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New commerce dept regulations limit what scientists can talk about
Scientists in the fed govt are suddenly being gagged across the board, starting may 14th.
they may not speak on topics without permission, and each statement must be approved?
National weather service is affected also. Their scientists are now silent on topics like, say, global warming.
This goes against all former policies where scientists were allowed to speak out as pvt citizens.
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New commerce dept regulations limit what scientists can talk about
Scientists in the fed govt are suddenly being gagged across the board, starting may 14th.
they may not speak on topics without permission, and each statement must be approved?
National weather service is affected also. Their scientists are now silent on topics like, say, global warming.
This goes against all former policies where scientists were allowed to speak out as pvt citizens.
Guess the government wants more facts instead of theories before we start banning light bulbs and toilet paper.
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Guess the government wants more facts instead of theories before we start banning light bulbs and toilet paper.
I didn't know that one low level scientist, speaking at a college lecture on his OPINION on evidence's meaning, would cause such widespread changes.
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I'll update you, high here today is 76, 1 degree colder than average, global warming has not hit alabama yet.
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I didn't know that one low level scientist, speaking at a college lecture on his OPINION on evidence's meaning, would cause such widespread changes.
personally I am all about free speach and don't think it is right for the government to censor....but we have seen what one guy can do with the correct words. Hitler for one
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personally I am all about free speach and don't think it is right for the government to censor....but we have seen what one guy can do with the correct words. Hitler for one
i am not sure we can compare a phd with an opinion on global warming with a tyrant who killed millions.
And I think global warming is way overblown by a bunch of drama queens.
but censoring the scientists will only fuel doubt, ruin white house credibility, and stop whistleblowers when something really bad is being covered up by the white house. And we do know they do it.
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I always think it's funny as hell when someone has no knowledge of the global warming model beyond what comes of the term, "Global Warming" They reference a cold spell as proof lolol...
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New commerce dept regulations limit what scientists can talk about
Scientists in the fed govt are suddenly being gagged across the board, starting may 14th.
they may not speak on topics without permission, and each statement must be approved?
National weather service is affected also. Their scientists are now silent on topics like, say, global warming.
This goes against all former policies where scientists were allowed to speak out as pvt citizens.
The Fed is obviously nervous and concerned about scientists speaking their mind.
I wonder why.................
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The government is out of the control when it comes to regulating what people can or cannot say..
There was a highschool kid here in NYC who jokingly wrote that he'd like "shoot George W. Bush" in a column that he wrote for his school paper. Guess what? He was payed a visit by the secret service. ::)
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The government is out of the control when it comes to regulating what people can or cannot say..
There was a highschool kid here in NYC who jokingly wrote that he'd like "shoot George W. Bush" in a column that he wrote for his school paper. Guess what? He was payed a visit by the secret service. ::)
He deserves a visit simply for being an idiot.
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Tell me something about global warming, how long til the planet turns into a fireball and explodes because of it.
Remember, i don't have kids so as long as the planet will be here another 30-50 years which i'll definitely be dead somewhere along the way, i don't much give a crap.
anyway, how long we got?
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well, say 70 years, i want JAG to live her life out.
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The government is out of the control when it comes to regulating what people can or cannot say..
There was a highschool kid here in NYC who jokingly wrote that he'd like "shoot George W. Bush" in a column that he wrote for his school paper. Guess what? He was payed a visit by the secret service. ::)
Honestly, anyone that voices the desire to shoot the president should be added to a list. That will be that way no matter who is president.
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He deserves a visit simply for being an idiot.
Yeah, a sixteen year old kid deserves a visit from special agents.. ::) They actually went to his home in washington heights manhattan.. :-X The story was on yesterday's NYpost.
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Which proves my point about another post on here..u guys better watch what u say....they have guys who have nothing better to do then troll the net looking for crap.
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Please! How long before the planet explodes from global warming. I'm playing golf sunday, should i move it up to saturday to be sure i get a round in?
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Yeah, a sixteen year old kid deserves a visit from special agents.. ::) They actually went to his home in washington heights manhattan.. :-X The story was on yesterday's NYpost.
Yes. How stupid is that kid? I'm sure he knows how to read. This has happened to a number of people. He asked for it.
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The Fed is obviously nervous and concerned about scientists speaking their mind.
