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Title: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Lift Studios on July 10, 2007, 10:42:15 AM
Now this is intensity.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/sean+sherk/video/x2he29_all-access-sean-sherk

Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Your MAAAAaaaa on July 10, 2007, 11:06:50 AM
thats fucking amazing!

He is a great fighter and thats explains some of it!


ta ta
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 10, 2007, 11:20:37 AM
is it more intense than milos training  ???
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Lift Studios on July 10, 2007, 11:23:18 AM
is it more intense than milos training  ???
Makes Milos' Training look like grade school P.E. Class.

 ;D
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Al-Gebra on July 10, 2007, 11:33:44 AM

the chick that was following him around was hot.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 10, 2007, 11:42:47 AM
great clip. at least he can say he did his homework when going into a fight
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Grundle on July 10, 2007, 11:50:05 AM
Sean Sherk will never lose a fight at 155.  The UFC will make him go back up to welterweight.  He is invincible at 155, its a joke to even try and put someone in the ring with him at that weight.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: MindSpin on July 10, 2007, 11:52:48 AM
Sean Sherk will never lose a fight at 155.  The UFC will make him go back up to welterweight.  He is invincible at 155, its a joke to even try and put someone in the ring with him at that weight.

He ate three knees in the last fight.  That's a big hole in his game.  I think BJ would be a handful for him at any weight including 155...

(http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get&w=550&cs=1&s=A85E56F2-1422-0E8C-9A341BEFD5EF27E8.jpg)
(http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get&w=550&cs=1&s=A85D7656-1422-0E8C-9A322126EF22E6D4.jpg)
(http://www.towerwebsites.com/photos/topfueldad2002/bloodbathFUnews.jpg)
...the guy is an animal though,
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Lift Studios on July 10, 2007, 12:00:07 PM
Penn vs Sherk is the fight to see. If anyone can exploit Sherk's flaws it will be Penn.

Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: spinnis on July 10, 2007, 12:52:07 PM
Boom baby

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/sean+sherk/video/xzudu_sean-sherk-hl
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Fury on July 10, 2007, 12:57:27 PM

Hello :o  Penn said he is never fighting at 155 again! >:(

Hello, Penn's fighting 155 now dipshit. The Pulver fight was at 155 and it was mentioned after last weekend's fights that Sherk is fighting Penn next.

I guess you should watch more TUF.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: spinnis on July 10, 2007, 12:57:59 PM
Is the ufc 73 fight uploaded anywhere? cant find it.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 10, 2007, 01:01:18 PM
Sean Sherk will never lose a fight at 155.  The UFC will make him go back up to welterweight.  He is invincible at 155, its a joke to even try and put someone in the ring with him at that weight.

I think a motivated Baby Jay Penn will wreck him. 
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: SquatAss on July 10, 2007, 01:13:45 PM

Hello :o  Penn said he is never fighting at 155 again! >:(

Yeah you know your stuff...
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: lilwoday09smb on July 10, 2007, 01:21:33 PM
bjj is shit when your strong and now how to scramble. wrestlers have and will always dominate the sport because of a hard work ethic and strength. even more in a real fight bjj is shit. the likely hood of getting caught in a arm bar or leg lock is very slim. maybe a choke. but in a street fight if caught in a choke grab some balls and twist or poke the eyes. the guy will let go. in a real fight anything goes.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 10, 2007, 01:24:18 PM
I think a motivated Baby Jay Penn will wreck him. 

bj will be slaughtered! and it will be beautiful!
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Special Ed on July 10, 2007, 01:31:42 PM
BJ rolls with guys who are 200+ lbs and routinely submits them. A 155 lb Sherk won't be anything he can't handle. BJ also has a granite chin. A 155 lb BJ is too fast and slick for Sherk. BJ will reverse him and put him out with a RNC, a la Matt Hughes.

Team Penn
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Lift Studios on July 10, 2007, 01:33:35 PM
Sherk's been working on his triple decker pecker wrecker. Watch out.

Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Danny on July 10, 2007, 02:23:40 PM
BJ rolls with guys who are 200+ lbs and routinely submits them. A 155 lb Sherk won't be anything he can't handle. BJ also has a granite chin. A 155 lb BJ is too fast and slick for Sherk. BJ will reverse him and put him out with a RNC, a la Matt Hughes.

Team Penn

Apparently that's not a problem either for Sherk.... ;D Some other guys would have been knocked the fuck out after one knee like that ...not to mention three.. :o :o
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 10, 2007, 03:19:34 PM
Yeah you know your stuff...

