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Title: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 240 is Back on April 17, 2007, 06:43:03 AM
I hear these terms being throw around in the ignorant ass media and on here as well.  A few points:


"Assault weapon" is used to classify long rifles capable of holding 30+ very fast bullets bullets.  this kid used two handguns, which are NOT assault weapons by any legal or group definition. 

"Automatic weapons" - any gun which fires multiple bullets when the trigger is pulled once.  Again, this was NOT used yesterday.  He used "semi-automatic" guns - which require one trigger pull for every one bullet fired.  Automatic gun = machine gun.  They cost $2500+ each and require a $2000 tax stamp to get, afte r along background check. 

"armor piercing bullets" - beyond ridiculous.  Not used, and not manufactured since 1994. 


So please, if you don't like guns, that is fine.  They save lives and take lives, but a ban would only take them out of the hands of good guys.  Just please, don't abuse words throw around by ignorant people.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Old_Rooster on April 17, 2007, 06:53:28 AM
I never said they were used, I just said idiots that want guns like that legalized are utter morons.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 240 is Back on April 17, 2007, 06:56:07 AM
I never said they were used, I just said idiots that want guns like that legalized are utter morons.

Guns like what?
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Old_Rooster on April 17, 2007, 07:06:30 AM
Guns like what?
duh, a huh a huh a duh duh duh.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 24KT on April 17, 2007, 07:19:12 AM
Guns like what?

nice porcupine  ;D
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: headhuntersix on April 17, 2007, 08:20:09 AM
I know plenty of folks with automatic weapons..nobody ever violated any laws as far as I can see....its assholes who steal them or convert them illigally that commit criimes. It ain't the gun..its the prick behind it.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Always Sore on April 17, 2007, 08:24:11 AM
I know plenty of folks with automatic weapons..nobody ever violated any laws as far as I can see....its assholes who steal them or convert them illigally that commit criimes. It ain't the gun..its the prick behind it.

Well said sir. If all guns were to disapear then it would be knives, after that bats after that hands. There are killings and killers long before there were guns.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 240 is Back on April 17, 2007, 08:25:04 AM
I know plenty of folks with automatic weapons..nobody ever violated any laws as far as I can see....its assholes who steal them or convert them illigally that commit criimes. It ain't the gun..its the prick behind it.

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Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: headhuntersix on April 17, 2007, 08:30:02 AM
Ah yes..me and 240..guns nuts togther...except please tell me u don't carry a 9mm... :P. Monring AS.....
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Old_Rooster on April 17, 2007, 08:30:21 AM
The real answer is todays youth's minds are garbage.  Its like they think human life is a video game, push a button and get a new life.  This generation is without doubt, the worst generation in history.  Be proud of yourselfs, every other kid today is damn near psychotic.  We actually used to fight with our fists and we all understood their ain't no bitch worth a human life, pussy is dime a dozen.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Always Sore on April 17, 2007, 08:31:28 AM
Ah yes..me and 240..guns nuts togther...except please tell me u don't carry a 9mm... :P. Monring AS.....

Morning HH6.. I carry a 9 but prefer a 45. I am thinking about actually going .380 kel tech during the summer...:)
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Always Sore on April 17, 2007, 08:34:26 AM
The real answer is todays youth's minds are garbage.  Its like they think human life is a video game, push a button and get a new life.  This generation is without doubt, the worst generation in history.  Be proud of yourselfs, every other kid today is damn near psychotic.  We actually used to fight with our fists and we all understood their ain't no bitch worth a human life, pussy is dime a dozen.

I agree 100% it has to do with the culture.life is devalued to the point of killing someone over a pair of shoes.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: headhuntersix on April 17, 2007, 08:37:35 AM
I went with the Kimber .45. Even if u wing em..the wing comes off.  ;D. Roster these same kids ur railing against are kicking the dog snot outa the Iraqi's every time we end up in a straight fight. They mowed the shit out of the folks in Falujha..these kids are hero's. Don't lump must of our youth in witha few worthless gangbangers. Well I have 3 more days off so I'm headed to the gym. I'll chime in when i get back.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Always Sore on April 17, 2007, 08:39:25 AM
I went with the Kimber .45. Even if u wing em..the wing comes off.  ;D. Roster these same kids ur railing against are kicking the dog snot outa the Iraqi's every time we end up in a straight fight. They mowed the shit out of the folks in Falujha..these kids are hero's. Don't lump must of our youth in witha few worthless gangbangers. Well I have 3 more days off so I'm headed to the gym. I'll chime in when i get back.

