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Title: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: littleguns on July 01, 2007, 12:03:52 PM
Sad as he once had a body and a life some of us wanted

slams and pile drivers. "You start with a painkiller for bumps and bruises. And then you need more. It's never enough."

Those on the circuit were a family, "a dysfunctional family" he said. Everyone wants a piece of a superstar. "There's a lot of leeches, losers, cruisers and abusers."

"I found no matter how hard you chase it, it's never quite enough," he said. "Money makes you more comfortable being miserable."

Luger's fall was hard and quick. He got divorced and in 2003 he made an early morning call to Cobb County 911 saying his girlfriend, Elizabeth Hulette, known on the wrestling circuit as Miss Elizabeth, had passed out.

She was taken to Kennestone Hospital, where she died. The autopsy showed a mix of alcohol, painkillers and tranquilizers in her system.

He was arrested for possessing three kinds of steroids found in the home. Later, he got a DUI. "My life had fallen apart and I still didn't get it," he said.

A judge sentenced him to probation and revoked it in late 2005 when he went to Canada for a work appearance without court approval. An arrest and two strip searches later, the former Total Package was back in Cobb County Jail.

Luger credits Steve Baskin, the pastor of Western Hills Baptist, with pulling him from a terminal tailspin. The jail chaplain met Luger in early 2006 and sensed the former wrestler was spiritually wounded.

"Here's a guy who would have died or gone to prison," said Baskin. "He didn't have the skills to negotiate through his probation." Baskin said Luger had never learned to think for himself well enough to handle "regular" life experiences.

After Luger was freed, Baskin's friends — Doc Frady, pastor of Clarkdale First Baptist, and his wife, Jan — invited Luger to their home for a birthday party.

Luger learned the couple had been married 54 years and had lived in the same house for much of that time.

"It brought tears to my eyes," Luger recalls. "I didn't even know people like that existed anymore."

Luger lives in a spare bedroom in Baskin's apartment and is trying to figure out a path in life.


He'd like to help counsel those in trouble. Or maybe be a fitness coach. He even said he'd take clients out to the supermarket and show them what to buy. He's eager. He's uncertain. To him, regular life is a new business.

Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: AVBG on July 01, 2007, 12:08:31 PM
I am truly happy for Lex.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Bluto on July 01, 2007, 12:08:46 PM
doesnt look that much smaller. still carry some size there
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: D_1000 on July 01, 2007, 12:09:57 PM
Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: BayGBM on July 01, 2007, 12:13:34 PM
The pix are a nice contrast, but he never had a life I wanted.

He was a wrestler and a piece of meat.  Like many before him, he was used that way and, for a while, got what he wanted out of it.  Apprently, he didn't save for a rainy day.  It's the old story of the Ant and the Grasshopper.  :'( Chris Benoit appeared to have a nice home and provisions for himself and his family.  Why didn't Luger?  When will these guys learn... it's a short ride.

Counsel those in trouble?  I don't know if he's qualified for that.

A fitness coach?  Certainly.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: natural al on July 01, 2007, 12:14:45 PM
Lex burned a major bridge when he left wwe for wcw...once you cross vince you're pretty much done.  I heard he bulked up to about 300lbs right before elizibeth died in an attempt to get back into the wwe cause vince is always looking for "freaks".

he had a good build, I remember when he was supposed to do the wbf show....
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: tommywishbone on July 01, 2007, 12:55:47 PM
WTF, did dude spend his million$'$ on? ???
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: The Squadfather on July 01, 2007, 12:57:28 PM
brutal 16 inch arms in the first pic and epic 14 inch arms in the second pic.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: BartBelgium on July 01, 2007, 12:59:50 PM
Luger does G4P now.
He takes it up the ass from pastor Baskin.
In return he gets food and shelter.

Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Andre Nickatina on July 01, 2007, 01:11:05 PM
Don't fuck up while on probation. Its not good. Some people just arent smart.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Disgusted on July 01, 2007, 01:44:40 PM
He looks pretty good in both pics.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on July 01, 2007, 02:38:52 PM
Lex is currently in talks with Carmine Appice and Bogert in an attempt to be tambourine player for the reformed Cactus
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: YoungBlood on July 01, 2007, 02:42:52 PM
stfu 69 boy, aka 619Rules

Why don't you stfu Picture Faking Boy!!!
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: BayGBM on July 01, 2007, 03:46:25 PM
There is no reason in the world, this man should not be sitting on a beach somewhere eating bon bons with money in the bank.  :'(
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: The Squadfather on July 01, 2007, 04:14:02 PM
epic receding hairline, black man's nose and empty psychotic stare.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Andre Nickatina on July 01, 2007, 04:18:14 PM
Dude was hella on top of the world when i was about 9. Crazy how shit changes eh. Time is a real asshole when you dont use it right.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: The Squadfather on July 01, 2007, 04:21:40 PM
Dude was hella on top of the world when i was about 9. Crazy how shit changes eh. Time is a real asshole when you dont use it right.
looks like a skinny nutcase crackhead now, looks as if a stiff wind would blow him over.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: SteelePegasus on July 01, 2007, 05:15:32 PM
I hope that he finds peace in his life
best of luck to him..


this is why you need to invest your money...as someone said there is no reason why he shouldn't be enjoying the fruits of his labor.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: bmacsys on July 01, 2007, 05:22:03 PM
not one of the good guys on the circuit imo.


nonetheless, i wish him well.

He was a legit nut. He tried to kill Arn Anderson with a pair of scissors.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: bmacsys on July 01, 2007, 05:22:42 PM
athletes tend to mismanage $$$.



They think the gravy train will last forever.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: bmacsys on July 01, 2007, 05:23:31 PM
doesnt look that much smaller. still carry some size there

He looks pretty good.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: bmacsys on July 01, 2007, 05:25:36 PM
Lex is currently in talks with Carmine Appice and Bogert in an attempt to be tambourine player for the reformed Cactus

Ain't that Vanilla Fudge they are reforming?
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Triple-H_2005 on July 01, 2007, 05:28:00 PM
He was a legit nut. He tried to kill Arn Anderson with a pair of scissors.
No, he didn't.
Sid Vicious tried to stab Arn with scissors.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Vince B on July 01, 2007, 05:30:06 PM
Lex has been saved and is a virtual preacher now. Religion seems to help some people but I think this is an illusion. It all seems like a rationalization. He talks like he is a sensible guy now.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: CARTEL on July 01, 2007, 05:38:33 PM
Lex has been saved and is a virtual preacher now. Religion seems to help some people but I think this is an illusion. It all seems like a rationalization. He talks like he is a sensible guy now.

Agreed.

People always grab on to religion when they hit rock-bottom ::). Let's see if he stays with it.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: njflex on July 01, 2007, 06:59:35 PM
bbing and wrestling have the same addictions and problem's.wrestler's have bigger venues and more money at stake.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on July 01, 2007, 07:50:33 PM
Ain't that Vanilla Fudge they are reforming?

Bogert and Appice were the rhythm section for Vanilla Fudge and formed Cactus which was supposed to include Jeff Beck before he got into his car accident and Rod Stewart. They used two other good bros 
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Big Lee on July 01, 2007, 08:13:47 PM
Jesus, what happened to him?
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: chaos on July 01, 2007, 08:16:08 PM
No, he didn't.
Sid Vicious tried to stab Arn with scissors.
I think Sid DID stb Arn with scissors, in a hotel bar.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 01, 2007, 08:55:23 PM
There is no reason in the world, this man should not be sitting on a beach somewhere eating bon bons with money in the bank.  :'(

Big time legal bills plus no income for a few years burned up his bank account.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Earl1972 on July 01, 2007, 09:22:35 PM
the only man to bodyslam 500 lb yokozuna 8)

he always claimed 4% bodyfat too :)

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Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: M75 on July 01, 2007, 09:24:23 PM
Good to see that he is getting his life in order.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: BayGBM on July 01, 2007, 10:34:04 PM
Good to see that he is getting his life in order.

