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If top tier bodybuilders like Ronnie, Jay and a few others are making around 150 k a year. What do 2nd and 3rd tiers make?
What about the NPC guys? What's the point taking massive amounts of drugs and living a shitty life when you struggle to break even?
Wouldn't they be better off spending their drug money on an education? And if they're not the academic type, then why couldn't they just have picked a trade like plumbing or carpentry?
Something tells me competitive bodybuilders aren't really all that smart. :-\
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Or, instead of doing what others think would be a wiser decision, they live their lives as they wish. Nobody is holding a gun to their head.
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Or, instead of doing what others think would be a wiser decision, they live their lives as they wish. Nobody is holding a gun to their head.
They pick that lifestyle because most of them are too fucking dumb to have taken a different route. Sad but true. Althought I do think some are pretty smart(Chick, Milos, Sean, Jay and some others).
One can be a professional, carpenter, cop or whatever and still bodybuild.
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most of them are thousandaires, CJ.
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hahaha 150k/ he made more than that from the O alone
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most of them are thousandaires, CJ.
Still man it must suck. I bet most of them look back and think "Man, I shouldn't have taken this course!" Even guys like DA probably feel ashamed once in a while.
Bodybuilding is something I enjoy and love but I'd never be competitive. First, it's pointless. Second, the money in return for so much work is minimal.
I used to look at the mags in the news stands and think of bbing as some sort of fantasy sport. Browsing Getbig has exposed the truth to me and it's pretty sad.
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People can have careers and still compete in the NPC. I don't question the fact that some NPC guys are dumb and delusional, but many also are well-rounded and have a successful like outside bbing.
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hahaha 150k/ he made more than that from the O alone
Couple that with supplement contracts and it must be a very good sum. But these bbers probably live in the now. They spend thousands on drugs and food, and on trying to portray some sort of fantasy lifestyle.
Not everyone is like Ronnie or Jay. Tamali probably struggles and borrows money from mom and pop.
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I would say that Mark Dugdale is currently the most successful bodybuilder. His current house is far more impressive than any other bodybuilders. Not to mention he runs a very successful food distribution business.
I think most bodybuilders are lazy. They eat, sleep, and train.
Others take the easy way out and mooch off their father-in-law....
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What about the NPC guys? What's the point taking massive amounts of drugs and living a shitty life when you struggle to break even?
That is the million dollar question.... :-X
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When Ronnie was on the radio in Australia, he said that he was making about 1million US a year.
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you call it a shitty life but i would think that it isn't shitty to them
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If top tier bodybuilders like Ronnie, Jay and a few others are making around 150 k a year. What do 2nd and 3rd tiers make?
What about the NPC guys? What's the point taking massive amounts of drugs and living a shitty life when you struggle to break even?
Wouldn't they be better off spending their drug money on an education? And if they're not the academic type, then why couldn't they just have picked a trade like plumbing or carpentry?
Something tells me competitive bodybuilders aren't really all that smart. :-\
As long as they have 'guys' like you who are happy to pay for 'G4P', they should be OK ;)
So tell us CJ, how much does flipping burgers pay?
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you call it a shitty life but i would think that it isn't shitty to them
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for once i agree with you, doing what you love to do on a daily basis is heaven no matter what type of money you make.
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As long as they have 'guys' like you who are happy to pay for 'G4P', they should be OK ;)
So tell us CJ, how much does flipping burgers pay?
I dunno, mate. I'd ask you, but you seem too busy making up elaborate stories about fake websites that rake in 200 k in revenues and imaginary friends who are bigger than Jay Cutler.
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I dunno, mate. I'd ask you but you seem too busy making up elaborate stories about fake websites that rake in 200 k in revenues and imaginary friends who are bigger than Jay Cutler.
So you know what's happening with my life even though you are a Camel Jockey and live in the opposite side of the world?
I'll tell you this much - there is such a thing as doing what you love and when you do, you don't give 2 shits about how much you make.
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When Ronnie was on the radio in Australia, he said that he was making about 1million US a year.
And he also says he's natural too. ::)
Your point?
Maybe altogether, with endorsements and whatever he may be doing on the side, he's making a million, but I find that hard to believe either way.
I'd say closer to 5-600k.
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So you know what's happening with my life even though you are a Camel Jockey and live in the opposite side of the world?
I'll tell you this much - there is such a thing as doing what you love and when you do, you don't give 2 shits about how much you make.
