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Does Karate Work? ???
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It worked for them!
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THANK YOU!
All I needed.
I'm going to sign up. 8)
I was checking Wikipedia...
Dojo Kun (the karate code)
Karate has a dojo kun which is basically a set of guidelines for karetekas to follow both in the dojo(a room in which karate is taught) and out of the dojo, in a kareteka's everyday life.
* Seek Perfection of character[2]
* Be Faithful[3]
* Endeavor[4]
* Respect Others[5]
* Refrain from violent behavior[6]
Sounds great!
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THANK YOU!
All I needed.
I'm going to sign up. 8)
I was checking Wikipedia...
Sounds great!
Before you do, make sure it's not a bullshit school. There are schools that only do point fighting because it's not a liability and it gets the soccer moms in the door, especially TaeKwonDo, giving karate a reputation as being soft.
Take Kyokushin Karate(Japanese Full-Contact) or Goju Ryu(traditional Okinawan karate).
Also Shorei-Ryu and SeidoKaikan are good styles.
Most of the karate fighters that are successful in events like K-1 are Kyokushin, because they do a lot of real sparring (gradually of course).
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Before you do, make sure it's not a bullshit school. There are schools that only do point fighting because it's not a liability and it gets the soccer moms in the door, especially TaeKwonDo, giving karate a reputation as being soft.
Take Kyokushin Karate(Japanese Full-Contact) or Goju Ryu(traditional Okinawan karate).
Also Shorei-Ryu and SeidoKaikan are good styles.
Most of the karate fighters that are successful in events like K-1 are Kyokushin, because they do a lot of real sparring (gradually of course).
OK, thanks a million for the info. I'm sure I would have ended up in a class full of Soccer Moms and 3rd Graders. :D
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OK, thanks a million for the info. I'm sure I would have ended up in a class full of Soccer Moms and 3rd Graders. :D
No problem. ;)
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JUST ASK THIS HUNK IF KARATE WERKS
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FIERCE DANCE MOVES!!
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No karate doesn't work. realkarateblackbelt is delusional.
Hope this helps.
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No karate doesn't work. realkarateblackbelt is delusional.
Hope this helps.
Seems like you never did Kyokushinkai.
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If you are talking about skullcrushing cunts then you're better off doing MMA as too much karate training is not practical.
Sure, there are some karate masters out there who are great but for mere mortals you're probably better off training to fight rather than training in karate.
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If you are talking about skullcrushing cunts then you're better off doing MMA as too much karate training is not practical.
Sure, there are some karate masters out there who are great but for mere mortals you're probably better off training to fight rather than training in karate.
Again, don't think that Shotokan style is Karate.
Kyokushinkai Karate is Full Contact, with lots of figthing. Most K-1 fighters come from the Kyokushinkai style.
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Seems like you never did Kyokushinkai.
That's right. Because it's inferior to other martial arts.
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That's right. Because it's inferior to other martial arts.
Whow, you seem to know it all.
So tell me, what are the best martial arts and why?
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Whow, you seem to know it all.
So tell me, what are the best martial arts and why?
Best for what?
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Best for what?
in general. good points and bad points and then coming to a conclusion what is the best.
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in general. good points and bad points and then coming to a conclusion what is the best.
Watch yourself DK... You know he's a cage fighter don't you?
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No McDojo Karate is junk, Cagefighting is where it is at. ;D
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Ahhhhh yes the infamous scene from "Breakin" or was it "Breakin too, the Electric Boogaloo"? Anyways you can see "Turbo" and "Special K" at the end of the clip. Wow takin it back to the Old School. :o ;D 8)
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in general. good points and bad points and then coming to a conclusion what is the best.
We've had this discussion many times on the MMA forum.
But the problem with Kyokushinkai is that they generally don't allow punches to the head, neither in competition or in sparring.
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We've had this discussion many times on the MMA forum.
But the problem with Kyokushinkai is that they generally don't allow punches to the head, neither in competition or in sparring.
So that means by learning that style that you can't hit in the head. That's like saying your not supposed to point guns at people... It doesn't mean you can't, you just shouldn't.
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do nunchaks work? ???
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If you are talking about skullcrushing cunts then you're better off doing MMA as too much karate training is not practical.
Sure, there are some karate masters out there who are great but for mere mortals you're probably better off training to fight rather than training in karate.
I agree with you, most fights are too short and quick to really apply your training (which could take years)
you are better off learning how to quickly injure/disable someone and some defensive moves.
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If you want to learn Karate, Karate works.
It all depends on the practicioner, in the hands of the right person, anything works, even ballet/foxtrot/gymkata etc
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;D
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Get a gun. It works
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Hopefully Berkfury can shed some light on this topic..He should be on day 2 of MMA training I think..he is going far
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Before you do, make sure it's not a bullshit school. There are schools that only do point fighting because it's not a liability and it gets the soccer moms in the door, especially TaeKwonDo, giving karate a reputation as being soft.
Take Kyokushin Karate(Japanese Full-Contact) or Goju Ryu(traditional Okinawan karate).
Also Shorei-Ryu and SeidoKaikan are good styles.
Most of the karate fighters that are successful in events like K-1 are Kyokushin, because they do a lot of real sparring (gradually of course).
Ignore Realkarate's pink belt & poor bodybuilding judgements.
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Karate works as a foundation and a beginning, but make sure you learn more aspects as well, grappling, throws, takedowns,knees etc
It is always better to become as complete as possible.
If you get taken down, you need to have tools to respond with otherwise you will be caught and defeated.
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no it doesn't work.....go with Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, or combat Sambo....what good is a kick or a punch if your on the ground getting choked out or being put in a kimura and your arm breaks? hmm?
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It all depends on who you're facing and what your goal is, Karate works well on people without any wrestling and grapplingskill.
But if you want to always be prepared, no matter who you are facing, your style should be complete, ie you should have a tool for anything that may come up, takedowns and whatnot.
But if you want to impress some 9-year olds, i am certain Karate works well.
Thing is, there was a MMA-boom years ago, and many many people have a multi-faceted fightinggame nowadays, it's not like in the 70's when you could scare of some hoodlums with some Karate kicks in the air.
Back then, Martial Arts had that mystique, nowadays, everyone and their mom is training something, and make no mistake, there is a high chance that it's mixed and complete these days.
Many people are proficient with both striking and grappling these days, so to be ready for any kind of opposition, train so you have tools for any kind of situation.
It all depends on your goal.
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Does Karate Work? ???
Guns work better.
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Don't steal my lines goat! >:(
Guns work better.
Get a gun. It works
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Guns work.
"Hope this helps."
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Don't steal my lines goat! >:(
Sorry, I didn't read your line. My attention span isn't long enough to read the whole thread before replying.
