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With monsters like these hunting for sacks, I'm starting to wonder if NFL QBs aren't paid enough. Yeesh. :-\
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/25/sports/football/25nfl.html?ex=1335153600&en=02bfdbf3c3ebeef0&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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While going in the first round of the NFL draft might be profitable, with those genetics, he should really consider pro bodybuilding, where the REAL money is.
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Those are amazing stats.
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not so sure about this guy.
in every draft preview i've seen, he was never mentioned.
800 pound squat?
doubt it.
if that were true, he'd be benching more than 475.
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this reminds me of one of my boys whose 6'4 and 325 ... hes a wrestler and muay thai instructor who can do double skips, head kicks, and has better hands and feet than most middleweights ... only difference is when this guy hits the heavy bag he makes the entire gym rattle (and its like 40k sq feet)
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Not to be an asshole but 475lbs doesn't sound too impressive for a guy his size.
True, I can't do it but we're talking about a guy who can only bench about a hundred pounds over his actual weight.
His squat is very impressive(even though I doubt that stat) but his bench is nothing special. I've seen Kelly Gregg from the Baltimore Ravens bench 575 for 2 reps and he's 6 foot, 300 lbs and plays the exact same position.(defensive tackle)
Don't get caught up in stats. If he can't play a lick on the pro level, then what does all those stats mean?
He's better off trying out for pro wrestling with his agility and size.
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not so sure about this guy.
in every draft preview i've seen, he was never mentioned.
800 pound squat?
doubt it.
if that were true, he'd be benching more than 475.
shut up. stop being so fucking cynical.
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shut up. stop being so fucking cynical.
He's not being cynical. I'm having a hard time buying into those stats as well. An 800lbs. squat but only a 475 bench???
I call bullshit right there.
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While going in the first round of the NFL draft might be profitable, with those genetics, he should really consider pro bodybuilding, where the REAL money is.
HAHAHAHA!
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He's not being cynical. I'm having a hard time buying into those stats as well. An 800lbs. squat but only a 475 bench???
I call bullshit right there.
jealous as the day is long that a black man who doesn't eat 8 times a day and buys supplements is stronger, bigger and going to make more money then you ever will
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With monsters like these hunting for sacks, I'm starting to wonder if NFL QBs aren't paid enough. Yeesh. :-\
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/25/sports/football/25nfl.html?ex=1335153600&en=02bfdbf3c3ebeef0&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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Dorian Yates could tackle him, and Kovacs warms-up with his lifts - Kovacs has inclined benched 600 lbs for 8. Top that!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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jealous as the day is long that a black man who doesn't eat 8 times a day and buys supplements is stronger, bigger and going to make more money then you ever will
Brotherman....Step outside the box for a second and calm the fuck down. It's not about jealousy, dude. No need to flip the race card so quickly because you can't make an educational debate about this thread.
If a guy his size couldn't bench more than 100lbs over his bodyweight, then how in the world do you expect us to believe that he could squat 800lbs? Think about that for a second.
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Dorian Yates could tackle him, and Kovacs warms-up with his lifts - Kovacs has inclined benched 600 lbs for 8. Top that!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Brotherman....Step outside the box for a second and calm the fuck down. It's not about jealousy, dude. No need to flip the race card so quickly because you can't make an educational debate about this thread.
If a guy his size couldn't bench more than 100lbs over his bodyweight, then how in the world do you expect us to believe that he could squat 800lbs? Think about that for a second.
Cause he's a bad mother fucker.
True, the stats are probably off/wrong, I'm guessing the average NY Times reader doesn't know the correlation between squat and bench press weight but I think the 4.9 sec 40 is what is impressing me.
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Cause he's a bad mother fucker.
True, the stats are probably off/wrong, I'm guessing the average NY Times reader doesn't know the correlation between squat and bench press weight but I think the 4.9 sec 40 is what is impressing me.
Oh no doubt! 4.9 40 yard dash time is amazing for a dude that size.
I'm just not buying the 800lbs squat. Nor do I believe he'll make the NFL due to the fact that he hasn't engaged in any major Division 1 ball in the last two years.
WWE should be calling him.
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What does the bench press have to do with his position? If he has strong legs and strong shoulder/arms he will do just fine with his genetics and athleticism.
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What does the bench press have to do with his position? If he has strong legs and strong shoulder/arms he will do just fine with his genetics and athleticism.