Why did you shortern your post? ;)
And I reside in the United States.
I wouldn't be jumping to insults regarding ethnicity. Aren't you some mut hybrid of 5 different ethnic backgrounds?
It's not about how much money you make. It's about making intelligent decisions in life. These bodybuilders use massive amounts of drugs and lie about fantasy lifestyles.
My point is that the avaerage joe shouldn't buy into any of this garbage. The reality of the competitive scene is something that's kept under wraps because they don't want people to find out how full of shit they really are.
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Camel Jockey, do tell! What is it that you know, that the rest of us don't?
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problem with pro bb'ing is that it's such a fuccking expensive "sport" or "business" whatever you want to call it, the top 5 Olympia guys have to spend tens of thousands of dollars on drugs, food, supplements, tanning, etc. so the return on that investment isn't much even if you do with the 110,000 bucks for either of the top 2 shows.
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Camel Jockey, do tell! What is it that you know, that the rest of us don't?
We getbiggers know more than the average fool on bodybuilding.com or the average gym rat that purchases Flex.
Those people buy into the lies put forth by competitive bodybuilders. You know, the fabulous lifestyles.. I need only point to Kamali to as an example.
If they're so set in their ways in a career they love, then why can't they just be open about their drug use and stop the phony nonsense?
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I am sure a few at least wouldn't mind being more open about their drug use, if it were legal and wouldn't get them in trouble to admit it on an internet forum.
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I am sure a few at least wouldn't mind being more open about their drug use, if it were legal and wouldn't get them in trouble to admit it on an internet forum.
Lee Preist is honest and I like and respect him for it.
People like Kamali make me sick. He tries to come off as some rich athlete, when in reality he's mediocre to the last degree.
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Why did you shortern your post? ;)
And I reside in the United States.
I wouldn't be jumping to insults regarding ethnicity. Aren't you some mut hybrid of 5 different ethnic backgrounds?
It's not about how much money you make. It's about making intelligent decisions in life. These bodybuilders use massive amounts of drugs and lie about fantasy lifestyles.
My point is that the avaerage joe shouldn't buy into any of this garbage. The reality of the competitive scene is something that's kept under wraps because they don't want people to find out how full of shit they really are.
Don't you get it? You're talking sense in a board that worships this type of behaviour. I've tried, and got flamed for speaking the truth. These people live for today, and for being "jacked". ::) They have no regard for their health, the law, their families, etc.
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People like Kamali make me sick. He tries to come off as some rich athlete, when in reality he's mediocre to the last degree.
Well, that goes for a lot of these guys. Off the top my head- Dexter, Darrem, Flex....
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If top tier bodybuilders like Ronnie, Jay and a few others are making around 150 k a year. What do 2nd and 3rd tiers make?
What about the NPC guys? What's the point taking massive amounts of drugs and living a shitty life when you struggle to break even?
Wouldn't they be better off spending their drug money on an education? And if they're not the academic type, then why couldn't they just have picked a trade like plumbing or carpentry?
Something tells me competitive bodybuilders aren't really all that smart. :-\
150K a year???
Ronnie and Jay both make upwards of 1M/ year...not sure where you're getting your info from...but you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off...
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Jay's cars cost more than 150K. He also owns some nice real estate. Of course Jay and Ronnie are the exceptions.
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150K a year???
Ronnie and Jay both make upwards of 1M/ year...not sure where you're getting your info from...but you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off...
Too bad they'll be dead before 60.
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150K a year???
Ronnie and Jay both make upwards of 1M/ year...not sure where you're getting your info from...but you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off...
Really, how do you figure that amount Robert Michael?
Can you give us a hypothetical spreadsheet here of where those funds would be coming from?
You say upwards of 1 million per year, give us a breakdown, please...
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Really, how do you figure that amount Robert Michael?
Can you give us a hypothetical spreadsheet here of where those funds would be coming from?
You say upwards of 1 million per year, give us a breakdown, please...
No one is going to do an audit of Ronnie or Jay.
But it's painfully obvious that BBing is a joke. I mean pro wrestling isn't respected much, but their stars make millions.
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No one is going to do an audit of Ronnie or Jay.
But it's painfully obvious that BBing is a joke. I mean pro wrestling isn't respected much, but their stars make millions.
