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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: Bast000 on April 17, 2007, 09:14:40 PM
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what's with people using that in place of ephedra? Is it cheaper than ephedra?
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you can go to your nearest pharmacy and pick it up. and it's bronkaid.
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you can go to your nearest pharmacy and pick it up. and it's bronkaid.
Ahh with a 'k' ..I see, I bet Mr. Magoo supplements with Kock.
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Thanks to GH15 Walgreens and CVS are going to start wondering what's going on with all the meatheads going in and asking for this product. :D
They usually keep it in the pharmacy area or behind the front counter, and you have to sign for it and show ID in order to make the purchase.
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bronkaid contains:
* 25 mg ephedrine sulfate
* 400 mg guaifenesin
And these inactive ingredients:
* croscarmellose sodium
* hydroxypropyl methylcellulose
* magnesium stearate
* magnesium trisilicate
* microcrystalline cellulose
* polyethylene glycol
* povidone and starch
I don't know that you should be taking all those ingredients longterm.
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Yes, much cheaper than Vasopro. Vasopro is roughly 65 cents a pill. Bronkaid is 20 cents.
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Yes, much cheaper than Vasopro. Vasopro is roughly 65 cents a pill. Bronkaid is 20 cents.
Ahh, that's cheaper than ephedra supplements.
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Bast, you had no problem taking pro-hormones, and you are worried about ephedrine ? ???
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Bast, you had no problem taking pro-hormones, and you are worried about ephedrine ? ???
i'm not worried. I take ephedrine
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i'm not worried. I take ephedrine
do you train calves? ???
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i'm not worried. I take ephedrine
This is the very short version but to the point........
1. All stimulants eventually become DEPRESSENTS and will cause you to lose energy, especially when you're on low carbs.
2. If someone is on Ephedrine or any other stimulant the usual first effects are weight loss due to water and some fat, but as time goes on the constant release and (the main factor in all of this) OVERPRODUCTION OF INSULIN will stop a persons body from burning fat and if the carb consumption is too high will cause you to INCREASE fat and will not keep BURNING fat, if you understand how insulin works, you should know this, this is how ephedra has a reverse effect.
3. You said you have been taking ephedrine for 15 years, my guess is it's more of an addiction and does more harm than good, if someone is dependant on stimulants it usually because of low seratonin levels that causes the craving for the stimulants and when low on carbs, you crave carbs.
I reguards to the GH Gut theories that have been speculated, I've heard things from excess carb loading to enlarged organs due to excessive GH to visceral fat, but the one conclusion that I think I have and it makes sense is the overproduction of insulin and some of the main factors in bodybuilding that causes this is stimulants and carb loading both of which will cause and over production of insulin and will cause bloating in the stomach.
I have a TON more on this subject, but I gotta go back to work.
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This is the very short version but to the point........
1. All stimulants eventually become DEPRESSENTS and will cause you to lose energy, especially when you're on low carbs.
2. If someone is on Ephedrine or any other stimulant the usual first effects are weight loss due to water and some fat, but as time goes on the constant release and (the main factor in all of this) OVERPRODUCTION OF INSULIN will stop a persons body from burning fat and if the carb consumption is too high will cause you to INCREASE fat and will not keep BURNING fat, if you understand how insulin works, you should know this, this is how ephedra has a reverse effect.
3. You said you have been taking ephedrine for 15 years, my guess is it's more of an addiction and does more harm than good, if someone is dependant on stimulants it usually because of low seratonin levels that causes the craving for the stimulants and when low on carbs, you crave carbs.
I reguards to the GH Gut theories that have been speculated, I've heard things from excess carb loading to enlarged organs due to excessive GH to visceral fat, but the one conclusion that I think I have and it makes sense is the overproduction of insulin and some of the main factors in bodybuilding that causes this is stimulants and carb loading both of which will cause and over production of insulin and will cause bloating in the stomach.
I have a TON more on this subject, but I gotta go back to work.
True. But only if you take them beyond moderation. I take them maybe a cap twice a week, and only for 6 weeks out of the entire year.
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1. All stimulants eventually become DEPRESSENTS and will cause you to lose energy, especially when you're on low carbs.