He's 49 now.  Game over.  :(
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: phyxsius on July 01, 2007, 11:46:47 PM
I hope his basement is better than Tamali or DA's
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: SDMF on July 02, 2007, 06:39:27 AM
ICOPRO--"You gotta want it!!"
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: nycbull on July 02, 2007, 06:43:45 AM

Those on the circuit were a family, "a dysfunctional family" he said. Everyone wants a piece of a superstar. "There's a lot of leeches, losers, cruisers and abusers."



Can this be true for bodybuilding too?
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: WhiteCastle on July 02, 2007, 07:21:16 AM
Agreed.

People always grab on to religion when they hit rock-bottom ::). Let's see if he stays with it.

It seems like every former wrestler out there becomes a born-again Christian.  Look at this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Davidcannon/List_of_born-again_Christian_laypeople

Half the people in the sports section are former wrestlers.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: gatrainer on July 02, 2007, 07:26:42 AM
Agreed.

People always grab on to religion when they hit rock-bottom ::). Let's see if he stays with it.
Thats because sometimes it takes you to hit rock bottom before you find it.  One usually gets all f*cked up because of their total selfishness.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: The Squadfather on July 02, 2007, 07:26:54 AM
brutal 15 inch arms.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Kwon on July 02, 2007, 07:27:55 AM

trust me, lex was the most dysfuctional of all the family members.



Do explain, do you know the man in person?
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: SS on July 02, 2007, 07:52:54 AM
He was a legit nut. He tried to kill Arn Anderson with a pair of scissors.
see now that's hot!
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 02, 2007, 08:06:18 AM
Lex burned a major bridge when he left wwe for wcw...once you cross vince you're pretty much done.  I heard he bulked up to about 300lbs right before elizibeth died in an attempt to get back into the wwe cause vince is always looking for "freaks".

he had a good build, I remember when he was supposed to do the wbf show....

The Ultimate Warrior "crossed" Vince McMahon on multiple occasions, yet McMahon gave him opportunities to redeem himself.

the only man to bodyslam 500 lb yokozuna 8)

he always claimed 4% bodyfat too :)

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Actually, Ahmed Johnson slammed (a much heavier) Yokozuna in 1996.

Lex has been saved and is a virtual preacher now. Religion seems to help some people but I think this is an illusion. It all seems like a rationalization. He talks like he is a sensible guy now.

Agreed.

People always grab on to religion when they hit rock-bottom ::). Let's see if he stays with it.

I hope he does. Like many other people, Luger thought that worldly things would make him complete or fill a certain void in his life. But, as he put it, wealth and fame can give you more ways to be miserable. From the looks of things, Luger's possessions owned him, rather than the other way around. You can easily "hit rock-bottom" without losing your wealth. Look at his relationships with his now ex-wife (and his kids), and with Miss Elizabeth.

If Luger is legitimately seeking a relationship with the Lord, he'll be fine. If he thinks that being saved is a "quick fix", he won't.

Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: The Squadfather on July 02, 2007, 09:00:45 AM
yes, for the most part, lex was a pumped up primadonna with no personality and void of real wrestling skills. from what i observed, few in the business respected him as a wrestler or a person. he burned one too many bridges.

notice how no one in the business has tried to assist him.

that speaks volumes.
bullshit.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on July 02, 2007, 09:05:03 AM
bullshit.
dude, when your finsher is a running elbow i think that says something. ever tried to take out a 260lb man with a running elbow? !?!?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Rearden Metal on July 02, 2007, 09:06:44 AM
dude, when your finsher is a running elbow i think that says something. ever tried to take out a 260lb man with a running elbow? !?!?!?!?!?!?

LOL that does sound retarded. What if you hit your funny bone!
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: BigSexy50 on July 02, 2007, 09:48:26 AM
dude, when your finsher is a running elbow i think that says something. ever tried to take out a 260lb man with a running elbow? !?!?!?!?!?!?

