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"The Chicago Sun-Times reported Monday night that authorities are investigating whether the gunman was a 24-year-old Chinese man who arrived in the U.S. last year on a student visa issued in Shanghai."
The security of out country and these student visas?? Remeber 9/11 and Bush talking about student visas?
"Bush Urges Tighter Controls on Student Visas as Part of Crackdown on Terrorism" yet "no timetable was set for completing the review".....it never happend..I guess terror was on the backburner.
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I doubt it was someone from China... Only crazy white people shoot up schools.
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what good came from 9/11?
Nothing good can come from this other than awareness.
It's a tragedy.
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No good at all will come out of this. It is a horrible thing, with no redemption possible. The mom in me cringes when I think of all the mothers out there tonight who just lost their kids :'(
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The belief that "good triumphs over evil" resontes deeply in our psyche through cultural, religious and
political discourses. guess you can not pump up patriotism anymore to polish law and make sure these kids that were lost were not lost without some kind of resolve.
I'll wait for tommorow for some more optimistic answers.
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kids' tests will be postponed a few days
people will get to hang out instead of going to class for a while
a major university will be PWNED financially
off the top of my head
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good news = lotsa money for broadcasters
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"The Chicago Sun-Times reported Monday night that authorities are investigating whether the gunman was a 24-year-old Chinese man who arrived in the U.S. last year on a student visa issued in Shanghai."
The security of out country and these student visas?? Remeber 9/11 and Bush talking about student visas?
"Bush Urges Tighter Controls on Student Visas as Part of Crackdown on Terrorism" yet "no timetable was set for completing the review".....it never happend..I guess terror was on the backburner.
Congratulations! I didn't think anyone would be able to do this but you did manage to blame all this on Bush. Congrats, you win the beanie award, now go stand in the corner, you are in a Time out!
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the powers that be will exploit this to gain more control over guns in this nation. registration, clip limits, and more handgun models banned. Brady Bill II.
It's all you see on the news today - gun control issues.
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the powers that be will exploit this to gain more control over guns in this nation. registration, clip limits, and more handgun models banned. Brady Bill II.
It's all you see on the news today - gun control issues.
and that is a good thing.
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the powers that be will exploit this to gain more control over guns in this nation. registration, clip limits, and more handgun models banned. Brady Bill II.
It's all you see on the news today - gun control issues.
Gosh, you mean they might make assault weapons and armor pearcing bullets illegal, gosh thats just awful. *rolls eyes*
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Gosh, you mean they might make assault weapons and armor pearcing bullets illegal, gosh thats just awful. *rolls eyes*
you're talking like a liberal.
The kid used a 9mm and a 22, you liberal crybaby. a .22 handgun is not an "assault weapon".
Hey, why don't you define for us what an "assault weapon" is?
And, show us the kid used "armor-piercing bullets" please.
Fucking liberal.
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and that is a good thing.
til 3 punks in a parking lot decide to take your car or life.
then you can have a holster full of dreams and ethics. I'll keep a glock in mine to defend myself in an unsafe world.
seriously slaveboy, it's a dangerous world. to make guns illegal only takes them from the good guys. criminals already break the law.
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til 3 punks in a parking lot decide to take your car or life.
then you can have a holster full of dreams and ethics. I'll keep a glock in mine to defend myself in an unsafe world.
seriously slaveboy, it's a dangerous world. to make guns illegal only takes them from the good guys. criminals already break the law.
if you look at the big picture im convinced that less guns on the street and very hard penalties for people who carry guns would save more lives.
i understand what your saying tho, as there are already alot of illegal weapons on the streets in the hands of crazy people and criminals. im many ways usa has fucked it self up with too generous gun laws.
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if you look at the big picture im convinced that less guns on the street and very hard penalties for people who carry guns would save more lives.
i understand what your saying tho, as there are already alot of illegal weapons on the streets in the hands of crazy people and criminals. im many ways usa has fucked it self up with too generous gun laws.
