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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: littleguns on June 02, 2007, 09:22:02 AM
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Milos, thank you for taking time to read this...
I was reading the article on Silvio in the recent MD. Not sure if you read it but they shared the workout drink you have been suggesting...
2 quick questions
1. Regarding Pre Workout...how long in advance
2. Article states that you have your athletes also use the drink during workouts....all the journals I have read state that taking in any kind of drink during exercise is useless as all the blood flow needed to break down food intake is obviously redirected to the muscles.....as in the "fight or flight mechanism"
Your thoughts?
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:D
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Well...first you cannot deport US citizens...
Second: as far as my pre/during/post workout drinks - I will explain in detail when I have a chance (I did at my seminar...BTW)...but bottom line is:
With increased blood flow (up to 80% of blood rushed to the muscle) and blood SATURATED with exact predigested nutrients of choice (no need for additional breakdown) and hyperinsulinemic state - WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN?
Better yet - why don't you try BEFORE you answer it...
My first batch of products ARE available in my gym... ;)
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hahahahah, it's amazing how you little faggggots come out of the woodwork with this "deport Milos" bullshit just because the guy has some success, hahahaha, fuccking haters. :o
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Milos, Thanks for answering as I know how busy you are.
Not sure if we are talking about the same shake intake...My second question is
ingestion of your shake DURING workout. My understanding through nutrition and metabolism classes in College is that the drink will sit in the gut until the body returns to homeostasis where blood flow returns to the stomach thus shuttling the nutrients to the muscles.
I guess my confusion is this...IF my above statement is true where your "during workout shake" is not digested till after a workout and then you take a post workout shake wouldn't you be oversaturating the muscles?
Is there an official website where you are selling this shake so us Easterners can buy it?
Have a great weekend!
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hahahahah, it's amazing how you little faggggots come out of the woodwork with this "deport Milos" bullshit just because the guy has some success, hahahaha, fuccking haters. :o
lol thats the second meltdown today ^^
oh and massive dicksucking from you daddy ::)
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Milos is a genius. He knows his shit!
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Well...first you cannot deport US citizens...
Second: as far as my pre/during/post workout drinks - I will explain in detail when I have a chance (I did at my seminar...BTW)...but bottom line is:
With increased blood flow (up to 80% of blood rushed to the muscle) and blood SATURATED with exact predigested nutrients of choice (no need for additional breakdown) and hyperinsulinemic state - WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN?
Better yet - why don't you try BEFORE you answer it...
My first batch of products ARE available in my gym... ;)
Milos, I don't read mags too much, but I read your info about pre-, during- and post-workout drinks in FLEX a few months back, and it really stuck with me.
Can you give us a few sentences on it? Whey+creatine+glutamine mixes?
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In the recent MD he lists
3-5 gms of creatine
5-10 gms of glutamine
15-20 gms of essential amino acids
15 gms of BCAA's
30-50 gms of vitargo
1 tsp of electrolyte drink powder
16-24 oz of water
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In the recent MD he lists
3-5 gms of creatine
5-10 gms of glutamine
15-20 gms of essential amino acids
15 gms of BCAA's
30-50 gms of vitargo
1 tsp of electrolyte drink powder
16-24 oz of water
you should probably add 30 grams of whey also
that is my pwo drink except for the electrolyte
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lol thats the second meltdown today ^^
oh and massive dicksucking from you daddy ::)
it's not his day today.
In the recent MD he lists
3-5 gms of creatine
5-10 gms of glutamine
15-20 gms of essential amino acids
15 gms of BCAA's
30-50 gms of vitargo
1 tsp of electrolyte drink powder
16-24 oz of water
sounds interesting.
Milos, is your supplement available in europe?
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it's not his day today.
sounds interesting.
Milos, is your supplement available in europe?
it would be cool to buy it in premade transporatble packages..I have to prep my own drink..I tried to show my girlfriend how to make it for me. But she said no because doesn't like me taking "steroids" :P LOL
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it would be cool to buy it in premade transporatble packages..I have to prep my own drink..I tried to show my girlfriend how to make it for me. But she said no because doesn't like me taking "steroids" :P LOL
premade drinks in disposable bottles that are AFFORDABLE would be great.
It should be possible, and it would be very convenient.
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Well...first you cannot deport US citizens...
Second: as far as my pre/during/post workout drinks - I will explain in detail when I have a chance (I did at my seminar...BTW)...but bottom line is:
With increased blood flow (up to 80% of blood rushed to the muscle) and blood SATURATED with exact predigested nutrients of choice (no need for additional breakdown) and hyperinsulinemic state - WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN?
Better yet - why don't you try BEFORE you answer it...
My first batch of products ARE available in my gym... ;)
Based on your articles in FLEX, I made a few modifications to my supplement routine.
Pre-Workout: 1-2 scoops protein powder with a NO product (SuperPump 250 or powdered PUMP-TECH).