You back in the states man?
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 240 is Back on April 17, 2007, 08:42:33 AM
i'm a glock 40 guy.
keltec 32 backup always (second gun is the fastest reload.)


Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Always Sore on April 17, 2007, 08:44:31 AM
i'm a glock 40 guy.
keltec 32 backup always (second gun is the fastest reload.)




"new york reload"... ;D
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 24KT on April 17, 2007, 09:59:34 AM
I know plenty of folks with automatic weapons..nobody ever violated any laws as far as I can see....its assholes who steal them or convert them illigally that commit criimes. It ain't the gun..its the prick behind it.

Can't argue with that.  :D
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Always Sore on April 17, 2007, 10:13:26 AM
Can't argue with that.  :D

Really that is a suprise.... ;D
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 24KT on April 17, 2007, 10:15:46 AM
Really that is a suprise.... ;D

It shouldn't be.  :-\  You just don't get me.  :'(
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Always Sore on April 17, 2007, 10:20:07 AM
It shouldn't be.  :-\  You just don't get me.  :'(

Ms princess every time I have thought I got you you changed the rules. You are a beautiful enigma... ;D
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 24KT on April 17, 2007, 10:21:14 AM
Ms princess every time I have thought I got you you changed the rules. You are a beautiful enigma... ;D

 ;D   :-*
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 24KT on April 17, 2007, 10:25:22 AM
Ms princess every time I have thought I got you you changed the rules. You are a beautiful enigma... ;D


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=142203.msg2010813#msg2010813


Do you get me now?  ;)
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: bmacsys on April 17, 2007, 01:55:47 PM
I never said they were used, I just said idiots that want guns like that legalized are utter morons.

They are legal you idiot. You just need an FFL.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: bmacsys on April 17, 2007, 01:56:55 PM
Ah yes..me and 240..guns nuts togther...except please tell me u don't carry a 9mm... :P. Monring AS.....

I carry a .45. 9 mm's suck.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 240 is Back on April 17, 2007, 03:09:18 PM
They are legal you idiot. You just need an FFL.

LOL... I didn't want to call him on it.  It sounds like Old Rooster doesn't know much about guns, but has the audacity to lecture others on what should/should not be legal.

I carry a .45. 9 mm's suck.

I used to carry a .45 for probably 3-4 years.  I'm a bit more accurate, and WAY faster on shots #2,3,4 with the 9 mm than the .45

I figure any (god forbid) gun battle I ever face will be over in 5 seconds after a flurry of rounds, so the amount of bullets I can squeeze in matters most.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Cap on April 17, 2007, 03:25:45 PM

I figure any (god forbid) gun battle I ever face will be over in 5 seconds after a flurry of rounds, so the amount of bullets I can squeeze in matters most.
Not bad logic as long as there is no body armor involved, but most people don't think like you Rob.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 24KT on April 17, 2007, 03:31:09 PM
Not bad logic as long as there is no body armor involved, but most people don't think like you Rob.

That's why you always shoot for the head.  :P
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 240 is Back on April 17, 2007, 04:00:36 PM
Not bad logic as long as there is no body armor involved, but most people don't think like you Rob.

That's why you always shoot for the head.  :P

IMO, best technique is to make a conscious effort to hit 2-3 times center mass then if the target has not dropped you focus for head.  Head for the first shot is way too hard with a moving target.  You have to do all this while using your off-hand to cup in front of your skull and forearm to shield upper organs and running at variant speeds diagonally backwards for an exit.