Cool. If you didn't have to live thru the 100 years of transition time, a gun-free environment might not be so bad. However, for those 100 years, til every gun rusts or is taken, the bad guys will have them and good guys won't. Our families will be armed with nothing but a cell phone (and 11 minute response times) and a prayer.
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Cool. If you didn't have to live thru the 100 years of transition time, a gun-free environment might not be so bad. However, for those 100 years, til every gun rusts or is taken, the bad guys will have them and good guys won't. Our families will be armed with nothing but a cell phone (and 11 minute response times) and a prayer.
yes, thats what i meant by usa already fucking it up. created this problem by their own stupidity.
but...you have to remember its not just banning guns....its also about very harsh sentances for those who walk around with weapons. if someone is caught with a gun..give him/her a 20 year sentance!
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yes, thats what i meant by usa already fucking it up. created this problem by their own stupidity.
but...you have to remember its not just banning guns....its also about very harsh sentances for those who walk around with weapons. if someone is caught with a gun..give him/her a 20 year sentance!
I'm ALL for that. I've carried a gun for 9 years now and never broken the law with it. I think that kids who carry them illegally should be locked up for 10 years, no warnings. I think if you point it at someone - give them 20 years instantly. Fire it? life without parole.
We should be WAY tougher on criminals than we are. I jumped thru hoops to get my permit and if I don't pay a parking ticket, I lose my right to carry. So it keeps me a perfect citizen, really. If we follow the law, they should too.
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i understand what your saying tho, as there are already alot of illegal weapons on the streets in the hands of crazy people and criminals. im many ways usa has fucked it self up with too generous gun laws.
In addition to the proliferation of weapons, education about the responsible use of weapons, has lagged far behind both the volume of weapons, and the glorification of those weapons. It is most definitely a powder keg situation, with sparks flying all over the place, ...however, in light of recent events, pulling guns off the streets now would be one of the worst domestic moves that could be made.
The right to bear arms is in the Constitution (what's left of it) and recent developments in the "War on Terror" make it an absolute imperative in my eyes. I kind of wish there were more automatic assault weapons and armour piercing munitions available to responsible gun owners like 240 who could rise up in defense of their country. After all... the terrorists might bring the war to America soil, ...in which case, I'd want to see every intelligent, discerning, patriotic American armed with both the will, and the means to defend his/her country right alongside intelligent, discerning, patriotic members of the American military. Nothing more need be said... I think you understand me.
I hope it never comes down to that, but if it did, I'd want you folks fully capable to Stand Up For America.
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In addition to the proliferation of weapons, education about the responsible use of weapons, has lagged far behind both the volume of weapons, and the glorification of those weapons. It is most definitely a powder keg situation, with sparks flying all over the place, ...however, in light of recent events, pulling guns off the streets now would be one of the worst domestic moves that could be made.
The right to bear arms is in the Constitution (what's left of it) and recent developments in the "War on Terror" make it an absolute imperative in my eyes. I kind of wish there were more automatic assault weapons and armour piercing munitions available to responsible gun owners like 240 who could rise up in defense of their country. After all... the terrorists might bring the war to America soil, ...in which case, I'd want to see every intelligent, discerning, patriotic American armed with both the will, and the means to defend his/her country right alongside intelligent, discerning, patriotic members of the American military. Nothing more need be said... I think you understand me.
I hope it never comes down to that, but if it did, I'd want you folks fully capable to Stand Up For America.
Good god, you just wished cop killer bullets be made available. That has to be the most moronic statement posted here.
All because you are afraid of the boogie man? (terrorists)? Come on Jag, can't have it both ways, you don't even want to fight the terrorists and actually support their actions more than you support the USA. Good job! Thank god you are canadian.
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Good god, you just wished cop killer bullets be made available. That has to be the most moronic statement posted here.