Again, ridiculous.. You are comparing apples and oranges when looking at wrestling compared to bodybuilding. The WWE is a revenue monster compared to PRO bodybuilding.
Unless someone can give a hypothetical breakdown of some numbers, I call bullshit.
I love Robert Michael, he is like a brother to me and all, but even Robert Michael can sometimes embellish things a little..
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Ronnie, Jay, and Gunter all make around $500,000-1M per year. I'm not sure about Gunter this year, but between 2002-2006 that was accurate. The other guys don't make much.
In 2004, Chick said on musclemayhem that his contract with BB.com was 4.3 million but I think that was a joke to try to outdo Paul Dillett's alleged 4.2 million dollar contract. When someone on mayhem questioned Bob, he didn't answer. ;D But I think he was joking but have no idea. I'm not sure how many years he signed on with BB.com for.
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Ronnie, Jay, and Gunter all make around $500,000-1M per year. I'm not sure about Gunter this year, but between 2002-2006 that was accurate. The other guys don't make much.
In 2004, Chick said on musclemayhem that his contract with BB.com was 4.3 million but I think that was a joke to try to outdo Paul Dillett's alleged 4.2 million dollar contract. When someone on mayhem questioned Bob, he didn't answer. ;D But I think he was joking but have no idea. I'm not sure how many years he signed on with BB.com for.
Again, where are you guys getting your figures from? Matt, I worry, that just to follow suit, you might be talking out of your ass again..
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Again, where are you guys getting your figures from? Matt, I worry, that just to follow suit, you might be talking out of your ass again..
Ronnie's BSN contract was for a million dollars over 2-3 years I believe. The Olympia paid him $150,000 and he scores around $3,000 per guest pose. Jay has a similar contract with MuscleTech and similar prize money. Jay also guest poses once every other week and that works out to $78,000 per year. Between 2004-2006 both were making a bare minimum of $10,000 per year on DVDs and if I were to guess I would say a lot more than that (10K was something the average pro could pull from DVD sales when the market was strong). Both Ronnie and Jay were sweeping up those grand prix shows for 10K a pop. Add things up and you definitely have 500K or more. Of course that is before tax.
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Really, how do you figure that amount Robert Michael?
Can you give us a hypothetical spreadsheet here of where those funds would be coming from?
You say upwards of 1 million per year, give us a breakdown, please...
Sure...heres a hypo of a top IFBB superstar:
Contract(s): $600K
Prize money: $150K+
Guest posings: 15 @ 5K ea.: $75K
DVD/ Merch sales: $50K
Other endorsements: $50K
Total: $925K
Not including any other business ventures, investments etc.....
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Ronnie's BSN contract was for a million dollars over 2-3 years I believe. The Olympia paid him $150,000 and he scores around $3,000 per guest pose. Jay has a similar contract with MuscleTech and similar prize money. Jay also guest poses once every other week and that works out to $78,000 per year. Between 2004-2006 both were making a bare minimum of $10,000 per year on DVDs and if I were to guess I would say a lot more than that (10K was something the average pro could pull from DVD sales when the market was strong). Both Ronnie and Jay were sweeping up those grand prix shows for 10K a pop. Add things up and you definitely have 500K or more. Of course that is before tax.
The DVD amount is very off, for as most people burn those things off the internet or just burn a copy off their friends and pass it along at the gym...
With your numbers and logic, both guys AT MOST would be making $500K a year. After taxes, forget it, they would be lucky if able to pull in a clean $400,000/year.
So these claims about them making 1M/year are completely bogus. They both make more like $300,000 - $450,000/year (Before Taxes), which is still good money, but not a damn million..
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Most guys are not Coleman or Cutler..
What does Tamali make, and PLEASE make sure to exclude the daily allowance his parents give him!
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Sure...heres a hypo of a top IFBB superstar:
Contract(s): $600K
Prize money: $150K+
Guest posings: 15 @ 5K ea.: $75K
DVD/ Merch sales: $50K
Other endorsements: $50K
Total: $925K
Not including any other business ventures, investments etc.....
"Sure...heres a hypo of a top IFBB superstar" - You mean Ronnie or Jay. Numbers 3 - 10 don't see that much and they can vouch for that as well...
Contracts per year are not that high Robert Michael and you know that. Prize money is only that high for the Olympia winner, not the runner up. Guest posings for 5K? I've heard more like 3K and a tub of doggcrap's protein. DVD's do not rack in that much, that's absolutely insane.