I must be the acception to the rule. That's never happened to me, but I've never been low on carbs with ephedrine. Still, doubtful.
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This is the very short version but to the point........
1. All stimulants eventually become DEPRESSENTS and will cause you to lose energy, especially when you're on low carbs.
2. If someone is on Ephedrine or any other stimulant the usual first effects are weight loss due to water and some fat, but as time goes on the constant release and (the main factor in all of this) OVERPRODUCTION OF INSULIN will stop a persons body from burning fat and if the carb consumption is too high will cause you to INCREASE fat and will not keep BURNING fat, if you understand how insulin works, you should know this, this is how ephedra has a reverse effect.
3. You said you have been taking ephedrine for 15 years, my guess is it's more of an addiction and does more harm than good, if someone is dependant on stimulants it usually because of low seratonin levels that causes the craving for the stimulants and when low on carbs, you crave carbs.
I reguards to the GH Gut theories that have been speculated, I've heard things from excess carb loading to enlarged organs due to excessive GH to visceral fat, but the one conclusion that I think I have and it makes sense is the overproduction of insulin and some of the main factors in bodybuilding that causes this is stimulants and carb loading both of which will cause and over production of insulin and will cause bloating in the stomach.
I have a TON more on this subject, but I gotta go back to work.
This is complete bullshit.
I have reviewed of 40 peer-reviewed journals on ephedrine and none have mentioned this.
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This is complete bullshit.
I have reviewed of 40 peer-reviewed journals on ephedrine and none have mentioned this.
Then your reading the wrong journals, this is elementry to a Doctor who has diabetics as patients, why do you think they tell their patients to follow low carb diets and either cut out or reduce caffine and other stimulants?
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Then your reading the wrong journals, this is elementry to a Doctor who has diabetics as patients and patients!
Show me the articles.
If there was an issue this significant (as you claim) then it would be all over ANY article pertaining to the health effects of ephedrine (and there have been many of these articles published). I am not trying to fight you, I am always open to learn more. So please show me the article(s) you base your claim on.
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I also want to mention, that what you are claiming appears to be well out of the realm of possibility for the amounts bodybuilders use.
Stimulation of the beta cells of the pancreas to produce more insulin is a hallmark response of the sympathetic NS stimulation.
What you are proposing is a constitutive overproduction of insulin over basal levels, however, this is simply not going to happen when you are using a drug that only has a half life of 3-4 hours!
Similarly, look at asthma medications such as clenbuterol and albuterol. Both are far more potent than ephedrine and have much longer half-lifes. There does not appear to be an issue with the use of these drugs and damage to the pancreas, resulting in permanent insulin abnormalities.
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I don't know about you guys, but here (Canada) you just gotta find a shady Indian/Pakistani owned health food store.. they keep the original 25mg Ephedrine HCL behind the counters :) just grabbed 3 bottles for summer..
100 tabs @ 25mg for $25 , can't go wrong!
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Then your reading the wrong journals, this is elementry to a Doctor who has diabetics as patients, why do you think they tell their patients to follow low carb diets and either cut out or reduce caffine and other stimulants?
your a fucking idiot, show one article then. The 70's called, they want there toothpick legs back
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I pretty much just stay with vasapro
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bronkaid contains:
* 25 mg ephedrine sulfate
* 400 mg guaifenesin
And these inactive ingredients:
* croscarmellose sodium
* hydroxypropyl methylcellulose
* magnesium stearate
* magnesium trisilicate
* microcrystalline cellulose
* polyethylene glycol
* povidone and starch
I don't know that you should be taking all those ingredients longterm.
What's the difference between ephedrine sulfate and ephedrine HCL? Does one have any advantage over the other?
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i loves me some ECA. what national chains carry bronkaid, and is it a pain in the ass to buy there?
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I pretty much just stay with vasapro
this is the shit. end of story!
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I don't know about you guys, but here (Canada) you just gotta find a shady Indian/Pakistani owned health food store.. they keep the original 25mg Ephedrine HCL behind the counters :) just grabbed 3 bottles for summer..
100 tabs @ 25mg for $25 , can't go wrong!
