Well, he was able to pull it together and come in looking pretty good for the masters.
Well, he was able to pull it together and come in looking pretty good for the masters.what shows have you won ::) he may not have the best bb genes but he payed his dues
He was given a gift.
"Have trained at Golds ,Venice for 15 years.Have witnessed some hardcore workouts by top bodybuilders.Rory Leidelmeyer being one of the most hardcore and powerful ever witnessed. But have seen some real pathetic workouts by top guys.Here are the all time most pathetic trainers I witnessed.Paul Dillet,Gary Strydom,Mike Christian,Flex Wheeler,Bob Chicarillo.These are not just one time deals either.They were consistent with pathetic training methods and intensity. I dont care what you have read in magazines or heard.They are all awesome bodybuilders and some of my favorites,but it really told me a lot about genetics and extreme drug use. Dont get me started on what I used to see them eating in the weeks leading up to shows.And not just on cheat days. Any one else out there have these same stories?" - Tom
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Imagine what Bob could have accomplished if he actually trained hard.
Imagine what Bob could have accomplished if he actually trained hard.
imo, even the WORSE pro could teach 99% of us tons while in the gym...and this sort of rumor/heresay is generally bogus anyhow.
I'm surprised you guys haven't figured that out already...
imo, even the WORSE pro could teach 99% of us tons while in the gym...
HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How did you read that into what I wrote? heh, course not -- he's the BEST pro trainer...but even if Bob C. was the WORSE pro trainer, imo, I could still learn a lot from him. (not saying Bob C. is the worse, just giving you a scenario).
If you need a trainer must mean that you are doing something wrong from the start.
Yeah it took me years to realize I wasn't god and didn't know everything. Some day you'll realize that too.
heh funny...Good! If anyone believes I'm god, you have my permission to slap them silly.
They did something right to get to where they are -- didn't just fall off the turnip truck massive.
It's called genetics. Most don't train any better than any of us.
Don't you have some self sucking to attempt ?
"Have trained at Golds ,Venice for 15 years.Have witnessed some hardcore workouts by top bodybuilders.Rory Leidelmeyer being one of the most hardcore and powerful ever witnessed. But have seen some real pathetic workouts by top guys.Here are the all time most pathetic trainers I witnessed.Paul Dillet,Gary Strydom,Mike Christian,Flex Wheeler,Bob Chicarillo.These are not just one time deals either.They were consistent with pathetic training methods and intensity. I dont care what you have read in magazines or heard.They are all awesome bodybuilders and some of my favorites,but it really told me a lot about genetics and extreme drug use. Dont get me started on what I used to see them eating in the weeks leading up to shows.And not just on cheat days. Any one else out there have these same stories?" - Tom
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It is just unbelievable how some people think that they know more about bodybuilding than a PRO Bodybuilder. It like saying you know how to swim better than a shark... ::)
No it's not, that a rediculous statement!
No it's not, that a rediculous statement!
Looks like "Evil Angel" is making things more difficult for himself.
Alexxx,
I don't understand...I have a enormous amount of respect for all Pro and their level of commitment and knowledge. I believe it is arrogance and ignorance to think otherwise.
You are making it sound like it is impossible thus limiting yourself. They are all but mere men who have found how to make themselves grow faster. Kevin Levrone takes 7 months off in a year when he trained for mr. Olympia. What do you think would happen to the average guy if he trained with Levrone and had the same determination? People are making it harder on themselves when it is so easy.
Alexxx,
I completely agree with you all Pros are mer men. That is why you have an option you learn with them or try to destroy them so you feel better about yourself. It is sad but several people prefer to destroy someone instead of learning and becoming better.
LOL....
It never fails to make me laugh...all these "hard core" guys in the gym.
Here's a hint:
Making excessive noise...throwing weights around...swearing at the bar...etc, etc.is NOT hard core, it's also not training properly...It's being a complete idiot.
I've trained with some of the best...from old school, to modern day. I've trained with the giant killer himself, Danny Padilla and our training partner Larry Baker...workouts I doubt very much many people could have completed...I've also gone toe to toe with TP, probably THEE strongest BB I've ever trained with.
People can think what they want of my workouts...28 years of experience has tought me much, mainly, how to make a workout more effecient, and not waste energy of training like a madman...all in the name of being "hardcore".
"TRAIN SMARTER, NOT HARDER!"
LOL....
It never fails to make me laugh...all these "hard core" guys in the gym.