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The DVD amount is very off, for as most people burn those things off the internet or just burn a copy off their friends and pass it along at the gym...
With your numbers and logic, both guys AT MOST would be making $500K a year. After taxes, forget it, they would be lucky if able to pull in a clean $400,000/year.
So these claims about them making 1M/year are completely bogus. They both make more like $300,000 - $450,000/year (Before Taxes), which is still good money, but not a damn million..
I can guarantee you that between 2004-2006 the top pros were making 10K per year or more on average from their DVD sales. My website was the most targeted market on planet earth for selling bodybuilding DVDs during that time, and based on the stats I can guarantee that the top pros were making a minimum of 10K per year. Now my sales have dropped a whopping 80% so my guess is the DVDs will simply stop being produced very soon. :-\
I think each pro gets 100 copies of the BFTO to sell if they compete in the Olympia so that = 4K in extra revenue which they make during appearances. You are also underestimating the contracts of Ronnie and Jay! They probably get close to 500K just in contract funds annually.
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Most guys are not Coleman or Cutler..
What does Tamali make, and PLEASE make sure to exclude the daily allowance his parents give him!
u bad :D
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You wanted one of the top guys contracts...I gave it to you.
Some contracts include a bonus % of prize winnings.....DVDS make BIG money, not just here but Europe as well.
BTW...I know of one top pro who made just under $30K at FIBO alone..!
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I can guarantee you that between 2004-2006 the top pros were 10K per year or more on average from their DVD sales. My website was the most targeted market on planet earth for selling bodybuilding DVDs during that time, and based on the stats I can guarantee that the top pros were making a minimum of 10K per year. Now my sales have dropped a whopping 80% so my guess is the DVDs will simply stop being produced very soon. :-\
I think each pro gets 100 copies of the BFTO to sell if they compete in the Olympia so that = 4K in extra revenue which they make during appearances. You are also underestimating the contracts of Ronnie and Jay! They probably get close to 500K just in contract funds.
Besides BSN (Which pays Ronnie roughly $333,333/year for 3 years) and Muscletech, what other companies offer these two guys big money?
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You wanted one of the top guys contracts...I gave it to you.
Some contracts include a bonus % of prize winnings.....DVDS make BIG money, not just here but Europe as well.
Kinda crazy, but good old Robert Michael makes way more than both Ronnie and Jay. Part of that Rochester business mentality..
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for once i agree with you, doing what you love to do on a daily basis is heaven no matter what type of money you make.
WORD !
a big house and an expensive car will never make me happy.
I just need enough money to have a comfortable life, that's it
oh and a hot wife who doesn't cheat on me too ;D
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If top tier bodybuilders like Ronnie, Jay and a few others are making around 150 k a year. What do 2nd and 3rd tiers make?
2nd and 3rd tiers made around 20k per year by becoming their gardener or butler
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Besides BSN (Which pays Ronnie roughly $333,333/year for 3 years) and Muscletech, what other companies offer these two guys big money?
When the post said "top tier guys", I was talking about the top three. :-\ Outside of the top three, I doubt most of the guys see anywhere close to that...but I could see the top three earners in the IFBB making 500K-1M per year before taxes.
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When the post said "top tier guys", I was talking about the top three. :-\ Outside of the top three, I doubt most of the guys see anywhere close to that...but I could see the top three earners in the IFBB making 500K-1M per year before taxes.
most guys make good money dealing steroids ( hell even local bber, as long as your in shape and "big" people will ask you for some)
not that I think there is anything wrong with that
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most guys make good money dealing steroids ( hell even local bber, as long as your in shape and "big" people will ask you for some)
not that I think there is anything wrong with that
Yep! Another good point. Keep in mind a lot of smart competitive bodybuilders wouldn't even need to pay for their own gear because they have enough connections and would probably be able to sell some too.
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Drug dealers make a lot, that I know..
I know some guys and the money the pull is amazing. Of course they are dealing coke and dope and not hormones.
Hormones would be safer, as the people needing the shit would not rat as much.
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Too bad they'll be dead before 60.
alot of people that aren't bodybuilders will be dead before 50
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Drug dealers make a lot, that I know..
I know some guys and the money the pull is amazing. Of course they are dealing coke and dope and not hormones.
Hormones would be safer, as the people needing the shit would not rat as much.