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Sorry, I didn't read your line. My attention span isn't long enough to read the whole thread before replying.
yeah, I rarely read anything here haha
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So that means by learning that style that you can't hit in the head. That's like saying your not supposed to point guns at people... It doesn't mean you can't, you just shouldn't.
Eh? Stay off the drugs.
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95% of the time no... but 5% of dojos turn out solid students
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i can only say this from an english point of veiw, but when i was growin up no one fucked with the boxers, the karate kids usualy got kicked to fuck and had to go with out dinner money for weeks on end!
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Maybe only the more sophisticated families allowed their children to try Karate ;)
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Take muay thai.
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Ask Danielson to teach you!
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Ignore Realkarate's pink belt & poor bodybuilding judgements.
this coming from a guy who refuses to go to a gym, but instead uses a bowflex and plays himself of as a training expert
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Does Karate Work?
In the real world................... .......very little. Most of it is bullshit. Most folks get attacked before they can do anything, they are on the ground out, robbed and, bleeding.
Most guys get into it because they got beat up and want an edge. The best edge is staying away from troubled area's.
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couldn't say it better myself
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Is it possible to super kick a bullet shot at you? :-\
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who is that monster tard looking dude at the end of those pics dude......... the one with the crown and belt...dude looks like he just one the special Olympic kumatay
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None of the people commenting are Karate practicioners and have no clue what they are talking about. More 17 year olds weighing 160 pounds with yellow belts in BJJ commenting of something they don't know about.
People that are REALLY in the know in MMA/K-1 know full contact karate is arguably the best standup fighting style. It's certainly most complete. Taking FC Karate you will learn ALL the kicks they teach in Muay-Thai (though they are executed slightly differently, with more emphasis on hip shifting) and many more. It's the most comprehensive standup style, the closest to the Greek Pancratium; every bodily weapon is employed. In Japan karate is taken very seriously. They invited Muay Thai fighters to Japan to compete against the top FC Karate fighters, and the Karate fighters got the better of them. It's also proven in sport fighting/kickboxing events like K-1.
K-1 essentially determines the best standup fighter in the world. Succesful fighters in K-1 are either FC KARATE or Muay-Thai practicioners. No boxer has excelled in K-1. The "White Buffalo" Francois Botha (held his own with Tyson before being Ko'd) didn't make it very far. Japanese Karate fighter Musashi beat former renowned boxer Ray Mercer.
The current champion of K-1, Semmy Schilt, is a Seidokaikan(an offshoot of Kyokushin) Karate Fighter.
Kyokushinkai Andy Hug (called the "blue-eyed samarai" in Japan) won the K-1 grand Prix championships in 96 before dying of Leukemia at roughly 210 pounds, very small for a K-1 fighter. He also beat Mirko Cro Cop, a kickboxer everyone nuts over.
UFC heavyweight champion, King of Pancrase, Bas Rutten on his fighting background:
How many different styles of fighting have you trained in? Do you have any ranks? Who do you consider your teacher?
"...Kyokushin Karate 2nd Degree, Thai boxing yellow slip (just kidding), Kyokushin All round fighting 5th Degree (I received this after I defeated Takahashi. I didn’t do any test for this).
Anyone that has taken FCKarate and seen Bas take out opponent after opponent with close-range body strikes in Pancrase knows that's something they practice in FCkarate all the time. They don't allow you to punch each other in the face with bare knuckles (though kicking and kneeing is legal) because you wouldn't be able to train anymore if your jaw is fractured or your cheeks are broken. It is important training without gloves, because it is very close to real fighting, effecting how you block. You block differently with gloves. Enroll yourself with your cocky attitude and see how tough you really are.
The standup on UFC with few exceptions is pathetic. FCKARATE will teach you real standup fighting. Stick with Kyokushin, Goju-Ryu (or any okinawan style taught traditionally), stay away from Tae Kwon Do (point fighting), Shotokan (stances too deep, very linear). Karate is proven effective.
K-1 fight held under FC KARATE Rules:
Karate Fighter Andy Hug beating Muay Thai Fighter and K-1 finalist Changphuak Kiatsongrit
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Renowned Kickboxer Pat Smith (UFC veteran) losing to unknown Japanese Karate Fighter
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Karate Kicking Demonstration (Japan):
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karelin would beat all.
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fine and all as a hobby
traditional karate is full of katas and little contact sparring, if any sparring is done it is with gloves and very controlled. you need a lot of sparring time to develop urself as a fighter. kata's are useless.
get a gun/knife/big dog/pepper spray they all work well
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fine and all as a hobby
traditional karate is full of katas and little contact sparring, if any sparring is done it is with gloves and very controlled. you need a lot of sparring time to develop urself as a fighter. kata's are useless.
get a gun/knife/big dog/pepper spray they all work well
Another clown that has absolutely no clue what they're talking about. Traditional karate doesn't use any gloves, only modern sport-oriented karate like TaeKwonDo uses gloves. Traditional Karate is full contact and doesn't use gloves. They fight constantly AND do kata. Kata is very important, and Bas Rutten has commented that he runs through katas even today. The purpose of Kata is so the instructor can evaluate how good your technique is. Sloppy technique is weak in real fighting.
FC Karate is proven in actual fighting, and produces world champion fighters in MMA and K-1.
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Another clown that has absolutely no clue what they're talking about. Traditional karate doesn't use any gloves, only modern sport-oriented karate like TaeKwonDo uses gloves. Traditional Karate is full contact and doesn't use gloves. They fight constantly AND do kata. Kata is very important, and Bas Rutten has commented that he runs through katas even today. The purpose of Kata is so the instructor can evaluate how good your technique is. Sloppy technique is weak in real fighting.
FC Karate is proven in actual fighting, and produces world champion fighters in MMA and K-1.
what clown? many traditional styles use soft glvoes for sparring in the dojo, i am not refeering to old sch japan kind where they use their hands, i am referring to the dojo u find down your street, they use gloves. all karate competitions use gloves and gear, point scoring system
there are more effectives training methods for free fight than kata, spending time fighting is more important than pretending to fight. its a waste of time. u are a black belt right, u know basaida kata? tell me if you are going to use anything of it in a freefight ::)
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what clown? many traditional styles use soft glvoes for sparring in the dojo, i am not refeering to old sch japan kind where they use their hands, i am referring to the dojo u find down your street, they use gloves. all karate competitions use gloves and gear, point scoring system
there are more effectives training methods for free fight than kata, spending time fighting is more important than pretending to fight. its a waste of time. u are a black belt right, u know basaida kata? tell me if you are going to use anything of it in a freefight ::)
Yes I am. You missed the point of what I said. Kata is to evaluate technique. Traditional karate spends time doing kata AND sparring, and they don't usually wear gloves in class sparring or tournaments. Kyokushin and Goju-Ryu don't use gloves. Not for internal tournaments.
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Yes I am. You missed the point of what I said. Kata is to evaluate technique. Traditional karate spends time doing kata AND sparring, and they don't usually wear gloves in class sparring or tournaments. Kyokushin and Goju-Ryu don't use gloves. Not for internal tournaments.