You can be a stat machine but if you don't have the football IQ or the position technique that goes with it, then you aern't doing shit on the pro level. I don't care how good an athlete you are.
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You can be a stat machine but if you don't have the football IQ or the position technique that goes with it, then you aern't doing shit on the pro level. I don't care how good an athlete you are.
Well I figure some of his supposed talent could pick up the postion well at the pro level much like a kid out of high school goin to the NBA and playing good (kobe, garnett or lebron)
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Not to be an asshole but 475lbs doesn't sound too impressive for a guy his size.
True, I can't do it but we're talking about a guy who can only bench about a hundred pounds over his actual weight.
His squat is very impressive(even though I doubt that stat) but his bench is nothing special. I've seen Kelly Gregg from the Baltimore Ravens bench 575 for 2 reps and he's 6 foot, 300 lbs and plays the exact same position.(defensive tackle)
Don't get caught up in stats. If he can't play a lick on the pro level, then what does all those stats mean?
He's better off trying out for pro wrestling with his agility and size.
::) bullshit.
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This guy will probably be a 5th rounder or later at best.
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jealous as the day is long that a black man who doesn't eat 8 times a day and buys supplements is stronger, bigger and going to make more money then you ever will
hahahahahaha, exactly, the guy probably has a bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch in the morning and he's huge while "upinthemguts" eats 500 grams of protein a day just to bench 225 for 6. ::)
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::) bullshit.
What is?
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What is?
the 575 bench for 2.
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hahahahahaha, exactly, the guy probably has a bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch in the morning and he's huge while "upinthemguts" eats 500 grams of protein a day just to bench 225 for 6. ::)
500 grams a day? Not necessary. I'm only 200 lbs. I'll leave that to that 25% BF fat fucks like yourself who likes to order pizzas and burgers after an intense workout.
Must be turning over a new leaf there Squad. You're siding with a brother this time rather than spit your usual racist remarks? Ron must have whipped your sorry fat ass into shape. Of course, your days of talking tough are all but over ever since you were publicly exposed for the tub of shit that you are.
Is that 3rd chin coming in yet?
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the 575 bench for 2.
Nope. I was there and I witnessed it. I work for the Ravens organization.
News flash. Starting NFL defensive tackles tend to be strong.
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500 grams a day? Not necessary. I'm only 200 lbs. I'll leave that to that 25% BF fat fucks like yourself who likes to order pizzas and burgers after an intense workout.
Must be turning over a new leaf there Squad. You're siding with a brother this time rather than spit your usual racist remarks? Ron must have whipped your sorry fat ass into shape. Of course, your days of talking tough are all but over ever since you were publicly exposed for the tub of shit that you are.
Is that 3rd chin coming in yet?
hahahahahah, sounds like i touched a nerve with that post, the truth has a way of doing that.
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Nope. I was there and I witnessed it. I work for the Ravens organization.
News flash. Starting NFL defensive tackles tend to be strong.
until i see video it's bullshit.
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He's trying to get a chance at the big league, who gives a shit if he can only bench 475lbs. I'm sure if he makes it to the NFL, he'll just get better and better. at least he can move that big body of his
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He's trying to get a chance at the big league, who gives a shit if he can only bench 475lbs. I'm sure if he makes it to the NFL, he'll just get better and better. at least he can move that big body of his
hahahahahahaa, "only 475", how many guys even in a gym with tremendously strong guys in it do you see legit benching 475?
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hahahahahahaa, "only 475", how many guys even in a gym with tremendously strong guys in it do you see legit benching 475?
Haha same as i was thinking, "hugepecs" must be tremendously strong to say such things. haha.
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hahahahaha, i have absolutely destroyed "upinthemguts" spirit, he ran away, chalk up another victim of the Great Sarcasm.
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hahahahahahaa, "only 475", how many guys even in a gym with tremendously strong guys in it do you see legit benching 475?
exactly, I'm not saying 475lbs is a piece of cake. People assume that because the dude is 6'5 and 370lbs, he should automatically be able to bench twice his body weight. he's only 21yrs old, I'm sure within a year, his stats in the weight room will explode to incredible numbers. I'm not sure NFL players lie as much as Bodybuilders about their lifts
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exactly, I'm not saying 475lbs is a piece of cake. People assume that because the dude is 6'5 and 370lbs, he should automatically be able to bench twice his body weight. he's only 21yrs old, I'm sure within a year, his stats in the weight room will explode to incredible numbers. I'm not sure NFL players lie as much as Bodybuilders about their lifts
actually they are worse.
for instance, my college programs dont have the guys max out - they take there best of 3 and mutiply it by an astronomical #.
they did at the school i went to - i did the calucalations as part of an internship/class.