An uniformed jackass says what?

http://ufcmania.com/2007/07/09/dana-white-bj-penn-to-remain-at-lightweight-and-fight-for-title/
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 10, 2007, 03:22:29 PM
BJ rolls with guys who are 200+ lbs and routinely submits them. A 155 lb Sherk won't be anything he can't handle. BJ also has a granite chin. A 155 lb BJ is too fast and slick for Sherk. BJ will reverse him and put him out with a RNC, a la Matt Hughes.

Team Penn

Sherk has explosiveness, speed, mental toughness over Penn, thats it.  BJ has SICK wrestling, SICK BJJ, power in both hands, a granite chin.  BJ was killing GSP prior to gassing (GSP TKOed Sherk), RNCed Hughes once, and was killing him prior to the rib "injury."  Hughes won a lopsided UD against Sherk.  BJ on paper should beat Sherk, whether he shows up in the shape necessary to do so is another story.  I am hoping he does. 
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: MindSpin on July 10, 2007, 03:31:54 PM
Sherk has explosiveness, speed, mental toughness over Penn, thats it.  BJ has SICK wrestling, SICK BJJ, power in both hands, a granite chin.  BJ was killing GSP prior to gassing (GSP TKOed Sherk), RNCed Hughes once, and was killing him prior to the rib "injury."  Hughes won a lopsided UD against Sherk.  BJ on paper should beat Sherk, whether he shows up in the shape necessary to do so is another story.  I am hoping he does. 

If he wants it, BJ can take it from Sherk.  He would have to come in shape and finish it in the first two rounds.  Otherwise Sherk would probably neutralize BJ and win a decision...
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 10, 2007, 03:37:15 PM
If he wants it, BJ can take it from Sherk.  He would have to come in shape and finish it in the first two rounds.  Otherwise Sherk would probably neutralize BJ and win a decision...

100% correct.  I don't know how BJ would react if taken deep into a fight with someone like Sherk.  HE (BJ) is without doubt the most talented fighter on the planet.  No holes in his game.  Sick skills.  If he WANTS to, he can do anything. 
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: spinnis on July 10, 2007, 04:00:06 PM
HE (BJ) is without doubt the most talented fighter on the planet.  No holes in his game.  Sick skills.  If he WANTS to, he can do anything.

Fedor would make him cry for mommy in 10sec.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Fury on July 10, 2007, 04:02:05 PM
Fedor would make him cry for mommy in 10sec.

Maybe because Fedor outweighs him by 80 pounds?  ::)

Penn has more God given talent than Fedor.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: tweeter on July 10, 2007, 04:11:14 PM
He's not as hardcore as this guy was in the gym.

Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: spinnis on July 10, 2007, 04:53:02 PM
Maybe because Fedor outweighs him by 80 pounds?  ::)

Penn has more God given talent than Fedor.

IS DOESN`T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS!

and no he has not.

The best fighter in the world can take on ANYBODY IN ANY weightclass, and that my man is FEDOR
whopwhop!
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Fury on July 10, 2007, 04:56:02 PM
IS DOESN`T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS!

and no he has not.

The best fighter in the world can take on ANYBODY IN ANY weightclass, and that my man is FEDOR
whopwhop!

You're a moron. Let me guess, you just started watching Pride and think you know what you're talking about? At that level of skill, 80 or so pounds is going to make a huge difference.   ::)
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 10, 2007, 04:59:40 PM
no need to bring fedor into the argument

this god given talent, penn, lost 3 of his last 5 fights.

so much for his skills.  ::)
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Fury on July 10, 2007, 05:02:18 PM
no need to bring fedor into the argument

this god given talent, penn, lost 3 of his last 5 fights.

so much for his skills.  ::)

I never said he's the best. He's got some of the worst dedication in the world, which is usually the case with people with amazing natural ability.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: MindSpin on July 10, 2007, 05:02:45 PM
no need to bring fedor into the argument

this god given talent, penn, lost 3 of his last 5 fights.

so much for his skills.  ::)

like a lot of people who are born with exceptional talents, BJ gets lazy and doesn't prep properly.  In spite of that, he still managed to give St. Pierre & Hughes a run for their money.  Imagine a BJ Penn with Sherks' work ethic :o
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: spinnis on July 10, 2007, 05:04:50 PM
You're a moron. Let me guess, you just started watching Pride and think you know what you're talking about? At that level of skill, 80 or so pounds is going to make a huge difference.   ::)

no shit :O .