The missing gloves is also a thing to think about. If you have never done it, you don't know how much it hurts compared to fighting with gloves. I have done Muay-Thai and Kyokushinkai, and i liked the Kyokushinkai Karate more, even if there are no kicks or punches to the head.
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The missing gloves is also a thing to think about. If you have never done it, you don't know how much it hurts compared to fighting with gloves. I have done Muay-Thai and Kyokushinkai, and i liked the Kyokushinkai Karate more, even if there are no kicks or punches to the head.
Kicks to the head are usually legal, because they occur less frequently, and they reason you are deserving of a kick to the head since they're easier to block. ;D
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The ts probably dont even read this thread anymore.
Realkarateblackbelt is our little karatenoob that owns himself
everytime he posts about karate or fighting.
Karate, ballet and aerobics they all burn some calories
but they should not be associated with fighting.
Its irresponsible to fool the kid (ts) into taking karate classes
and making him believe he can fight.
Realkarateblacknelt its ok that you are trolling and pretending to be(or actually are)
retarded, but dont fool the kid, he can get seriously injured
by someone who can fight.
This thread should be moved to the newbieboard btw.
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I'd be surprised if the average IQ on Getbig is above 85.
It's pretty obvious why we are falling behind countries like Japan and China; a bunch of kids with no knowledge about something commenting as if they are experts. When you post facts they still don't listen.
While most of you struggle with the english language (despite being native speakers), watch TUFF, and think UFC is good standup fighting, the rest of us are learning and accomplishing things.
Anyone that doubts FC Karate (after numerous videos showing Muay-Thai fighters losing to Karate fighters, and the fact that the K-1 champ is a Seidokaikan fighter) should enroll in a Kyokushin school and demonstrate what a baddass you are. Film it for Getbig preferably. You'd be a legend.
People in the know recognise FC Karate as the best, in MMA and K-1. FC produces world champion fighters.
Muay-Thai clowns get their asses beat in Japan everytime the have open tournaments.
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I think you're absolutely right realkarateblackbelt. I'm not in it cause I got beat up anyway, I've only been in two real fights and I did pretty good. I'm mostly interested in the Karate ideals.
Thank you!
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It's not that I'm pushing an opinion, I'm commenting on the reality.
FC karate fighters are some of the best fighters in the world period.
proven in the ring and in the streets.
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The ts probably dont even read this thread anymore.
Realkarateblackbelt is our little karatenoob that owns himself
everytime he posts about karate or fighting.
Karate, ballet and aerobics they all burn some calories
but they should not be associated with fighting.
Its irresponsible to fool the kid (ts) into taking karate classes
and making him believe he can fight.
Realkarateblacknelt its ok that you are trolling and pretending to be(or actually are)
retarded, but dont fool the kid, he can get seriously injured
by someone who can fight.
This thread should be moved to the newbieboard btw.
shoot yourself. You know nothing.
You may have done two or three shotokan karate lessons or have watched Karate Kid, but you surely have never touched the subject.
There are several Karate Styles that fight full contact without gloves. One of the most famous in Japan is Shorin-Ryu, or Shorinji-Kenpo.
This style is one of the oldest, most complete fighting styles there are. Punches, Kicks, Throws, Locks, all these are used.
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You post facts from fightfinder all the time without knowing anything about the fighters.
Like when you claimed Bob Sapp was a skilled fighter, - he beat Hoost twice he is skilled!! hillarious.
When they came straight from karate, feitosa, Hug etc they lost, lost and lost again.
After a few years when they learned usefull tecniques they started winning.
They said it themself: using only their karate, they could not win.
Schilt is winning with his height and winning with knees.
Which karate school is teaching you to be 7ft tall and knock ppl out with knees?
But its ok I know you are just pretending to be dumb trying to make us annoyed.
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You post facts from fightfinder all the time without knowing anything about the fighters.
Like when you claimed Bob Sapp was a skilled fighter, - he beat Hoost twice he is skilled!! hillarious.
When they came straight from karate, feitosa, Hug etc they lost, lost and lost again.
After a few years when they learned usefull tecniques they started winning.
They said it themself: using only their karate, they could not win.
Schilt is winning with his height and winning with knees.
Which karate school is teaching you to be 7ft tall and knock ppl out with knees?
But its ok I know you are just pretending to be dumb trying to make us annoyed.
You don't know what you're talking about.
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Andy Hug even told that to me in person 1996
in Roppongi when lifting weights.
He realized his Karate was not enough for succeding in K1 before when he was younger and started out in K1.
His axekicks and fighting spirit was fantastic btw.
He was a great fighter may he rip.
My friend was a national competitor in Karate ended up at 7th place thou, he trained for 12years
even he aknowledges that his Karate is not that good outside Karate comps.
He say -"I dont care I really like Karate"
Another friend he is a Karate teacher since 1975 he say if you want to fight, go learn something else
Karate is about something else, something bigger than just fighting.
Humble ppl, great fighters I respect them.
They realize they need major ajustments if venturing to other fighting sports.
But you realkaratebackbelt we know that you dont have blackbelt in anything, you hve very limited knowldge about fighting
you just google little youtubevideos and fight results, trying to prove your weird points with "facts"
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Andy Hug even told that to me in person 1996
in Roppongi when lifting weights.
He realized his Karate was not enough for succeding in K1 before when he was younger and started out in K1.
His axekicks and fighting spirit was fantastic btw.
He was a great fighter may he rip.
My friend was a national competitor in Karate ended up at 7th place thou, he trained for 12years
even he aknowledges that his Karate is not that good outside Karate comps.
He say -"I dont care I really like Karate"
Another friend he is a Karate teacher since 1975 he say if you want to fight, go learn something else
Karate is about something else, something bigger than just fighting.
Humble ppl, great fighters I respect them.
They realize they need major ajustments if venturing to other fighting sports.
But you realkaratebackbelt we know that you dont have blackbelt in anything, you hve very limited knowldge about fighting
you just google little youtubevideos and fight results, trying to prove your weird points with "facts"
Yup..... Muay Thai doesn't work, take karate. Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, bjj, judo. All effective combat proven arts. If you want a strict stand up art, take muay thai.
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Forms aside, I think karate can teach folks good striking techniques. I routinely spar with a veteran FC karate striker, and that sumbich doesn't telegraph his punches at all. All of his power is in the last 6 inches of his punch, and I am nursing a nice septal hematoma thanks to him.
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Well i was training with Masao Kawasoe today and let me tell you, i would never want to fight that man. He is 62 years old this year and had an understanding of Karate rarely seen. A good Karate student can more than hold his own in a street fight, ive seen it enough times. If you are dedicated and willing to learn the essence of what Karate is all about, then i think you will find it can be much more effective than you could possibly imagine. What you see in the dojo is just preperation and fine tuning your tools for when they are needed
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http://break.com/index/black-belt-fails-at-breaking-bat.html
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Total ass clown
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http://break.com/index/anatomy-of-a-one-punch-knock-out.html
The worlds toughest punch belongs to BOXING.