All because you are afraid of the boogie man? (terrorists)? Come on Jag, can't have it both ways, you don't even want to fight the terrorists and actually support their actions more than you support the USA. Good job! Thank god you are canadian.
Notice I did say 'intelligent & discerning' patriotic Americans.
I'm sure there are many among the readers here, and I'm certain they did not misinterpret my post as you just did.
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rooster, last week you sounded like a patriotic american.
today you sound like protecting her soil doesn't matter to you.
The world changes very fast. A russian or chinese nuke attack could knock down the web and most electricity for the US. I suppose you could use your brilliant wit to fend off any invaders, foreign or domestic groups capitalizing on the lack of infrastructure (see: iraqi death squads). However, a long gun like an AR would be a much wiser choice for keeping your family alive until things got better.
You don't think these things thru tho. just because you don't need one today, doesn't mean the world might not change quickly. Think about it this way - if the US could instantly take out Russia or China, we'd do it, right? Their resources would make the US stronger, and they wouldn't be a threat anymore. if we could take them out with no consequence, we'd do it in a minute right?
Well, they would too. So wake up, and always be prepared for a world that could change instantly.
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rooster, last week you sounded like a patriotic american.
The world changes very fast. A russian or chinese nuke attack could knock down the web and most electricity for the US.
It's a diffucult issue, your stance changes as your viewpoint does.
Were you watching 24 last night?
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It's a diffucult issue, your stance changes as your viewpoint does.
Were you watching 24 last night?
I did watch 24 last night.
You referring to the Rus/China nuke thing?
Any superpower or near-superpower would gladly take out another if the technology and weaponry allowed for it. We could take Russia and China off the maps tomorrow, if we had the space superiority to do it. As would they.
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Congratulations! I didn't think anyone would be able to do this but you did manage to blame all this on Bush. Congrats, you win the beanie award, now go stand in the corner, you are in a Time out!
You Bushies are the ones who declared that we are 'safe from terrorists' when obviously, we are not.
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to make guns illegal only takes them from the good guys. criminals already break the law.
Exactly.
Pat Brown (the criminal profiler Fox has been putting on) argues that the guy might've thought twice about shooting into that classroom if he had suspected that someone in there might have a gun. As IF any university would just have an open gun policy! lol
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Exactly.
Pat Brown (the criminal profiler Fox has been putting on) argues that the guy might've thought twice about shooting into that classroom if he had suspected that someone in there might have a gun. As IF any university would just have an open gun policy! lol
I taught from 99 to 2002 in a really poor, rough school. We found probably 3 guns all year, but you knew there were more. You never knew if the kid you asked to leave your class was just begging for a reason to make his final stand. People can say they'll do this, or that, but you can't fistfight a gun. You can cower and hope you're not executed.
now that I carry a piece 24/7, I feel safe. back then, you just played probabilities - "hey, what are the chances someone is gonna rob me?" Well, it has to happen to someone. The stats were astronomical against any shooting at Va Tech yesterday. but it had to happen somewhere. And it evrey professor on campus had a fanny pack with a panic alarm and a chambered 9 mm, that kid would have been dead by the first reload, if not sooner.
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Sometimes I don't get u guys. This was some nutbag who decided to kill people. Bush/Hilary/Obama or friggen Rush Limbaugh had nothing to do with it. He was a nutbag with serious issues. But who will pay for this besides those poor famlies..law abiding citizens with guns. And if u want to get political about this..it won't be conservatives calling for our guns it will be the libs..because thats who limits our freedoms historically.
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I taught from 99 to 2002 in a really poor, rough school. We found probably 3 guns all year, but you knew there were more. You never knew if the kid you asked to leave your class was just begging for a reason to make his final stand. People can say they'll do this, or that, but you can't fistfight a gun. You can cower and hope you're not executed.
now that I carry a piece 24/7, I feel safe. back then, you just played probabilities - "hey, what are the chances someone is gonna rob me?" Well, it has to happen to someone. The stats were astronomical against any shooting at Va Tech yesterday. but it had to happen somewhere. And it evrey professor on campus had a fanny pack with a panic alarm and a chambered 9 mm, that kid would have been dead by the first reload, if not sooner.