His finisher was the "Torture Rack".

Does he get any disability form the NFL?  He used to play for the Rams.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Deadpool on July 02, 2007, 09:54:11 AM

no.

619?  same avatar
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: crownshep on July 02, 2007, 09:57:33 AM
Two months away from winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, after a show in Blackburn, Lancashire during a tour in the United Kingdom, Eudy was involved in a hotel bar scuffle with Arn Anderson. Sid attacked Anderson outside of his hotel room. Eudy stabbed Anderson over 20 times with a pair of safety scissors. Both were rushed to the hospital and survived the incident, Anderson suffered stab wounds to the face, chest, arms, stomach, and back.

Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: bmacsys on July 02, 2007, 10:00:00 AM
No, he didn't.
Sid Vicious tried to stab Arn with scissors.

Yup, brainlock on my part. It was Psycho Sid. Ever see the video where his leg snaps in half under the full force of his weight from the top mrope?
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: natural al on July 02, 2007, 10:02:17 AM
The Ultimate Warrior "crossed" Vince McMahon on multiple occasions, yet McMahon gave him opportunities to redeem himself.



once he came back to the wwe, then he wrastled in wcw and since vince bought them he hasn't stepped foot in a ring.  there is even a vid out there about how bad the warrior has screwed up his own career cause he's a nutcase.  if vince did give him another chance iit's cause he could make $$$ off of him.  that's the only reason
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: bmacsys on July 02, 2007, 10:04:05 AM
His finisher was the "Torture Rack".

Does he get any disability form the NFL?  He used to play for the Rams.

Guys that had real NFL careers don't even get disability. Thats Why Butkus and Ditka are trying to raise public awareness about the old time NFL players.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 02, 2007, 10:21:59 AM
His finisher was the "Torture Rack".

Does he get any disability form the NFL?  He used to play for the Rams.

You're both right about the finishing hold.

Luger was in a motorcycle accident a week before the 1992 WBF Championship, thus killing his guest-posing routine at that show. He ended up with an broken forearm that had to be surgically repaired with plates and screws, by the same guy who fixed (fixes) Triple H's knees.

When Luger debuted in the then-WWF (as the Narcissist) in 1993, that running elbow was his finishing move, with the angle that the plates in his right forearm ("unknown" for the first few months, until he knocked out Bret Hart, who later demanded that Luger's arm be investigated) allowed him to render his opponents unconscious.

Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 02, 2007, 10:38:36 AM

true, but jim (warrior) was a huge draw and college educated with other business options.



His business ventures (including his college speaking tours) are based primarily on the Ultimate Warrior character, which the WWE nurtured and polished.

According to WWE, he was fired three times. The first time, in 1991, was due to a last-minute thread not to perform at SummerSlam, unless he was paid in advance. The second time, in 1992, the offense that got him canned was a violation of then-WWF's drug policy; The third time, in 1996, Warrior did not show up at several live events. He later cited the death of his father as the reason for his non-appearances. McMahon claimed that Warrior gave no one any advance notice of what happened and cited that (as far as he knew) Warrior hadn't spoken with his father in a decade and could less about him. So, in the boss' mind, Warrior just skipped out of his obligations and, when called on it, used his father's death as an excuse.

The Ultimate Warrior was supposed to be part of a six-man tag-team main event at a pay-per-view in Canada (In Your House: International Incident). Ironically enough, when Warrior got his "indefinite suspension", the WWE replaced him with....Psycho Sid.

Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 02, 2007, 10:41:22 AM
once he came back to the wwe, then he wrastled in wcw and since vince bought them he hasn't stepped foot in a ring.  there is even a vid out there about how bad the warrior has screwed up his own career cause he's a nutcase.  if vince did give him another chance iit's cause he could make $$$ off of him.  that's the only reason

That DVD would be "The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior".
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: HUGEPECS on July 02, 2007, 10:56:48 AM
I hope Lex the best of luck. at least he's still alive unlike the so-many young wrestlers who bite the dust so early.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Sexual Mustard on July 02, 2007, 11:15:40 AM
A good friend of mine actually served Lex Luger tacos when he went into our local taco shop back when we were 14! this was in MN.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: bic_staedtler on July 02, 2007, 11:26:51 AM
....first watch this
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THEN watch this..if you can handle it (I couldn't)



THEN realize that life can kinda suck.  Get out of it what you can and try not to hurt anybody on the way out! ;D
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Option D on July 02, 2007, 12:12:39 PM
yes, for the most part, lex was a pumped up primadonna with no personality and void of real wrestling skills. from what i observed, few in the business respected him as a wrestler or a person. he burned one too many bridges.

notice how no one in the business has tried to assist him.

that speaks volumes.

Him and sting owned a gym in cobb county (north west of atlanta) called The Main Event. Goldberg worked there.... sold it in 04 i think//
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 02, 2007, 12:39:23 PM
no doubt jim had issue's, but so does everyone in that line of work.

vince's policy is: no one wrestler is bigger than the industry.

i remember when chyna demanded a raise to 800k........poof, she was gone, never to be seen again. vince always wins. 

McMahon states that, as a promoter, it is his responsibilty to present what he has advertised. So, if the marquee or the program has the Ultimate Warrior on it, then barring some unforseen emergency of which he (or some other WWE official) is notified in advance, McMahon expects the Ultimate Warrior to be there, face-painted, arms covered with tassels, running to the ring, shaking the ropes, and clotheslining his opponent silly.

Notwithstanding what happened in the much publicized tragedy last week, Chris Benoit told WWE officials that his wife and son were ill, before the Vengance pay-per-view. WWE let him go home and explained to the audience that Benoit would not be on the card due to his family being ill.

Had The Ultimate Warrior given somebody some notice, instead of simply no-showing, McMahon wouldn't have canned him in 1996, even if Warrior's relationship with his father was as bleak as McMahon claimed it was.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 02, 2007, 01:24:04 PM
can you not see that jim wanted out of the business?

he could have easily shifted to WCW.

he chose otherwise.

Did you not see that he went to WCW in 1998?

Eric Bischoff tried to renegotiate with Warrior, regarding his future in WCW, off the heels of what Bischoff deemed as one of the worst matches of all time, Warrior's rematch with Hulk Hogan at WCW's Halloween Havoc .(all hyped up by the one match that made the Ultimate Warrior's career: The battle with Hogan at Wrestlemaina VI, in which he defeat the Hulkster, fair and square, for the WWF Championship....while still holding the Intercontinental Championship).

Simply put, Warrior asked for too much money, when his in-ring performance didn't justify it: a two-year layoff, followed by an abysmal performance at Halloween Havoc. His track record with WWE certainly didn't help matters. When Warrior's contract expired, Bischoff didn't renew, despite his expressed desire to keep him long-term (which he emphasized, to refute the claim that Warrior was only brought to WCW for Hogan to avenge his loss at Wrestlemania VI).

You don't go back to a wrestling federation twice (and get fired twice), going to a rival federation two years later, if you want out of the business. Then, there's the little matter of WCW folding in 2001, for signing guys like Warrior, former WWE superstars who were paid big bucks (for their one-time stardom in WWE) but gave pitiful performances in the ring with WCW.

Once McMahon bought WCW, any chance for a 5th comeback for the Ultimate Warrior, pretty much went south.

Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 02, 2007, 01:58:07 PM
i thought we were talking about jim wanting out in 96, not 98.

nice spin.

Then all he had to do was resign, not fail to show up, when he was advertised at WWF events. That's unprofessional, no matter how much you slice it. And what could have possibly come up in the three or four months, in which he wrestled in 1996, that would make him want to leave?

"Wanting out of the business" means leaving professional wrestling ALTOGETHER, not getting fired from one company and joining another (much less his former employer's top rival) two years later.