This of course is the plan.  When my brother shot at one of the two men robbing his pharmacy 22 months ago, it was textbook.   Fired 4 shots at the man aiming at him, hitting center mass as the man spun around, then my bro took aim at BG #2, who chose to flee.  I can imagine that most firefights are way less neat and can go any which way.  But the idea is to create distance at variable speeds while creating space, hitting center then head, and getting the hell out of there.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Parker on April 17, 2007, 04:38:33 PM
The real answer is todays youth's minds are garbage.  Its like they think human life is a video game, push a button and get a new life.  This generation is without doubt, the worst generation in history.  Be proud of yourselfs, every other kid today is damn near psychotic.  We actually used to fight with our fists and we all understood their ain't no bitch worth a human life, pussy is dime a dozen.

And who created these kids.....that's right your  and the Baby-boom generation, also known as the "Yes generation", because you guys said yes to everything a kid wanted. No foot in the ass type of parenting.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Cap on April 17, 2007, 04:59:54 PM
That's why you always shoot for the head.  :P
Lol.  We finally agree.  ;D

To Rob:
You bring up the failure drill which is the best way to take someone down.  2 to the chest, one to the head.  Delta expanded on this and had their own version of 4 to center mass and one to the head.  They use mainly Glock 19's so the extra rounds help with that.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: headhuntersix on April 17, 2007, 06:21:05 PM
That and Delta guys shoot thousands of rounds per week.....
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 240 is Back on April 17, 2007, 09:28:29 PM
delta guys shoot straighter and faster than I do :P

After 4 shots i expect the bad guy to have already-
- be downed
- retreated
- tackled me
- shot me

Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: bmacsys on April 18, 2007, 06:31:49 AM
LOL... I didn't want to call him on it.  It sounds like Old Rooster doesn't know much about guns, but has the audacity to lecture others on what should/should not be legal.

I used to carry a .45 for probably 3-4 years.  I'm a bit more accurate, and WAY faster on shots #2,3,4 with the 9 mm than the .45

I figure any (god forbid) gun battle I ever face will be over in 5 seconds after a flurry of rounds, so the amount of bullets I can squeeze in matters most.

Get some body armor. Gives you the edge. ;)
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: bmacsys on April 18, 2007, 06:32:47 AM
That's why you always shoot for the head.  :P

Jag, you don't generally take a headshot because the probability of impact is too low.
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 240 is Back on April 18, 2007, 06:35:10 AM
Jag, you don't generally take a headshot because the probability of impact is too low.

plus people get so damn lucky sometimes - skulls do bounce bullets now and then.  Soft organs do not (although sometimes you get lucky with a rib)
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Always Sore on April 18, 2007, 06:39:43 AM
delta guys shoot straighter and faster than I do :P

After 4 shots i expect the bad guy to have already-
- be downed
- retreated
- tackled me
- shot me



Funny same thing for me when I do shots...Oh you ment shooting nevermind.. ;D
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on April 18, 2007, 09:42:34 AM
Funny same thing for me when I do shots...Oh you ment shooting nevermind.. ;D

haha.  bout time we bringing drinking into this. i like politics, but i usually need a few beers before talking about it with my buddys.

Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: 24KT on April 18, 2007, 01:22:42 PM
Jag, you don't generally take a headshot because the probability of impact is too low.

I was gonna say balls... but I thought that would make too many of you double over in pain at the thought  :P
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: xxxLinda on April 18, 2007, 01:31:16 PM
I've not read your thread, I'm sorry, I'm only just keeping up with this, the news in England. 

I reckon this is how come I moved back to a civilised country, to get away from the mess you call democracy.


SORRY.  I'm upset.  It's a funny Pisces New Moon
I don't know, If I was thinking straight, I'd think it might not be a good time to go out in London either.



T A K E    C  A R E
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Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons"  and "armor piercing bullets"
Title: Re: "Assault weapons", "automatic weapons" and "armor piercing bullets"
Post by: Cap on April 18, 2007, 05:54:15 PM
delta guys shoot straighter and faster than I do :P

After 4 shots i expect the bad guy to have already-
- be downed
- retreated
- tackled me
- shot me



Fixed it.  Unless that is your answer then you should keep practicing.

That and Delta guys shoot thousands of rounds per week.....
Very true.  I was just pointing out their technique, not Rob's "skill" in shooting.