No shit....... :D
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I did watch 24 last night.
You referring to the Rus/China nuke thing?
Any superpower or near-superpower would gladly take out another if the technology and weaponry allowed for it. We could take Russia and China off the maps tomorrow, if we had the space superiority to do it. As would they.
haha yeah, right when I read it I thought Jack Bauer.
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Does anybody really think it's a good idea if everyone in society carried a concealed weapon?
240, you talk about your gun ad-nauseum. Are you really advocating that everyone carry a firearm?
I don't like guns, they'll never be in my house but I don't want to ban them either. There are enough gun laws on the books as it is, what we need is enforcement.
I believe giving everyone that is qualified a license to carry a concealed weapon is a recipe for disaster.
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Does anybody really think it's a good idea if everyone in society carried a concealed weapon?
240, you talk about your gun ad-nauseum. Are you really advocating that everyone carry a firearm?
I don't like guns, they'll never be in my house but I don't want to ban them either. There are enough gun laws on the books as it is, what we need is enforcement.
I believe giving everyone that is qualified a license to carry a concealed weapon is a recipe for disaster.
back to the times of marshall dillon and miss kitty? lmao
Theres quite a few on this board I'd hate to see carry a weapon, heck jaguar most days seems ready to go postal as does 240 and enigma.
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I don't think he means that..u have to go through a class and u should have plenty of training. They denied two people in the class i went through in Ohio.
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Does anybody really think it's a good idea if everyone in society carried a concealed weapon?
240, you talk about your gun ad-nauseum. Are you really advocating that everyone carry a firearm?
Everyone? No. If a person passes a background check, written and firing tests to show he is competent and well-aware of the law, has never had a mental defect, and is well aware that if that gun ever shows - even the wind blowing your shirt up - you get one yeat behind bars automatic. Then, yes.
I don't like guns, they'll never be in my house but I don't want to ban them either. There are enough gun laws on the books as it is, what we need is enforcement.
I believe giving everyone that is qualified a license to carry a concealed weapon is a recipe for disaster.
(just a hpothetical) - If one man with a gun ever forces his way into your home, you are at his mercy. Think about that. He can line you up, then rape, kill, at his choosing. Family too. You can fight of course, but you will take a bullet and bleed out. And that's it, your life is over. Fate. Bad luck, whatever.
I'm guessing there are a LOT of people whose last thought is "wow, maybe I should have got a gun for the house" right before the intruder puts their lights out.
I don't ever want that helpless feeling. Statistically, it probably won't happen. but it has to happen to someone. I'd rather die firing back, or not at all, than on the ground shitting myself, crying, praying someone else in the room has a gun and will save my skin.
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Theres quite a few on this board I'd hate to see carry a weapon, heck jaguar most days seems ready to go postal as does 240 and enigma.
I've carried for almost ten years now. I've been punched in the face once, shoved a few times, threatened, and never pulled it.
I know the law and I follow it.
You misconstrue my passion for debate with a readiness to "go postal". that's poor judgment on your part. If we were in a Denny's and someone started popping customers for his "last stand", you'd hit the ground and I'd draw my piece and take for cover. Once you're on the ground, all you can do is pray and hope you're not selected for execution. I'd engage the shooter, either downing or scaring him, and hopefully saving a lot of lives.
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Everyone? No. If a person passes a background check, written and firing tests to show he is competent and well-aware of the law, has never had a mental defect, and is well aware that if that gun ever shows - even the wind blowing your shirt up - you get one yeat behind bars automatic. Then, yes.