Furthermore, Warrior couldn't initially use his now-legal name in WCW, which explains the lawsuit he filed shortly getting canned for the third time. And there's the aspect that, perhaps, WCW didn't have a need for Warrior......until mid/late '98, when WWE started beating WCW in the ratings again.

Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Kwon on July 02, 2007, 04:18:15 PM
Two months away from winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, after a show in Blackburn, Lancashire during a tour in the United Kingdom, Eudy was involved in a hotel bar scuffle with Arn Anderson. Sid attacked Anderson outside of his hotel room. Eudy stabbed Anderson over 20 times with a pair of safety scissors. Both were rushed to the hospital and survived the incident, Anderson suffered stab wounds to the face, chest, arms, stomach, and back.

Why use a scissor when you're that strong?
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 02, 2007, 08:06:41 PM
Then all he had to do was resign, not fail to show up, when he was advertised at WWF events. That's unprofessional, no matter how much you slice it. And what could have possibly come up in the three or four months, in which he wrestled in 1996, that would make him want to leave?

"Wanting out of the business" means leaving professional wrestling ALTOGETHER, not getting fired from one company and joining another (much less his former employer's top rival) two years later.

Furthermore, Warrior couldn't initially use his now-legal name in WCW, which explains the lawsuit he filed shortly getting canned for the third time. And there's the aspect that, perhaps, WCW didn't have a need for Warrior......until mid/late '98, when WWE started beating WCW in the ratings again.



And, it appears that Warrior hasn't lost his touch. He was supposed to appear on "Hannity and Colmes" tonight, joining a foresnic expert, another investigator, and Debra Marshall, former wife of "Stone Cold" Steve Austin. But, due to an "unforseen technical difficulty", he didn't appear on the show.

Imagine that: The Ultimate Warrior, not appearing where advertised. Now, H & C know how McMahon felt.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 02, 2007, 08:24:34 PM
Why use a scissor when you're that strong?

From reading your posts, my conclusion is that the Warrior wanted out of the business, but he didn't want out of the money that came as a result of being in the business.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Bossa on July 02, 2007, 09:28:51 PM
someone mentioned Lugers relationship w/ his family...I don;t know what that is but his son is 6'8" and plays NCAA basketball
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 03, 2007, 05:55:04 AM
From reading your posts, my conclusion is that the Warrior wanted out of the business, but he didn't want out of the money that came as a result of being in the business.

Steve "Brooklyn Brawler" Lombardi said something to that effect in The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior DVD:

"I don't think Warrior had the love for the wrestling industry. I think he had love for the fame; I think he had the love for the money; I think he had love for bodybuilding. But, I'm not quite sure if he had the love for the WWE"

As stated earlier, if he wanted out of the business, he could have simply resigned (and given some notice). The Ultimate Warrior got fired THREE times by WWE for holding the company up for money before SummerSlam, failing a drug test, and not appearing where he was advertised.

Then, there's the little matter of the now-defunct Warrior University, the wrestling school he opened in Phoenix, Arizona. That doesn't sound like someone who wanted out of the business to me.

On top of all of that, he changed his name from Jim Helwig to "Warrior"; If you worked for McDonalds and wanted to get away from that company and the fast-food industry, you don't get fired for violating company policy, legally change your name to "Quarter Pounder" or "Big Mac", and sue to be able to use the assumed name to make money for yourself.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 03, 2007, 06:08:05 AM
someone mentioned Lugers relationship w/ his family...I don;t know what that is but his son is 6'8" and plays NCAA basketball

I did. Luger's actions cost him his marriage and damaged the relationship with his kids (which he may or may not have fixed or reconciled). And, we know about the tragedy involving Miss Elizabeth.

Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on July 03, 2007, 06:17:54 AM
WTF, did dude spend his million$'$ on? ???

This is what The Beef wonders. Lex was making millions per year and was at the top of his game for a long time.

The Beef
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 03, 2007, 10:48:09 AM
This is what The Beef wonders. Lex was making millions per year and was at the top of his game for a long time.