Here's a hint:
Making excessive noise...throwing weights around...swearing at the bar...etc, etc.is NOT hard core, it's also not training properly...It's being a complete idiot.
I've trained with some of the best...from old school, to modern day. I've trained with the giant killer himself, Danny Padilla and our training partner Larry Baker...workouts I doubt very much many people could have completed...I've also gone toe to toe with TP, probably THEE strongest BB I've ever trained with.
People can think what they want of my workouts...28 years of experience has tought me much, mainly, how to make a workout more effecient, and not waste energy of training like a madman...all in the name of being "hardcore".
"TRAIN SMARTER, NOT HARDER!"
Eat a healthy diet and exercise.
If so desired, take drugs. Do so at your own discretion and after being properly educated about their use.
I know you might say who am I to talk, but I have people coming up to me all the time asking me what routine I use or how to gain muscle. The basics are 95% of it. In my opinion, the only reason a person should ever need to consult with a guru is during contest prep (dieting) where little details become big details and where a more specific formula needs to be applied. Even during a diet, the basics are the basics.
All the pros mentioned in this post obviously did what worked for them, regardless of intensity.
For a past junkie, TP was incredibly strong. As much as I don't respect some of the choices he made, you can't deny the power he once had.
I was sure that this statement would not go well with you. Since you could not became a PRO and still thinks that you know more that PRO....oh I forgot you just DID NOT WANTED TO.... ::)
You level of frustration and disrespect for bodybuilding and bodybuilder is obvious and sad. Even so you had a Great body you carry a huge amount of frustration....just let it go...be positive
LOL...it's not frustration, it's commonsense, seriously, what makes you think because someone is a pro they more than everyone else who isn't?
Prince makes for such an obvious psychological profile/case study. I'm not saying this as a student of psychology, but just as a perceptive person who can figure out what makes most people tick pretty quickly. Some people (not many) are at times hard to read, but Tom Prince is so blatantly easy to figure out. He was just an intense personality. Everything he did, he did to the max. He worked hard and he partied hard. Now he has the death penalty that is dialysis to deal with to make up for all those years of abuse. :-\
Needless to say, I would grow like a weed off Prince's drug regiment. I would be 220 and a lot harder than I am now using the drugs he did. I'm not saying I would respond like Prince or look like him though (the Kevin Levrone thread was started by McFarland in jest). I'm just saying that anyone would grow off that much gas.
LOL!!!
I think 220 and lean would be a good size at my height. I found that 200 and lean was near my goal look, but not quite there yet. I'm not sure how sustainable 220 and lean would be though.
Genetic plays an undeniable part in Muscle development but to think that knowledge is not a fundamental requirement is ignorance. Arnold had amazing genetic but his knowledge was instrumental to his success. Both componets are essential.
"Have trained at Golds ,Venice for 15 years.Have witnessed some hardcore workouts by top bodybuilders.Rory Leidelmeyer being one of the most hardcore and powerful ever witnessed. But have seen some real pathetic workouts by top guys.Here are the all time most pathetic trainers I witnessed.Paul Dillet,Gary Strydom,Mike Christian,Flex Wheeler,Bob Chicarillo.These are not just one time deals either.They were consistent with pathetic training methods and intensity. I dont care what you have read in magazines or heard.They are all awesome bodybuilders and some of my favorites,but it really told me a lot about genetics and extreme drug use. Dont get me started on what I used to see them eating in the weeks leading up to shows.And not just on cheat days. Any one else out there have these same stories?" - Tom
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Eat a healthy diet and exercise.
If so desired, take drugs. Do so at your own discretion and after being properly educated about their use.
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I wonder about guys like Branch, Ronnie, Johnnie who train very heavily and explosively. Is the reason they train like that so much because that is he way they built their bodies from day one and they feel going lighter would make them lose some of those gains?
"It's not how much you lift, but how good you look lifting it" - Bob Cicherillo
From all accounts, Dillet truly trained like an idiot.
If you need a trainer must mean that you are doing something wrong from the start.
Bob Chick pathetic trainer?
Too many people go to the gym for a few months and expect to be big. Quit for more time than they went in the first place, then repeat the cycle. So, they end up not getting big and huge, or lean enough....
I wonder about guys like Branch, Ronnie, Johnnie who train very heavily and explosively. Is the reason they train like that so much because that is he way they built their bodies from day one and they feel going lighter would make them lose some of those gains?
I'm a retired pro BB, who "won" the Master's thanks to BB.com! They don't judge you on your workouts, what you bench, or what the tape measure says.