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Yeah, what a pussy. He couldn't break a bat with his hand. Fucking moron.
And no, the most powerful striker pound per pound are Karate fighters.
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hahahahaha FC Karate beats all other standup styles!
Karate beats Muay-Thai
Karate beats Kickboxing
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Hundred man kumite!
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Hundred man kumite!
all show, wouldnt last a second in a real fight.
karate has its strong points, but seriously, if u want to do free fight, just learn MMA from beggining, dont bother learning karate or muay thai or whatever
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hahahahaha FC Karate beats all other standup styles!
Karate beats Muay-Thai
Karate beats Kickboxing
the muay thai guy is at least 3inches and 50pounds shorter and lacks skill.
but the videos show a good karateka fighting. notice the airbounce, use of kicks for long distance and punches in closer distance to follow up, the circling to find an angle to cut in, the axekicks, all elements of karate
but in a free fight match like pride, ufc, where ground work involved, throwing involved, there are many openings in karateka's fight. k-1 is not ground fighting, k-1 is in fact almost karate fighting, thats why karatekas always win that one.
karatekas are good at working distance and timing, kick, move in, punch punch, because this is the way they fight, esp with karate contests using ippon kumite etc.
a karateka needs to train many other techniques to stand a chance. even andy hug, in his fights when he wear boxing gloves u could see he modifiied his punch and style but his distance and timing were excellent, they killed opponents...andy hug is a legend because he adapts
its not the style that makes the fighter, but a fighter that makes the style ;D
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Hands Down when punching or Froward when standing = Your head is open at all times = You will get Knocked the fuck out! Your Tai vs Karate exsample is invalid because 1.You are using the best Karate champ in the world 2.No punches, No knees and, No Elbows alowed lol
Karate has some good points mainly it's good for kicking and if you hold your hands like a boxer you will do ok! This is known as Kick Boxing.
I hope this helps ;)
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Hands Down when punching or Froward when standing = Your head is open at all times = You will get Knocked the fuck out! Your Tai vs Karate exsample is invalid because 1.You are using the best Karate champ in the world 2.No punches, No knees and, No Elbows alowed lol
Karate has some good points mainly it's good for kicking and if you hold your hands like a boxer you will do ok! This is known as Kick Boxing.
I hope this helps ;)
You mix some things up. I agree on the hands, holding them up is essential.
Full contact Karate uses grips and throws also, so it's better than using gloves.
Kickboxing does not allow elbows and knees either. Even european Muay Thai associatins do not allow elbows or knees to the head, so if you're not training in Thailand you will probabaly do not get the chance to strike someone an elbow to the face or you'll get disqualified.
Kicks used in FC Karate are mostly low kicks, so Karate's main advantage is the missing gloves.
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Traditional karate? yes. Local "Studio" of american kempo (or whatever) with a Skittles Taste the Rainbow array of colored belts on the wall, with 24 year old "grandmasters" in bright red uniforms? No freakin way.
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You mix some things up. I agree on the hands, holding them up is essential.
Full contact Karate uses grips and throws also, so it's better than using gloves.
Kickboxing does not allow elbows and knees either. Even european Muay Thai associatins do not allow elbows or knees to the head, so if you're not training in Thailand you will probabaly do not get the chance to strike someone an elbow to the face or you'll get disqualified.
Kicks used in FC Karate are mostly low kicks, so Karate's main advantage is the missing gloves.
i dunno any karate style that uses grips and throw seriously, except enshin karate. most karate styles are cover very basic grab his leg and sweep etc
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all show, wouldnt last a second in a real fight.
karate has its strong points, but seriously, if u want to do free fight, just learn MMA from beggining, dont bother learning karate or muay thai or whatever
hahaha Oh brother. That guy, despite probably being 5'5'' would literally kill almost anyone in a streetfight. I'm not talking about MMA(grappling w/standup), but he probably knows some judo too. Many karate experts do. Bill Wallace started with Judo.
Karate is excellent at every aspect of standup.
They use knees, elbows, headbutts, thigh kicks, you name it.
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the muay thai guy is at least 3inches and 50pounds shorter and lacks skill.
its not the style that makes the fighter, but a fighter that makes the style ;D
I don't think he was that much smaller. The uniform adds the illusion of size. He certainly doesn't lack skill; that is one of the first thai fighters to travel the world challenging other styles. He was a k-1 finalist. I Agree with the last statement, however the question was whether karate is effective. It certainly is, and in my estimation Fullcontact Karate is the best and most complete standup style.
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I don't think he was that much smaller. The uniform adds the illusion of size. He certainly doesn't lack skill; that is one of the first thai fighters to travel the world challenging other styles. He was a k-1 finalist. I Agree with the last statement, however the question was whether karate is effective. It certainly is, and in my estimation Fullcontact Karate is the best and most complete standup style.
For a little less biased opinion, I present to you a classic fight between Rick the Jet Roufus and Thai champion Changpeuk.
BTW, what style does Rick and Duke use now? I think it is Muay Thai...... ;D
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Rick is just a kickboxer.
You are aware they use low kicks in karate too yes?
The point is not whether a certain style is more effective, it is whether karate is effective.
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Rick is just a kickboxer.
You are aware they use low kicks in karate too yes?
The point is not whether a certain style is more effective, it is whether karate is effective.
almost anything is effective if the figther knows how to use the strong points and cover the weak points. judo, samba, mma, kickboxing,
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Rick is just a kickboxer.
You are aware they use low kicks in karate too yes?
The point is not whether a certain style is more effective, it is whether karate is effective.
If you weren't posting videos of mismatched Thais against karatekas I wouldn't have shown this fight. You obviously have an agenda, I am simply trying to be fair and unbiased. ;D
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hahaha Oh brother. That guy, despite probably being 5'5'' would literally kill almost anyone in a streetfight. I'm not talking about MMA(grappling w/standup), but he probably knows some judo too. Many karate experts do. Bill Wallace started with Judo.
Karate is excellent at every aspect of standup.
They use knees, elbows, headbutts, thigh kicks, you name it.
haha yeah i am so scared of the karate human killing machine. oh sensei pls let me live!! quick qns, do you think mr shohan sensei gets more girls than carrot top? ::)
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haha yeah i am so scared of the karate human killing machine. oh sensei pls let me live!! quick qns, do you think mr shohan sensei gets more girls than carrot top? ::)
Yes, I'm sure "OMG" would kick that Japanese guy's ass hahaha.
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If you weren't posting videos of mismatched Thais against karatekas I wouldn't have shown this fight. You obviously have an agenda, I am simply trying to be fair and unbiased. ;D
Does Rick even hold a blackbelt in karate?
