muscular develpment pics with Ruhl he looked very good. Great overall width and delt mass. Good taper too.
-
I'm a fan. I think the guy can maximze on a look that will get a lot of attention. Outlook sounds good for someone with size and symmetry... Isn't that the goal? ;)
-
He is probably my favortie new pro, I think he will surpass Heath once his name gets out there as long as he keeps improving in the right ways. Don't forget he is still in his 20's.
-
He is probably my favortie new pro
I think he is the best German on the scene now....and thats saying a lot when you have guys like Ruhl, Schlierkamp, and Rockel in the biz
-
I think he is the best German on the scene now....and thats saying a lot when you have guys like Ruhl, Schlierkamp, and Rockel in the biz
Nahhh gunter is better and wont be topped for a while. You just can't beat his width.
-
Gunter is not better, all the aesthetics of a door frame.
Wolf is really impressive....his quads blow me away.
Huge arms too.
Needs to bring up his calves and back a bit.
Won't be touched.
-
Gunter is not better, all the aesthetics of a door frame.
Wolf is really impressive....his quads blow me away.
Huge arms too.
Needs to bring up his calves and back a bit.
Won't be touched.
Wrong again.... Gunter is has the widest shoulders and is easily the biggest guy on the stage today. He has one structural flaw and that is his waist.
-
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/olympia2004-2_bild10.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/2005-mr-olympia-preview/bild13.jpg)
(http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Gunter_Schlierkamp_4.jpg)
-
Easily 2nd place here..... Listen to the audience... Whose name is shouted the most?
-
Yet another video of Gunters greatness. The crowd is going wild... since when do you get that kind of reaction from a crowd? This guy IS what bodybuilding is suppose to be about.
-
Wolf has great potential if he doesn't burn out.
But Fedorov was a genetic freak - the guys legs seriously were bigger than Coleman's.
-
Wolf has great potential if he doesn't burn out.
But Fedorov was a genetic freak - the guys legs seriously were bigger than Coleman's.
Indeed... wolf will be great.
-
def serious potential
just 27 amazing
-
Serious facial resemblance to William Dafoe
-
wow he does look like dafoe
-
Nahhh gunter is better and wont be topped for a while. You just can't beat his width.
I thought Gunter quit BB?
-
He doesn't have shitty triceps like Gunter or Ruhl.
The guy looks awesome!
-
I think he'd make a better pro wrestler, too many structural flaws to be a top pro
Most top pros make an impact early in their pro career ala flex, dorian, ray, heath etc.
-
He doesn't have shitty triceps like Gunter or Ruhl.
The guy looks awesome!
Who cares about triceps.....I thought Gunter quit BB?
He is taking a break i think.... he may do the O this year though
-
I think he'd make a better pro wrestler
If a rookie pro doesn't make a big impact early ala flex, heath, leverone, they never do
What would be his gimmick? A descendant of an SS officer?
-
I think he'd make a better pro wrestler, too many structural flaws to be a top pro
Such as?
He doesn't have any structural flaws. He's actually got great genetics. Even his small calves aren't small because they're high, he just hasn't taken the time to develop them (look at their insertion point). His lats aren't too high at all and his clavicles are actually wide - not just large delts.
-
What would be his gimmick? A descendant of an SS officer?
Dennis the menace, Werewolf..
He's got good genetics, hence he's a pro but lacks triceps, bicep peak, calves, lat width to hang at the top
-
Dennis the menace, Werewolf..
He's got good genetics, hence he's a pro but lacks triceps, bicep peak, calves, lat width to hang at the top
Those aren't structural flaws. A structural flaw would be if his tricep had a very high insertion point. His do not. They actually insert fairly low down his upper arm bone. There's a BIG diff. A guy with structural flaws will pretty much never reach the top because no matter how much muscle he builds, it'll always look off/inferior, etc. A guy without structural flaws but lacking in size in some areas simply needs to keep working on it/finetuning but he CAN eventually get there.
An example: no matter how much Greg Kovacs works out and adds muscle, his physique will never look good enough to win Mr. O. Never. On the other hand, Flex Wheeler at the NPC California Championships was too small but obviously had the POTENTIAL to reach the top.
-
donrhummy - good points.
Why do people say that biceps that do not peak (like Sergio's compared to Arnold's) are genetically poor? Personally I prefer the long football biceps look that Sergio and Kev have, over peaked biceps like Arnold's or Al Beckles'.
Because they have no shape. They just look like bricks. Peaked ones are pretty. Me and my friends refer to arms like sergios as "dookie arms" because they have no shape... they just hang there.
-
They are big and full as hell though. :) Other good examples would be the arms of Frank McGrath and Chris Cook.
Hahaha see now you see it. Those are excellent examples of dookie arms. There is nothing wrong with them... they just have no pop to them.
-
They may not be the most aesthetically pleasing arms around, but I kind of think the arms are one muscle group where size makes them look good. I would prefer dookie arms. Instead my arms insert far from the elbow AND have poor peak. Worst of both worlds.
If you have a gap then they will peak.... You just have to pound them pretty hard.