The Beef

Taxes, legal fees (after brushes with the law), an extravagant lifestyle, and alimony/child support payments can wipe the millions away rather quickly. Plus, many multi-million dollar contracts only add up if the contract is completely fulfilled. If Luger got canned before that, he doesn't get the rest of the money.

One of Luger's biggest professional blunders occured in 1994. He was slated to win the WWF Championship at Wrestlemania X. But, shortly before the big event, Luger (while drunk) spilled the beans to reporters that he was winning the title. When the WWF brass heard about it, they quickly changed the plans and had Bret Hart (who, along with Luger, was the "co-winner" of the Royal Rumble, the match that determines who gets a title shot at WrestleMania; Luger and Hart were the last two men and they eliminated each other at the same time) win the championship, despite losing to his brother, Owen, earlier at WrestleMania.

It ain't that hard to squander millions of dollars in America.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: BayGBM on July 03, 2007, 11:16:02 AM
It ain't that hard to squander millions of dollars in America.

So true.  Ah well, there is always gay for pay.  :-\
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Parker on July 03, 2007, 11:59:11 AM
the only man to bodyslam 500 lb yokozuna 8)

he always claimed 4% bodyfat too :)

E

Ahmad did as well..On a US Carrier (I believe)
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 03, 2007, 12:49:07 PM
jim sued and won the rights to the name and character. vince finally lost one.

comparing jims situation to naming yourself  "big mac or quarter pounder"?

dude, go get therapy, you need it bad.

Dude, try reading and comprehending, before you make comments about others needing therapy. The context of my statement was a reply to claims of Warrior wanting to be out of the business, that business being pro wrestling.

If one wants to be out of pro wrestling altogether, you simply resign and stay away from wrestling. You don't open a wrestling school; you don't get fired for violating company policy, specifically not showing up at arenas where you've been advertised. You don't sue to use your wrestling character name (after you've legally changed your name to that character) to make a living. And, you don't, if getting away from wrestling were your top priority, sign with the rival company of your former employer (WCW).

The only thing that McMahon lost was exclusive rights to the Ultimate Warrior character. He can still use the Ultimate Warrior character, without paying Warrior one thin dime. (How do you think he made The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior DVD?). Conversely, Warrior can use the character without giving WWE any compensation.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Kwon on July 03, 2007, 02:20:32 PM
Good for him!

The Ultimate Warrior-character was great.

Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Wombat on July 04, 2007, 12:10:41 AM
He's 49 now.  Game over.  :(

And to think Kernal Sanders of KFC didn't start franchising KFC until he was in his late 60's :-\
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Kwon on July 04, 2007, 07:33:55 AM
And to think Kernal Sanders of KFC didn't start franchising KFC until he was in his late 60's :-\

Colonel.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Man of Steel on July 04, 2007, 08:02:19 AM
There are 3 running themes that end a pro wrestlers career:  one, they are so badly battered and bruised from years of in-ring work that they are forced to retire and have developed enough key relationships in the wrasslin biz that they can continue working developing new talent behind the scenes; two, they die in their 30s and 40s; three, they hit rock bottom, find a new path through God and leave the wrasslin biz forever.
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: BayGBM on July 04, 2007, 08:08:26 AM
There are 3 running themes that end a pro wrestlers career:  one, they are so badly battered and bruised from years of in-ring work that they are forced to retire and have developed enough key relationships in the wrasslin biz that they can continue working developing new talent behind the scenes; two, they die in their 30s and 40s; three, they hit rock bottom, find a new path through God and leave the wrasslin biz forever.


True.  Now, start a new thread and lay out the 3-5 ways for a bodybuilding career to end--if you dare!  :-\
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Man of Steel on July 04, 2007, 08:19:09 AM

True.  Now, start a new thread and lay out the 3-5 ways for a bodybuilding career to end--if you dare!  :-\

Reasons BB careers end:

1.)  Insides are shredded from years of chemical abuse.
2.)  Death
3.)  Find God
4.)  Have spent every penny they've ever earned/been given, never won a show and are left with doing personal training for $12/hr.
5.)  Parents/girlfriend/boyfriend won't give them anymore money to simply train/inject their lives away.