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Yes, I'm sure "OMG" would kick that Japanese guy's ass hahaha.
i am a peaceful guy, if anything a 120pound guy with a knife would kick his ass not me
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i am a peaceful guy, if anything a 120pound guy with a knife would kick his ass not me
I fought a guy with a glass shiv and beat him. I don't think he expected me to fight him, he had a shocked look on his face hahaha.
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One of the funniest things i've ever seen on tv was from the show Dr. 90201...The guy who puts fake titties into chicks, Dr. Rey...He is a black belt in Karate and on the show he went up against a ju jitzu guy who weighed easily 20 less then him and the JJ guy choked him out over and over again like it nothing...Dr. Rey said he is done with Karate and is now going to train JJ...He also said he felt like a fool...
As a whole Karate is worthless....Of course their are a few guys that have trained all their life with it and do well...but these guys now have left karate and moved to the future...Karate is not the future....Its a worthless art that makes money for millions of people...In the real world most of your regular black belts that live down the road from all of us are just like Dr.Rey...They will have their asses handed to them 99 times out of a 100 with any wrestler that can take a punch...
If you are going to start training in Karate, go buy yourself a Kool and the gang CD and start watching threes Company...Mr. Furly trained in Karate also...He could probably show you a thing or two...But then again, Retro is in.....Right????
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Not to mention with the Page (Muay Thai/Boxing) win over Chuck (Kempo Karate), we have another example of Muay Thai's superiority over Karate.
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Chuck is only a karate guy when he loses apparently.
Many world champions in standup fighting are karate-based fighters. FC Karate is far superior to Muay-Thai because they have all the arsenal of the MT fighter and more. When they hold competitions in Japan between the two styles the Karate fighters beat the crap out of the MT guys everytime. The current K-1 champ is a Karate fighter, past K-1 champs have been Karate fighters. This is despite the fact that more MT guys enter K-1.
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Chuck is only a karate guy when he loses apparently.
Many world champions in standup fighting are karate-based fighters. FC Karate is far superior to Muay-Thai because they have all the arsenal of the MT fighter and more. When they hold competitions in Japan between the two styles the Karate fighters beat the crap out of the MT guys everytime. The current K-1 champ is a Karate fighter, past K-1 champs have been Karate fighters. This is despite the fact that more MT guys enter K-1.
Nope, he has Kempo tatooed on his left shoulder. His trainer John Hackleman (10th Degree) is student of Walter Godin, who was one of Adrian Emperado's boys. He always was a wrestler/Kempo guy(5th degree himself). One of the reasons I didn't like him was the UFC allowed him to use his Kempo thumbs one too many times for my taste, hence his nickname the "Eyesman."
And as many times as you claim karateka's beating muay thai fighters in Japan, how many times has a world champion karateka beaten a Lumpini stadium champion?
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Well it must have worked well for Chuck if that's the case since he held the LHW belt so long. I'd say that's proof of Karate's effectiveness if that's the case. I never really liked Kempo though. Okinawan and Kyokushin(and it's derivitives) are my favorites.
As for your second question...Well I don't really think very many Karate guys have gone to Thailand to compete over there. But many MT guys have competed in Japan against FC Karate experts and lost. I'm interesting in hearing the special rules you think would give MT guys such a tremendous advantage if the fight were suddenly shifted to Thailand. As far as I know a knee is a knee whether it's used in Japan or Thailand.
FC Karate and Muay-Thai comps will usually be decided by the fighter and not the style. Whatever percieved advantage in each style exist is small. Both styles have access to the primary tools - thigh kicks, round kicks, etc...
The original question was whether Karate is effective, now we are debating Karate vs. MT. It comes down to the fighter usually. K-1 champs have been (and currently) Karate practicioners and MT practicioners. They've never been Gung-Fu, TKD, or Boxers.
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I fought a guy with a glass shiv and beat him. I don't think he expected me to fight him, he had a shocked look on his face hahaha.
my hero
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No, my hero.
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FC Karate and Muay-Thai comps will usually be decided by the fighter and not the style. Whatever percieved advantage in each style exist is small. Both styles have access to the primary tools - thigh kicks, round kicks, etc...
The original question was whether Karate is effective, now we are debating Karate vs. MT. It comes down to the fighter usually. K-1 champs have been (and currently) Karate practicioners and MT practicioners. They've never been Gung-Fu, TKD, or Boxers.
Finally something we can agree upon. I think karate is very effective, but what I have to object to is when you opine that it is the best stand up art. Benny the Jet fought in Thailand, why was it removed from his record? You claim Bas is a karateka, but if you know anything about Bas, you'd know he changed over to Muay Thai prior to the start of his fighting career. He started with TKD before Karate, is he a TKD stylist. In his system of fighting, it is muay thai based. When he stepped down from the Anaconda's, he was replaced with Shawn Thompkins, a representative of his system of fighting, guess what Shawn's school is, a Muay Thai school. Who is the striking coach of Team Quest South? Shawn Thompkins!
I have had the pleasure of training at Marcus Vinicius fine school in CA back in the day, and I can tell you Bas wasn't teaching Karate back then either, Pedro Rizzo, Marco Ruas weren't there doing karate either. For every karateka who has won K1, I can name you just as many muay thai fighters.
Year Champion
1993 Branko Cikatić
1994 Peter Aerts
1995 Peter Aerts
1996 Andy Hug
1997 Ernesto Hoost
1998 Peter Aerts
1999 Ernesto Hoost
2000 Ernesto Hoost
2001 Mark Hunt
2002 Ernesto Hoost
2003 Remy Bonjasky
2004 Remy Bonjasky
2005 Semmy Schilt
2006 Semmy Schilt
Of this list of K1 winners, everyone but Branko, Andy and Semmy are THAI stylists.
Not trying to rag on karate, but I have seen you OPINE over and over about how superior Karate is to all other stand up arts, and I just can't take it anymore. Circumstantial evidence does not a case win, my friend. ;D
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The record of champion karate-based fighters speaks for itself.
More MT/Kickboxing guys enter K-1 than pure Karate fighters, so that's not an accurate indicator of superiority. The only thing that is clear is: Karate, Kickboxing, and Muay-Thai are the only three styles that produce champions in K-1.
Using Bas as an example of of a Muay-Thai based fighter is ridiculous. He's every bit a FC Karate fighter as he is Muay-Thai. Back in the Pancrase days, his use of Karate infighting was always evident. You don't earn 6th degree blackbelt and suddenly forget the style; it's a tremendous accomplishment. He's an expert. The reason he is so great is because he has become MORE than proficient in at least three different stand up styles-TKD, FC KARATE, MUAY-THAI.
The more you learn, the better off you are in all facets of life.
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The record of champion karate-based fighters speaks for itself.