-
Gunter looks awesome but I don't think he is 100% into his BBing career right now like he was back in 02. Wolf still has a while to go, anyone remember what Gunter looked like at his age.... Well he wasn't the same Gunter you see pictured here.
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/GNC_Pro/2002/GNC_Pro_104.jpg)
(http://www.1stimpact.com/ironman/contests/photos/23/CAAA1936-M009-5.jpg)
-
Im a Gunter fan. His quads, biceps, traps, pecs, and overall mass are very impressive. Plus he gets ripped.
But I would rather look like Dennis Wolf as far as the physique is concerned. Thats just my opinion.
-
def serious potential
just 27 amazing
wow..i thought he was 47 :o
-
i think gunter only takes steroids, and no GH... thats why he doenst look so "enlarged" and keeps a "human" shape, with alk muscles clearely separated from the others.
That's why he and most other very popular (mainsteam appeal) BBers don't have big guts and such. They actually resemble a human being.
-
Donrhummy - I see your point, my bad. Point is he lacks outer development of the gastrocnemius muscle. Very difficult to develop if you're born without i.e Dexter, Johnny O. Secondly he has dookie arms and high lats that DO insert high.
-
When Wolf thickens up his back he will be a top 3 competator for the Olympia...You cannot deny the shape of this guy...Wolf is the future of bodybuilding and I think he and Heath will battle for Mr. Olympia and the Arnold in another 2-3 years easily...
-
Donrhummy - I see your point, my bad. Point is he lacks outer development of the gastrocnemius muscle. Very difficult to develop if you're born without i.e Dexter, Johnny O. Secondly he has dookie arms and high lats that DO insert high.
I disagree about his arms. I think everyone's being thrown off by the fact that they're not quite as huge/developed as some other muscles. Can someone use photoshop to enlarge his biceps only (not the forearms or triceps)? You'll see that when they enlarge (and remember, whoever's doing it, that it would only enlarge upward, not sideways), they're actually of good shape.
-
i think gunter only takes steroids, and no GH... thats why he doenst look so "enlarged" and keeps a "human" shape, with alk muscles clearely separated from the others.
I've wondered this myself. My friend met Gunter once in the gym and said his hands were so big that he was holding a cell phone, a water bottle, and a protien bar in one hand and they looked tiny. He said his hands were huge and the guy was so wide he looked like some kind of cartoon. Either way he has no signs of distention.
-
I've wondered this myself. My friend met Gunter once in the gym and said his hands were so big that he was holding a cell phone, a water bottle, and a protien bar in one hand and they looked tiny. He said his hands were huge and the guy was so wide he looked like some kind of cartoon. Either way he has no signs of distention.
I think Gunter is a great bodybuilder and when he comes in dry he looks outstanding, but I still put him in the same category as Cutler because he has a box-shaped body...
-
One thing many americans don`t know is that Dennis Wolf trains in the same gym where Schlierkamp starts
his Bodybuilding career. It`s called Sportstudio Maldener in Dortmund (Ruhrgebiet, center of germany).
Winfried Maldener is also a ifbb pro judge, and he helped Gunter 10 years ago as he helps Dennis today.
"The last rumor" which going around in the german BB-Forums is that Dennis Wolf will/can compete around
10 lbs heavier than in the Olympia 2006. If he really bring this package to the stage in NY he is a clear candidate for the Top 5 (= Olympia qualification 2007).
Last month dennis where a few weeks with Dennis James in Kuwait, where they trained together at the
oxygen gym.
-
One thing many americans don`t know is that Dennis Wolf trains in the same gym where Schlierkamp starts
his Bodybuilding career. It`s called Sportstudio Maldener in Dortmund (Ruhrgebiet, center of germany).
Winfried Maldener is also a ifbb pro judge, and he helped Gunter 10 years ago as he helps Dennis today.
"The last rumor" which going around in the german BB-Forums is that Dennis Wolf will/can compete around
10 lbs heavier than in the Olympia 2006. If he really bring this package to the stage in NY he is a clear candidate for the Top 5 (= Olympia qualification 2007).
Last month dennis where a few weeks with Dennis James in Kuwait, where they trained together at the
oxygen gym.
If he comes in 10lbs heavier than he will be in the top 3; thats if the judging isn't screwed up giving washed up bodybuilders pitty placings.... :-\
-
If he comes in 10lbs heavier than he will be in the top 3; thats if the judging isn't screwed up giving washed up bodybuilders pitty placings.... :-\
Wolf should have no problem qualifying for the O. If he doesn't make it I will boycott the I.F.B.B. ;D
-
Here's a better example of what I'm talking about. Actually good shape:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/mielke26g.jpg)
And in terms of frame, even though he's taller than the other guys by a lot (he's only 5' 11" though), he doesn't have a thin-looking frame. And notice that his pecs/delts are basically the same as Badell's while Badell's waist is MUCh thicker, and Wolf's arms look thicker.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympiamtm_pics4.jpg)
-
I heard wolf was 5'9.
-
I heard wolf was 5'9.
In the differen videos and pictures he looks taller than even 5'11"....But ya never know in bodybuilding...
-
peaked biceops will always look better than long inserted biceps...