I wonder why.................
nothing new NASA knew had all the findings a loooooong time ago and was ordered never to bring it up.
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The government is out of the control when it comes to regulating what people can or cannot say..
There was a highschool kid here in NYC who jokingly wrote that he'd like "shoot George W. Bush" in a column that he wrote for his school paper. Guess what? He was payed a visit by the secret service. ::)
You guys aren't very good at staying on topic around here
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You guys aren't very good at staying on topic around here
lol. True. :)
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You guys aren't very good at staying on topic around here
i forgot what this thread was about.....9/11?
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i forgot what this thread was about.....9/11?
Looking through past posts it seems like every post becomes 9/11
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i forgot what this thread was about.....9/11?
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crazy CTer.
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well, say 70 years, i want JAG to live her life out.
You mean it only needs 15-20 years then right?
(Psst... I hear she's old)
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personally I am all about free speach and don't think it is right for the government to censor....but we have seen what one guy can do with the correct words. Hitler for one
You're right and your analogy comparing Hitler to a modern day Scientist studying Global Warming is a good one. Perhaps for an encore you can compare a scientist studying cancer with Mussolini.
The gag order is more proof of this administrations controlling rule, they quite simply have no problem lessening our freedoms.
The funny thing is that Republicans are supposed to champion the concept of less governmental control not more.
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You're right and your analogy comparing Hitler to a modern day Scientist studying Global Warming is a good one. Perhaps for an encore you can compare a scientist studying cancer with Mussolini.
The gag order is more proof of this administrations controlling rule, they quite simply have no problem lessening our freedoms.
The funny thing is that Republicans are supposed to champion the concept of less governmental control not more.
Hitler gained power in Germany using propaganda and charismatic oratory, he appealed to the economic needs of the lower and middle classes.
If you don't think that a scientist could come along that could appeal to the right sect of society and cause major problems here in the US you are very mistaken.
Explain how this administration has affected your freedom of speach.
I wonder if you were as much in shock when the Democrats forbade the term "Global War on Terrorism"
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The funny thing is that Republicans are supposed to champion the concept of less governmental control not more.
Yet you wont see one of them arguing against this nonsense. If they do say something it'll be along the lines of "Oh but those scientists are liars and global warming is a myth you crazy libs."
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Hitler gained power in Germany using propaganda and charismatic oratory, he appealed to the economic needs of the lower and middle classes.
If you don't think that a scientist could come along that could appeal to the right sect of society and cause major problems here in the US you are very mistaken.
Explain how this administration has affected your freedom of speach.
I wonder if you were as much in shock when the Democrats forbade the term "Global War on Terrorism"
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Wow, that was funny.
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Sorry, couldn't stop laughing.
I'm guessing Rush is your Messiah. Perhaps you, Mr. Hate and that old rooster guy can get together and bounce ideas off each other.
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Sorry again but the Hitler analogy just cracks me up.
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If you don't think that a scientist could come along that could appeal to the right sect of society and cause major problems here in the US you are very mistaken.
What kind of problems would they cause? ;D
Would they monger fear in the hopes of putting republicans into concentration camps? ;D
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Wow, that was funny.
Bwaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Sorry, couldn't stop laughing.
I'm guessing Rush is your Messiah. Perhaps you, Mr. Hate and that old rooster guy can get together and bounce ideas off each other.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhaaaaaaa aaaaaa
Sorry again but the Hitler analogy just cracks me up.
Never listen to Rush, I am sorry you are so small minded though. When we don't have cars, lightbulbs, TP, BBQs etc and the nation is rioting just remember the words of the one or 2 kooks that got this whole thing started.
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Never listen to Rush, I am sorry you are so small minded though. When we don't have cars, lightbulbs, TP, BBQs etc and the nation is rioting just remember the words of the one or 2 kooks that got this whole thing started.
You got it, when the US is in the throws of anarchy I'll be sure to give you credit for your Hitler/Global Warming Scientist analogy. ;D
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What kind of problems would they cause? ;D
Would they monger fear in the hopes of putting republicans into concentration camps? ;D
wow, you guys are quick to throw around labels on this board. I guess since I don't feel global warming is man made that makes me a GOPer? When they convince enough people that we need to give up common everyday items based on propoganda maybe you will come around. No more flying, lights, BBQs, cars, home heating oil etc.