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if this was true, at 370 running a 4.9, he would be all over espn and nfl network's draft specials.
this guy hasnt been shown 1 time.
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well, I haven't heard of him either. I must have miss something, maybe his name will pop up in the draft this saturday
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Who cares what he benches or squats? Stats are impressive but they don't always translate to sucess in pro football.
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Big dude, but something tells me he's got a five-cent head. :-\
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Big dude. All the way big dude.
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all the bullshit calling here makes me laugh. you strike me as the kind of people who would have never believed a 19 year old college football player weighing 260 would be able to deep squat 605 for 9 reps. and yet, the video is out there.
as for his bench weight, i was unaware that there was a locked proportion between bench and squat. i was foolish enough to believe that some people have extremely strong squats but weak benches. i guess the fact that ed coan squatted in the 900s while his bench never broke beyond the low 500s is also impossible, right? or kirk karwoski squatting 1000+ while benching about 570. ::)
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Jesus Christ. Does anyone here even realize that the guys' arms are probably 4 feet long? 6 foot five and benching close to 500 is phenomenal. Most good squatters and deadlifters are not the best benchers as stated by Magoo. Andy Bolton comes to mind.
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hahahahaha, i have absolutely destroyed "upinthemguts" spirit, he ran away, chalk up another victim of the Great Sarcasm.
I'm the one who's laughing, fatboy. ;)
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Nope. I was there and I witnessed it. I work for the Ravens organization.
News flash. Starting NFL defensive tackles tend to be strong.
you work for them?
in the weight room or marketing etc?
i have seen the ravens work out - i live in MD.
before they started with the owings mills facility, they (most) trained at the same gym i went to.
none of them were anything special strong. the biggest was Zeus (orlando brown) who would only do 225.
never saw kelly though and i serioulsy doubt he did 575 for 2.
doubt he could do 575 for 1.
no doubt he is strong though. he was also a ncaa wrestling champ.
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why would you doubt the bench? Brock Lesnars best lifts are a 750 squat and a 450 bench, just depends how good you are. Look at Mark Henry, 900+ squat and dead yet apparently "only" benches 500-550
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Work out warrior at this point.... Show me some film of how he looks on the football field against real nfl caliber talent. Show me some film of the kid on the field period. He wont go in the first round. No sane NFL team would burn a first, second, or third round pick on a kid who played 2 games at a community college then got arrested , lol! He could very well be a sleeper, but no matter what he will be a huge project. He has never faced NFL level talent. he has never faced any level of talent. You dont just go from playing two games at a community college to playing in the NFL. Just because one has crazy physical ability or size, does not mean they will do a thing in the nfl. There are a long list of busts from legit d1 schools nevermind a kid who played 2 games at a community college. There are years of coaching and study that goes into making a d1 athlete ready for the NFL.
Look at guys like Ryan Leaf. Played against real talent. Was a physical specimen, and had all the intangibles to make a phenomenal NFL QB. Guy was a total bust. He was awful. Set the chargers back years when they drafted him at number 2.
This kid could very well be a sleeper that after 2 or 3 years developes into a great player. But considering he was arrested after playing two games at a community college would suggest he will be a total bust anda waste of a late draft pick.
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While going in the first round of the NFL draft might be profitable, with those genetics, he should really consider pro bodybuilding, where the REAL money is.
Or even creating websites for those bodybuilders, even bigger money,
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well, I haven't heard of him either. I must have miss something, maybe his name will pop up in the draft this saturday
You have not heard of him because he is the classic work out warrior. Big time stats and zero playing time against anyone who has talent. He played two games at a community college before he was arrested. It takes years and years of coaching to get d1 athletes ready for the NFL. This kid is just a huge fast person who could ( one in a million) turn out to be a good player after many years. The chances of that happening are slim to none. Think about it, just to get the kid ready to play in the nfl would take years since he has basically never played football at a high level. Guys who come out of legit d1 programs have trouble grasping the speed of the game, and complicated playbooks used in the nfl.