"IT'S NOT HOW MUCH YOU LIFT...IT'S HOW MUCH YOU **LOOK** LIKE YOU CAN LIFT!"
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Still waiting for you to explain that one, Goatballs...
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Thanks for filling us all in on the definition of retired...still waiting for your answer. Please, show us all your intelligence.
Bob's training is smart. Guys who try to train like Ronnie Coleman are idiots. Ronnie Coleman would be just as developed if he had trained like Bob does.
Not to mention, Ronnie tore his lats and triceps.
What is the question?
Bob - Zero Mr. Olympias
Ronnie - 8x Mr. Olympias
LOL....
It never fails to make me laugh...all these "hard core" guys in the gym.
Here's a hint:
Making excessive noise...throwing weights around...swearing at the bar...etc, etc.is NOT hard core, it's also not training properly...It's being a complete idiot.
I've trained with some of the best...from old school, to modern day. I've trained with the giant killer himself, Danny Padilla and our training partner Larry Baker...workouts I doubt very much many people could have completed...I've also gone toe to toe with TP, probably THEE strongest BB I've ever trained with.
People can think what they want of my workouts...28 years of experience has tought me much, mainly, how to make a workout more effecient, and not waste energy of training like a madman...all in the name of being "hardcore".
"TRAIN SMARTER, NOT HARDER!"
I find it mindboggling how one of the top athletes of our sport has to explain himself to an internet nerd. It's just mindbending. Can u imagine Gary Payton answering on a net forum to a guy who can't dribble his way out of a paperbag , but who insults his play. Anyway, I think that because guys like bob , gh , disgusted , etc . take the time to share their experience with us , we should be grateful.
Inconsistency is the biggest reason for mediocre results in bodybuilding. Some people on here claim to have been training for years, yet post a pic and look like crap.... they probably weren't lying.... they probably have been training for years: 3 months on and 4 months off, eating a good diet maybe 60% of the time at best, and going out drinking every friday and saturday. Yet they bitch and moan about their lack of progress from their "poor genetics". ::)
Hmm... you can say the same for Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Chris Cormier, Flex Wheeler ... very bad analogy there. Ronnie is a freak, a monster... very few can compare to him.
Well, he was able to pull it together and come in looking pretty good for the masters.
From all accounts, Dillet truly trained like an idiot.
Coupled with his inability to "pose".
I can't help but think, is he slightly mentally retarded? (obviously moreso than the typical juice monkey)
sounds like another skinny jealous loser who breaks his back lifting huge poundages for 2 reps only to look skinny and small, whatever Bob is doing is working fine for him, the man is huge.(http://www.xerratus.com/content/binary/stfu.jpg)
Figure it out, meathead...
Obviously there's more than 1 training methodology to achieve "training intensity."
Chick found what worked for him, and he got a pro card and a 1st place pro win. Kudos.
If all these "experts" and fellow pros sneer and ridicule other certain pros training intensity & commitment, you have to wonder WHAT IF...so and so really worked out harder, better or was more committed? Perhaps they could place higher, etc...
For example, Dorian made some comments about certain pros intensity & commitment...
Alexxx,
I don't understand...I have a enormous amount of respect for all Pro and their level of commitment and knowledge. I believe it is arrogance and ignorance to think otherwise.
sounds like another skinny jealous loser who breaks his back lifting huge poundages for 2 reps only to look skinny and small, whatever Bob is doing is working fine for him, the man is huge.
"TRAIN SMARTER, NOT HARDER!"
(http://www.xerratus.com/content/binary/stfu.jpg)translation=you go to the gym and squat 500 for 2 reps with your 19 inch bird legs and try to impress people and hate on the guy with 30 inch legs leg pressing 3 plates on each side of the leg press correctly.
Taking steroids is not smart and you don't need to train hard when on them. In-fact you don't even need to workout at all and you'll still grow. Try being really smart and train drug free which I doubt you or any other pro has ever done.
Taking steroids is not smart and you don't need to train hard when on them. In-fact you don't even need to workout at all and you'll still grow. Try being really smart and train drug free which I doubt you or any other pro has ever done.
Taking steroids is not smart and you don't need to train hard when on them. In-fact you don't even need to workout at all and you'll still grow. Try being really smart and train drug free which I doubt you or any other pro has ever done.
Seriously... what knowledge? Forget PRO, most Nat level NPC dont even have jobs, or a college degree.
IFBB PRO bbers are PRO's in SPITE of what they do, not because of what they do.
hope this helps.