Does this raise your heart rate significantly? I don't want my blood pressure or heart rate too elevated. I don't know who would
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Wouldn't Primatene be better:
Ingredients:
Active Ingredients: Ephedrine Hcl (USP 12.5 mg) (Bronchodilator), Guaifenesin (USP 200mg) (Expectorant)
Inactive Ingredients: Crospovidone, D&C Yellow 10 Aluminum Lake, FD&C Yellow 6 Aluminum Lake, Magnesium Stearate, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Providone, Silicon Dioxide.
It's dosed a bit lower at 12.5 but you can get 60 tabls for 9.99 so even though you may take two at a time it's gonna work out to about .33 per tab.
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I don't know about you guys, but here (Canada) you just gotta find a shady Indian/Pakistani owned health food store.. they keep the original 25mg Ephedrine HCL behind the counters :) just grabbed 3 bottles for summer..
100 tabs @ 25mg for $25 , can't go wrong!
this sounds like a good idea....but me being the skeptic I am would rather go with bronkaid because as gh15 says, bronkaid is made by bayer, a reputable and legit pharmaceutical company, so you know for sure what you're getting. in a sketchy store, can you really trust the products? i personally wouldn't
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Bronkaid seems to be the best re: ephedrine re price/purity.
First try a healthier stack of Mega T or similar green tea extract in place of eph, along with the same 200 mg. caffeine pill. Gree tea: 400mg polyphenols on two doses a day together with caffeine, stacked with the amino acid L-Tyrosine.
In a study reported on in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, it was found that green tea extract resulted in a significant increase in energy expenditure (a measure of metabolism), plus also had a significant effect on fat oxidation.
While some of the effects were originally theorized to be due to the caffeine content of green tea, the researchers discovered that the tea actually has properties that go beyond those that would be explained by the caffeine.
The same amount of caffeine as was in the green tea, administered alone, failed to change energy expenditure in other studies. This led reseachers to believe that there is some interaction going on with the active ingredients of green tea that promotes increased metabolism and fat oxidation.
The researchers indicated that their findings have substantial implications for weight control. A 4% overall increase in 24-hour energy expenditure was attributed to the green tea extract, however, the research found that the extra expenditure took place during the daytime. This led them to conclude that, since thermogenesis (the body's own rate of burning calories) contributes 8-10% of daily energy expenditure in a typical cubject, that this 4% overall increase in energy expenditure due to the green tea actually translated to a 35-43% increase in daytime thermogenesis.
Of critical importance to thyroid patients is the fact that none of the research subjects reported any side effects, and no significant differences in heart rates were noticed. In this respect, green tea extract is different from some of the prescription drugs for obesity, and herbal products like ephedra, which can raise heart rates and blood pressure, and are not recommended for many individuals, in particular, those with thyroid disease who may be particularly sensitive to stimulants.
If you were to incorporate green tea into your weight loss efforts, how is the best way to go about it?
One way would be to choose a reputable brand of organic green tea at a health food store or natural grocery, and start by taking a cup of tea every day. You can also take a green tea extract, in the form of a supplement.
Either way, says dietitian Lynn Moss, M.S., R.D., a continuing education specialist for Pharmavite, you should take the green tea with meals, to reproduce the study's conditions as much as possible.
Moss also feels that green tea may be a good choice for thyroid patients because, unlike caffeine, " green tea has the potential to accelerate metabolism -- which can help weight loss slightly -- without overstimulating your adrenal glands."
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What's the difference between ephedrine sulfate and ephedrine HCL? Does one have any advantage over the other?
Yea....Does anyone know the difference between these two? I have noticed that the sulfate does not give me the kick that the HCL does. I previously have used Primatene at 25 mg, now I am using 25 mg (2 tabs) of Bronkaid and it just does not feel as strong at all. Anyone have this experience? .
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Anyone?
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someone give me the cliffnotes version:
they sell this stuff at CVS?
Do you have to ask the pharmacist or is it on the shelf?
How much does it cost?
sorry I don't want to read the whole thread.
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Does this raise your heart rate significantly? I don't want my blood pressure or heart rate too elevated. I don't know who would
It does, but GODDAMN I've been on them a week (no gear yet) and I'm dropping bf like crazy!!
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Yea....Does anyone know the difference between these two? I have noticed that the sulfate does not give me the kick that the HCL does. I previously have used Primatene at 25 mg, now I am using 25 mg (2 tabs) of Bronkaid and it just does not feel as strong at all. Anyone have this experience? .