Compare Wins/loss

oh that´s right, Fedor havent lost!
He is a god amongs people
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Fury on July 10, 2007, 05:09:11 PM
like a lot of people who are born with exceptional talents, BJ gets lazy and doesn't prep properly.  In spite of that, he still managed to give St. Pierre & Hughes a run for their money.  Imagine a BJ Penn with Sherks' work ethic :o

He'd be the closest to invincible in the cage that one could probably be.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 10, 2007, 05:13:45 PM
and if shark had his talent he would be invincible etc.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: tleilaxutank on July 10, 2007, 07:20:28 PM
I think you guys are smokin' some of that sticky stuff...sherk is way too strong for penn...the ONLY submission benn would be able to get on sherk is a RNC...he is way too stubby and compact to get caught in an armbar, kimura etc.

Plus, I don't think penn wants it as bad..if you see how out of shape he got before the pulver fight you'll see what I mean...he's getting complacent and soft....the pulver rivalry woke him up out of that but I wonder if it was only temporary...
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: onlyme on July 10, 2007, 07:40:19 PM
Sean Sherk will never lose a fight at 155.  The UFC will make him go back up to welterweight.  He is invincible at 155, its a joke to even try and put someone in the ring with him at that weight.

He's fighting BJ in Nov.  so he will lose that one
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: onlyme on July 10, 2007, 07:41:07 PM

Hello :o  Penn said he is never fighting at 155 again! >:(

In Novemebr
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: onlyme on July 10, 2007, 07:43:26 PM
I think you guys are smokin' some of that sticky stuff...sherk is way too strong for penn...the ONLY submission benn would be able to get on sherk is a RNC...he is way too stubby and compact to get caught in an armbar, kimura etc.

Plus, I don't think penn wants it as bad..if you see how out of shape he got before the pulver fight you'll see what I mean...he's getting complacent and soft....the pulver rivalry woke him up out of that but I wonder if it was only temporary...

Wow a blind man making claims.  Good job.  BJ was in the best shape ever.  And strength won't do much in the ring with BJ.  Sherk won't last past the 2nd round in November with BJ
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Al-Gebra on July 10, 2007, 07:44:03 PM
He's fighting BJ in Nov.  so he will lose that one

You Hawaiians are as bad as Texans when it comes to hyping your own.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: onlyme on July 10, 2007, 07:51:22 PM
You Hawaiians are as bad as Texans when it comes to hyping your own.

Yea I guess you are right.  The only thing is I'm not Hawaiian.  I just know what BJ does and how he trains.  Sherk may be stronger than BJ but is not better than him in any ground or stand up (maybe close in standup)
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: OneManGang on July 10, 2007, 09:58:37 PM
BJ will lose on points. BJ's BJJ is not that much better than Francas...better but not worlds appart, and Franca had nothing  on Sherk on the ground other than the guilliotine attempt.

And please stop making excuses for BJ Penn...he could not be the "best ever" if he chose to train. He is a professional fighter and has been so for a decade. He is not the complete package and thats why he keeps losing fights
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Spicy Shushi on July 10, 2007, 11:45:51 PM
Congrats on proving that you know NOTHING about MMA. Penn's BJJ is worlds apart from Hermes. Nothing against him, but Hermes is like a Junior USA winner and Penn is like a Mr. Olympia when it comes to jits. That's how far apart they are.

Penn - Sherk will be a war and BJ has to get to him in the first 2-3 rounds or Sherk's cardio will take over. But remember one thing. BJ has routinely submitted guys who outweigh him by 40-50 pounds and will be much better prepared to handle Sherk's strength.

BJ will lose on points. BJ's BJJ is not that much better than Francas...better but not worlds appart, and Franca had nothing  on Sherk on the ground other than the guilliotine attempt.

And please stop making excuses for BJ Penn...he could not be the "best ever" if he chose to train. He is a professional fighter and has been so for a decade. He is not the complete package and thats why he keeps losing fights

Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 11, 2007, 01:53:22 AM
penn will lose. just the way he lost 3 outta his last 5 fights.
i bet you guys thought he would've won them too - turned out he didn't.

that will make his record even worse - 4 losses in 6 fights. go penn!  ::)
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: BigCypriate on July 11, 2007, 02:07:35 AM
hahaha lmao at all the queers in this thread  ::)
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 11, 2007, 03:31:28 AM
BJ will lose on points. BJ's BJJ is not that much better than Francas...better but not worlds appart, and Franca had nothing  on Sherk on the ground other than the guilliotine attempt.