More MT/Kickboxing guys enter K-1 than pure Karate fighters, so that's not an accurate indicator of superiority. The only thing that is clear is: Karate, Kickboxing, and Muay-Thai are the only three styles that produce champions in K-1.
Using Bas as an example of of a Muay-Thai based fighter is ridiculous. He's every bit a FC Karate fighter as he is Muay-Thai. Back in the Pancrase days, his use of Karate infighting was always evident. You don't earn 6th degree blackbelt and suddenly forget the style; it's a tremendous accomplishment. He's an expert. The reason he is so great is because he has become MORE than proficient in at least three different stand up styles-TKD, FC KARATE, MUAY-THAI.
The more you learn, the better off you are in all facets of life.
Or perhaps there aren't that many qualified Karatekas who can do well in K1.
Bas left the Anaconda's to one of his disciples, that disciple, Shawn Thompkins does not teach Karate, even though he was previously a karateka. I wonder why?
If you think muay thai doesn't have infighting, you are cluesless. I will not argue anymore regarding this.
Keep training.
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The hand techniques he was using is familiar to Karatekas...Karate has it's own tournaments; they don't compete as often in K-1. Bas wasted his life training to be a 6th degree blackbelt and now he's a karate fighter....sure.
::) We're going in circles. "Keep training."
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The hand techniques he was using is familiar to Karatekas...Karate has it's own tournaments; they don't compete as often in K-1. Bas wasted his life training to be a 6th degree blackbelt and now he's a karate fighter....sure.
::) We're going in circles. "Keep training."
Said I wasn't going to post on this anymore, but you are missing the point. Bas did in fact train in Karate, karate is an effective style, but I am counter arguing the point that you were TRYING to make in other posts that Karate is superior. I didn't want to name drop, and don't want to come off as a braggart or expert. If you EVER TALK to Bas, ask him his opinion on why he trains MT now. I have had the pleasure of training at a couple of seminars with Bas (very entertaining, and quite informative, leeeever kick). He would show techniques and training methods that he uses himself. Mind you I have his big book of combat, and big DVD set, as well as his self defense through Panther. I could count the times he makes reference to karate on both hands in all of them.
Brett Favre was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons, he was mentored under Mouse Davis/June Jones. Two proponents of the run and shoot. Is Brett a run and shoot guy? Is he a Falcon (when he gets elected to the HOF as a first balloter)? Will he go in as a Falcon? I don't think so. Does that mean he didn't learn anything from the run and shoot? No, I am sure there are SOME similarities in his set up and delivery, BUT Brett is a West Coast Offense guy.
I was a Wing Chun instructor and JKDC associate instructor. I practice little of both now, does that mean it was a waste of time? No, I learned a lot, met a lot of interesting people, got to train with some great instructors. Are there similarities to what I do now to then, YES. Would I have been better suited to train the way I do now then? YES. IF I could go back in time, I would have taken wrestling/judo farther, and started training Muay Thai/Boxing earlier. As it stands, I am a marginal stand up guy, with decent takedowns, decent TD defense. When I play with top tier judokas, they make a mockery of my preivous training. When I box with golden glove level fighters, they kill me (Of course I am not using my deadly biu jee eye jabs, jeet tek, or scoop kick from pananjackman) (that is levity, btw). I wouldn't have even begun REFUTING you had you not made it your set purpose to extol the virtues of Karate over everything else. But your arguements prior was Karate was THE MOST EFFECTIVE STAND UP art.
In short does Karate work?
Yes, against unskilled, untrained non athletic types. Will it work against a well rounded versed fighter? Prolly not, unless some lucky circumstance creates an opportunity. Does it have redeeming virtues that would benefit others? Yes. Best example I can cite you and I am out, HOW MUCH KARATE IS PRACTICED IN BRAZIL? The birthplace of Vale Tudo, NHB where stabbings, kidnappings, murders, etc. NOT MUCH. Now I am really out.
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Hi all,
I'm new to posting. Anyway, Ive been training for a while. I did Karate as a kid made it to brown belt. My father put me through it specifically for discipline and balance. I've been boxing since I was 12 and been kickboxing since I was 15. Ive found that in fighting its mostly dependent on the fighter.
Ive had a few fights and noticed that many people have their own style no matter what it is. But, I found that guys who strictly stick to a discipline such as karate seem to have a disadvantage in a real fight situation. Simply because in order to be effective you would of had years of experience, training etc..
Whereas, in kickboxing Ive seen fighters pick up formidable fighting skills within a year or so (does not apply if your full time geek :S ) Anyhow, I plan on fighting for a few titles to back my name up hopefully by end of the year :D
So when you think about it you could train for years in karate and still be shit when if you train the same with kickboxing you would more likely be more effective in a real fight. By the way I had a fight street fight with a black belt dude once knocked him out one punch so black belt or not it just depends on the individual. ( Not trying to brag or anything just being factual many people are like wow "black belt!" just bs labels - black belt or what still human).
In my books kickboxing is the number one striking style simply because its basic yet extremely effective while karate can complicate things. (Sorry guys my karate is limited so feel free to comment).
Sorry for long post!
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Hi all,
I'm new to posting. Anyway, Ive been training for a while. I did Karate as a kid made it to brown belt. My father put me through it specifically for discipline and balance. I've been boxing since I was 12 and been kickboxing since I was 15. Ive found that in fighting its mostly dependent on the fighter.
Ive had a few fights and noticed that many people have their own style no matter what it is. But, I found that guys who strictly stick to a discipline such as karate seem to have a disadvantage in a real fight situation. Simply because in order to be effective you would of had years of experience, training etc..
Whereas, in kickboxing Ive seen fighters pick up formidable fighting skills within a year or so (does not apply if your full time geek :S ) Anyhow, I plan on fighting for a few titles to back my name up hopefully by end of the year :D
So when you think about it you could train for years in karate and still be shit when if you train the same with kickboxing you would more likely be more effective in a real fight. By the way I had a fight street fight with a black belt dude once knocked him out one punch so black belt or not it just depends on the individual. ( Not trying to brag or anything just being factual many people are like wow "black belt!" just bs labels - black belt or what still human).
In my books kickboxing is the number one striking style simply because its basic yet extremely effective while karate can complicate things. (Sorry guys my karate is limited so feel free to comment).
Sorry for long post!
Mad Sole has spokent the correct. Not to mention his Sunga sister would kill Danny B. ;D
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Mad Samoan is correct on some points. I must admit I'm surprised.
Muay-Thai/Kickboxing(kickboxing as a style is really just karate without the formalities, katas, and with boxing punches.) is effective at an earlier stage than karate because it teaches you the most effective strikes and focuses on those from the beginning. Karate teaches you the same strikes, and many more, and they also put greater demand on perfection of technique.
It takes much longer to become proficient in Karate but the payoff is greater.
In today's "give it to me now" ADHD world, perhaps most people are better taking kickboxing.