(just a hpothetical) - If one man with a gun ever forces his way into your home, you are at his mercy. Think about that. He can line you up, then rape, kill, at his choosing. Family too. You can fight of course, but you will take a bullet and bleed out. And that's it, your life is over. Fate. Bad luck, whatever.
I'm guessing there are a LOT of people whose last thought is "wow, maybe I should have got a gun for the house" right before the intruder puts their lights out.
I don't ever want that helpless feeling. Statistically, it probably won't happen. but it has to happen to someone. I'd rather die firing back, or not at all, than on the ground shitting myself, crying, praying someone else in the room has a gun and will save my skin.
I see your hypothetical as a scare tactic. Yes, it's a possibility but it's also a possibility that I'll win the lottery, I'm not planning my life around that though.
Let me go through a hypothetical for you, that's just as likely to happen as your burglar scenario.
Let's say you have a gun or a collection of guns in your house and they're all under lock and key. Let's also say you have children and or nephews over visiting while you aren't there and they manage to get access to the guns and a tragedy happens with them either shooting themselves or someone else, how would you feel then?
Your scenario and my scenario are equally likely to happen. For every positive you give me I can give you a negative.
My opinion is guns make certain people do stupid things, I've seen it TOO MANY times. Not everyone mind you but certain people. I'm not questioning your right to own a gun although I think your right to carry one is insane.
This isn't the Wild West anymore, there isn't a practical need for people to be carrying around concealed weapons without it being a job requirement. I know you think there is that need but I don't. It's a recipe for disaster.
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Sometimes I don't get u guys. This was some nutbag who decided to kill people. Bush/Hilary/Obama or friggen Rush Limbaugh had nothing to do with it. He was a nutbag with serious issues. But who will pay for this besides those poor famlies..law abiding citizens with guns. And if u want to get political about this..it won't be conservatives calling for our guns it will be the libs..because thats who limits our freedoms historically.
But it's the conservatives who said that, because of the Bush War, we are now 'safe from terrorists'.
They lied - again.
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Everyone? No. If a person passes a background check, written and firing tests to show he is competent and well-aware of the law, has never had a mental defect, and is well aware that if that gun ever shows - even the wind blowing your shirt up - you get one yeat behind bars automatic. Then, yes.
(just a hpothetical) - If one man with a gun ever forces his way into your home, you are at his mercy. Think about that. He can line you up, then rape, kill, at his choosing. Family too. You can fight of course, but you will take a bullet and bleed out. And that's it, your life is over. Fate. Bad luck, whatever.
I'm guessing there are a LOT of people whose last thought is "wow, maybe I should have got a gun for the house" right before the intruder puts their lights out.
I don't ever want that helpless feeling. Statistically, it probably won't happen. but it has to happen to someone. I'd rather die firing back, or not at all, than on the ground shitting myself, crying, praying someone else in the room has a gun and will save my skin.
I don't like guns AT ALL, fucking hate them with a passion. But there is a semi-automatic shotgun under my bed, loaded, just in case (god forbid) that one-in-a-million chance of a psycho looking to kill people happens to my family.
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I've carried for almost ten years now. I've been punched in the face once, shoved a few times, threatened, and never pulled it.
I know the law and I follow it.
You misconstrue my passion for debate with a readiness to "go postal". that's poor judgment on your part. If we were in a Denny's and someone started popping customers for his "last stand", you'd hit the ground and I'd draw my piece and take for cover. Once you're on the ground, all you can do is pray and hope you're not selected for execution. I'd engage the shooter, either downing or scaring him, and hopefully saving a lot of lives.
What time do you eat at dennys, i want to eat at that time so i'll feel safe.
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I see your hypothetical as a scare tactic. Yes, it's a possibility but it's also a possibility that I'll win the lottery, I'm not planning my life around that though.
Let me go through a hypothetical for you, that's just as likely to happen as your burglar scenario.