And please stop making excuses for BJ Penn...he could not be the "best ever" if he chose to train. He is a professional fighter and has been so for a decade. He is not the complete package and thats why he keeps losing fights

Are you high?  BJ Penn is a MUNDIAL World champion.  He WAS NEVER SCORED UPON when he won the Mundials.  He has never had his guard passed in competition, whether it be BJJ, sub grappling, or MMA.  His jits is MUCH better than Hermes.  The only one comparable to his jits (prolly better because he focuses on it) is Marcelo Garcia.  He is the complete package, his motivation is what has killed him. 


Bluto, you claim to be such an MMA expert, want to be a moderator, did you did into the stats and actually watch any of those fights and loses.  BJ is 11-4-1.  His losses are to Matt Hughes (whom he was beating handily), GSP, Lyoto Machida (at 205 and this dude killed Ace Franklin, and I think has a chance to upset Shogun), Pulver (which he avenged). 

Lets see who he beat.  Matt Hughes (who beat Sherk by UD), he destroyed him on his feet, was killing him in the GNP and RNCed him for the win.  Matt Serra (UFC welterweight Champ), Caol Uno (destroyed in the first fight), Din Thomas (KTFO right after Din KOed Jens), Takanori Gomi (he punked him on his feet, and when he wanted to took him down and RNCed him) who at the time was considered the best P4P fighter, Bang Ludwig (made him look silly) right after Bang KOed Jens, Rodrigo Gracie (put on a clinic on an ADCC winner and successful Bushido fighter), he passed Rodrigos guard at will, got dominant position, Renzo Gracie, made Renzo's jits look normal, and Jens the former 155 champ. 

Like him or not, BJ's talent is evident.  When he wants to (Hughes1, Gomi, Ludwig, Thomas, Uno1) he is the best P4P fighter in the world.  When his training isn't the greatest, (Pulver1, Uno2, Serra, Machida, GSP) he is a talented fighter who can still finish the fight.  I know there is a lot of BJ hate here, but call a spade a spade.  Randy, and Matt both say his wrestling is out of this world.  When you see him toy with Charuto, you know his jits is sick.  Most people don't think his striking is that great, but he has HEAVY hands, and a helluva chin.  His wrestling is severely underated. 

IF BJ is motivated, he rolls over Sherk like he did Hughes.  If he isn't, he is in for a long night, and another UD loss. 
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: TheDoctor on July 11, 2007, 04:03:00 AM
is it more intense than milos training  ???
Thats what i was thinking im sure Sherk would keep up with one of Milos natural advanced student training easy.Could Milos follow Sherks training routines.Who knows
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 11, 2007, 04:26:39 AM
all im saying is that bj will lose against sherk.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Fury on July 11, 2007, 05:30:38 AM
all im saying is that bj will lose against sherk.

hahaha, you just got absolutely rocked by Americanbulldog, which isn't surprising. It's a good thing Chuteboxe has banned you from the MMA board, it's a lot better without your useless bullshit in there.  :D
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: OneManGang on July 11, 2007, 05:57:42 AM
BJ is not better before proven better. All the nonsense about "motivation" is not a proof of BJ's superiotity, but proof of unlimited nuthuggery by whorshippers here (the same people who also whorshipped the likes of Bruce Lee and Rickson Gracie).

BJ is not the champ in any organisation. He lost against GSP and he was TKO'ed against Hughes.....end of story. Come back with the "best P4P" whorship when BJ has won the title and defended it a dozen times.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 11, 2007, 07:14:12 AM
hahaha, you just got absolutely rocked by Americanbulldog, which isn't surprising. It's a good thing Chuteboxe has banned you from the MMA board, it's a lot better without your useless bullshit in there.  :D

huh? all he did was talk about his fights. i know it, ive seen them. there's nothing to comment on. who wants another 2 pages of you calling bj a prodigy? this isnt new and brings nothing to the table.

as for the mma board - it's shit. ufc 72 there wasnt a single thread discussing it - no predictions, no comments - nothing. the board turned useless. i got there on the day of the fight and was like "what the fuck?!" NOBODY discussing the fight of the evening! turns out nobody there, except me, gave a shit about UFC.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 11, 2007, 07:18:02 AM
BJ is not better before proven better. All the nonsense about "motivation" is not a proof of BJ's superiotity, but proof of unlimited nuthuggery by whorshippers here (the same people who also whorshipped the likes of Bruce Lee and Rickson Gracie).