During workout: SIZE-ON
Post-workout: 11/2- 2 scoops protein powder, 2 scoops Anator P-70, 1 scoop Six Star Advanced Creatine.
It's been about two weeks and one thing's certain. It definitely gets the strength up there.
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it would be cool to buy it in premade transporatble packages..I have to prep my own drink..I tried to show my girlfriend how to make it for me. But she said no because doesn't like me taking "steroids" :P LOL
It certainly wouldn't the first time someone said something like that. I heard a girl tell her boyfriend, that he didn't need to take a certain supplement, the label of which he was reading at GNC. She concluded with, "You might as well take steroids.". The guy was looking at either Muscle Milk or Up Your Mass.
Back when I was in school, I was having lunch and two freshman football players sat not too far from me. One started mixing his protein drink in his shaker. Upon seeing that, the other said, [/i] "I don't f*$^ with that s#*&; that @*#& will shrink your nuts"[/i]. I took a gander at the container of what the first guy was consuming. The alleged gonad-shrinking potion: Weider Dymanic Weight Gainer (Signature Line).
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would be nice if it was an RTD
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wow protein? and mixing creatine and carbs? amazing
where do you guys come up with all this break through stuff !!!
also ive never seen any studies backing glutamine ever. EVER.
carry on.
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Lemme take a stab at this one...Milos can correct me if I get it wrong...
But I think it depends on the type of carb and protein ingested. Dextrose and Vitargo types of carbs don't sit in your stomach -- they are immediately (or nearly so) pumped into your blood stream. And, he chose to use aminos in his drinks rather than protein. So again, your stomach doesn't have to break anything down - the aminos are more or less immediately pumped into your blood stream.
Therefore, neither carb, nor amino (what's being used to substitute standard protein) will sit in your stomach.
...cuz yea, you've got a good point -- it's stupid to eat a steak and yam (or whey and complex carb) while working out...that'd just sit in your stomach and not be of use for hours.
I've been drinking a 100g carb + 40g aminos drink during each of my 2x/day workouts (yeah, it's like 8 scoops a pop...heh) -- in 1 liter of water. NO PROBLEMS at all. It's wonderful.
Thanks Garreth, good stuff
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"it's stupid to eat a steak and yam (or whey and complex carb) while working out."
amazing.
im learning so much in this thread!
and there i was, for years, eating steaks between sets! what a fool ive been!
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hahahahah, it's amazing how you little faggggots come out of the woodwork with this "deport Milos" bullshit just because the guy has some success, hahahaha, fuccking haters. :o
Brutal going 180° on Milos + spending your entire sunday online ;D
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Read in the parenthesis you moron. It's called hyperbole. ::)
Milos rentboy
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Milos rentboy
Sean Rey guy ::)
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sgt. d i want your cock right now and fast
Sorry dude I only like women
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Sorry dude I only like women
::)
LAME
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Well...first you cannot deport US citizens...
Second: as far as my pre/during/post workout drinks - I will explain in detail when I have a chance (I did at my seminar...BTW)...but bottom line is:
With increased blood flow (up to 80% of blood rushed to the muscle) and blood SATURATED with exact predigested nutrients of choice (no need for additional breakdown) and hyperinsulinemic state - WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN?
Better yet - why don't you try BEFORE you answer it...
My first batch of products ARE available in my gym... ;)
Will I end up in hospital?
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::)
LAME
I'm lame because I love women? ???
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wow protein? and mixing creatine and carbs? amazing
where do you guys come up with all this break through stuff !!!
also ive never seen any studies backing glutamine ever. EVER.
carry on.
Exactly, Milos is like 10 years behind other supplement companies. He promoted this stuff like it was something revolutionary. Take a look at Biotests Surge drink. Same shit.
And regarding the bloodflow and delivering aminos during the workout somehow boosting anabolism -- it's a nice theory but there is no proof at all that it makes you grow faster at the end of the day. Aminos in a fasted state and/or preworkout boosts protein synthesis acutely but what about in someone who is not training in a fasted state and eating a lot of protein already? That's what's unknown.
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Exactly, Milos is like 10 years behind other supplement companies. He promoted this stuff like it was something revolutionary. Take a look at Biotests Surge drink. Same shit.
And regarding the bloodflow and delivering aminos during the workout somehow boosting anabolism -- it's a nice theory but there is no proof at all that it makes you grow faster at the end of the day. Aminos in a fasted state and/or preworkout boosts protein synthesis acutely but what about in someone who is not training in a fasted state and eating a lot of protein already? That's what's unknown.
From what I've read, Sarcev seems to be promoting the timing of consuming these nutrients, moreso than the nutrients themselves. As I stated in my initial post here, it's not much different than what I've been doing.
The changes I've made is that I'm taking a creatine supplement during my workout (SIZE-ON). And, I'm taking the pre-workout shake much closer to traning time than I was in the past, mixing it with a NO product. The post-workout shake has been a constant.