Let's say you have a gun or a collection of guns in your house and they're all under lock and key. Let's also say you have children and or nephews over visiting while you aren't there and they manage to get access to the guns and a tragedy happens with them either shooting themselves or someone else, how would you feel then?
Your scenario and my scenario are equally likely to happen. For every positive you give me I can give you a negative.
My opinion is guns make certain people do stupid things, I've seen it TOO MANY times. Not everyone mind you but certain people. I'm not questioning your right to own a gun although I think your right to carry one is insane.
This isn't the Wild West anymore, there isn't a practical need for people to be carrying around concealed weapons without it being a job requirement. I know you think there is that need but I don't. It's a recipe for disaster.
Stupid people do stupid things regardless or have you never seen the result of drunk driving. Its against the law but..guess what we still have bars and drunk drivers. I hate to start a heated argument but for the most part gun owners are your most stable people because they know the resposibilty for there actions. Kids and gang bangers don't plain and simple.
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I don't like guns AT ALL, fucking hate them with a passion. But there is a semi-automatic shotgun under my bed, loaded, just in case (god forbid) that one-in-a-million chance of a psycho looking to kill people happens to my family.
Nice. I respect that big time. You're a responsible man.
I keep mine locked up bedside. If they're not on me, they're in the lockbox. nephews and neices never know it's there. It's part of my outfit, like a wallet, keys, cell, etc. it goes into the lockbox with everything else.
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What time do you eat at dennys, i want to eat at that time so i'll feel safe.
hahaha i prefer IHOP.
If I save your ass, will you pay for my rooty tooty fresh n fruity?
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Waffle House.
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Waffle House.
Awful House.
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hahaha i prefer IHOP.
If I save your ass, will you pay for my rooty tooty fresh n fruity?
I thought you were more a MickeyD's man. :D
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I thought you were more a MickeyD's man. :D
When I have 5 minutes to down 50 grams of fat, mcgriddle is the only way to go.
when I have an hour to kill, it's IHOP, perkins, or bob evans. Awful house and dennys = eew.
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Nice. I respect that big time. You're a responsible man.
I keep mine locked up bedside. If they're not on me, they're in the lockbox. nephews and neices never know it's there. It's part of my outfit, like a wallet, keys, cell, etc. it goes into the lockbox with everything else.
Thanks dude.
TBH I think if something like that did happen all you would have to do is let a few rounds go into the cieling and all but the most hardened criminals will just tuck and run. they ain't looking for a gunfight, makes way too much noise. plus you are at such an advantage tactically it would be suicide for them.
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But it's the conservatives who said that, because of the Bush War, we are now 'safe from terrorists'.
They lied - again.
Did I miss some major news? we have been attacked by terrorists again? when? where?
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hahaha i prefer IHOP.
If I save your ass, will you pay for my rooty tooty fresh n fruity?
I'll even pay for your soy-bean burger!
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I'll even pay for your soy-bean burger!
F that. I want a steak and pancakes.
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you're talking like a liberal.
The kid used a 9mm and a 22, you liberal crybaby. a .22 handgun is not an "assault weapon".
Hey, why don't you define for us what an "assault weapon" is?
And, show us the kid used "armor-piercing bullets" please.
Fucking liberal.
Killing 30 is impressive when you considering a 9mm was the primary weapon. When I heard of the death toll, I automatically thought high power rifle.
The killer, although not a citizen, was pretty much an american. He was raised here from an early age and he just had some psychological issues. But I guess some idiot will jump the gun and start whing about asians or immigrants in general.. ::) It could just as easily have been a white dude, people..
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Notice I did say 'intelligent & discerning' Americans.
Then I guess old rooster doesn't make the cut.
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I blame bush for everything. All you people that voted for him must feel really dumb now. ::)
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All you people that voted for him must feel really dumb now. ::)
Here's what they were asking over in the UK.
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Here's what they were asking over in the UK.
I was asking that here myself.
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I was asking that here myself.
...and the answer is...