BJ is not the champ in any organisation. He lost against GSP and he was TKO'ed against Hughes.....end of story. Come back with the "best P4P" whorship when BJ has won the title and defended it a dozen times.

exactly. all they keep crying about is how talented he is. bj can do this. bj can do that. well who GIVES A FUCK? guy has lost 3 outta his last 5 fights. that's a fact!

and this "prodigy"

prod·i·gy      /ˈprɒdɪdʒi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prod-i-jee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -gies.
1.   a person, esp. a child or young person, having extraordinary talent or ability

will be 30 next year!
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 11, 2007, 02:14:39 PM
BJ is not better before proven better. All the nonsense about "motivation" is not a proof of BJ's superiotity, but proof of unlimited nuthuggery by whorshippers here (the same people who also whorshipped the likes of Bruce Lee and Rickson Gracie).

BJ is not the champ in any organisation. He lost against GSP and he was TKO'ed against Hughes.....end of story. Come back with the "best P4P" whorship when BJ has won the title and defended it a dozen times.

Lets see, BJ won the Mundials (BJJ World Championship), won the UFC Welterweight title, won the K1 title (beating Bang).  NEVER HAD HIS GUARD PASSED IN MMA, BJJ OR SUB GRAPPLING (Hows that for proof of superior BJJ) and this was against a couple of world title holders and one ADCC champ.  Fought a 205 lber who is still undefeated and lost a close decision (he had Machida rocked at one point).  At this point he is 1-1 against Hughes, lost to GSP but beat Serra (current champ).  You can call objective reasoning as blind nuthuggery, but I call what you see as analysis as hate.  BTW, have you ever had the chance to roll with BJ?  Definitely an eye opener, and you will see, feel first hand why he is known as the prodigy. 
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 11, 2007, 02:18:31 PM
bj lost 3 outta his 5 last fights and is fit as a doughnut.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 11, 2007, 02:22:34 PM
bj will lose against sherk!  :)

but at least he's a prodigy right ?  ::)
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 11, 2007, 02:54:27 PM
^^^We'll see "doughboy." 
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 11, 2007, 03:33:55 PM
bj is the doughboy i cant wait to see how fit he will look compared to sherk haha i bet he will prepare for the fight at this place

(http://www.photo.net/philg/digiphotos/200102-e10-barcelona/dunkin-donuts-in-barcelona.half.jpg)

Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Voice of Doom on July 11, 2007, 03:43:28 PM
Ya...but the question remains...does anybody LIKE watching Sherk fight???  He makes Mark Kerr's and Ricardo Arona's  technique look exciting.  He's the king of lay and pray.  He's one dimensional and can't finish anyone...he's dominating his division because that division is weak, end of story.

And for the record I love Fedor, but he doesn't have enough competition.   He's like Tyson or Lewis never having that arch rival.  But he's young and someone might emerge.  I would like to see him fight Cro-Cop again if Mirko can get his head back together.

The best pound for pound fighter is Dan Henderson.  He's got the work ethic, wrestling, and knockout power.  He can move back and forth in weight and hold his own.  If you haven't seen his fight with Big Nog...check it out.  Regardless of the outcome he's the real deal.  And he's in a division with some depth on both sides of the Pacific.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 11, 2007, 03:48:18 PM
i kinda like watching a specimen like sherk but he does lack one more weapon in his toolbox as far as excitiment goes, its too bad he's not a natural ko puncher or something like that but i love his athleticism

henderson is great im considering going to england to watch him fight but the ringside tickets are sold out


Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 11, 2007, 04:28:14 PM
Ya...but the question remains...does anybody LIKE watching Sherk fight???  He makes Mark Kerr's and Ricardo Arona's  technique look exciting.  He's the king of lay and pray.  He's one dimensional and can't finish anyone...he's dominating his division because that division is weak, end of story.

And for the record I love Fedor, but he doesn't have enough competition.   He's like Tyson or Lewis never having that arch rival.  But he's young and someone might emerge.  I would like to see him fight Cro-Cop again if Mirko can get his head back together.

The best pound for pound fighter is Dan Henderson.  He's got the work ethic, wrestling, and knockout power.  He can move back and forth in weight and hold his own.  If you haven't seen his fight with Big Nog...check it out.  Regardless of the outcome he's the real deal.  And he's in a division with some depth on both sides of the Pacific.