Of course we have a few successful bb examples, but those are the exceptions to the rule.   For every post listing 1 exception to the rule we could find a 100 conforming to what I listed above (and other reasons).
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 04, 2007, 07:31:22 PM
There are 3 running themes that end a pro wrestlers career:  one, they are so badly battered and bruised from years of in-ring work that they are forced to retire and have developed enough key relationships in the wrasslin biz that they can continue working developing new talent behind the scenes; two, they die in their 30s and 40s; three, they hit rock bottom, find a new path through God and leave the wrasslin biz forever.

I've heard something similar, from (you guessed it), "The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior"


It's a strange dichotomy, the former wrestling superstars once they leave the mainstream. Some of them go on speaking tours to talk about the evils of our business. Or they get religious. I don't think Warrior has gotten on the religious kick, yet. But, I hear he does do some speaking. I wouldn't mind attending one of his lectures. It would be interesting to see, at this stage of my life, if I can understand what he's talking about. - Jim Ross
 
It surprises me that he's speaking at colleges. Jesse Ventura, that doesn't surprise me; The Ultimate Warrior, that DOES surprise me - "Mean" Gene Okerlund


Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Wombat on July 05, 2007, 03:22:03 AM
Colonel.

thanks ;)
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: Option D on July 05, 2007, 08:35:08 AM
I've heard something similar, from (you guessed it), "The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior"


It's a strange dichotomy, the former wrestling superstars once they leave the mainstream. Some of them go on speaking tours to talk about the evils of our business. Or they get religious. I don't think Warrior has gotten on the religious kick, yet. But, I hear he does do some speaking. I wouldn't mind attending one of his lectures. It would be interesting to see, at this stage of my life, if I can understand what he's talking about. - Jim Ross
 
It surprises me that he's speaking at colleges. Jesse Ventura, that doesn't surprise me; The Ultimate Warrior, that DOES surprise me - "Mean" Gene Okerlund




He changed his name to Warrior...like a legal name change...LMAO...
Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 05, 2007, 08:57:29 AM
He changed his name to Warrior...like a legal name change...LMAO...

That's correct. He did that in 1993.

Warrior sued the then-WWF after he got fired (again) in 1996 for $6 million and the rights to the "Ultimate Warrior" name and character. From what I understand, part of the deal that got Warrior to return that year was that he got the rights to the character, which he could use outside the company. Warrior claimed that WWE (McMahon) wouldn't let him do it and was in breach of their deal. WWE's take was that Warrior having the rights to the character was based on his fulfilling his contract. Since McMahon axed Warrior for missing too many appearances, where he was advertised (citing the death of his father, after the fact), he felt the man, born Jim Helwig, didn't hold up his end of the deal. Therefore, he was not entiled to the "Ultimate Warrior".

Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: hifrommike on July 05, 2007, 12:07:29 PM
Fourth way for a pro wrestling career to end: you murder your wife & child, then hang yourself in the weight room. 

Title: Re: Lex Luger Then and Now
Post by: MCWAY on July 05, 2007, 12:35:03 PM
Reasons BB careers end:

1.)  Insides are shredded from years of chemical abuse.
2.)  Death
3.)  Find God
4.)  Have spent every penny they've ever earned/been given, never won a show and are left with doing personal training for $12/hr.
5.)  Parents/girlfriend/boyfriend won't give them anymore money to simply train/inject their lives away.

Of course we have a few successful bb examples, but those are the exceptions to the rule.   For every post listing 1 exception to the rule we could find a 100 conforming to what I listed above (and other reasons).

6) They compete for a few years and, possessing a decent education or other vocational skills, do something else for a living and are quite happy.

Besides, in other pro sports (notwithstanding all the debates as to whether or not bodybuilding shoudl be categorized as such), the average career of an athlete is short-lived, usually 4-6 years. If that's the case in football and basketball, why should we expect more longevity from pros in bodybuilding?