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wow, you guys are quick to throw around labels on this board. I guess since I don't feel global warming is man made that makes me a GOPer? When they convince enough people that we need to give up common everyday items based on propoganda maybe you will come around. No more flying, lights, BBQs, cars, home heating oil etc.
They're not asking people to give up anything. Banning incadescent light bulbs is not a big deal. ::
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They're not asking people to give up anything. Banning incadescent light bulbs is not a big deal. ::
I think you need to read more. They want charcoal briquets gone, propane use gone, toilet paper use reduced, cars gone, planes, trains. They don't mention that alot in public forums but look a little further and think about what all the restrictions really mean.
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I guess none of you guys live in NYC? The mayor wants to charge $8 for every car that crosses into city limits. Tell me this global warming stuff won't have a negative effect on the population.
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toilet paper use reduced,
wth is up with that? Talk about a step backwards in sanitation, and preventative disease. morons
i heard sherly crow now only uses 1 square of tp to clean her ass, 1 square people 3 inches by 3 inches1 ploy haha
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wth is up with that? Talk about a step backwards in sanitation, and preventative disease. morons
i heard sherly crow now only uses 1 square of tp to clean her ass, 1 square people 3 inches by 3 inches1 ploy haha
Sorry to say but that is only the beginning
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i am not sure we can compare a phd with an opinion on global warming with a tyrant who killed millions.
And I think global warming is way overblown by a bunch of drama queens.
but censoring the scientists will only fuel doubt, ruin white house credibility, and stop whistleblowers when something really bad is being covered up by the white house. And we do know they do it.
Way overblown by a bunch of drama queens?
Frankly, I don't see this.
Most of what I see in the media, is politicians and scientists stating that it may not be as bad as SOME say, but that we need to do something about the problems that lies ahead.
Or something similar.
Or what's your general impression?
-Hedge
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You mean it only needs 15-20 years then right?
(Psst... I hear she's old)
You heard wrong. >:(
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You heard wrong. >:(
:D
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I guess none of you guys live in NYC? The mayor wants to charge $8 for every car that crosses into city limits. Tell me this global warming stuff won't have a negative effect on the population.
I do... That's out of line. They've also banned trans fats at resteraunts.
I think the $8 doesn't apply to cabbies and downtown residents, but it's still a fucking stupid idea. New Yorkers pay too much in taxes as it is...
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I do... That's out of line. They've also banned trans fats at resteraunts.
I think the $8 doesn't apply to cabbies and downtown residents, but it's still a fucking stupid idea. New Yorkers pay too much in taxes as it is...
The trans fat ban is idiotic. I mean honestly we are all adults correct? I know what trans fats will do to me. I hate big government
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I think the repubs say "we know it's safe and it's not our fault" and it makes them morons.
I think dems say "we know corps are doing it and it's going to be catastrophic in a few decades or less"
The truth is somewhere in the middle, but both sides go for the bleachers in the hope they'll get a double.
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We've got severe drought here in australia for the last few years - no one is calling Global Warming a myth anymore.
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We've got severe drought here in australia for the last few years - no one is calling Global Warming a myth anymore.
but is it man made?
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I haven't researched it myself and there's always some doubt but when all the farmers are going broke you have to look at it seriously, especially if it doesn't improve which it hasn't. Every major city in Australia is on water restrictions too - ie. no watering the garden 7 days a week - you will get fined.
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I haven't researched it myself and there's always some doubt but when all the farmers are going broke you have to look at it seriously, especially if it doesn't improve which it hasn't. Every major city in Australia is on water restrictions too - ie. no watering the garden 7 days a week - you will get fined.
I would never say the climate hasn't changed because it many areas it has. I only want to know if it is man made before I give up BBQing. Man I love a good steak. Droughts happen naturally though, I don't think that the great dust bowl of the 20s was blamed on man made global warming back then. I think in a few years all will straighten out again. Mother Nature is a woman after all.
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I would never say the climate hasn't changed because it many areas it has. I only want to know if it is man made before I give up BBQing. Man I love a good steak. Droughts happen naturally though, I don't think that the great dust bowl of the 20s was blamed on man made global warming back then. I think in a few years all will straighten out again. Mother Nature is a woman after all.