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Boxing is probably the best art.
Bruce Lee said a good striker will always beat a good martial artist.
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Boxing is probably the best art.
Bruce Lee said a good striker will always beat a good martial artist.
yes and thats why karate sucks. because they for most of the time dont allow punches to the head
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Mad Samoan is correct on some points. I must admit I'm surprised.
Muay-Thai/Kickboxing(kickboxing as a style is really just karate without the formalities, katas, and with boxing punches.) is effective at an earlier stage than karate because it teaches you the most effective strikes and focuses on those from the beginning. Karate teaches you the same strikes, and many more, and they also put greater demand on perfection of technique.
It takes much longer to become proficient in Karate but the payoff is greater.
In today's "give it to me now" ADHD world, perhaps most people are better taking kickboxing.
why not buy a gun or taser? much more effective
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realkarateblackbelt is easily one of the most delusional clowns to ever post here i havent read so much bullshit since scimoweser said kicks was usefull in a street fight
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Boxing is probably the best art.
Bruce Lee said a good striker will always beat a good martial artist.
Kickboxing is a combination of boxing and kicking..!! Boxing is ok but realistically if a boxer comes accross a guy who can use his legs effectively he ll have a very hard time trying to get close.
This is because boxers have a habit of leaning slightly forward on their front leg, in a hunched type defensive position - this gives people who can kick an excellent target since there is limited chance for the boxer to avoid the kick attack. This is simply because all their weight is on the front leg. (Of course there are exceptions - if your very quick).
Just take a look look at some of the k1 fights where boxers enter the ring thers one with Lebanner and this boxer dude with american shorts on.(Sorry guys cant be stuff looking)
Kickboxers have a more upright fighting stance which allows greater manouverability with their legs - give better range with kick attacks allows an effective defense vs kicks.
By the way, who would want a gun? Only pussy's would use a gun or a weapon because they cant fight. A gun would mean you intend to kill who wants to do that? Even if you do shoot them in the leg they might die.. Only paranoid people carry guns because theyre scared of other people with guns or/and that they lack skill, strength, confidence to defend themselves adequately. Unless you live in Iraq who needs a gun?... People who post get a gun are fuckn idiots thats not the point of the discussion.
Take the gun away and what do you have? Nothing but your skills if you cant fight lol practice your diplomacy skills "Ahh You dont want to do this I know Karate! Rrrrrraaa!!!".. 2 step running technique works just as good :D
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legs are useless in a fight.
hope this helps
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realkarateblackbelt is easily one of the most delusional clowns to ever post here i havent read so much bullshit since scimoweser said kicks was usefull in a street fight
There are different types of kicks - kicks can be effective just none of that fancy shit. Instead Bluto you should say "I cant use kicks in a fight" Your throwing a blanket statement.
Front kicks are very effective but none of that fancy technique stuff - a simple lunge kick to the chest area can put your opponent on the ground. Then theres the kick to the head while on ground :D
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There are different types of kicks - kicks can be effective just none of that fancy shit.
no.
all kicks are equally worthless
maybe with the exception of a stop kick/front kick
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no.
all kicks are equally worthless
maybe with the exception of a stop kick/front kick
Yea you know what I mean then :D Ive seen one dude though use a head kick that layed this guy out cold. A lil Chinese dude he won heaps of respect from the island boys (the guy he laid out was a samoan dude a friend of mine). Lol we all saw it but rather than pounce on him we were like whoaa! nice kick dude lol
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My Gymkata fighting style has seen me through several fights successfully.
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Yea you know what I mean then :D Ive seen one dude though use a head kick that layed this guy out cold. A lil Chinese dude he won heaps of respect from the island boys (the guy he laid out was a samoan dude a friend of mine). Lol we all saw it but rather than pounce on him we were like whoaa! nice kick dude lol
Best counter to the roundhouse kick to the leg is to step in and throw your cross. (followed by lead hand hook and a knee to cap it off)
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no.
all kicks are equally worthless
maybe with the exception of a stop kick/front kick
stupidiest statement of the century
one good kick to anywhere will wind a person up
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stupidiest statement of the century
one good kick to anywhere will wind a person up
yeah that sounds really usefull ::)
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I've used a kick effectively against a guy that obviously had boxing experience. He charged right into a roundhouse to the face. A front kick would have been even better though.
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Boxing is probably the best art.
Bruce Lee said a good striker will always beat a good martial artist.
Yes, I see how well the boxers have done in K-1. I can't believe people still reference Bruce Lee. The foundation of his art "Jeet Kune Do" is wing chun Gung Fu, and there aren't a lot of Gung Fu guys dominating K-1 either hahahaha. I think Shaolin would be good, but there aren't many legitimate Shoalin guys outside of the monastery as far as I know. Okinawan karate is heavily influenced by Shaolin - Shorin-ryu - Shaolin-fist!
K-1 is dominated by FC Karate, Muay-Thai, and kickboxing.
Also, Bruce Lee never competed, he was an actor, and Chuck Norris (karate guy!) implied without saying it that he would kick Bruce Lee's ass in a recent radio interview.
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Yes, I see how well the boxers have done in K-1. I can't believe people still reference Bruce Lee. The foundation of his art "Jeet Kune Do" is wing chun Gung Fu, and there aren't a lot of Gung Fu guys dominating K-1 either hahahaha. I think Shaolin would be good, but there aren't many legitimate Shoalin guys outside of the monastery as far as I know. Okinawan karate is heavily influenced by Shaolin - Shorin-ryu - Shaolin-fist!
K-1 is dominated by FC Karate, Muay-Thai, and kickboxing.
Also, Bruce Lee never competed, he was an actor, and Chuck Norris (karate guy!) implied without saying it that he would kick Bruce Lee's ass in a recent radio interview.
Wrong, Norris is a Tong Soo Do guy. Don't tell me that this is Karate as well.....And in the history of K1, there was two FC Karate champs, Hug, and Semmy. Get your facts straight.
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Wrong, Norris is a Tong Soo Do guy. Don't tell me that this is Karate as well.....And in the history of K1, there was two FC Karate champs, Hug, and Semmy. Get your facts straight.
Don't you mean Tang Soo do? Depending on who you ask, it's a form of karate.
I said K-1 champs have been Muay-Thai, Kickboxers, and FC Karate. There's no contradiction here. Fewer full-contact Karate guys enter K-1 because they have their own tournaments, and Kyokushin doesn't like their fighters competing outside.
I'm not wrong about ANYTHING! You make yourself look foolish.
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None of the people commenting are Karate practicioners and have no clue what they are talking about. More 17 year olds weighing 160 pounds with yellow belts in BJJ commenting of something they don't know about.