..
and as for dennis great physique..
i see no reason why he cant be mr O someday..
he has a bettr flow to his phsique than the current mr O
-
5'11 and 1/4 actually. :)
He looks taller because his arms look like they belong on someone 6'2 or taller. Not to mention that a trim waist gives the illusion of height too.
i believe this, he looks at least 5'11" on the BFTO video.
-
Dennis Wolf is awesome. Cool guy.
-
I heard dude was 6 foot, and tell Levrone than peakless long bicep insertions aren't cool, he will disagree.
-
I heard dude was 6 foot, and tell Levrone than peakless long bicep insertions aren't cool, he will disagree.
And tell Dexter Jackson high lats and no calves aren't cool, Jay Cutler that having a bigger left side isn't cool or Lee Priest that small undersized chest aren't cool and I guarantee all will disagree. Your point makes no sense in case you didn't get it yet.
-
donrhummy - good points.
Why do people say that biceps that do not peak (like Sergio's compared to Arnold's) are genetically poor? Personally I prefer the long football biceps look that Sergio and Kev have, over peaked biceps like Arnold's or Al Beckles'.
agreed.
-
And tell Dexter Jackson high lats and no calves aren't cool, Jay Cutler that having a bigger left side isn't cool or Lee Priest that small undersized chest aren't cool and I guarantee all will disagree. Your point makes no sense in case you didn't get it yet.
Doesn't this back up my argument?
Jay Cutler is Mr Olympia. I was saying that you can get to the top in spite of certain genetics attributes, you appear to be agreeing, under the guise of disagreeing.
-
Doesn't this back up my argument?
Jay Cutler is Mr Olympia. I was saying that you can get to the top in spite of certain genetics attributes, you appear to be agreeing, under the guise of disagreeing.
I am saying that of course a BBer will think his body is the best. You think Arnold would say he wish he had Sergio's arms or that Sergio would say he wished he had Arnolds arms, both were great but neither would be correct because it's a personal opinion and their obvious choice would be to say they would want the body parts they already have.
-
I am saying that of course a BBer will think his body is the best. You think Arnold would say he wish he had Sergio's arms or that Sergio would say he wished he had Arnolds arms, both were great but neither would be correct because it's a personal opinion and their obvious choice would be to say they would want the body parts they already have.
Okay, this is true, I simply meant to say that long biceps are not even a negative point. Kevin's arms are considered the best ever by some people, and arms like his would not work against Wolf in the slightest. It's not bad in the same way as having a bigger left side than right, or a torn muscle or something.
I didn't simply mean Kevin likes his own arms because they're his own. In fact, his long biceps insertions are objectively not a bad thing. Judges rate his arms very highly, they haven't hindered him. End.
-
Okay, this is true, I simply meant to say that long biceps are not even a negative point. Kevin's arms are considered the best ever by some people, and arms like his would not work against Wolf in the slightest. It's not bad in the same way as having a bigger left side than right, or a torn muscle or something.
I didn't simply mean Kevin likes his own arms because they're his own. In fact, his long biceps insertions are objectively not a bad thing. Judges rate his arms very highly, they haven't hindered him. End.
Well even long or short biceps can have their advantages and disadvantages. Some with long ones look bad and some don't, Kev happens to have the good kind where as Derik Farnsworth doesn't and Ronnie happens to have good short ones where Kamali doesn't.
-
Okay well then I guess the best I can do is to say Wolf's kind aren't necessarily bad.
-
Okay well then I guess the best I can do is to say Wolf's kind aren't necessarily bad.
I think Wolf's arms look great but I also wouldn't say they are necessarily long, now Melvin Anthony he has long biceps but they are also good.
-
I think Wolf's arms look great but I also would say they are necessarily long, now Melvin Anthony he has long biceps but they are also good.
They are necessarily long? Does this mean they have to be long? This doesn't totally make sense, but that's cool we agree on his arms looking great!
-
okay "bear" hahah oh brother what a fucking name.
-
okay "bear" hahah oh brother what a fucking name.
First name "muscle'.
-
They are necessarily long? Does this mean they have to be long? This doesn't totally make sense, but that's cool we agree on his arms looking great!
My bad i fixed it, I meant "wouldn't". ;D
-
okay "bear" hahah oh brother what a fucking name.
Haha my mistake, we don't have big gay beardy fat men terminology in England quite like the Americans, I should have investigated further before creating my account.
All 'broadstreetbruiser' connotes to me is the famously unpopular gay WWF gang who never won a match from about 8 years ago?
What I said makes sense anyway, cheers Mike for not ripping into me, lol, I get what you mean now!
-
Haha my mistake, we don't have big gay beardy fat men terminology in England quite like the Americans, I should have investigated further before creating my account.
All 'broadstreetbruiser' connotes to me is the famously unpopular gay WWF gang who never won a match from about 8 years ago?
What I said makes sense anyway, cheers Mike for not ripping into me, lol, I get what you mean now!
HAHAHA yeah I usually get rude with people but you seem like a nice dude and not the type to sit around and make childesh remarks, I can act like an adult sometimes ;D
I am pretty sure he if refering to Broad Street in Philedelphia, it's a really happining place around here. I live about 30-40mins from there.