Because ephedrine sulfate is made from ephedrine hydrochloride, it is significantly more expensive - approximately 1.5 times the price of the hydrochloride. The presence of 20% by weight sodium (or potassium) chloride in order to avoid stability problems further dilutes the sulfate and significantly adds to the cost of the sulfate on an active ephedrine basis. Conversely, ephedrine HCl provides a high purity, stable source of ephedine that is readily absorbed by the body and is the most cost effective form of ephedrine available.
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I have used both Primatene and Bronkaid and I also believe I got a bigger "kick" from Primatene, but damn it kept me up late at night. Bronkaid doesn't seem to do that to me.
The funny thing is I still get asthma when I get sick or a have a bad cold, so just having it around is great!
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I got 240 25mg capsules of ephedra from Mr Getbig. Extreme Labs, good stuff.
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I got 240 25mg capsules of ephedra from Mr Getbig. Extreme Labs, good stuff.
;D
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;D
That's not me, that's God.
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I have used both Primatene and Bronkaid and I also believe I got a bigger "kick" from Primatene, but damn it kept me up late at night. Bronkaid doesn't seem to do that to me.
The funny thing is I still get asthma when I get sick or a have a bad cold, so just having it around is great!
Primatene - who else can speak on this?
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That's not me, that's God.
You = ugly.
God = Gary Busey.
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You = ugly.
God = Gary Busey.
No God is pictured above, oh brother what a nose.
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You = ugly.
God = Gary Busey.
Haha - Predator2 was on last night gary busey got fucked by the demon man
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Haha - Predator2 was on last night gary busey got fucked by the demon man
He was just faking it.
In the real world he would kill them all.
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Primatene - who else can speak on this?
Been a while since I've used a E/C product but the Primatene a strong and long lasting feel to it. In tems of feel and effectiveness, I would rate he old Ultimate Orange as the best, followed by Primatene caffeine mix.
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Because ephedrine sulfate is made from ephedrine hydrochloride, it is significantly more expensive - approximately 1.5 times the price of the hydrochloride. The presence of 20% by weight sodium (or potassium) chloride in order to avoid stability problems further dilutes the sulfate and significantly adds to the cost of the sulfate on an active ephedrine basis. Conversely, ephedrine HCl provides a high purity, stable source of ephedine that is readily absorbed by the body and is the most cost effective form of ephedrine available.
Do you think they work the same? Makes sense....but the Bronkaid (sulfate) is cheaper then the Primatene (HCL) where I live. Bronkaid is half the price?
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Just as I had figured.....no reply from Mr. intensione ::)
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Just as I had figured.....no reply from Mr. intensione ::)
He's out drinking some Gh15 flavored Haterade. ;)
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someone give me the cliffnotes version:
they sell this stuff at CVS?
Do you have to ask the pharmacist or is it on the shelf?
How much does it cost?
sorry I don't want to read the whole thread.
yeah i bought mine at cvs. i'm not sure what state you live in, but here you cna't buy more than 4 packs a month or something due to meth use. (illinois)
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this is the shit. end of story!
Isn't that for horses?
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I just bought Bronkaid off Amazon and had it shipped to the UK. I'm hoping it does the business.
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I just bought Bronkaid off Amazon and had it shipped to the UK. I'm hoping it does the business.
They will throw your stupid ass in jail you dumb girl.
You need god. Gary Busey.
If not, Debussey will smack ya silly with a garden hose.
Fucking wanker.
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Primatene - who else can speak on this?
I've used primatene mist in the past, it's expensive, taste's pretty bad and will give you a sore throat. The mist is being discontinued according to my pharmacist because of the way the puffer works. They recently changed the laws regarding this and even if you have a perscription for albuteral you have to have it changed to meet the new standards. Sorry, I only know about the mist, never tried the tabs..the mist did make me "gitery" but I never put 2 and 2 together that it was working like ephedra, I just wasn't thinking about that, I couldn't breath real well at the time.
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so wait....is broncaid the primatine tablets or is it a seperat product altogether? I'm getting confused and NO I didn't read everything in the thread, I was putting the kids to bed and reading it when I got a chance so if it is I missed it...
anyone???