People that are REALLY in the know in MMA/K-1 know full contact karate is arguably the best standup fighting style. It's certainly most complete. Taking FC Karate you will learn ALL the kicks they teach in Muay-Thai (though they are executed slightly differently, with more emphasis on hip shifting) and many more. It's the most comprehensive standup style, the closest to the Greek Pancratium; every bodily weapon is employed. In Japan karate is taken very seriously. They invited Muay Thai fighters to Japan to compete against the top FC Karate fighters, and the Karate fighters got the better of them. It's also proven in sport fighting/kickboxing events like K-1.
K-1 essentially determines the best standup fighter in the world. Succesful fighters in K-1 are either FC KARATE or Muay-Thai practicioners. No boxer has excelled in K-1. The "White Buffalo" Francois Botha (held his own with Tyson before being Ko'd) didn't make it very far. Japanese Karate fighter Musashi beat former renowned boxer Ray Mercer.
The current champion of K-1, Semmy Schilt, is a Seidokaikan(an offshoot of Kyokushin) Karate Fighter.
Kyokushinkai Andy Hug (called the "blue-eyed samarai" in Japan) won the K-1 grand Prix championships in 96 before dying of Leukemia at roughly 210 pounds, very small for a K-1 fighter. He also beat Mirko Cro Cop, a kickboxer everyone nuts over.
UFC heavyweight champion, King of Pancrase, Bas Rutten on his fighting background:
Anyone that has taken FCKarate and seen Bas take out opponent after opponent with close-range body strikes in Pancrase knows that's something they practice in FCkarate all the time. They don't allow you to punch each other in the face with bare knuckles (though kicking and kneeing is legal) because you wouldn't be able to train anymore if your jaw is fractured or your cheeks are broken. It is important training without gloves, because it is very close to real fighting, effecting how you block. You block differently with gloves. Enroll yourself with your cocky attitude and see how tough you really are.
The standup on UFC with few exceptions is pathetic. FCKARATE will teach you real standup fighting. Stick with Kyokushin, Goju-Ryu (or any okinawan style taught traditionally), stay away from Tae Kwon Do (point fighting), Shotokan (stances too deep, very linear). Karate is proven effective.
K-1 fight held under FC KARATE Rules:
Karate Fighter Andy Hug beating Muay Thai Fighter and K-1 finalist Changphuak Kiatsongrit
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Renowned Kickboxer Pat Smith (UFC veteran) losing to unknown Japanese Karate Fighter
Karate beating Muay Thai (Japan):
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Karate Kicking Demonstration (Japan):
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Here is a post where you reperesnt that karate is better than MT.
Let me make this clear for you. I do think Karate is effective. Is it the be all end all you make it out to be. NO.
To say Tong Soo Do is a form of Karate is like saying Sambo is a form of Judo. Although most of the techniques are descendant from Judo, Sambo and BJJ are not Judo. Count Maeda's judo looks totally different from what Carlos taught Relio. And Relio's style is totally different from Carlos. You can't claim one thing when it helps you argument, then deny it when it doesn't help. Heck, if thats the case, everyone should just take Judo. Jigoro Kano devised the perfect system which spawned BJJ and Sambo. Vasili Oshchepkov, is widely recognized as one of the founders of Sambo, was a black belt in Judo. So Judo must be the most effective art because it birthed BJJ (which has produced the most MMA fighters, and was undefeated in Vale Tudo (which most resembles a street fight) and Sambo because the worlds best fighter trains in that. (Fedor, not Semy)
Lets alll agree that Karate would and will work in some circumstances, and is an effective form of self defense. But to prattle on and on about how it is the best stand up art is reeeeediculous. And did you get a hold of Bas? Did he tell you why he has guys training MT at Legends. How many Karate classes are offered by El Guapo. Erik Paulson's first martial art was TKD. Is he a TKD sytlist? Does he teach Josh Barnett TKD? Ken Shamrock should have shown some TKD after training with Erik, shouldn't he? How about Frank Trigg, surely his axe kick must be out of this world?
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I can't spell his name but any true practicioner will know who I am talking about... One of the greatest Karate grand masters is maso yama (That's the best way for me to put it.) But that man was a true warrior..I remember when I was 10 my cousin telling me of him killing bulls with his bare hands and shit. After cutting off their horns with his bare hands.. That in a ring would be deadly, I dont care who your fighting......
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I can't spell his name but any true practicioner will know who I am talking about... One of the greatest Karate grand masters is maso yama (That's the best way for me to put it.) But that man was a true warrior..I remember when I was 10 my cousin telling me of him killing bulls with his bare hands and shit. After cutting off their horns with his bare hands.. That in a ring would be deadly, I dont care who your fighting......
That's Masutasu Oyama, founder of Kyokushin Karate, the style of Andy Hug, former K-1 champ.
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there's only a handfull of people with karate background in k1 and their success is because of their ability as athletes and crosstraining, not karate.
in fact, if they had not wasted time on karate they would've been even MORE successful.
so to answer your question - no karate doesnt work. not on the street, hardly in the ring.
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there's only a handfull of people with karate background in k1 and their success is because of their ability as athletes and crosstraining, not karate.
in fact, if they had not wasted time on karate they would've been even MORE successful.
so to answer your question - no karate doesnt work. not on the street, hardly in the ring.
Actually agree with Bluto on this. It takes longer (admittedly) for a karateka to train in a "live" manner and develop the attributes of fighting. A lot of time is spent on self perfection of technique versus developing, timing, speed, power, body mechanics, line familiarization, killer instinct, conditioning.
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That's Masutasu Oyama, founder of Kyokushin Karate, the style of Andy Hug, former K-1 champ.
I know this man he is one of my favorite fighters of all time...
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Actually agree with Bluto on this. It takes longer (admittedly) for a karateka to train in a "live" manner and develop the attributes of fighting. A lot of time is spent on self perfection of technique versus developing, timing, speed, power, body mechanics, line familiarization, killer instinct, conditioning.
Well you can both be wrong. Just as Bluto was wrong about Rampage losing.
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Mad Samoan is correct on some points. I must admit I'm surprised.
Muay-Thai/Kickboxing(kickboxing as a style is really just karate without the formalities, katas, and with boxing punches.) is effective at an earlier stage than karate because it teaches you the most effective strikes and focuses on those from the beginning. Karate teaches you the same strikes, and many more, and they also put greater demand on perfection of technique.
It takes much longer to become proficient in Karate but the payoff is greater.
In today's "give it to me now" ADHD world, perhaps most people are better taking kickboxing.
^^^It seems you agree with my assertion as well.
Actually agree with Bluto on this. It takes longer (admittedly) for a karateka to train in a "live" manner and develop the attributes of fighting. A lot of time is spent on self perfection of technique versus developing, timing, speed, power, body mechanics, line familiarization, killer instinct, conditioning
And I was right regarding Page, unlike Bluto.
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Yes, Karate is a more comprehensive style. Eventually the FC Karate guys catch up and surpass kickboxers and Muay-Thai practicioners, provided they keep with it.