Henderson is deceptively strong.  I am a full two inches taller, and outweighed him by 15 lbs, and he was shucking me like a ragdoll this past Sunday.  If any of you have a chance to attend a Dan Henderson seminar, I HIGHLY reccomend it.  His ground and pound method is fantastic, trapping one hand, hitting to open the guard, the hipping in to get an even more dominant position. 
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Fury on July 11, 2007, 04:40:38 PM
I actually enjoy watching Arona fight. If anyone knows anything about BJJ then watching his matches is like a free clinic. The guy's ground game is flawless. He can go crazy when he wants to. Not that I'd expect any of you TUF clowns to have seen Arona/Sakuraba, probably the most brutal beating in MMA history.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: onlyme on July 11, 2007, 07:07:40 PM
BJ is not better before proven better. All the nonsense about "motivation" is not a proof of BJ's superiotity, but proof of unlimited nuthuggery by whorshippers here (the same people who also whorshipped the likes of Bruce Lee and Rickson Gracie).

BJ is not the champ in any organisation. He lost against GSP and he was TKO'ed against Hughes.....end of story. Come back with the "best P4P" whorship when BJ has won the title and defended it a dozen times.

He beat the shit out of both guys.  Separated rib in Hughes fight at the end of the round and thats the only reason Hughes won and he knows it.  BJ was the World Champ and the only american to win the World Chamionships in BJJ in Brazil.  Sorry you lost your fight in this one.  And Sherk will end up the same way as Pulver.  Then BJ will go up in weight.  You must have forgot about BJ fighting in every weigth class up to heavyweight and doing quite well.  Nice try though
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: onlyme on July 11, 2007, 07:11:26 PM
bj will lose against sherk!  :)

but at least he's a prodigy right ?  ::)

hahaha lets put a mizly $100 on it.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 12, 2007, 12:02:48 AM
For all the BJ haters. 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2igtx_bj-penn
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 12, 2007, 02:43:20 AM
does sherk have the best chin in all mma? BOOM he ate knee after knee and kept on fighting!

what a warrior!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: OneManGang on July 12, 2007, 05:10:51 AM
LOL! The american poodle claims BJs guard has never been passed. Well when Hughes owned him I can't recall BJs legs embracing Hughes body. Hughes had him pinned and the "God" could not escape ;D

BJ is very good, but he has not done enough to be called the best P4P. Maybe he will one day, but he certainly has not showed enough yet.....*consistensy*..cough cough
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 12, 2007, 01:48:04 PM
(http://www.hero-s.com/06fightersinfo/06ha/04penn/img/ph_penn.jpg)
(http://www.nbcsports.com/2007/0108/803728.jpg)
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: MindSpin on July 12, 2007, 01:51:30 PM
(http://www.hero-s.com/06fightersinfo/06ha/04penn/img/ph_penn.jpg)
(http://www.nbcsports.com/2007/0108/803728.jpg)

What's your point ???
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 12, 2007, 01:59:43 PM
the point is that it's a chipmunk fighting a shark

(http://www.reggie.net/photos/canada/alberta/moraine_lake/1717184_chipmunk-600.jpg)

Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: MindSpin on July 12, 2007, 02:13:06 PM
the point is that it's a chipmunk fighting a shark

(http://www.reggie.net/photos/canada/alberta/moraine_lake/1717184_chipmunk-600.jpg)



oh...
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: onlyme on July 12, 2007, 02:31:03 PM
(http://www.hero-s.com/06fightersinfo/06ha/04penn/img/ph_penn.jpg)
(http://www.nbcsports.com/2007/0108/803728.jpg)

Bluto, you have to be kidding right.  BJ blows him away in every aspect of MMA except his body.  But that means nothing.  I think we understand your love for the male body but in MMA means nothing.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Grundle on July 12, 2007, 02:33:44 PM
BJ has zero discipline and the worst conditioning in MMA.  In a 5 round championship fight, all sherk has to do is get it to the 3rd or 4th and BJ will stall like an '82 Pinto.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: LurkyLurker on July 12, 2007, 02:43:05 PM
the point is that it's a chipmunk fighting a shark

(http://www.reggie.net/photos/canada/alberta/moraine_lake/1717184_chipmunk-600.jpg)



That's a squirrel.