Same here. I know multiple guys who snort all there profits - in the hundreds a day. PATHETIC.
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Why did you shortern your post? ;)
And I reside in the United States.
I wouldn't be jumping to insults regarding ethnicity. Aren't you some mut hybrid of 5 different ethnic backgrounds?
It's not about how much money you make. It's about making intelligent decisions in life. These bodybuilders use massive amounts of drugs and lie about fantasy lifestyles.
My point is that the avaerage joe shouldn't buy into any of this garbage. The reality of the competitive scene is something that's kept under wraps because they don't want people to find out how full of shit they really are.
Actually, I'm a mix of all races which means more than 5 ethnic backgrounds ;)
As to your other opinion, let me tell you a little story. A few years ago, in the Olympics there was this journalist who went and asked about 80 or so different athletes from different sports the following question - "If I showed you a technique that would vault you to the top of your sport, but would kill you within a year from now, would you take it?"
Over 80% of them said Yes!
That's why others look up to them - cause they do what they have to do to get to where they want to be. They have a dream / passion and they have the balls to chase it. I'm not saying all bodybuilders are great - far from it ;D, although in general I've observed that bodybuilders are very intelligent people in one way 8)
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The DVD amount is very off, for as most people burn those things off the internet or just burn a copy off their friends and pass it along at the gym...
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You guys are forgetting DA, who makes over 150,000 and owns homes in New York and Florida...
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That's why others look up to them - cause they do what they have to do to get to where they want to be. They have a dream / passion and they have the balls to chase it. I'm not saying all bodybuilders are great - far from it ;D, although in general I've observed that bodybuilders are very intelligent people in one way 8)
Fair enough.
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If top tier bodybuilders like Ronnie, Jay and a few others are making around 150 k a year. What do 2nd and 3rd tiers make?
What about the NPC guys? What's the point taking massive amounts of drugs and living a shitty life when you struggle to break even?
Wouldn't they be better off spending their drug money on an education? And if they're not the academic type, then why couldn't they just have picked a trade like plumbing or carpentry?
Something tells me competitive bodybuilders aren't really all that smart. :-\
What an idiotic statement.....150K...hah ahaha! Ronnie and Jay are pulling more like 1-2M a year! The 2nd-3rd probably make 100k-300K.
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150K a year???
Ronnie and Jay both make upwards of 1M/ year...not sure where you're getting your info from...but you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off...
I think you're both off. For $1M to be true, the supplement and magazine contracts would have to be $300-$400k each. That's not realistic at all. At MOST I could see the weider and Muscletech contracts being $150-$200k each. Add in $150k prize money and $100k misc (guest posings, merchandise, mnor contracts, etc) and you're around $500k, maybe $600k. (For the few years they hold the Mr. O title... then $0)
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Sure...heres a hypo of a top IFBB superstar:
Contract(s): $600K
Prize money: $150K+
Guest posings: 15 @ 5K ea.: $75K
DVD/ Merch sales: $50K
Other endorsements: $50K
Total: $925K
Not including any other business ventures, investments etc.....
So how much is gear, Gh, & Slin setting them back?
Also.....
I don't see G4P on that list of income?
How about internet membership sales to the "members only section"?
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If top tier bodybuilders like Ronnie, Jay and a few others are making around 150 k a year. What do 2nd and 3rd tiers make?
What about the NPC guys? What's the point taking massive amounts of drugs and living a shitty life when you struggle to break even?
Wouldn't they be better off spending their drug money on an education? And if they're not the academic type, then why couldn't they just have picked a trade like plumbing or carpentry?
Something tells me competitive bodybuilders aren't really all that smart. :-\
Thats what you think. Jay Cutler alone makes 300,000 per year with muscletech alone. Not to mention other sponsers, clothing, guest posing, plus the contest cash, etc.
PB
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I think you're both off. For $1M to be true, the supplement and magazine contracts would have to be $300-$400k each. That's not realistic at all. At MOST I could see the weider and Muscletech contracts being $150-$200k each. Add in $150k prize money and $100k misc (guest posings, merchandise, mnor contracts, etc) and you're around $500k, maybe $600k. (For the few years they hold the Mr. O title... then $0)
You can think whatever you want...I know for FACT what these contracts are worth. My numbers are solid.
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You can think whatever you want...I know for FACT what these contracts are worth. My numbers are solid.