There are so many busts who come from legit d1 schools. Nevermind a guy who played two games at a community college in the middle of nowhere. A team will take a shot at him, but they wont burn a draft pick on him.
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you work for them?
in the weight room or marketing etc?
i have seen the ravens work out - i live in MD.
before they started with the owings mills facility, they (most) trained at the same gym i went to.
none of them were anything special strong. the biggest was Zeus (orlando brown) who would only do 225.
never saw kelly though and i serioulsy doubt he did 575 for 2.
doubt he could do 575 for 1.
no doubt he is strong though. he was also a ncaa wrestling champ.
I work in Media Public relations for the team.
You know honestly, I fouled up with that bench claim. I called a co worker who was there with me and he corrected me. It was actually 495 for two. It was 3 years ago. Kelly is a strong mofo, though. I was glad the Ravens gave him an extension. The fans here in Baltimore absolutely love him.
Their new facilty in Ownings Mills is a beautiful piece of work. Complete state of the art. Have you ever been there?
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Work out warrior at this point.... Show me some film of how he looks on the football field against real nfl caliber talent. Show me some film of the kid on the field period. He wont go in the first round. No sane NFL team would burn a first, second, or third round pick on a kid who played 2 games at a community college then got arrested , lol! He could very well be a sleeper, but no matter what he will be a huge project. He has never faced NFL level talent. he has never faced any level of talent. You dont just go from playing two games at a community college to playing in the NFL. Just because one has crazy physical ability or size, does not mean they will do a thing in the nfl. There are a long list of busts from legit d1 schools nevermind a kid who played 2 games at a community college. There are years of coaching and study that goes into making a d1 athlete ready for the NFL.
Look at guys like Ryan Leaf. Played against real talent. Was a physical specimen, and had all the intangibles to make a phenomenal NFL QB. Guy was a total bust. He was awful. Set the chargers back years when they drafted him at number 2.
This kid could very well be a sleeper that after 2 or 3 years developes into a great player. But considering he was arrested after playing two games at a community college would suggest he will be a total bust anda waste of a late draft pick.
Exactly my point. Workout stats mean absolutely dick. If he hasn't played against top tier competition, especially on the D1 level, then forget about it. He's project, plain and simple.
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Exactly my point. Workout stats mean absolutely dick. If he hasn't played against top tier competition, especially on the D1 level, then forget about it. He's project, plain and simple.
Agree 100 percent....
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I work in Media Public relations for the team.
You know honestly, I fouled up with that bench claim. I called a co worker who was there with me and he corrected me. It was actually 495 for two. It was 3 years ago. Kelly is a strong mofo, though. I was glad the Ravens gave him an extension. The fans here in Baltimore absolutely love him.
Their new facilty in Ownings Mills is a beautiful piece of work. Complete state of the art. Have you ever been there?
yeah, i knew it wasnt 575.
owings mills is nice.
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You have not heard of him because he is the classic work out warrior. Big time stats and zero playing time against anyone who has talent. He played two games at a community college before he was arrested. It takes years and years of coaching to get d1 athletes ready for the NFL. This kid is just a huge fast person who could ( one in a million) turn out to be a good player after many years. The chances of that happening are slim to none. Think about it, just to get the kid ready to play in the nfl would take years since he has basically never played football at a high level. Guys who come out of legit d1 programs have trouble grasping the speed of the game, and complicated playbooks used in the nfl.
There are so many busts who come from legit d1 schools. Nevermind a guy who played two games at a community college in the middle of nowhere. A team will take a shot at him, but they wont burn a draft pick on him.
I agree with your opinion. if any team takes a chance on him, I'm sure in the long run, that kid will worth it. The only question is, how long will it takes for him to blend in. Aint nobody got patience these days. shit, for a league minimum salary, he's worth a try.
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Brotherman....Step outside the box for a second and calm the fuck down. It's not about jealousy, dude. No need to flip the race card so quickly because you can't make an educational debate about this thread.
If a guy his size couldn't bench more than 100lbs over his bodyweight, then how in the world do you expect us to believe that he could squat 800lbs? Think about that for a second.
I agree with Guts. 100 over your weight at that weight ain't impressive. So I have a hard time swallowing 800 pound squat. Especially since we saw vid of the Wisconsin lineman sqauting 605 for 9.