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They will throw your stupid ass in jail you dumb ####.
You need god. Gary Busey.
If not, Debussey will smack ya silly with a garden hose.
Fucking wanker.
You sound like you're having a bad day.
If it does get stopped, the very worst is a slap on the wrist. I was buying an asthma medication for my g/f. Once its arrived then there's nothing anyone can do. Possession is legal in the UK as long as its for personal use. Same with anabolics, I've known guys go to Turkey, buy a couple of cycles worth, and bring it back in to the country, declaring it at Turkish customs as 'for personal use'.
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This is the very short version but to the point........
1. All stimulants eventually become DEPRESSENTS and will cause you to lose energy, especially when you're on low carbs.
2. If someone is on Ephedrine or any other stimulant the usual first effects are weight loss due to water and some fat, but as time goes on the constant release and (the main factor in all of this) OVERPRODUCTION OF INSULIN will stop a persons body from burning fat and if the carb consumption is too high will cause you to INCREASE fat and will not keep BURNING fat, if you understand how insulin works, you should know this, this is how ephedra has a reverse effect.
3. You said you have been taking ephedrine for 15 years, my guess is it's more of an addiction and does more harm than good, if someone is dependant on stimulants it usually because of low seratonin levels that causes the craving for the stimulants and when low on carbs, you crave carbs.
I reguards to the GH Gut theories that have been speculated, I've heard things from excess carb loading to enlarged organs due to excessive GH to visceral fat, but the one conclusion that I think I have and it makes sense is the overproduction of insulin and some of the main factors in bodybuilding that causes this is stimulants and carb loading both of which will cause and over production of insulin and will cause bloating in the stomach.
I have a TON more on this subject, but I gotta go back to work.
lord have mercy ::) No comment.
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bronc aid - live aid
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Show me the articles.
If there was an issue this significant (as you claim) then it would be all over ANY article pertaining to the health effects of ephedrine (and there have been many of these articles published). I am not trying to fight you, I am always open to learn more. So please show me the article(s) you base your claim on.
What kind of studies or articals are you looking for? I mentioned several things in my post. Are you saying that ephedra or stimulants in general does not increase the over production of insulin.....especially at some of the high doses that some people use?
BTW, this is the first time I've been on here all day, if I don't respond right away it's usually because I have a life!
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What kind of studies or articals are you looking for? I mentioned several things in my post. Are you saying that ephedra or stimulants in general does not increase the over production of insulin.....especially at some of the high doses that some people use?
BTW, this is the first time I've been on here all day, if I don't respond right away it's usually because I have a life!
Maybe you missed this relatively large post of mine directly under the one you just quoted :-\ ......You don't seem too smart :-[
I also want to mention, that what you are claiming appears to be well out of the realm of possibility for the amounts bodybuilders use.
Stimulation of the beta cells of the pancreas to produce more insulin is a hallmark response of the sympathetic NS stimulation.
What you are proposing is a constitutive overproduction of insulin over basal levels, however, this is simply not going to happen when you are using a drug that only has a half life of 3-4 hours!
Similarly, look at asthma medications such as clenbuterol and albuterol. Both are far more potent than ephedrine and have much longer half-lifes. There does not appear to be an issue with the use of these drugs and damage to the pancreas, resulting in permanent insulin abnormalities.
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who here has used bronkaid?
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For the love of God DO NOT use primatine mist in place of the tabs. The mist contains epinephrine which is basically adrenaline and does NOT contain any ephedrine. Albuteral on the other hand is much safer and should be over the counter!!!!
I have asthma and I rarely use an inhaler and I do not use any other type of meds for it. Here's a funny story. I always carry my inhaler and on this occasion I forgot to bring it with me. As fate would have it I started to feel an attack coming on. Not a big one, but enough to get me a little worried. So I stopped at a K Mart and went to the pharmacy and told the guy that I was having an attack and needed some albuteral. He said that I needed a script. So, I told him that he had two choices, Give me an inhalor which I would gladly pay for or I was coming back there to get it myself. He told me that I was too big to wrestle so I ended up getting my inhalor. Actually he was pretty cool about it and we both had a laugh about the whole thing when it was over.