Where do some of these folks think that all thse millions come from??? Now if pro BB had a TV contract like baseball the NBA or NFL , it might be possible. I know that top , marketable guys like Jay seem to do pretty well, but I know more than a couple pros still working as personal trainers. Makes me sad.
Hey Bob, any works or word or anything about any cable network picking up any BB show?
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My Expertise tells me that the following figures are good estimates for BODYBUILDING-DERIVED INCOME (excluding personal training)
Elite Echelon Guys = Big Contest + Supp Contract + Mag Contract + DVDs + Appearances = 500K+
Ronnie
Jay
Gunter (has a substantial Weider contract)
Top Tier Brand Names = Medium Contest + Supp contract + Mag contract + DVDs + appearances = 150-300K
Dexter
Branch
Martinez
Lee
Cormier
Heath
Second Tier Risers/Fallers Small contest + small magazine + small supplement + small DVD + few appearances = 50-150K
Samuel
Wolf
Freeman
Ruhl
Rockel
Kamali
Charles
Third Tier Strugglers Zero contest + no magazine + small supplement + no DVD + no appearances = 10-50K
Farah
Harris
Haley
Fourth Tier Gov'ment Cheese 0-10K Zero Contest + no magazine + no supplement + no DVD + no appearances
Wood
Amsterdam
English
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Everyone else who's never placed in the money, been on a supp label or a magazine cover.
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Bodybuilding is something I enjoy and love but I'd never be competitive. First, it's pointless. Second, the money in return for so much work is minimal.
Well said CJ. :D
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My Expertise tells me that the following figures are good estimates for BODYBUILDING-DERIVED INCOME (excluding personal training)
Elite Echelon Guys = Big Contest + Supp Contract + Mag Contract + DVDs + Appearances = 500K+
Ronnie
Jay
Gunter (has a substantial Weider contract)
Top Tier Brand Names = Medium Contest + Supp contract + Mag contract + DVDs + appearances = 150-300K
Dexter
Branch
Martinez
Lee
Cormier
Heath
Second Tier Risers/Fallers Small contest + small magazine + small supplement + small DVD + few appearances = 50-150K
Samuel
Wolf
Freeman
Ruhl
Rockel
Kamali
Charles
Third Tier Strugglers Zero contest + no magazine + small supplement + no DVD + no appearances = 10-50K
Farah
Harris
Haley
Fourth Tier Gov'ment Cheese 0-10K Zero Contest + no magazine + no supplement + no DVD + no appearances
Wood
Amsterdam
English
and
Everyone else who's never placed in the money, been on a supp label or a magazine cover.
Where would you put Chick on that list?
Seriously...I like Bob...but he's a third tier bodybuilder by competition & probably 2 tier by reputation & the $$$ he makes.
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the guys probably make more money from MuscleTech than from a Weider contract...don't forget MD also kicks in money for "writers"
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Sure...heres a hypo of a top IFBB superstar:
Contract(s): $600K
Prize money: $150K+
Guest posings: 15 @ 5K ea.: $75K
DVD/ Merch sales: $50K
Other endorsements: $50K
Total: $925K
Not including any other business ventures, investments etc.....
I bet Coleman would be the only one and very lucky if he made that in DVD sales. Now I see it includes merchindise so maybe. Unless he produced and paid out of his own pocket the DVD production he is barely making a $1 a DVD if that. But, I would say that is a good number for Jay & Ronnie. Anyyone else is at least $200,000 below that and 99% of the pro is $925,000 below that
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I bet Coleman would be the only one and very lucky if he made that in DVD sales. Now I see it includes merchindise so maybe. Unless he produced and paid out of his own pocket the DVD production he is barely making a $1 a DVD if that. But, I would say that is a good number for Jay & Ronnie. Anyyone else is at least $200,000 below that and 99% of the pro is $925,000 below that
I would bet Ruhl makes that much in DVD sales.
I don't know who would know this information....but I bet he's one of the top grossing in sales.
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I think you're both off. For $1M to be true, the supplement and magazine contracts would have to be $300-$400k each. That's not realistic at all. At MOST I could see the weider and Muscletech contracts being $150-$200k each. Add in $150k prize money and $100k misc (guest posings, merchandise, mnor contracts, etc) and you're around $500k, maybe $600k. (For the few years they hold the Mr. O title... then $0)
then they lease a bentley and buy over priced home furnishings.