These are chipmunks:
(http://www.freemac.net/files/chip_20n_20dale_201_106.jpg)
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 12, 2007, 03:16:11 PM
BJ has zero discipline and the worst conditioning in MMA.  In a 5 round championship fight, all sherk has to do is get it to the 3rd or 4th and BJ will stall like an '82 Pinto.

Not that I am a proponent of MMAth, but BJ RNCed Hughes who dominated Sherk at 170.  BJ was killing GSP until he gassed, who TKOed Sherk.  BJ has beaten Matt Serra (current UFC welterweight champ), schooled Rodrigo Gracie (ADCC champ) and Renzo on the ground.  You posted about stopping the bodybuilding theme and start more MMA oriented subject matter.  Last time I checked MMA has nothing to do with aesthetics.  (Fedor is the best heavyweight, and he looks like Baby Huey)
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: onlyme on July 12, 2007, 03:23:16 PM
LOL! The american poodle claims BJs guard has never been passed. Well when Hughes owned him I can't recall BJs legs embracing Hughes body. Hughes had him pinned and the "God" could not escape ;D

BJ is very good, but he has not done enough to be called the best P4P. Maybe he will one day, but he certainly has not showed enough yet.....*consistensy*..cough cough

hahaha Hughes only passed him cause he had 2 separated ribs.  Dude do some research before making a fool out of yourself again. 
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: onlyme on July 12, 2007, 03:27:25 PM
BJ has zero discipline and the worst conditioning in MMA.  In a 5 round championship fight, all sherk has to do is get it to the 3rd or 4th and BJ will stall like an '82 Pinto.

A couple things though.  He will never be able to last more than a couple rounds with BJ and BJ drives a Hummer and Sherk drives the pinto.  And don't under estimate BJ's conditioning.  I see him everyday training in the morning, late afternoon and sometime night too.  He runs between 5 and 8 miles a day and is down on the mat and ring for hours.  And he will be in even better shape for Sherk.  Unless you see him train and see what he does then really you have no basis to comment negatively on his conditioning now.  He barely broke a sweat against Pulver and had him from the first punch.  And was in control enough to let the arm bar go and triangle.  Sherk is going to be in for a very bad night.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 12, 2007, 03:54:02 PM
LOL! The american poodle claims BJs guard has never been passed. Well when Hughes owned him I can't recall BJs legs embracing Hughes body. Hughes had him pinned and the "God" could not escape ;D

BJ is very good, but he has not done enough to be called the best P4P. Maybe he will one day, but he certainly has not showed enough yet.....*consistensy*..cough cough

Well, if you actually did jiujitsu, you would know that when Hughes was in closed guard, BJ transisitoned to half guard and took his back.  (This is where BJ claims he hurt his ribs, believe him or not)  At this point, BJ almost finishes the fight.  Try rewatching the fight, BJ does not have his guard passed.  BTW OneManGangbang, there are several types of guard.  I myself prefer half, some guys like X, some guys like Dela Riva, some guys like butterflies, spider, etc.  Try training sometime, maybe you will get an appreciation for it.  But I digress, and this is a bodybuilding board, so I can't expect you to understand. 
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: OneManGang on July 13, 2007, 02:07:03 AM
Well, if you actually did jiujitsu, you would know that when Hughes was in closed guard, BJ transisitoned to half guard and took his back.  (This is where BJ claims he hurt his ribs, believe him or not)  At this point, BJ almost finishes the fight.  Try rewatching the fight, BJ does not have his guard passed.  BTW OneManGangbang, there are several types of guard.  I myself prefer half, some guys like X, some guys like Dela Riva, some guys like butterflies, spider, etc.  Try training sometime, maybe you will get an appreciation for it.  But I digress, and this is a bodybuilding board, so I can't expect you to understand. 

I am a judo guy. I don't need the guard! I am always on top ;D

By the way, it is pointless to discuss with a fanatic like you. If BJ loses against Sherk, it with be extremely interesting to hear what excuse comes out of the BJ camp that his whorshippers will spread on the internet. That said I would not bet on the fight. I think Sherk will win on points, even though it may go the other way. I am not a Sherk fanatic so I will easily admit that BJ has a very good chance...
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 13, 2007, 02:09:56 AM
I am a judo guy. I don't need the guard! I am always on top ;D

By the way, it is pointless to discuss with a fanatic like you. If BJ loses against Sherk, it with be extremely interesting to hear what excuse comes out of the BJ camp that his whorshippers will spread on the internet. That said I would not bet on the fight. I think Sherk will win on points, even though it may go the other way. I am not a Sherk fanatic so I will easily admit that BJ has a very good chance...