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In the recent MD he lists
3-5 gms of creatine AGREE
5-10 gms of glutamine USELESS NO SCIENTIFIC STUDIES TO SUPPORT THIS aa UNLESS YOU ARE A TRIATHLETE OR MARATHON RUNNER
15-20 gms of essential amino acids UM, NO NEED FOR MORE THAN 3-6 EAA'S AT MOST! ALSO 50% OF WHOLE PROTEIN IS EAA - SO WHY NOT USE WHOLE PROTEIN SUCH AS WHEY?
15 gms of BCAA's GREAT FOR EXPENSIVE PRODUCT, DOES NOTING ON ITS OWN OR THAT WHOLE PROTEIN WON'T DUE
30-50 gms of vitargo AGREE
1 tsp of electrolyte drink powder UNLESS YOU EXERCISE LONGER THAN 75 MINUTES OR ARE ON AAS, NO NEED FOR THIS
16-24 oz of water MORE UNLESS YOU WANT TO DRINK SLUDGE OF HIGH OSMOLOLAITY!
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From what I've read, Sarcev seems to be promoting the timing of consuming these nutrients, moreso than the nutrients themselves. As I stated in my initial post here, it's not much different than what I've been doing.
The changes I've made is that I'm taking a creatine supplement during my workout (SIZE-ON). And, I'm taking the pre-workout shake much closer to traning time than I was in the past, mixing it with a NO product. The post-workout shake has been a constant.
Do you think nutrient timing is critical? Do you think it will make you grow faster and/or bigger in the end?
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3-5 gms of creatine AGREE
5-10 gms of glutamine USELESS NO SCIENTIFIC STUDIES TO SUPPORT THIS aa UNLESS YOU ARE A TRIATHLETE OR MARATHON RUNNER
15-20 gms of essential amino acids UM, NO NEED FOR MORE THAN 3-6 EAA'S AT MOST! ALSO 50% OF WHOLE PROTEIN IS EAA - SO WHY NOT USE WHOLE PROTEIN SUCH AS WHEY?
15 gms of BCAA's GREAT FOR EXPENSIVE PRODUCT, DOES NOTING ON ITS OWN OR THAT WHOLE PROTEIN WON'T DUE
30-50 gms of vitargo AGREE
1 tsp of electrolyte drink powder UNLESS YOU EXERCISE LONGER THAN 75 MINUTES OR ARE ON AAS, NO NEED FOR THIS
16-24 oz of water MORE UNLESS YOU WANT TO DRINK SLUDGE OF HIGH OSMOLOLAITY!
I agree that aminos don't provide anything that whole proteins don't except the speed of absorption which is Milos' point - to supply the aminos to the working muscles. Intact protein, even whey, takes a while to absorb. I don't think it makes a real difference in the end for most though since people usually have had a meal or meals hours in advance of the workout (aminos are in the blood during the workout).
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I agree that aminos don't provide anything that whole proteins don't except the speed of absorption which is Milos' point - to supply the aminos to the working muscles. Intact protein, even whey, takes a while to absorb. I don't think it makes a real difference in the end for most though since people usually have had a meal or meals hours in advance of the workout (aminos are in the blood during the workout).
I agree. If the nutrition DURING workout is crucial, then free amino acids do the trick. That would also fit the vitargo, wich is absorped very fast.
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hahaha, steak doesn't take 9 fucckin' hrs to digest, where did you hear that?
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You wanna delete your post?
"...I dunno the digestion times, but lets assume..."
--garraeth
calm down tiger it aint that importany, have some dextrose and glutamine and relax.
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calm down tiger it aint that importany, have some dextrose and glutamine and relax.
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah...
Only problem w/ that is, again, timing. It's a pain in the ass to time it exactly right, and the meal will be digested slowly so there is no real peak of aminos in the bloodstream even if you do get the timing right.
Even if I agreed with what you said we then arrive at my second point: will nutrient timing affect muscle growth at the end of the day? What Milos says is PURE THEORY. There isn't much scientific proof that having high amino levels around the workout will make you grow any faster. One of the premier protein researchers, I forget if it was Tipton or Lemon or someone else, said that nutrient timing MIGHT improve rates of muscle growth but it would take YEARS for it to be measurable.
There are plenty of huge bodybuilders who rarely have protein shakes or even worry about quick carbs after workouts.
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Do you think nutrient timing is critical? Do you think it will make you grow faster and/or bigger in the end?
I think so. But, I don't expect a huge difference by taking Milos Sarcev's advice. As I've stated before, it isn't that much different than what I've been doing for a while.
The biggest alterations over the last two weeks have simply been adding an NO product (SuperPump 250 or powdered PUMP-TECH) to my pre-workout protein shake and, SIZE-ON during my workout, and replacing CELL-TECH with Six Star creatine.