Most scientists are in agreement that the climate change is man made.
Why would they lie? I'm sure they love the good life just as much as anyone.
We're getting record warmth here in Sweden - again. No matter how you slice it, there is a change.
The sooner we do changes, the bigger the chances are that the changes won't even be negative on our lifestyles.
I see absolutely no economical harm in our society becoming more effective in using our resources.
-Hedge
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Most scientists are in agreement that the climate change is man made.
Why would they lie? I'm sure they love the good life just as much as anyone.
We're getting record warmth here in Sweden - again. No matter how you slice it, there is a change.
The sooner we do changes, the bigger the chances are that the changes won't even be negative on our lifestyles.
I see absolutely no economical harm in our society becoming more effective in using our resources.
-Hedge
Most scientists
What about the others? why would they lie. I have seen alot of research on the sun's temperature rise and it seems to me that this piece of info is the only fact that isn't a theory.
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Most scientists
What about the others? why would they lie. I have seen alot of research on the sun's temperature rise and it seems to me that this piece of info is the only fact that isn't a theory.
What about CO2 levels being higher now then they've been in a long time? Deforestation? You don't think that negatively affects the carbon to oxygen cycle?
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What about CO2 levels being higher now then they've been in a long time? Deforestation? You don't think that negatively affects the carbon to oxygen cycle?
I'll concede that. But would it make a difference if the sun wasn't at it's hottest in a decade?
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And I think global warming is way overblown by a bunch of drama queens.
we all know what the people against global ewarming have to gain..
but what do scientist have to gain by proving its here and changing our environment?
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we all know what the people against global ewarming have to gain..
but what do scientist have to gain by proving its here and changing our environment?
According to eg13 they're like Hitler and want to take away BBQs. ;D
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Tell me something about global warming, how long til the planet turns into a fireball and explodes because of it.
Remember, i don't have kids so as long as the planet will be here another 30-50 years which i'll definitely be dead somewhere along the way, i don't much give a crap.
anyway, how long we got?
ooo if ya dont give a shit about humanity..you prolly dont believe in god..i mean otherwise you'd make for a bad christian..anyhow if ya dont give a rats ass..then your ass if fine..shit will prolly start hitting the ceiling only after another 60 or 70 yrs..if we continue in the same way
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ooo if ya dont give a shit about humanity..you prolly dont believe in god..i mean otherwise you'd make for a bad christian..anyhow if ya dont give a rats ass..then your ass if fine..shit will prolly start hitting the ceiling only after another 60 or 70 yrs..if we continue in the same way
Bangladesh, the Netherlands will be under water.
Atleast my parents' town in north bengal will be safe because it's like 600 feet above sea level, can't say the same for the rest of the shitheads. ;D
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Bangladesh, the Netherlands will be under water.
Atleast my parents' town in north bengal will be safe because it's like 600 feet above sea level, can't say the same for the rest of the shitheads. ;D
say good bye to cali..FL ..newyork..london..
actually if the nortth atlantic conveyor shuts down...certain parts of the UK which lie on the same latutude as antartica but remain warm cause of the warmth the current brings will be plunged into mini ice ages..unless ya consider 10 below avg summer temps ok.. :-\
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its already slowing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shutdown_of_thermohaline_circulation
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say good bye to cali..FL ..newyork..london..
actually if the nortth atlantic conveyor shuts down...certain parts of the UK which lie on the same latutude as antartica but remain warm cause of the warmth the current brings will be plunged into mini ice ages..unless ya consider 10 below avg summer temps ok.. :-\
Well, with the influx of all that water that was once ice has gotta fuck with the warm current. Once it shuts down, we're fucked and there will be nothing we can do.
These fucking people saying that global warming is a hoax are idiots. Changes are clearly taking place, whether we're causing them or not. But those fucking Bush nutgobblers keep turning the issue into another political/dem vs rep bullshit, which it's clearly not. :-\
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According to eg13 they're like Hitler and want to take away BBQs. ;D
Hey take away my BBQ and you might as well lock me up!!
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I didn't know that one low level scientist, speaking at a college lecture on his OPINION on evidence's meaning, would cause such widespread changes.
what are you referring to?