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I also want to mention, that what you are claiming appears to be well out of the realm of possibility for the amounts bodybuilders use.
Stimulation of the beta cells of the pancreas to produce more insulin is a hallmark response of the sympathetic NS stimulation.
What you are proposing is a constitutive overproduction of insulin over basal levels, however, this is simply not going to happen when you are using a drug that only has a half life of 3-4 hours!
Similarly, look at asthma medications such as clenbuterol and albuterol. Both are far more potent than ephedrine and have much longer half-lifes. There does not appear to be an issue with the use of these drugs and damage to the pancreas, resulting in permanent insulin abnormalities.
I do realize that more insulin is produced when taking ephedra or any other stimulant (and it's "Sympathomimetic" NOT "symPATHETIC" ::))....and I also realize that, of course does burn fat, again, my arguement is the prolonged use will have an adverse effect on fat burning by causing an over production of insulin, if you have that over production, you will no longer burn fat..........period..... .....is it really that hard to understand?
BTW, you never did answer my question.........Are you trying to say that ephedra or stimulants in general do not produce an over production of insulin?
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lord have mercy ::) No comment.
You don't have a comment because you don't have an answer.......if I'm wrong, show me!
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I just bought Bronkaid off Amazon and had it shipped to the UK. I'm hoping it does the business.
Let me know if you get it ok mate - thinking about getting some off amazon to the uk myself
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you can go to your nearest pharmacy and pick it up. and it's bronkaid.
This sounds like AIDS of the throat!
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For the love of God DO NOT use primatine mist in place of the tabs. The mist contains epinephrine which is basically adrenaline and does NOT contain any ephedrine. Albuteral on the other hand is much safer and should be over the counter!!!!
I have asthma and I rarely use an inhaler and I do not use any other type of meds for it. Here's a funny story. I always carry my inhaler and on this occasion I forgot to bring it with me. As fate would have it I started to feel an attack coming on. Not a big one, but enough to get me a little worried. So I stopped at a K Mart and went to the pharmacy and told the guy that I was having an attack and needed some albuteral. He said that I needed a script. So, I told him that he had two choices, Give me an inhalor which I would gladly pay for or I was coming back there to get it myself. He told me that I was too big to wrestle so I ended up getting my inhalor. Actually he was pretty cool about it and we both had a laugh about the whole thing when it was over.
I talked about it cause I also have asthma, I always carry my inhaler though I don't really have any problems except when it's really cold. I can't stand the primatine mist inhaler, I only used it when I didn't have a script and needed it on a saturday night..that stuff is NASTY.
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For the love of God DO NOT use primatine mist in place of the tabs. The mist contains epinephrine which is basically adrenaline and does NOT contain any ephedrine. Albuteral on the other hand is much safer and should be over the counter!!!!
I have asthma and I rarely use an inhaler and I do not use any other type of meds for it. Here's a funny story. I always carry my inhaler and on this occasion I forgot to bring it with me. As fate would have it I started to feel an attack coming on. Not a big one, but enough to get me a little worried. So I stopped at a K Mart and went to the pharmacy and told the guy that I was having an attack and needed some albuteral. He said that I needed a script. So, I told him that he had two choices, Give me an inhalor which I would gladly pay for or I was coming back there to get it myself. He told me that I was too big to wrestle so I ended up getting my inhalor. Actually he was pretty cool about it and we both had a laugh about the whole thing when it was over.
I know not to use the spray, but what works better....the Primatene tabs (HCL )or Bronkaid (sulfate) The Bronkaid is half the price.
Thanks
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No one at the local pharmacy cares if you buy Bronkaid. Just go to the allergy section, pick up the slip of paper, take to the pharmacy desk. Chances are some 19 year old girl will be helping you anyway and have no clue what you using it for...nor could she care. See, at pharmacies old people come up demanding, ranting, confused and yelling all the time. They spit on the pharmacist and pharmacy technicians, cuss them out, bitch about insurance coverage all day long. Then you have the drug addicts who get prescription meds which are paid for by the state (at least in Arizona). So believe me...the last thing they care about is a well manner, healthy looking person buying some Bronkaid.
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I recently switched to bronkaid and it seemed like it wired me out more does anyone else notice this