Uchimata is your friend, then. 
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: OneManGang on July 13, 2007, 02:27:35 AM
Uchimata is your friend, then. 

I have a blue belt in bjj and I must admit it is much more fun to train. I don't train competitive judo any more. Its too taxing on the body on the body now..
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: americanbulldog on July 13, 2007, 03:36:09 AM
I have a blue belt in bjj and I must admit it is much more fun to train. I don't train competitive judo any more. Its too taxing on the body on the body now..

I wasn't a BJ fan myself until I met him at a seminar he did.  HE IS AMAZING from both top, bottom.  He moves seamlessly from position to position, is attacking constantly.  I felt 6-8 moves behind rolling with him even though I outweighed him by 20 pounds.  He toyed with anyone who chose to roll with him, and his balance is UNREAL.  I think that you would feel the same way if you got on the mat with him.  Are you planning on going to the Mundials in LB? 
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: onlyme on July 13, 2007, 03:51:10 AM
BJ's dad was a champion in Judo I think.  I know he competed and I think I heard he was really good.  I even admit that Sherk physically blows BJ out of the water.  But skill wise I don't think it's close.  BJ commands his weight class.  He did very well going all the up to 205 also.  He has a great group of guys training with him.  That Kid Yamamoto who was here this week had a blast training with BJ.  We will be working on his strength for this next fight.  His endurance and conditioning will never be an issue again. 
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: MindSpin on July 13, 2007, 08:59:19 AM
BJ's dad was a champion in Judo I think.  I know he competed and I think I heard he was really good.  I even admit that Sherk physically blows BJ out of the water.  But skill wise I don't think it's close.  BJ commands his weight class.  He did very well going all the up to 205 also.  He has a great group of guys training with him.  That Kid Yamamoto who was here this week had a blast training with BJ.  We will be working on his strength for this next fight.  His endurance and conditioning will never be an issue again. 

what exactly is your involvement with BJ?
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 13, 2007, 09:15:28 AM
I am a judo guy. I don't need the guard! I am always on top ;D

By the way, it is pointless to discuss with a fanatic like you. If WHEN BJ loses against Sherk, it with be extremely interesting to hear what excuse comes out of the BJ camp that his whorshippers will spread on the internet. That said I would not bet on the fight. I think Sherk will win on points, even though it may go the other way. I am not a Sherk fanatic so I will easily admit that BJ has a very good chance...

fixed
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 13, 2007, 09:16:21 AM
what exactly is your involvement with BJ?

he's just obsessed with anything hawaiin thats all

Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: IceCold on July 13, 2007, 10:08:59 AM
he's just obsessed with anything hawaiin thats all




exactly.

its like if anything or anyone is from hawaii, keith acts like he has a personal involvment with them.

basically, he's stating that he watches BJ train everyday all day.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: onlyme on July 13, 2007, 01:58:41 PM
he's just obsessed with anything hawaiin thats all



I work for his brother and parents.  I have known his mom since the early 90'.  I am at his gym 3 days a week, when I drive to the other side of the island.  And I have helped get him a couple sponsor deals which one of them hopefully will make him a few million in residuals the first year.  You'll see evidence of it in about 4,000 Walmart's come Sept.  And yes I do like to support Hawaii.  I have lived in some of the best place in the US and I love Hawaii the most.  Sorry.  But it's hard to beat.
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: onlyme on July 13, 2007, 01:59:34 PM

exactly.

its like if anything or anyone is from hawaii, keith acts like he has a personal involvment with them.

basically, he's stating that he watches BJ train everyday all day.

Hey it is what it is.  I can't help it that people want me involved.  If you need any help just ask
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: James Blunt on July 13, 2007, 07:03:09 PM
(http://www.hero-s.com/06fightersinfo/06ha/04penn/img/ph_penn.jpg)
(http://www.nbcsports.com/2007/0108/803728.jpg)
Fedor has the sae soft build  ;D
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: benchthis on July 13, 2007, 07:16:24 PM
he stays dope boi dope boi freshhhh yeaaaaahhhhhh
Title: Re: The Muscle Shark Training
Post by: Bluto on July 14, 2007, 01:39:45 AM
Fedor has the sae soft build  ;D

nah fedor got more muscle. and fedor rarely fight more than one round. we're talking 5x5 here against sherk. thats 25 minutes.